Can also add an envelope follower to the synth mix control, set operation to Src1 - Src2, then it subtracts the signal from the envelope follower to basically reset the effect if you play a new note. This does require messing with the scales of the sources a bit, and probably is different from rig to rig. Seems like an expression pedal opens a lot of options for fine control here.
This is very cool Leon. It appears there are enough blocks in the VP4 to pull this trick off. If the VP4 works out as I hope it will, I will be able to reduce my pedal count and my instrument count greatly, which is something I have been wanting to do for a long time. I have three infinite sustain guitars, but I like this approach much better than wasting three instruments to get this sound and also having three instruments without a usable neck pickup. Cheers!
Thanks Todd, as you mentioned, you do need to adjust playing style a bit and release of the effect (I routed to a Pedal controller) because with the Synth engaged if you don't play anything the synth starts playing random notes. Very useful effect, again as you mention, working to recreate digitally what comes natural with an amp setup. Much appreciated.
This is so cool. I just purchased the Freqout pedal a month ago and was really not that impressed. This sounds and reacts much better. Thanks for showing this Leon!
Just wondering about this exact topic and all of a sudden there you are with it!!!! Thanks Leon you Rip brother!!!! I listen to all your teachings while driving, I call it Drive Time University with the Master Professor Leon Todd!!!! Again thanks for all your dedication and teachings! Your working the 6string is very inspirational as well!!!!
Very interesting to see the configuration used to achieve this. I use a Digitech Freqout to do this, and having it available natively in the Fractals means one less pedal on the floor. Thanks again for the tutorial and the demos, Leon!
Aloha Leon, Love your informative and well put together videos. Is this patch going to be available on Axe Exchange? Keep up the great posts and killer tones. Mahalo
Thanks for demoing this, Leon! I briefly read through the forum thread and watched the demo video when Simeon posted it and thought, "that's really neat, but I've already got a Freqout." Now I'm thinking I may just need to put my Freqout up for sale! I'm definitely giving this a shot this weekend. Have you tried changing the shift to be below the trigger note to emulate the "low" feedback thing the Freqout does?
@@LeonTodd It's a neat mode. If you're going for natural sounding feedback, you'll be left wanting, but it does a sub-octave thing that has its own flavor.
I got this working on my Axe FX ll but one issue is on the higher notes the synth goes wacky when I apply any vibrato or even if I try holding it steady. I don't have all of the setting you have there but I do have most of them. Also sometimes with the expression pedal to zero I still hear synth noise in background.
I looove controlled feedback. Ever since I 1st heard Brad Gillis in Night Ranger use it in his solos in a musical way...I was hooked. When my parents got tired of my guitar cranked up all the time, I made a homemade sustainiac (based on the original concept)....a headphone amp driving a single, large diaphram headphone, strapped onto the guitar...either headstock or body. That was enough to keep me going for a long time. I don't have a Fractal (maybe one day), but I DO have the Freqout pedal...which I love and tend to overdo. :) Feedback is a very addictive thing. Almost like a wah, it can become a crutch. lol
Thank you and Simeon so much for this, it’s not clear to me what “switch” are you using to activate the feedback effect, is it an external footswitch attached to the Fractal or an expression pedal.
#cheatcodeenabled lolll! :D Seriously, that's a beast of a trick! Thanks for sharing, I'll certainly give the man some kudo's on the forum. The Fractal Community is so awesome.
this is a nice trick but in lower gain situations the tracking falls apart and there are synth artifacts feeding into the signal. i have tried with the send-return blocks but didnt have much luck cause the signal gets out of control fast and there's only noise very quickly. have you tried with the S/R blocks with any success yourself?
Thank you for all of the 5 Minute Tone series that you have provided to us. This one is really great as was the circular delay. You generosity and kindness are unmatched (or maybe Matchless?) Thanks again for all you do and your excellent playing is music to our ears (pun intended)! Rock on!
Man, I always frickin' love your tone work and sound. So inspiring! I am 0.0001% away from pulling the trigger on getting an Axe FX III at this point. Any thoughts on using it with a BOSS Katana MKII-100 amp or should I just go through my Scarlett 2i2 interface with dedicated monitor speakers? (Home man-cave guitar player here - no band, just me having fun.)
Pull the trigger. You won’t be sorry. I’ve use this for a year and a half and I’m sorry that I didn’t get it sooner. There’s so much that you can do with this I’m still finding and creating exciting sounds. Plus we have guys like Leon to show us new things too.
Another glimpse into the Fractal greatness...Got a question: when using the Axe FX3 in 4CM, how do you go about equalizing the volumes between the Axe FX/amp head, and Axe FX as modeller?
Cheers LT👊🏼Thanks for sharing these great videos. If one “I” was to purchase an FM3, would I have to join up on your Patron to get my hands on a few of these sweet and killer patches or tones? I’m pretty sure I can speak for many of us and say, these Fractal systems can be a little confusing if you catch my drift, that’s one on the reasons I’ve not made the purchase.
So much work and yet it doesn't require a lot of in-the-room volume to get real feedback with an Axe-FX setup if you're using a real guitar cabinet. (No cabinet IR) I'm a feedback junkie and never had to play that loud to get great feedback, particularly in a high gain setting like this one.
Great Simeon and Todd question im wondering if you can toggle between 7 and 19 using controller heel back 7 toe forward 19.. If not im selling it... just kidding.......
Dear leon! I seem to have done everything as in the video, but it doesn't work perfectly, there are overtones of the synth. Could you post a block of this synth with all the settings so I can just use it? I and thousands of guitarists would appreciate it!
Why do I always have to go out of my way to find LT posts now. I use to wake-up over here in Boston to one a day waiting right at the top for me. It’s like YT would rather feed me shorts about total non-sene that I have 0 interest in now.
@@LeonTodd So I've been playing around with this several times. It works but as I mentioned in a post above it starts off sounding perfect then one little deviation on the bend or vibrato and the synth goes off make wacky synth sounds. Back to the drawing board!
@@LeonTodd The frequency parameter goes crazy unless I hold the note absolutely static. I'll have to experiment a bit more but was wondering if anyone else had a similar problem.
Can also add an envelope follower to the synth mix control, set operation to Src1 - Src2, then it subtracts the signal from the envelope follower to basically reset the effect if you play a new note. This does require messing with the scales of the sources a bit, and probably is different from rig to rig. Seems like an expression pedal opens a lot of options for fine control here.
I love that there's people out there going NASA level on these kinds of solutions in the AxeFx, so cool
Elegant AND effective
nice clear concise explanation and thanks for the shout out bro!
No, thank YOU!
Thanks for figuring this out Simeon. Do you have a degree in electronics engineering?
@@BobGuido no, just 40 years messing around with this stuff
@@Simeon_Harris Those who know, know that you're a real wizard Simeon.
Simeon is a gem and a genius
Indeed!
This is very cool Leon. It appears there are enough blocks in the VP4 to pull this trick off. If the VP4 works out as I hope it will, I will be able to reduce my pedal count and my instrument count greatly, which is something I have been wanting to do for a long time. I have three infinite sustain guitars, but I like this approach much better than wasting three instruments to get this sound and also having three instruments without a usable neck pickup. Cheers!
This video just made me avoid buying a FreqOut, literally. Thanks for sharing Leon and huge thanks to Simeon for the awesome contribution!
I've been wandering about that and BOOM, my man from down under comes through!!!😊
Thanks Todd, as you mentioned, you do need to adjust playing style a bit and release of the effect (I routed to a Pedal controller) because with the Synth engaged if you don't play anything the synth starts playing random notes. Very useful effect, again as you mention, working to recreate digitally what comes natural with an amp setup. Much appreciated.
This is so cool. I just purchased the Freqout pedal a month ago and was really not that impressed. This sounds and reacts much better. Thanks for showing this Leon!
Great to hear!
Thanks brother, I NEEDED this to figure out how to get that last note on Beyond The Realms of Death. You area a life saver!
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This is super smart and super useful. This is the beauty of this platform. So many possibilities, it just has to be harnessed.
Just wondering about this exact topic and all of a sudden there you are with it!!!! Thanks Leon you Rip brother!!!!
I listen to all your teachings while driving, I call it Drive Time University with the Master Professor Leon Todd!!!! Again thanks for all your dedication and teachings! Your working the 6string is very inspirational as well!!!!
Very welcome, I certainly appreciate that mate!
Leon Todd videos are the absolutely best for learning how to get the most out of Fractal gear. Thanks Leon for all that you do!!!
My pleasure!
Very interesting to see the configuration used to achieve this. I use a Digitech Freqout to do this, and having it available natively in the Fractals means one less pedal on the floor. Thanks again for the tutorial and the demos, Leon!
So rad!!!🤘🏻
Holy smokes this is BRILLIANT! 😍
Simeon is a god tier programmer
This is so f*****g rad.
What an amazing playing, sounds phenomenal!!
Much appreciated!
Fantastic video mate!
Thanks a lot!
WE embraced LOUD, because of that delicious feedback, and natural compression from over stressing speakers:) What a cool trick though:)
My favourite video so far
Thanks Leon! I’ll have to check this out and compare it to the other method of using a pitch block
The Octave and 5th remind me of the Sustaniac tone! Well Done Leon and Simeon
phenomenal!
Genius as usual.
Thank you!
Been waiting for this trick - thank you all
That is so cool! 👍Wish the GT1000 has a pitch follower and synth block.
WOW, man...EXCELLENT!!!
Thanks a lot for this!
RIP my Freqout pedal. Thx Leon.
Aloha Leon, Love your informative and well put together videos. Is this patch going to be available on Axe Exchange? Keep up the great posts and killer tones. Mahalo
Thanks for demoing this, Leon! I briefly read through the forum thread and watched the demo video when Simeon posted it and thought, "that's really neat, but I've already got a Freqout." Now I'm thinking I may just need to put my Freqout up for sale! I'm definitely giving this a shot this weekend.
Have you tried changing the shift to be below the trigger note to emulate the "low" feedback thing the Freqout does?
I have not. I'll be right back....
@@LeonTodd It's a neat mode. If you're going for natural sounding feedback, you'll be left wanting, but it does a sub-octave thing that has its own flavor.
I got this working on my Axe FX ll but one issue is on the higher notes the synth goes wacky when I apply any vibrato or even if I try holding it steady. I don't have all of the setting you have there but I do have most of them. Also sometimes with the expression pedal to zero I still hear synth noise in background.
Off to try and set this up with a Axe FX 2 and Morningstar MC8 long press/release
That’s a neat trick!
I looove controlled feedback. Ever since I 1st heard Brad Gillis in Night Ranger use it in his solos in a musical way...I was hooked. When my parents got tired of my guitar cranked up all the time, I made a homemade sustainiac (based on the original concept)....a headphone amp driving a single, large diaphram headphone, strapped onto the guitar...either headstock or body. That was enough to keep me going for a long time. I don't have a Fractal (maybe one day), but I DO have the Freqout pedal...which I love and tend to overdo. :) Feedback is a very addictive thing. Almost like a wah, it can become a crutch. lol
That's so cool!
Absolutly Amazing Sound and Playing. Try to do this on my Fractal FM9. Thanks for the explaination.
Glad you like it!
Love your playing brother
Thanks so much Leon!!!! Amazing!!!
My pleasure!!
Thank you and Simeon so much for this, it’s not clear to me what “switch” are you using to activate the feedback effect, is it an external footswitch attached to the Fractal or an expression pedal.
1:18 dude all of that tone with only 3 blocks.
Right?!?!
#cheatcodeenabled lolll! :D Seriously, that's a beast of a trick! Thanks for sharing, I'll certainly give the man some kudo's on the forum. The Fractal Community is so awesome.
this is a nice trick but in lower gain situations the tracking falls apart and there are synth artifacts feeding into the signal. i have tried with the send-return blocks but didnt have much luck cause the signal gets out of control fast and there's only noise very quickly. have you tried with the S/R blocks with any success yourself?
Same here.
Thank you for all of the 5 Minute Tone series that you have provided to us. This one is really great as was the circular delay. You generosity and kindness are unmatched (or maybe Matchless?) Thanks again for all you do and your excellent playing is music to our ears (pun intended)! Rock on!
You're very welcome!
Definitely going to program this one later today.
That sounds so cool
Hmmmm....might get some trippy tones when using this with a Sustainer pup. Time to give it a try!
Man, I always frickin' love your tone work and sound. So inspiring! I am 0.0001% away from pulling the trigger on getting an Axe FX III at this point. Any thoughts on using it with a BOSS Katana MKII-100 amp or should I just go through my Scarlett 2i2 interface with dedicated monitor speakers? (Home man-cave guitar player here - no band, just me having fun.)
You could start out with the katana as a power amp and then grab some studio monitors down the line
Pull the trigger. You won’t be sorry. I’ve use this for a year and a half and I’m sorry that I didn’t get it sooner. There’s so much that you can do with this I’m still finding and creating exciting sounds. Plus we have guys like Leon to show us new things too.
@@LeonTodd Yep... I already have the Katana ... just wondering if it plays well the the Fractal stuff - which I'm sure it will.
@@nordicguitar8395 Thanks for that! I have a feeling that when you go Fractal you never go back! Haha.🥰
hey leon! cant get my fm9 synth block to behave like yours. when i add vibrato to the note like you were doing, it gets very glitchy. any suggestions?
Built in DigiTech Freqout!?!? AWESOME!!!
Another glimpse into the Fractal greatness...Got a question: when using the Axe FX3 in 4CM, how do you go about equalizing the volumes between the Axe FX/amp head, and Axe FX as modeller?
Cheers LT👊🏼Thanks for sharing these great videos. If one “I” was to purchase an FM3, would I have to join up on your Patron to get my hands on a few of these sweet and killer patches or tones? I’m pretty sure I can speak for many of us and say, these Fractal systems can be a little confusing if you catch my drift, that’s one on the reasons I’ve not made the purchase.
My blocks/presets are shared publicly and for free :)
Nice 👍 Where can they be located and do you offer any help with a set up on an FM3?
Not sure I'd do it much but that's pretty sick 👍
Thanks soooo much brother!!
Happy to help
Master class Leon! excuse my ignorance (just got my FM9): do this work with any amp?
Yes indeed
So much work and yet it doesn't require a lot of in-the-room volume to get real feedback with an Axe-FX setup if you're using a real guitar cabinet. (No cabinet IR) I'm a feedback junkie and never had to play that loud to get great feedback, particularly in a high gain setting like this one.
Yeah this is definitely a solution for the cases where volume is an issue, or for people playing on silent stages.
Cool feedback sim. Do you think this approach would also work on other Modelers like those from Line 6 Helix?
I think there's a Helix version floating around
@@LeonTodd If anyone knows where it is, please post a comment. Thanks
Wow!!! With my Fractal I literally never need to by another pedal at this point!!! But I probably will. 🤪
hahaha I feel you there
So cool!!! Can i do it in somehow with my old but loved AX8? 😅
Yeah it should work
That is a party!
Did you receive your X device? Can’t wait for your review!!! Cheers
Great Simeon and Todd question im wondering if you can toggle between 7 and 19 using controller heel back 7 toe forward 19.. If not im selling it...
just kidding.......
yes, of course. +19 sounds great on low notes
Very cool. Is there a way without footcontroler?
not really. you need control over it. you can use an expression pedal if you don't want to lose a switch to it.
@@Simeon_Harris OK, thanx!
Leon you should do a review of the Digitech freqout
Yeah I really should, been on my radar for a while now
It works but then drops into a lower octave garble? what am i missing?
Dear leon! I seem to have done everything as in the video, but it doesn't work perfectly, there are overtones of the synth. Could you post a block of this synth with all the settings so I can just use it? I and thousands of guitarists would appreciate it!
Simeon!
That preset sounds unbelievably amazing going to have my friend dial it in on his Fractal Axe FX III thanks LT. Time to blaze some licks.🔥🤘
Wow amazing LT
Is the preset avaliable?
Thanks
So call me a newb...but all I get is a single pitch that doesn't
follow my pitch. I'm set up with an expression pedal. What am I doing wrong?
So like a sustainiac pup but in the axe fx III
Yep
Does it work like a sustainic because it sounds like it.
no, it actually works more like the digitech freqout by gradually replacing your guitar note with a synthetically generated one.
can you do a guitar review on the Artist AS1??
I did a demo of one of their guitars recently if you haven't seen it already
Hai Leon. You're using an FC12 for a long time instead of the FC6?
Yeah it lives under my studio desk
Could this be done with my older AxeFX II XL+???????? If so HOW??? PLEASE HELP
Yeah, same process
Why do I always have to go out of my way to find LT posts now.
I use to wake-up over here in Boston to one a day waiting right at the top for me.
It’s like YT would rather feed me shorts about total non-sene that I have 0 interest in now.
Yeah YT shorts are now monetized so YT is pushing it HARD
Can this be done on the original Axe FX MkII ?
Probably? Worth trying
@@LeonTodd So I've been playing around with this several times. It works but as I mentioned in a post above it starts off sounding perfect then one little deviation on the bend or vibrato and the synth goes off make wacky synth sounds. Back to the drawing board!
FAS: chomping away one by one all the "amp purist" arguments since 2006
Is it not possible to do vibrato when the synth block is doing its thing? When I add vibrato the whole thing goes weird.
I haven't had an issue with it.
@@LeonTodd The frequency parameter goes crazy unless I hold the note absolutely static. I'll have to experiment a bit more but was wondering if anyone else had a similar problem.
works fine for me too. i wonder if the string scraping across the fret is creating harmonics and fooling the pitch detector?
@@Simeon_Harris Could be the case, which parameters should I play around with to try and fix the issue? Thanks for all your help!
@@tanshaomala well there's nothing you can add to the grid or change about the pitch block, because pitch info is detected at the main input.
doesnt work for me somehow :/ the frequency and mix knob stay the same always
Make sure the pitch follower is assigned to input 1 on the controllers menu.
@@LeonTodd thank you
Can we do this with an Fm3 ?
Yep
why not just add that to your scene and leave it on all the time ?
Fernandes Sustainiac works great, or just use an E-Bow…
Oh ya...
Nice trick! But got sustainiac pickup already :p
:D
Sounds almost like a sustainiac
similar sound, but different method
using a FM3
time to sell my Ebow XD
Simeon should teach at Hogwarts....
he's a grand wizard!