I know that you want a single pigment, but I love Daniel Smith Undersea Green, yes it is a blend of French Ultramarine and Quinacridone Gold, but I feel it deserves a mention, you can use it in almost every area that greens are used. Many would say just mix it your self but I value consistency and I have a great starting mix that I could change if I want to.
I don't know if I have properly expressed this before but I really adore your channel. Your informative videos are set up in a logical and comprehensive way and are so very useful to anyone with an interest in watercolors. Your recordings are crisp and steady and always at a good angle. Your voice is pleasant to listen to and easy to understand and your paintings are an absolute delight to watch. Thank you very much for all your hard work. :)
I´ve used White Nights ”Green” for over 40 years and its my absolute favourite green (PG8). I don’t understand why people say it’s not lightfast. I have two watercolour paintings that has been on the wall for more than 35 years and I can’t see any changes. Even in the parts where its pure PG8 and no mixes.
Kent Söderström I had a painting I made that had it and it faded. Though, I do live in southeast Texas. The intensity and amount of sun may have something to do with it?
UV light is usually the culprit of pigment degradation, so if it is kept inside and away from windows all or most of its life, the color will last considerably longer
Interesting. I love the color and the mixes, and I just checked my Rosa Gallery sets. They all have "Green" P.G. 8 pans. The price of the 24 set in a cardboard box dropped to $13 recently, so I bought a couple for me and a couple for gifts... I also picked up a couple of the modern sets of 21 because some extra colors and the beautiful tin has an extra empty row for additional pans. They were $23. It was a bit of a splurge... but I'm not sorry, and now I feel Vindicated 😌 ❤
Favorite greens, that's a very hard one. While I love greens, I don't use them that often... (???) I love Undersea Green (my tube is an old one with po49!!) and cobalt green. The Primatek greens are all lovely as well :)
I honestly would have been happy with Top 3 here tbh. Those are the only ones I'm deeply confident about, but each is lovely in its own right! I still haven't used cobalt green, but I'm not sure I'd use it much.
that perylene green! I always find myself mixing gray greens and the perylene is the perfect shade. And it's even so flexible with the amount of shades you can create with mixing. PS the "primateks are garbage for mixing" bit made me giggle so much. It's a shame too because that serpentine green is gorgeous
Hahah I'm glad you liked it! I always get nervous giving such strong opinions, but I had to say it. They may be okay for landscape mixing, but for my subjects (animal portraits), they're pretty useless in that regard. Still BEAUTIFUL lovely colors on their own though!
Serpentine and Green Apatite are useful for landscapes and botanicals where you want a green that isn't flat. I did a quick urban sketch in Rome with lots of trees and I just just straight Green Apatite for the leaves and I got a green with lots of different tonal qualities so it looked more lively. They have their uses.
Lovely lovely review (episode?). I always find surprising though how uncommon Phtalo Green YS (PG36) is. Every one automatically goes for PG7 and discusses how useful it is for mixing, but then talks about how they prefer warmer greens. If you check out different brands color charts you'll see that many of the convenience mixes they offer that everyone loves are actually made with PG36. It makes the most stunning green golds, and I definitely like the Sap Greens made with PG36 better. Warmer, more vibrant and lively. Maybe give it try with the paint from Daniel Smith's dot chart (if there's any left Haha!), and tell me what you think. I often look at brands brochures to see which pigments they use most often in their convenience mixed and find new extremely useful colors for mixing that way. That how I added PY150, PG36 and PBr25 to my palette (I was so happy to see you've discovered PBr25 as well. Isn't it useful??) I'm considering experimenting with the raw umber version of PBr7 as well. I found it in many mixes I liked, mainly earthy reds and purples, greens, and dulled down moody blues. I also like Daniel Smith's PG23 hue, which is a very grey green, but didn't add it to my palatte in the end, as I don't like the texture of the granulation it makes. Would love to find another version of it with Similar hue, but not many brands carry it unfortunately, So I use watered down Perylene Green instead, but try to avoid doing that when I can due to it's staining properties. Schmincke's Cobalt dark green (PG26) is stunning as well, at least on it's own, and it has a gorgeous granulation pattern. I Don't know how it fairs in mixes, as I only made a swatch using the paint from their dot chart. I decided not to get it as it's a little on the opaque side, and the granulation, though stunning, is not very suitable for my uses. Trying to be economically smart here! Sheesh, that was long. If you're still here - kudos to you!
Thanks for your contributions to the discussion! I know PG36 is a very common color in convenience greens, but I've never like the hue on its own, so I never ended up picking up a tube. I do have a generous dot from mission gold I've been meaning to play with but I just haven't gotten around to it. PG7 does make my very favorite version of sap green with quin gold, and I LOVE the dark moody cool colors it makes, so that's why it's on my list :)
Hey I found a lightfast replacement for the White Nights 'green'. I actually like it better. It is 4 part mix. Phalo green M. Graham, + cad yellow M.Graham, Mayan blue genuine Daniel Smith ( not the darker Mayan blue) and a little M.Graham's hooker green. It is gorgeous! Give it a try. I wish I could send you a picture of my swatches. I have the White Nights version side by side and I really prefer the tedious 4 part mix. Thank you! And mayan blue Really gives it a moood! Beautiful. And yes it is a primatek color.
Love this video, Denise...in my research of greens to add to a first palette, it's putting some pieces together for me and just exploding my understanding of the potential of mixing, so grateful. In this research journey, I found a green that looks very much like your beloved DS Sap Green - it's Roman Szmal Hooker's Green. A few days ago, I took a screen shot of a swatch of RS Hooker's Green and blew it up. While watching your video, I put it side-by-side with DS Sap Green, and it seems amazingly close. The screen shot came from a review of "favorite Roman Szmal" colors on another channel. I may be ordering the RS color, and will bookmark your video to come back to if I end up getting it. Who knows if the color comparison will hold up when done in this way--but it sure has me curious!
Great informative video as usual. One of my favorite greens in addition to those you reviewed is Undersea Green from Daniel Smith. It can be as dark as Perylene Green but warmer leaning toward olive green. Like Perylene Green it works from very dark to very light.
Very nice. I just picked up the secondary set from Daniel Smith, but I haven't watched them yet! The price dropped to $27, which is a pretty good price per tube. I'm trying to get a good selection of fine watercolors.❤ so far I feel good.😂
I messed up on the Number 2 and 3 I had them switched! Oh well I guess there is room for improvement for everyone eh? Lovely green video and Thanks for your Own Green from DaVinci Paints! I could be the consummate flatterer and say Denise's Green is my favorite . . Hee Hee! Have a lovely day!
Interesting tidbit about the primatek colors not mixing well~ On another wonderful watercolor channel, I’ve seen them mixed and they don’t look muddy (to me anyway) 🤔 I wonder why there are different results in mixing? Do the pigments used change by batch, perhaps? I ordered a few of those greens and so when they come in I’m going to experiment as well. I do hope that they mix alright but if not they are still beautiful colors on their own, as you pointed out, so I’m glad to have them either way ☺️
I so appreciate the detail you give us in your Top 5 videos. I learn so much from you! I was intrigued by the three green primatek paints, so I ordered the "Mineral Marvels" dot card set, which allowed me to sample every Primatek color Daniel Smith offers. It was the perfect thing to assuage my curiosity, only now I do really need to buy a tube of Green Apatite Genuine, not as much for its color in particular (although I do love the color), but for the way it dances across the paper when I paint wet-on-wet. It's one of those colors that "paints itself" once you let it onto the page.
Yay! I agree with all your color choices. They all look gorgeous (even though green is not my favorite colour). I'm gonna have to track down that White Night PG8 and the DS Perylene Green. Thanks for introducing them to me.
Hi Denise, great video. My favs greens, straight from the tube are Perylene green (I have W&N) and Sap green (I have Lukas one but it's too bright. I bought the W&N but I didn't try yet). If you have the chance, try to mix Payne's Gray and Green Gold. I absolutely love the green that comes out! My green gold is from Daler Rowney and it's on the green side. Thanks for this video :)
I always learn something from these vids - usually I learn I need to buy something. :^) One green Primatek that _will_ mix is Diopside. My first green, I got it cuz I was balking at the out-of-the-tube hue of PG7, and found Diop. a little more 'paletteable', pun intended. But now I've gotta have me some perylene...
I can't pick just one between green apatite gen and undersea green. It's just impossible. I can also never leave out perylene green no matter what. And then pthalo green YS is my go-to bright green. So I end up having 4 greens in an 18-color palette. Paring it down to 12 is too stressful that I don't even think about it haha
Another great video I’ve used these a lot to plan future colors, that I don’t need, to fatten up my palette lol my fav green is the Daniel Smith jadeite genuine I don’t reach for green much but when I do it’s that one! Do you know how does the schmincke Quin gold hue match up to the old ds one? Honestly you talk about Quin gold so much, I probably don’t have use for it but it makes me want to try it myself lol 😂
Haha :) Don't let me be an enabler if you wont really use them! I have only seen Schmincke's version on a dot card, so I cannot really give an informed decision. However, Eve has a video where she compares the different versions: ua-cam.com/video/wlBmDH-RroI/v-deo.html Hopefully that one is helpful!
Totally with you on the sap green :) Thanks for all your colour mix vids ... very useful, informative and stimulating ! Going to have a play with mine later.
great choice. I have green apatite and find it mixes ok. At the moment I have too many greens on my palette and with remove a lot of them as I find myself mixing my own more. You have however persuaded me to keep a pthalo green on there even though it is PG36 rather than 7. I Have PG129 by old hollland it is also more green than qors.
Phthalo Green BS is a shocker, I never would have guessed, but I see what you mean! I love hearing animals in vids, makes it real :) Hi Cricket! Sap Green was a surprise also, but it is of course arguably the most popular green in the watercolor world. Have to have it in there by default :) Nice vid!
Malamik Art I just wish every sap green was that beautiful! So many of them are flat and lifeless 😢 I guess it has been a while since Cricket made an appearance! I'll see what I can do about that :p
Thank you so much for these color studies. All I have so far is the daniel smith starter set, but I treated myself to 14 colors, most of which I saw in your videos. Thanks a bunch!
I agree for the most part on the Primateks, though I think they're a bit more versatile than you give them credit for. My favorite mixes with green apatite are when you add a small amount to vermilion or M. Graham's Indian yellow. I've also separated the bright green from the granulating particles and painted with that to good effect. The particles react strongly to a magnet, which eases the process quite a bit. I'm glad you mentioned green gold, and there I 100% agree. I'm currently using it as my cool yellow, replacing lemon yellow, and I love it. The mixes might not have as high of a value, but I'll actually paint with straight green gold. I can't remember a painting of mine where I've used straight lemon yellow. I do use the Winsor & Newton version, which is very much a gold first, green second, but I feel my point would stand even if I had the slightly greener versions from other brands.
Thanks so much for you additions to the discussion. As always, I am always affected by my own painting style and medium. I LOVE the primatek colors for adding textures to backgrounds, but I paint 95% animal portraits and in those cases, they're pretty useless for mixing as I mentioned ;) I definitely wanted to nod to PY129 because it's so popular, but I just didn't find a place for it here. I got rid of PY3 a while ago but happily keep DS's lemon yellow with PY175. I do find it much more useful :)
Im kind of sad. have you TRIED mixing green app gen? it makes a perfect fall green with quin gold, also makes a nice pine green with phthalo blue. and holy granulation batman with lapiz lazuli! it does make mud a lot but it also makes wonderful mixes with the right color and you never know what thats going to be till you do it. thats one color i would mix with every blue, green, yellow, and gold color i own to see the super interesting surprises. Personally after all the craziness in the last colors favs, im just glad that every color featured is actually a green! 😂😂😂😉
@Inliquidcolor has a great video on adding glycerin or honey to paints to make them easier to rewet. I did that with the Lapis Lazuli and will do it with all my primateks and ultramarines from now on. It has really helped me.
I have 3 greens on my pallet and so very rarely use them. Daniel Smith's Green gold is more green than the one you show. It's gorgeous, though like the other greens, I don't use them much.
white night’s PG8 is my favorite shade of green! I was actually looking for higher end brands with the same pigment then you said it is unique in watercolor world! oh my
Hi Denise, I’m looooooving this series!!!! I am shocked that you haven’t mentioned Viridian - even as an honourable mention - as it is such a versatile green, the diverse, greens that can be obtained are quite amazing especially for their clarity and even though on its own Viridian looks very unnatural, when mixed with other single pigment colours it makes the MOST natural clear/clean looking greens...
Hi Magdalena, are you referring to a "Viridian" that is made from PG7? That is the same as phthalo green blue shade :) True viridian is a heavily granulating, softer version of that color.
Hi Denise, thanks for replying - the only Viridian I know is PG18 - I use both Winsor Newton & Schmincke Viridians - and it looks nothing like the phthalo green(blue shade) that I have, which is a Winsor Newton.
Interesting! I'm always intrigued by the way different people describe different colors. To me, as someone who uses phthalo green (blue shade) all the time viridian feels very earthy :) as for why I don't use it, it dries too hard for my liking and I tend to prefer strong tinting colors, but it's a nice color :)
I wrestle with myself on the white nights PG8 because it is absolutely my favourite green and it haunts me that it might feed if I use it in anything that’s really not a sketchbook painting. There is nothing like it although I do use jadeite as often as possible in replacement of it, but still the way it really wet and dances across the page is so much fun to paint with. I just don’t even care.
I use Dr Ph Hydrus Sap green and I love it!. Have you tried it? And mixes very well with other colours. It isn’t a tube colour but liquid. It doesn’t reconstitute very well however so I leave it in the bottle.
If this was hard for the greens, I can't imagine on the earth tones! I guessed your top 3! But in a differente order, having the phthalo green 3rd and the perlyne green 2nd! My favorite green is Mission gold's olive green such a lovely convinience mixture. Try mixing phthalo green with PBr25, the result is a lovely really deep dark green almost like perlyne green but with that glow of the phthalo green!
Daniel Morales 😍 I'll try that!! Sounds so pretty. Earth tones would be way too hard so I'm going to call it browns :) I already did yellow ochre, quin gold, and quin burnt orange in other videos so that helps!
Hello Denise! i love this series so far and i have a suggestion for you to try if you want :3 please try to mix pg7 with dioxazine violet, it makes a beautiful blueish colour that resembles a dark turquoise
Karpa Koi oh yes it's very lovely :) I believe that combo has been featured in several other videos. It was hard to choose the limited number of colors to mix for each video! 💜
Don't have a lot of experience with greens. But phthalo green BS is AMAZING. I love it mixed with basically anything. Only green I've bought so far and don't really want to branch out!
I'm not a green person lol. I enjoy painting landscapes and so i use only sap green 😂 I usually mix my own green from indian yellow and Prussian blue!❤️
Very nice overview, thanks :) as far as the quin gold goes, try mix of py150 and pr101 (transp red iron oxide) together. Especially the py150 has that "luminosity" in undertone that might be what you are looking for for mixing the sap green you long for. As for pg8 from white nights, it's spot on :D have it, would love it, but due to lightfastness I'm intending to use it only for monochrome value doodles in the sketchbook. It can be mixed with pb27 (prussian blue) and Py 150. Those two are epic for mixing greens that aren't screaming, but have luminous, glowing undertone!
Ahhhh! I cannot wait to get my hands on the White Nights version. I can only imagine how gorgeous those combos will be! I reproduce my work too so even if I can't sell an original, I'd love to be able to enjoy the color in my prints!
In Liquid Color I hope you will enjoy it ^.^ it goes from truly almost black to awesome yellowish(er) green, having insane value scale (sun) I'm running on white nights myself as they are most affordable in middle Europe locally, but slowly switching to DS as I rip through them (blush) sadly DS is super expensive here, but who cares; it's not like I'm going to fly through those that fast, the 15ml tubes are huuuuuge! (or I hope so XD) If you would be having issues getting your hands on the White nights, let me know. Maybe we can figure something out ^.^
I pretty much only use the Phthalogreens PG7+PG36 for mixing greens. Aside from that I find PG23 (DS calls it Bohemian Green Earth) really useful for dulling down bright colours. PG8 from White Nights is sitting in my palette looking pretty, as you've said, but I never use it :D
Thanks so much for the input! I know that PG36 is a GREAT mixing color and used in many convenient mixes, but somehow I've never really gotten my hands on any. I have a small dot here and there from charts that have been sent to me, but not enough to really dig into. I don't like the color on its own, so way back when I started, naive opinionated Denise never added it to the collection 😂
I got it right, not the most difficult guess either haha! That handmade green looks gorgeous! I have been curious about Daniel Smiths’ mineral pigment paints. Are all of them terrible in mixing or just those three?
I just personally don't like the way they look. Several of the primateks I've tried do this, but I don't have much experience with them outside the greens so I really can't say.
LOL, I love the PrimaTek greens and find they mix just as well as any other sap or olive type greens with the exception of PG7 & PG36 which are the best mixing greens of all .
You probably already know this by now, but the PG8 is listed as Green (Russian) on my Yarka or St. Petersburg pan. FYI. They are the artist grade of White nights. Same pigments, no fillers is my understanding. Light fastness is also only listed as III (on a scale of I-III) or fair. But I agree that it is a beautiful color. Don’t know if this helps🙂
I have the Sonnet Green Deep made with PG8, and it comes up as a more rich and vibrant Perylene Green (comparing to Daniel Smith's version of Perylene Green). So I'm not sure if the White Nights has a difference to it. I haven't had it for very long, so I have yet to do a lot of mixing with it. But I think I am going to enjoy using it, as it looks really great out of the pan.
Thanks Ellen! I think they'd be the same, but regardless, I agree! it's so dreamy. If nothing else, I can always use it for work I want to reproduce even if I can't sell an original due to light fastness issues.
all (except PG7, in my top 5 would be replaced with PG50) pigments are mine beloved greens too! PY129 got from sennelier, winsor&newton and van gogh, all are nice bright and clearly on a green side of the spectrum. I am desperate of PO49 death, but DS quinacridone gold mix of PY150+PO48 is best available quina gold replacement so far anyway, shinning bright and clear, great for mixing.
Thank you so much for this comment! I use PG8 quite alot and am always confused when people call it not lightfast as my paintings with it havnt faded at all! That explains alot! Thank you so much!
The reason the "mineral pigments" don't mix with other paints is because they're multi-pigment paints where we don't know the mix. If you grind up rocks, you typically don't get any tinting strength at all, so DS secretly augments those paints with pigment mixes (see World Watercolor Month for evidence of this). Jadeite Genuine is Phthalo Blue (GS) with Raw Amber and probably a little of a teal for that underlying bluish color. And knowing that, you can easily mix Jadeite.
The lighfastness thing is very odd actually. They rate it at 2/3 which they call 'normal lighfastness', but they have PG7 and PV19 pigments rated 2/3 as well, and these are known to be very lighfast pigments, so - very odd. I would definitely do my own lightfastness test if I needed to use it in artwork that needs to be very archival. Shin Han have 2 single pigment versions of PG8 by the way. Sap Green and Hookers Green. The Sap Green is the warmer more vibrant version (according to their color chart). That is the one I have in my collection, and I adore it :) I got it at my local art store, but Jackson's offers it at a decent price as well. Just be Careful to look at the PWC range. They have other ranges that are not professional artist grade, and they made it pretty confusing :)
i found a perfect mix for sap green without the original quin gold! nickel azo yellow + white night’s pg8! it’s so richly beautiful can you try it out and see if it’s comparable to DS’ original sap green?
Have you tried the sap green from Turner? I really like it. If you don't have it, I can send you a glop. Turner was the first professional watercolor I tried. Since then, I have added other brands to my collection. I, and find myself an M. Graham fan. I also just got a set of the ShinHan PWC. Jury is still out on them. If you don't have them, I am willing to share them too.
Isnt that the emerald green in white nights? You can make awesome mixes with that, i love that color. I know your 1. Sap green by ds. I have not found my favorite yet
I like the QOR Cobalt Green PG26 because of the strong granulation. I find PG7 along with PR254 can mix very neutral gray (looks like pencil) as well as very dark gray.
I know you said it was hard for you, but I guessed those top three in that order. You like what you like! Your love of the original sap green is so adorable. I want to get my hands on the blue shade of pthalo green. I have the yellow shade and it's alright but I like your mixes a bit better better. It makes a lovely sap green with Quin gold though, and that's all that matters, right? 😂 I have greens on my palette but I often just end up mixing my own from my blues and yellows.
I'm glad you know me so well :D PG36 is one that I know mixes well, its in a ton of tube greens, but I just never got around to adding it to my collection. I too end up mixing a lot of my actual greens for paintings, so definitely a tough one!
Actually I have a PY 129 from Sennelier and it looks to be a little more greeny than the Qor you featured at the end. I don't use it overly much for mixing, but I love the shade a lot and often use it on it's own. And I wanted to ask you how you found the PG 8 from White Nights? I was thinking about ordering a pan from Jacksons. Lightfast test passed? Also thank you for all your hard work, I learn so much about paint and pigments from your channel, you're a wonderous well of wonderful pigment info..
PG8 is my favorite green and I am still searching for a good alternative since PG8 is absolutely not lightfast (kimberly crick & handprint ) and it seems it is also not completely stable (handprint says that). If anyone knows a good lightfast replacement/ convenience mixture that is equally dark in mass tone this would be really helpful. Schmincke’s green olive is also made from PG8.
I researched for ages and got White Nights as my first palette (and am now supplimenting gradually with Daniel Smith) and I absolutely love it, especially for a first in-between professional and student grade palette. Though some of the colors could use a little more pigment (the cobalt blue comes to mind) the green works beautifully for me, especially for pine trees which I enjoy painting. Not sure on it's light fastness, i've yet to test it and am eager to see your results!!
Thanks for sharing Alec! I've wanted that particular color for the past two years or so, so it's definitely not an impulse buy. I've heard that it is NOT lightfast at all in tints, but that full strength in masstone holds up well *crosses fingers*
Do you have D.S. green apatite genuine? It would be nice to see how it mixes compared with original sap green and new sap green. I bought it because Jane Blundell recommended it as an alternate to sap green on her site in "Building Your Palette of Colours."
BTW... What did you think of the Lukas Verona Green Earth (PG26) that I sent you? I'm thinking of getting Da Vinci Perylene Green (PBk31) or Daniel Smith Rare Green Earth (PG23) but wonder if they would be too similar to the Lukas one.
bastet469 oh shoot!! That would have been great to play with for this video!! It's a beautiful color. I'm so sorry. It's hard to keep track of all the dot cards on top of my palette. I'll play with it some more and let you know! As for the comparison, DSs rare green earth ok my dot card is much grayer. Perylene green is MUCH different than ether. If you can message me on FB, Instagram, or email I'll send you a pic
PG8 on the list is unexpected. I got mine from my White Nights pallette and instantly in love with it. However am not sure how it compares to yours; would love to hear about it!
I can't wait to compare the two! If anything I think that WN is a little bit richer from what I've seen, but I'm not entirely sure. They should be here soon (I hope!) Shipping is taking forever.
I’m trying to decide between PG 7 - Phthalo Green Blue Shade in Daniel Smith and MGraham. Any thoughts. You reviewed the Daniel Smith. I love MGrahams but somewhere got the impression that their greens aren’t as vivid? Thank you. I love your videos.
Hi Dawn, I just haven't used MGraham's. MGraham's colors are super vivid in general, so I don't think pththalo green would be any different :) The two brands handle differently of course since MGraham contains honey, but whichever one you prefer or is more affordable is the one I'd go with.
I agree with you on Quincacridone Gold and the way it mixes greens. It's unbeatable. I also agree with the Primateks. I think they're gorgeous, but the granulation on them gets weird. Green Apatite esp looks dirty in a lot of mixes. My have to have greens right now are Pthalo Green BS, Rich Green Gold and Perelyne Green. All three are incredible mixers. Rich Green Gold with reds or violets gives you instant skin tone.
Indeed! Rich Green Gold from DS is the same as the Green Gold in this video. I loved the tones I got (and showed at the end) but it just didn't feel green to me.
My personal favorite green is Phtalo green (PG7) or a very shocking gay yellowish green! also Perylene Green that is the exact opposite from the shocking green LOL
Aaaarrrggghhhh! So frustrating. Everybody talks about how bad Primateks mix but nobody's willing to show it on camera. Is the resulting mix vomit inducing or something? It would be so nice if you could do a quick instagram vid that allowed us to see the problem for ourselves. Who knows? Maybe someone out there is looking to induce vomiting with his art. Lol
I treat them just like a regular color. and just like a regular color it makes some nice mixes and some not so nice mixes. I only have two apetite green genuine (which i always mix, it goes great with quin gold or phthalo blue.) and lapiz lazuli which granulates out of control with green appetite genuine. I would like to get more but i have to see.
it is a dark muted very opaque and lightfast green. it is a strage colour to work with because it's so opaque but i creates very nice effects. i hope it helps ^^'
I love chromium oxide green. Its an evergreen must have for me and I find it adjusts easily. The opacity isnt a concern for me and it does layer nicely.
Dont take this the wrong way because i love your videos but if a color is discontinued why keep it on a list if there is no chance of being reserrected, then accept it and either work to find a close replacement or find another favorite instead of talking about something from the past you will never see again.
Matt W. Might be because if it is seen by those who've yet to see it, her showing them might allow us to mix a substitute. I appreciate that. Besides, although she might not be able to find someone who has old stocks of PO 49, someone else might know.
@@farmwife7944 And how is that different from never hearing about the colors? I can make a list of yellows we both probably have not heard anything about that would fill this page, but why think your palette is lacking? There are more lightfast, stable yellows available at one time now than ever before in painting history. A few companies make a lot of extinct pigments available and there are recipes for making your own pigments. Part of being an artist is learning about the pigments we use. Matt W.'s comment sounds like sour grapes to me. And indicative of a lack of curiosity.
@@farmwife7944 No curiosity? PO 49 IS available, but not as a watercolor. Denise Sodens provides us with a valuable resource in her videos. But here are people who excoriate her for providing information on a valued and beautiful pigment. I would far rather hear about the possibilities, see the actual colors in actual usage, then make up my own mind about whether or not to buy the quin gold substitutes offered by art suppliers or mix my own. I'd love to see a video from someone who is knowledgeable about interesting extinct pigments (A few videos like that ARE here on UA-cam.) and gives me the opportunity to explore what is really a vast realm of possibilities and materials. Something that gives me a starting point. Denise, in my opinion, is providing a valuable service here, along with Dr. Oto Kano, Teoh, and Soulkeever. There are others, but there are also lots of tutorials by people who don't know much of anything about their chosen materials and disseminate trash into the ears and eyes of unwary beginners. When I asked about curiosity, I was not joking around. To me, an artist who exhibits no curiosity is not an artist. Are you an artist? Then ask questions. I am not a monster. I don't bite.
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I am here to pay my respects to DS’s Original Sap Green
I know that you want a single pigment, but I love Daniel Smith Undersea Green, yes it is a blend of French Ultramarine and Quinacridone Gold, but I feel it deserves a mention, you can use it in almost every area that greens are used. Many would say just mix it your self but I value consistency and I have a great starting mix that I could change if I want to.
I don't know if I have properly expressed this before but I really adore your channel. Your informative videos are set up in a logical and comprehensive way and are so very useful to anyone with an interest in watercolors. Your recordings are crisp and steady and always at a good angle. Your voice is pleasant to listen to and easy to understand and your paintings are an absolute delight to watch. Thank you very much for all your hard work. :)
Chilly Studios I agree 🤗
I´ve used White Nights ”Green” for over 40 years and its my absolute favourite green (PG8). I don’t understand why people say it’s not lightfast. I have two watercolour paintings that has been on the wall for more than 35 years and I can’t see any changes. Even in the parts where its pure PG8 and no mixes.
Kent Söderström I had a painting I made that had it and it faded. Though, I do live in southeast Texas. The intensity and amount of sun may have something to do with it?
UV light is usually the culprit of pigment degradation, so if it is kept inside and away from windows all or most of its life, the color will last considerably longer
I love that green !
Interesting. I love the color and the mixes, and I just checked my Rosa Gallery sets. They all have "Green" P.G. 8 pans. The price of the 24 set in a cardboard box dropped to $13 recently, so I bought a couple for me and a couple for gifts... I also picked up a couple of the modern sets of 21 because some extra colors and the beautiful tin has an extra empty row for additional pans. They were $23. It was a bit of a splurge... but I'm not sorry, and now I feel Vindicated 😌 ❤
I have been experimenting, and you can get a pretty close to your favorite sap green with using pg7 and Aussie Red Gold.
Favorite greens, that's a very hard one. While I love greens, I don't use them that often... (???) I love Undersea Green (my tube is an old one with po49!!) and cobalt green. The Primatek greens are all lovely as well :)
I honestly would have been happy with Top 3 here tbh. Those are the only ones I'm deeply confident about, but each is lovely in its own right! I still haven't used cobalt green, but I'm not sure I'd use it much.
I use new formula Undersea Green and I'm surprised how useful it is. It looks nice when charged with Quin Rose.
that perylene green! I always find myself mixing gray greens and the perylene is the perfect shade. And it's even so flexible with the amount of shades you can create with mixing.
PS the "primateks are garbage for mixing" bit made me giggle so much. It's a shame too because that serpentine green is gorgeous
Hahah I'm glad you liked it! I always get nervous giving such strong opinions, but I had to say it. They may be okay for landscape mixing, but for my subjects (animal portraits), they're pretty useless in that regard. Still BEAUTIFUL lovely colors on their own though!
Serpentine and Green Apatite are useful for landscapes and botanicals where you want a green that isn't flat. I did a quick urban sketch in Rome with lots of trees and I just just straight Green Apatite for the leaves and I got a green with lots of different tonal qualities so it looked more lively. They have their uses.
Thanks for the video, my favorite green is M Graham sap green. I’m really enjoying your top five color series. 💞💫
Lovely lovely review (episode?).
I always find surprising though how uncommon Phtalo Green YS (PG36) is.
Every one automatically goes for PG7 and discusses how useful it is for mixing, but then talks about how they prefer warmer greens. If you check out different brands color charts you'll see that many of the convenience mixes they offer that everyone loves are actually made with PG36. It makes the most stunning green golds, and I definitely like the Sap Greens made with PG36 better. Warmer, more vibrant and lively. Maybe give it try with the paint from Daniel Smith's dot chart (if there's any left Haha!), and tell me what you think.
I often look at brands brochures to see which pigments they use most often in their convenience mixed and find new extremely useful colors for mixing that way. That how I added PY150, PG36 and PBr25 to my palette (I was so happy to see you've discovered PBr25 as well. Isn't it useful??) I'm considering experimenting with the raw umber version of PBr7 as well. I found it in many mixes I liked, mainly earthy reds and purples, greens, and dulled down moody blues.
I also like Daniel Smith's PG23 hue, which is a very grey green, but didn't add it to my palatte in the end, as I don't like the texture of the granulation it makes. Would love to find another version of it with Similar hue, but not many brands carry it unfortunately, So I use watered down Perylene Green instead, but try to avoid doing that when I can due to it's staining properties.
Schmincke's Cobalt dark green (PG26) is stunning as well, at least on it's own, and it has a gorgeous granulation pattern. I Don't know how it fairs in mixes, as I only made a swatch using the paint from their dot chart. I decided not to get it as it's a little on the opaque side, and the granulation, though stunning, is not very suitable for my uses. Trying to be economically smart here!
Sheesh, that was long. If you're still here - kudos to you!
Thanks for your contributions to the discussion! I know PG36 is a very common color in convenience greens, but I've never like the hue on its own, so I never ended up picking up a tube. I do have a generous dot from mission gold I've been meaning to play with but I just haven't gotten around to it. PG7 does make my very favorite version of sap green with quin gold, and I LOVE the dark moody cool colors it makes, so that's why it's on my list :)
Hey I found a lightfast replacement for the White Nights 'green'. I actually like it better. It is 4 part mix. Phalo green M. Graham, + cad yellow M.Graham, Mayan blue genuine Daniel Smith ( not the darker Mayan blue) and a little M.Graham's hooker green. It is gorgeous! Give it a try. I wish I could send you a picture of my swatches. I have the White Nights version side by side and I really prefer the tedious 4 part mix. Thank you! And mayan blue Really gives it a moood! Beautiful. And yes it is a primatek color.
Love this video, Denise...in my research of greens to add to a first palette, it's putting some pieces together for me and just exploding my understanding of the potential of mixing, so grateful. In this research journey, I found a green that looks very much like your beloved DS Sap Green - it's Roman Szmal Hooker's Green.
A few days ago, I took a screen shot of a swatch of RS Hooker's Green and blew it up. While watching your video, I put it side-by-side with DS Sap Green, and it seems amazingly close. The screen shot came from a review of "favorite Roman Szmal" colors on another channel. I may be ordering the RS color, and will bookmark your video to come back to if I end up getting it. Who knows if the color comparison will hold up when done in this way--but it sure has me curious!
Great informative video as usual. One of my favorite greens in addition to those you reviewed is Undersea Green from Daniel Smith. It can be as dark as Perylene Green but warmer leaning toward olive green. Like Perylene Green it works from very dark to very light.
Very nice. I just picked up the secondary set from Daniel Smith, but I haven't watched them yet! The price dropped to $27, which is a pretty good price per tube. I'm trying to get a good selection of fine watercolors.❤ so far I feel good.😂
I messed up on the Number 2 and 3 I had them switched! Oh well I guess there is room for improvement for everyone eh? Lovely green video and Thanks for your Own Green from DaVinci Paints! I could be the consummate flatterer and say Denise's Green is my favorite . . Hee Hee! Have a lovely day!
Interesting tidbit about the primatek colors not mixing well~ On another wonderful watercolor channel, I’ve seen them mixed and they don’t look muddy (to me anyway) 🤔 I wonder why there are different results in mixing? Do the pigments used change by batch, perhaps? I ordered a few of those greens and so when they come in I’m going to experiment as well. I do hope that they mix alright but if not they are still beautiful colors on their own, as you pointed out, so I’m glad to have them either way ☺️
I so appreciate the detail you give us in your Top 5 videos. I learn so much from you!
I was intrigued by the three green primatek paints, so I ordered the "Mineral Marvels" dot card set, which allowed me to sample every Primatek color Daniel Smith offers. It was the perfect thing to assuage my curiosity, only now I do really need to buy a tube of Green Apatite Genuine, not as much for its color in particular (although I do love the color), but for the way it dances across the paper when I paint wet-on-wet. It's one of those colors that "paints itself" once you let it onto the page.
Yay! I agree with all your color choices. They all look gorgeous (even though green is not my favorite colour).
I'm gonna have to track down that White Night PG8 and the DS Perylene Green. Thanks for introducing them to me.
Well, I did guess your top two 😁, cuz I'm an InLiquidColor junkie and probably need my own help line! 😅
Hi Denise, great video. My favs greens, straight from the tube are Perylene green (I have W&N) and Sap green (I have Lukas one but it's too bright. I bought the W&N but I didn't try yet). If you have the chance, try to mix Payne's Gray and Green Gold. I absolutely love the green that comes out! My green gold is from Daler Rowney and it's on the green side. Thanks for this video :)
Beautiful selection, Denise! I have made my mix of PO49 and PG7 and keep it in my palette, because of you.
I always learn something from these vids - usually I learn I need to buy something. :^)
One green Primatek that _will_ mix is Diopside. My first green, I got it cuz I was balking at the out-of-the-tube hue of PG7, and found Diop. a little more 'paletteable', pun intended.
But now I've gotta have me some perylene...
Love your top three greens and I need them all!
I can't pick just one between green apatite gen and undersea green. It's just impossible. I can also never leave out perylene green no matter what. And then pthalo green YS is my go-to bright green. So I end up having 4 greens in an 18-color palette. Paring it down to 12 is too stressful that I don't even think about it haha
Another great video I’ve used these a lot to plan future colors, that I don’t need, to fatten up my palette lol my fav green is the Daniel Smith jadeite genuine I don’t reach for green much but when I do it’s that one! Do you know how does the schmincke Quin gold hue match up to the old ds one? Honestly you talk about Quin gold so much, I probably don’t have use for it but it makes me want to try it myself lol 😂
Haha :) Don't let me be an enabler if you wont really use them! I have only seen Schmincke's version on a dot card, so I cannot really give an informed decision. However, Eve has a video where she compares the different versions: ua-cam.com/video/wlBmDH-RroI/v-deo.html Hopefully that one is helpful!
Totally with you on the sap green :) Thanks for all your colour mix vids ... very useful, informative and stimulating ! Going to have a play with mine later.
Thanks Helene!
great choice. I have green apatite and find it mixes ok. At the moment I have too many greens on my palette and with remove a lot of them as I find myself mixing my own more. You have however persuaded me to keep a pthalo green on there even though it is PG36 rather than 7. I Have PG129 by old hollland it is also more green than qors.
Thanks Dan! I appreciate the input to the discussion :)
These look beautiful. I also enjoy natural greens that don't look artificial! Thank you for sharing! :)
Phthalo Green BS is a shocker, I never would have guessed, but I see what you mean! I love hearing animals in vids, makes it real :) Hi Cricket! Sap Green was a surprise also, but it is of course arguably the most popular green in the watercolor world. Have to have it in there by default :) Nice vid!
Malamik Art I just wish every sap green was that beautiful! So many of them are flat and lifeless 😢 I guess it has been a while since Cricket made an appearance! I'll see what I can do about that :p
Thank you so much for these color studies. All I have so far is the daniel smith starter set, but I treated myself to 14 colors, most of which I saw in your videos. Thanks a bunch!
I agree for the most part on the Primateks, though I think they're a bit more versatile than you give them credit for. My favorite mixes with green apatite are when you add a small amount to vermilion or M. Graham's Indian yellow. I've also separated the bright green from the granulating particles and painted with that to good effect. The particles react strongly to a magnet, which eases the process quite a bit.
I'm glad you mentioned green gold, and there I 100% agree. I'm currently using it as my cool yellow, replacing lemon yellow, and I love it. The mixes might not have as high of a value, but I'll actually paint with straight green gold. I can't remember a painting of mine where I've used straight lemon yellow. I do use the Winsor & Newton version, which is very much a gold first, green second, but I feel my point would stand even if I had the slightly greener versions from other brands.
Thanks so much for you additions to the discussion. As always, I am always affected by my own painting style and medium. I LOVE the primatek colors for adding textures to backgrounds, but I paint 95% animal portraits and in those cases, they're pretty useless for mixing as I mentioned ;) I definitely wanted to nod to PY129 because it's so popular, but I just didn't find a place for it here. I got rid of PY3 a while ago but happily keep DS's lemon yellow with PY175. I do find it much more useful :)
Im kind of sad. have you TRIED mixing green app gen? it makes a perfect fall green with quin gold, also makes a nice pine green with phthalo blue. and holy granulation batman with lapiz lazuli! it does make mud a lot but it also makes wonderful mixes with the right color and you never know what thats going to be till you do it. thats one color i would mix with every blue, green, yellow, and gold color i own to see the super interesting surprises.
Personally after all the craziness in the last colors favs, im just glad that every color featured is actually a green! 😂😂😂😉
@Inliquidcolor has a great video on adding glycerin or honey to paints to make them easier to rewet. I did that with the Lapis Lazuli and will do it with all my primateks and ultramarines from now on. It has really helped me.
I have the DS samples, and it has those 3 Primatek greens, so looking forward to trying them out.
I hope you like them!
Great video Denise. Have you tried Sennelier Olive Green? It's beautiful and similar to a sap green color.
Fun! I love the AJ Green Gold which is much greener, but my most used "green" is Prussian Blue.
I have 3 greens on my pallet and so very rarely use them. Daniel Smith's Green gold is more green than the one you show. It's gorgeous, though like the other greens, I don't use them much.
white night’s PG8 is my favorite shade of green! I was actually looking for higher end brands with the same pigment then you said it is unique in watercolor world! oh my
Some handmade companies use it, and I think I've seen it pop up once or twice since then!
Perplexed green is a MUST HAVE!
Renesans has the PG8 pigment in a pan but not a tube. They call it Hooker's Green. I think I might order one...
Hi Denise, I’m looooooving this series!!!! I am shocked that you haven’t mentioned Viridian - even as an honourable mention - as it is such a versatile green, the diverse, greens that can be obtained are quite amazing especially for their clarity and even though on its own Viridian looks very unnatural, when mixed with other single pigment colours it makes the MOST natural clear/clean looking greens...
Hi Magdalena, are you referring to a "Viridian" that is made from PG7? That is the same as phthalo green blue shade :) True viridian is a heavily granulating, softer version of that color.
Hi Denise, thanks for replying - the only Viridian I know is PG18 - I use both Winsor Newton & Schmincke Viridians - and it looks nothing like the phthalo green(blue shade) that I have, which is a Winsor Newton.
Interesting! I'm always intrigued by the way different people describe different colors. To me, as someone who uses phthalo green (blue shade) all the time viridian feels very earthy :) as for why I don't use it, it dries too hard for my liking and I tend to prefer strong tinting colors, but it's a nice color :)
I wrestle with myself on the white nights PG8 because it is absolutely my favourite green and it haunts me that it might feed if I use it in anything that’s really not a sketchbook painting. There is nothing like it although I do use jadeite as often as possible in replacement of it, but still the way it really wet and dances across the page is so much fun to paint with. I just don’t even care.
I use Dr Ph Hydrus Sap green and I love it!. Have you tried it? And mixes very well with other colours. It isn’t a tube colour but liquid. It doesn’t reconstitute very well however so I leave it in the bottle.
If this was hard for the greens, I can't imagine on the earth tones! I guessed your top 3! But in a differente order, having the phthalo green 3rd and the perlyne green 2nd! My favorite green is Mission gold's olive green such a lovely convinience mixture. Try mixing phthalo green with PBr25, the result is a lovely really deep dark green almost like perlyne green but with that glow of the phthalo green!
Daniel Morales 😍 I'll try that!! Sounds so pretty. Earth tones would be way too hard so I'm going to call it browns :) I already did yellow ochre, quin gold, and quin burnt orange in other videos so that helps!
In Liquid Color That was actually really clever:) good luck in your convention btw!
Hi, about PG8, there is also Rosa Gallery from Ukraine that offer this green.
Hello Denise! i love this series so far and i have a suggestion for you to try if you want :3 please try to mix pg7 with dioxazine violet, it makes a beautiful blueish colour that resembles a dark turquoise
Karpa Koi oh yes it's very lovely :) I believe that combo has been featured in several other videos. It was hard to choose the limited number of colors to mix for each video! 💜
Don't have a lot of experience with greens. But phthalo green BS is AMAZING. I love it mixed with basically anything. Only green I've bought so far and don't really want to branch out!
I'm not a green person lol. I enjoy painting landscapes and so i use only sap green 😂 I usually mix my own green from indian yellow and Prussian blue!❤️
Very nice overview, thanks :) as far as the quin gold goes, try mix of py150 and pr101 (transp red iron oxide) together. Especially the py150 has that "luminosity" in undertone that might be what you are looking for for mixing the sap green you long for.
As for pg8 from white nights, it's spot on :D have it, would love it, but due to lightfastness I'm intending to use it only for monochrome value doodles in the sketchbook. It can be mixed with pb27 (prussian blue) and Py 150. Those two are epic for mixing greens that aren't screaming, but have luminous, glowing undertone!
Ahhhh! I cannot wait to get my hands on the White Nights version. I can only imagine how gorgeous those combos will be! I reproduce my work too so even if I can't sell an original, I'd love to be able to enjoy the color in my prints!
In Liquid Color I hope you will enjoy it ^.^ it goes from truly almost black to awesome yellowish(er) green, having insane value scale (sun)
I'm running on white nights myself as they are most affordable in middle Europe locally, but slowly switching to DS as I rip through them (blush) sadly DS is super expensive here, but who cares; it's not like I'm going to fly through those that fast, the 15ml tubes are huuuuuge! (or I hope so XD)
If you would be having issues getting your hands on the White nights, let me know. Maybe we can figure something out ^.^
I pretty much only use the Phthalogreens PG7+PG36 for mixing greens. Aside from that I find PG23 (DS calls it Bohemian Green Earth) really useful for dulling down bright colours. PG8 from White Nights is sitting in my palette looking pretty, as you've said, but I never use it :D
Thanks so much for the input! I know that PG36 is a GREAT mixing color and used in many convenient mixes, but somehow I've never really gotten my hands on any. I have a small dot here and there from charts that have been sent to me, but not enough to really dig into. I don't like the color on its own, so way back when I started, naive opinionated Denise never added it to the collection 😂
I got it right, not the most difficult guess either haha! That handmade green looks gorgeous! I have been curious about Daniel Smiths’ mineral pigment paints. Are all of them terrible in mixing or just those three?
I just personally don't like the way they look. Several of the primateks I've tried do this, but I don't have much experience with them outside the greens so I really can't say.
there is a channel, Ota may be her name, she does comparisons and uses the primateks and they make some great colors.
LOL, I love the PrimaTek greens and find they mix just as well as any other sap or olive type greens with the exception of PG7 & PG36 which are the best mixing greens of all .
You probably already know this by now, but the PG8 is listed as Green (Russian) on my Yarka or St. Petersburg pan. FYI. They are the artist grade of White nights. Same pigments, no fillers is my understanding. Light fastness is also only listed as III (on a scale of I-III) or fair. But I agree that it is a beautiful color. Don’t know if this helps🙂
Yep! I have that one now. I did six months on the Pfeiffer one and no fading at all. Testing the WN one now.
I have the Sonnet Green Deep made with PG8, and it comes up as a more rich and vibrant Perylene Green (comparing to Daniel Smith's version of Perylene Green). So I'm not sure if the White Nights has a difference to it. I haven't had it for very long, so I have yet to do a lot of mixing with it. But I think I am going to enjoy using it, as it looks really great out of the pan.
Thanks Ellen! I think they'd be the same, but regardless, I agree! it's so dreamy. If nothing else, I can always use it for work I want to reproduce even if I can't sell an original due to light fastness issues.
all (except PG7, in my top 5 would be replaced with PG50) pigments are mine beloved greens too! PY129 got from sennelier, winsor&newton and van gogh, all are nice bright and clearly on a green side of the spectrum. I am desperate of PO49 death, but DS quinacridone gold mix of PY150+PO48 is best available quina gold replacement so far anyway, shinning bright and clear, great for mixing.
hahaha sap green the work horse of all greens LOL, i light phthalo green lt. love the jadeite green
I’ve found the Roman Szmal Sap Green to be pretty comparable. Gorgeous and affordable watercolour.
PG8 is the original Hooker's Green. Handprint says it fades when dilute but holds up when used full strength.
That's what I've found as well. Looking forward to get my hands on it myself. If nothing else, I can always use it for work I intend to reproduce!
Great series thank you !
PG8 green is available through Shin Han PWC
Thank you so much for this comment! I use PG8 quite alot and am always confused when people call it not lightfast as my paintings with it havnt faded at all! That explains alot! Thank you so much!
PG8 is my absolut fave green. Many east-european watercolour companies have this PG8.
The reason the "mineral pigments" don't mix with other paints is because they're multi-pigment paints where we don't know the mix. If you grind up rocks, you typically don't get any tinting strength at all, so DS secretly augments those paints with pigment mixes (see World Watercolor Month for evidence of this). Jadeite Genuine is Phthalo Blue (GS) with Raw Amber and probably a little of a teal for that underlying bluish color. And knowing that, you can easily mix Jadeite.
Sure would be great if they'd provide that information to avoid confusion 👍
If I had to pick one green it would be PG17, Chromium Oxide Green. My must have trio is PG17, PG 23 Green Earth and PBk31 Perylene Green.
Oo that makes my heart happy to hear! PG17 doesn't get a ton of love.
Shin han offers PG8 commercially in their artist's WC range in 15ml tubes actually. It's named Sap Green and quite gorgeous :)
Oh, thank you for sharing! I've not heard that before. How's the lightfastness on it?
The lighfastness thing is very odd actually. They rate it at 2/3 which they call 'normal lighfastness', but they have PG7 and PV19 pigments rated 2/3 as well, and these are known to be very lighfast pigments, so - very odd. I would definitely do my own lightfastness test if I needed to use it in artwork that needs to be very archival. Shin Han have 2 single pigment versions of PG8 by the way. Sap Green and Hookers Green. The Sap Green is the warmer more vibrant version (according to their color chart). That is the one I have in my collection, and I adore it :) I got it at my local art store, but Jackson's offers it at a decent price as well. Just be Careful to look at the PWC range. They have other ranges that are not professional artist grade, and they made it pretty confusing :)
Cobalt green (pg50 Ys) has a beautiful shade and is granulating... So maybe I would personally place it in my own top 5
Thanks Ricardo! You're not a lone, lots of people saying they love that color! I myself haven't used it before.
i found a perfect mix for sap green without the original quin gold! nickel azo yellow + white night’s pg8! it’s so richly beautiful can you try it out and see if it’s comparable to DS’ original sap green?
I got the top three just got Perylene Green and Phthalo Green BS mixed up! :)
Honestly, I would have been perfectly happy just doing a Top 3 here! They're the only one's I'm really passionate about.
Have you tried the sap green from Turner? I really like it. If you don't have it, I can send you a glop. Turner was the first professional watercolor I tried. Since then, I have added other brands to my collection. I, and find myself an M. Graham fan. I also just got a set of the ShinHan PWC. Jury is still out on them. If you don't have them, I am willing to share them too.
Isnt that the emerald green in white nights? You can make awesome mixes with that, i love that color. I know your 1. Sap green by ds. I have not found my favorite yet
Damnit.. i hate you now , do find that replacement,lol
Emerald green from them is phthalo green. Their PG8 is just called Green :D
I normally would not use it on its own but this green from them is sooo pretty
I like the QOR Cobalt Green PG26 because of the strong granulation. I find PG7 along with PR254 can mix very neutral gray (looks like pencil) as well as very dark gray.
I love that grey as well!!
Prussian green is also nice, it dries brighter than perylene and mixes well.
I know you said it was hard for you, but I guessed those top three in that order. You like what you like! Your love of the original sap green is so adorable. I want to get my hands on the blue shade of pthalo green. I have the yellow shade and it's alright but I like your mixes a bit better better. It makes a lovely sap green with Quin gold though, and that's all that matters, right? 😂 I have greens on my palette but I often just end up mixing my own from my blues and yellows.
I'm glad you know me so well :D PG36 is one that I know mixes well, its in a ton of tube greens, but I just never got around to adding it to my collection. I too end up mixing a lot of my actual greens for paintings, so definitely a tough one!
Actually I have a PY 129 from Sennelier and it looks to be a little more greeny than the Qor you featured at the end. I don't use it overly much for mixing, but I love the shade a lot and often use it on it's own.
And I wanted to ask you how you found the PG 8 from White Nights? I was thinking about ordering a pan from Jacksons. Lightfast test passed?
Also thank you for all your hard work, I learn so much about paint and pigments from your channel, you're a wonderous well of wonderful pigment info..
I'm still running my White Nights tests specifically but the PG8 from Pfeiffer had no change!
PG8 is my favorite green and I am still searching for a good alternative since PG8 is absolutely not lightfast (kimberly crick & handprint ) and it seems it is also not completely stable (handprint says that). If anyone knows a good lightfast replacement/ convenience mixture that is equally dark in mass tone this would be really helpful.
Schmincke’s green olive is also made from PG8.
Utrecht Watercolors (Dick Blick's) has a Hooker's Green made of PG8. Very nice color.
I researched for ages and got White Nights as my first palette (and am now supplimenting gradually with Daniel Smith) and I absolutely love it, especially for a first in-between professional and student grade palette. Though some of the colors could use a little more pigment (the cobalt blue comes to mind) the green works beautifully for me, especially for pine trees which I enjoy painting. Not sure on it's light fastness, i've yet to test it and am eager to see your results!!
Thanks for sharing Alec! I've wanted that particular color for the past two years or so, so it's definitely not an impulse buy. I've heard that it is NOT lightfast at all in tints, but that full strength in masstone holds up well *crosses fingers*
Shinhan PWC has two versions of PG8 if my notes are correct.
Hi, have you ever tried the sap green (18) or earth green (20) of Pebeo? 😉
Do you have D.S. green apatite genuine? It would be nice to see how it mixes compared with original sap green and new sap green. I bought it because Jane Blundell recommended it as an alternate to sap green on her site in "Building Your Palette of Colours."
Shinhan PWC uses PG8 for their Hookers green and Sap green...:)
Did you ever end up being able to find anymore of DS original Sap green??
Awesome video
BTW... What did you think of the Lukas Verona Green Earth (PG26) that I sent you? I'm thinking of getting Da Vinci Perylene Green (PBk31) or Daniel Smith Rare Green Earth (PG23) but wonder if they would be too similar to the Lukas one.
bastet469 oh shoot!! That would have been great to play with for this video!! It's a beautiful color. I'm so sorry. It's hard to keep track of all the dot cards on top of my palette. I'll play with it some more and let you know! As for the comparison, DSs rare green earth ok my dot card is much grayer. Perylene green is MUCH different than ether. If you can message me on FB, Instagram, or email I'll send you a pic
Hi, what can you tell me about Viridian? Thx
PG8 on the list is unexpected. I got mine from my White Nights pallette and instantly in love with it. However am not sure how it compares to yours; would love to hear about it!
I can't wait to compare the two! If anything I think that WN is a little bit richer from what I've seen, but I'm not entirely sure. They should be here soon (I hope!) Shipping is taking forever.
Sap green always😘😘❤️❤️❤️
"I promise, it's 100% the mineral in Green Apetite."
2021: this didn't age well :(
*oof*
That's exactly what I was thinking 😅 Oops!
Pthalo green 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Phthalo Green Blue Shade and Carmine make a purple....? Hmmm. That was really unexpected. Am I seeing that right? How does that make purple?
I just bought PY129 from Lukas 1862. It is not that yellow and mixes a lovely shade of green (similar to sap green) with PB16 (also from Lukas).
Christina Grandrath that sounds lovely!
I’m trying to decide between PG 7 - Phthalo Green Blue Shade in Daniel Smith and MGraham. Any thoughts. You reviewed the Daniel Smith. I love MGrahams but somewhere got the impression that their greens aren’t as vivid? Thank you. I love your videos.
Hi Dawn, I just haven't used MGraham's. MGraham's colors are super vivid in general, so I don't think pththalo green would be any different :) The two brands handle differently of course since MGraham contains honey, but whichever one you prefer or is more affordable is the one I'd go with.
6:19 well.....this might have aged kinda poorly. The rest of the video still holds up incredible though! love going back and watching these videos c:
That gave me a laugh... Thanks for pointing that out! Hahah.
I agree with you on Quincacridone Gold and the way it mixes greens. It's unbeatable. I also agree with the Primateks. I think they're gorgeous, but the granulation on them gets weird. Green Apatite esp looks dirty in a lot of mixes. My have to have greens right now are Pthalo Green BS, Rich Green Gold and Perelyne Green. All three are incredible mixers. Rich Green Gold with reds or violets gives you instant skin tone.
Indeed! Rich Green Gold from DS is the same as the Green Gold in this video. I loved the tones I got (and showed at the end) but it just didn't feel green to me.
Why did DS stop making quinacrinone gold and sap green ?
My personal favorite green is Phtalo green (PG7) or a very shocking gay yellowish green! also Perylene Green that is the exact opposite from the shocking green LOL
Matheus Ferreira yes pthalo green 😍🎨💚
Tody Green Dark is by white nights (it is called green)
Emerald Green is Phthalocyanine Green (BS)
Shinhan sap green uses pg8.
awesome
Utrecht's Hookers Green is Pure PG8.
Hi! Buy the new Sap green with Daniel Smith check Teoh Yi Chie utube he says that he doesn’t see different between the two
I've used the new one as well. It's the closest option but isn't exactly the same.
Aaaarrrggghhhh! So frustrating. Everybody talks about how bad Primateks mix but nobody's willing to show it on camera. Is the resulting mix vomit inducing or something? It would be so nice if you could do a quick instagram vid that allowed us to see the problem for ourselves. Who knows? Maybe someone out there is looking to induce vomiting with his art. Lol
I treat them just like a regular color. and just like a regular color it makes some nice mixes and some not so nice mixes. I only have two apetite green genuine (which i always mix, it goes great with quin gold or phthalo blue.) and lapiz lazuli which granulates out of control with green appetite genuine. I would like to get more but i have to see.
Teoh did a Primatek review and mixed them. Gorgeous granulation.I'm thinking of getting the set.
bastet469. OK. THAT was funny! LMAO
Dr.Oto Kano actually has a series of primatek colors
Windsor Newton Green Gold is more green than Qor.
How could I mix Davy's Gray with Daniel Smith WC?
I'm not sure Terry, I'm sorry. That's not a color I am familiar with.
Thank you anyway, I love your channel so keep the posts coming.
Thanks so much :)
@@InLiquidColor I purchased davy's gray, but it is flat and opaque, useless in my practice. I doubt it could provide anything but mud in mixing
What is chromium oxide green?
You didn't mention it 🤔
it is a dark muted very opaque and lightfast green. it is a strage colour to work with because it's so opaque but i creates very nice effects.
i hope it helps ^^'
I don't use it much, but I just featured it in my Colors of Nature review if you like :) It's a nice color, but very opaque so I don't use it often.
I love chromium oxide green. Its an evergreen must have for me and I find it adjusts easily. The opacity isnt a concern for me and it does layer nicely.
Dont take this the wrong way because i love your videos but if a color is discontinued why keep it on a list if there is no chance of being reserrected, then accept it and either work to find a close replacement or find another favorite instead of talking about something from the past you will never see again.
Matt W. I so agree with you.
But I just bought 4 of the old q gold tubes because of her videos. I found them at a blicks store
Matt W. Might be because if it is seen by those who've yet to see it, her showing them might allow us to mix a substitute. I appreciate that. Besides, although she might not be able to find someone who has old stocks of PO 49, someone else might know.
@@farmwife7944 And how is that different from never hearing about the colors? I can make a list of yellows we both probably have not heard anything about that would fill this page, but why think your palette is lacking? There are more lightfast, stable yellows available at one time now than ever before in painting history. A few companies make a lot of extinct pigments available and there are recipes for making your own pigments.
Part of being an artist is learning about the pigments we use. Matt W.'s comment sounds like sour grapes to me. And indicative of a lack of curiosity.
@@farmwife7944 No curiosity? PO 49 IS available, but not as a watercolor. Denise Sodens provides us with a valuable resource in her videos. But here are people who excoriate her for providing information on a valued and beautiful pigment. I would far rather hear about the possibilities, see the actual colors in actual usage, then make up my own mind about whether or not to buy the quin gold substitutes offered by art suppliers or mix my own.
I'd love to see a video from someone who is knowledgeable about interesting extinct pigments (A few videos like that ARE here on UA-cam.) and gives me the opportunity to explore what is really a vast realm of possibilities and materials. Something that gives me a starting point. Denise, in my opinion, is providing a valuable service here, along with Dr. Oto Kano, Teoh, and Soulkeever. There are others, but there are also lots of tutorials by people who don't know much of anything about their chosen materials and disseminate trash into the ears and eyes of unwary beginners.
When I asked about curiosity, I was not joking around. To me, an artist who exhibits no curiosity is not an artist. Are you an artist? Then ask questions.
I am not a monster. I don't bite.