Thanks to the person in the comments who corrected the spelling mistake in the title. Last time I did that was with the word “genius”, I’m sure there’s some ironic message in that ~ Nathan
LOL I am forever looking up the word genius. I have dyslexia and wonky eyesight. One good misspelling of the word genius knocks 50 points of an IQ score, too! It's not fair!
I was told that when I was six years old. Never liked that. Could never understand how that makes sense. Parents told me that's why I didn't have many friends and that I had to let people make mistakes. Also said I made my brother feel stupid. How is that my fault? I just told him what he was doing was wrong, that's all. He still did the wrong thing anyway, then felt dumb afterward.
@@openwaters2988 Making mistakes is not a problem. You can't have proper results without experimentation. But not learning anything from it because of ego and beliefs and continue making mistakes needlessly is really bad. And is a mockery to human evolution.
@@demonic4297 i agree. If someones wrong, and they don’t learn, then i Will correct Them, and it’s their fault. They just shouldn’t be stupid. If people stopped being stupid, then i would stop correcting people.
@@Jonas_Albert if only it were that simple. That approch only works with humans not monke'sXD And we live in a society of monke's, weather we like it or not. My advice is to do what you want to do. If you want to correct them for own conscience then do so. But if you don't want to then don't do it even if it makes you feel guilt. Trust me, greater people have tried and failed. Focus on improving yourself and steer clear of such people and from the crossfire of their wrong decisions.
Such a great quote. I've had aspirations of becoming leader of my country... but some of my INTP traits have held me back... 1) I dislike Public Speaking (especially at that large scale), (2) I don't like meeting people in large crowds, (3) I've thought of many ways of doing a good job at it, but have procrastinated attempting to pursue the first step towards that goal (probably a lack of confidence there), (4) I'd have to become better at speaking/understanding/debating in French, (5) On a another Love Who video on MBTI types as leaders... he placed the INTP type in more of an advisory position to the leader (instead of the leader position)... which I won't mostly disagree with.
As an INTP, I resolved a lot by not caring what people believe in. I value my opinions and keep them for myself unless (and only when) someone asks for it. At some point, almost inevitably so, people will be in the wrong and wonder why they did not see it coming. It takes some patience, but eventually people notice the consistency of the INTP's logic. It's like looking at children learning how to walk, you look at them smiling at their clumsiness.
Brilliant! (It took me a long time starting to be a bit more okay with not caring what people believe in...even if/when that gets them into trouble that could have been preventing if I shared my perspective/observation/"solution")
Honestly I always try to help people by giving them more logical approaches and thoughts I say it once and they obviously don’t understand so I’m just thinking "um okay I hope you learn eventually" and never talk about it again 🤓🚶
@@prakharanand5760 Actually, since the quote says "being right" and not "thinking you are right" then in that case spiros tselentis' quote is 100% correct. whether what you say is wrong or right does not influence any part of his or nathan't quote. But then again, there might be sth more important we don't know about yet.
🤣…old INTP here…in the rear view mirror…hold the “ right” cards close. It’s results that matter in the end and to achieve “ right ends”, practical strategies come into play, which entails working with people that can’t or won’t use logic to analyze the right or wrong of their positions. Don’t let that derail progress.
Maybe I can help, as an INTP I’ve always been a computer nerd and we INTPs are great at Coding, Teaching, Advising, and Tutoring. Also Bill Gates and Elon Musk are INTPs as well. Bill Gates has brought the Computer to bigger heights, Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos couldn’t do that. Elon Musk created his first ver computer game at the age of 12 and Was able to crate things such as Cars and Space rockets. We are also great at Art and We have a knack for remember a whole hours worth of info and describing it correctly, that’s how Bill and Elon figured out how to make Computers and Cars, read up on any kind of Electronic or Invention and I guarantee you too can be amazing!
Being serious here, if you really don't like interacting with people all the time(which is kinda obvious for us INTPs), just learn coding and get a job. The pay's good, you will be sticking to your beloved laptop all day. Try it out!
@@SimoneEppler "The fact I procrastinate and still get things done is why I still procrastinate" that is the way of the PROcrastinator. Then again some ppl manage to procrastinate, and not manage to do a 3 month long assignment in 1 hour, the day before the deadline and get A
@@creepkafka4832 Nathan said the quote is from "a notorious individual". Could've meant McGregor but surely someone came out with this quote before him.
INTPs love the theoretical and book learning. If there's something an INTP doesn't understand, it must be understood to the INTP's satisfaction, often that means entirely, in every intellectual way. They are often self motivated in this way. Unfortunately the INTP often lacks the practical experience to go along with the theoretical book knowledge and this is something an ISTP will often beat them over the head with and the INTJ will simply shake their head at the inefficiency of having wasted time perusing knowledge that is only practical when playing trivia games. A healthy INTP will understand there is more to learning than books and get out and put that knowledge to practical experience. Eventually that deeper, fuller understanding can even be used to help people in that wise, sage sort of way, but the boundaries of the comfort zone must first and always be challenged.
Yeahh, I had that conversation with my INFJ aunt. She says, "Would you rather be right or happy?" like she was giving me something new to talk about. "Right," I say immediately. "NO!" She exclaims. "So, being right is wrong?" I ask. "Yes," she nods as she takes the bait. "Well, if that's true, then that means that the statement is wrong and creates a paradox, which proves the statement incorrect." She didn't like that.
The best answer is "Both". Then just tell a reason in a playful manner. EDIT: If you're a cheeky rascal, this is another best approach. "I don't need to choose. I'm smart enough to know that I can be right most of the time, and happy enough since you're my aunt." -INTP (always dealing with F types)
As an INFJ, I will never say "yes" to the "are you saying being right is wrong?". That causes so much confusion 😂 I'll just say "Being right is a great thing indeed but trying to prove/show to people that you're right (in a matter they're sensitive about) and ruining the relationship in the process will make you unhappy. Just be cautious"
I've definitely learned in conversation that you get far more of your own ideas and thoughts across through posing them as questions to people. For instance, if I think someone is not seeing the bigger picture: "I haven't thought about this issue in that way, I tend to be concerned with this aspect that just makes it rub the wrong way. What do you think about that?"
"I haven't thought about this issue in that way" Lying to coddle feelings like that, doesn't sit right with me, as an intp, lmao. OF COURSE i've thought of it, and in the rare instance where i haven't thought of it, MY opinion gets changed. Working around the absence of intellectual integrity in other people feels like beating around the bush, INFINITELY... It's insanity, i CAN'T bring myself to do it. xD
This is very accurate about always being right. As an INTP I used to loose friends and never get close to family members because I always saw their opinions as worse than mine and I had to yell about it and it would push away people. However when I studied the personality types more and how each type is smart in their own way and I look at famous INTPs who succeeded in life, successful INTPs learn that there is more to life than being right. Other INTPs wonder how do I stop wanting to correct people? Well INTPs should have solo hobbies they don’t share with anyone unless the person they meet is a good listener. For example I used to argue about my music taste and showed to everyone but then I found my own genre that I use myself and arguing stops. Again INTPs won’t be perfect in this and I still do get into arguments sometimes but reduce it enough to keep the right friends and solo do things and talk about things you’ll have in common. Also Abraham Lincoln is VERY INTP and he represents an INTP who learned to take action. INTPs that read books about persuasion and read stories that influence them can learn to plant seeds of ways to persuade people. Lincoln used planting small seeds into people and it did work. For me I did something kinda similar, stay quiet about an idea and do lots of research and lots of work into it and talk about the idea natural. For example I always talk to my close friends about relationships and why they’re important in a neutral way to succeed and when they actually do get into relationship struggles they actually would listen to me about it since I’m known to be the guy that knows psychology about relationships and since I’m neutral they would just tell me knowing I didn’t pick a side
To be honest I used to do that, making people think that they discovered the solution or made the plan, but it felt like I was manipulating them. So then I tried to just be straightforward about my ideas and thoughts and that got me into a lot of arguments with people. So now I'm torn on what I should do lol
Unfortunately, when you lead with Ti, you know just how easy other people are to manipulate. For instance, the Socratic Method is actually a great weapon. Hold someone's hand through your argument and they eventually become entrapped by their own logic. I usually try to use my gifts for good because that inferior Fe aspiration but sometimes you just gotta outmaneuver another person and there's nothing wrong with that. We're all doing our best. So I guess that's my long Ne way of saying your motives are good and you have a certain skillset, don't be afraid of it.
@@infdox9051 "Well actually" to meme a bit here, a lot of people have a problem with the government and more seem to be waking up to the issue all the time. Although, I don't actually understand how anyone ever trusts their governments. We could discuss the corrupting influence of power or the fact that Cluster B personality types are attracted to it and therefore appear in higher concentrations the further up one gets or any number of other factors but the point remains.
Also, I enjoyed the grammatical implication that Abraham Lincoln is still alive. As if he's waiting in the shadows somewhere like some immortal guardian.
Maybe I'm in-between healthy and unhealthy because when I encounter blatant illogical ideas I just agree and end the conversation there. I don't think it's my job to teach others, particularly strangers.
I mean you can’t force your ideas onto people so you’re not doing anything wrong. You have no obligation to them so there’s no reason to try and beat a dead horse.
When I encounter blatantly ignorant and ilogical ideas and beliefs depending on whether I care about the person or not I state the facts and logic. Then I wait for a response. If it is on the blacklist ("my truth"/"that is so close minded"/"the goverment said it so it must be correct") or an "I am always right" attitude with no facts, I just turn on "don't give a duck" mode and end the conversation before it gets too heated. If (rare) they bring out a counter argument that is logical, I will prove what I know and disprove the counter arguement, or secretly place the matter on the "further research required" list
Instead of healthy vs. unhealthy, I tend to think in terms of having good days vs. bad days. Everyone has them. If it's a long term pattern, then yes, an unhealthy pattern becomes a rut and blah, blah blah. I definitely have to remind myself, when under stress or stressful situations, that not everyone is thinking like me -or having the same "experience". Learning how and when to detach just comes with experience. At 52, I still have those moments or days, but not weeks or months. So, there's light at the end of the tunnel. 😃
A major turning point in my life was reading an article that stated that there are 7 (i think) different types of intelligence and INTPs dont posses all. Hence, the notion that I held (which was that I was an Apex predator among ignorant human beings) was incorrect because every type has something different they bring to the table and they can naturally excel in things that INTPS can't match up to. Mechanical intelligence, Social intelligence, Emotional intelligence (this ties into social intelligence, but it should have its separate category), Nature oriented intelligence were/are all areas I struggled in. Finding these values in others alongside coming to terms with the fact that my innate desire to be autonomous was inefficient in the long run made me the best version of myself to date and made me excited to learn more about others and their giftswhich replaced a natural resentment I had towards society and people in general. ✌🕉😁🦉
Wise very wise... people are all different and it takes wisdom to know the difference. I like to met people on their level. I like them to see for themselves. I'm not a INTP person but am a INFP. People need to make up their own minds.
"which was that I was an Apex predator among ignorant human beings" That actually sounds like something an INTJ would think, it's shallow, lacks self-awareness, and driven by stubborn egocentricism, which i believe is the primary difference between an INTP and INTJ... INTP's are usually easily capable of admitting when they don't know everything, or when they've missed a detail... INTJ's have a very hard time doing that, and almost always act as if the limited knowledge they possess, is ALL the knowledge that exists on the topic... Which is just the most absolute form of arrogance. xD Then again, this doesn't take into account things like personality disorders, like NPD, for instance... I have no idea how that interacts with Myers-Briggs Personality types. Anyways, good to see you figured it out though. :)
@@MyouKyuubi It was easy to admit after I became aware of it. There was no grief held. I was provided with information that made more logical sense than what I believed my entire life up to that point and my stance on the matter quite literally immediately changed. I think that arrogance is innately an INTX thing. I've tested out on about 12 different tests now and I've been informally(without my initial knowledge) as well as professionally typed as an INTP tho. I do find INTJs absolutely fantastic and I'd have preferred to have had their function stack. Procrastination, lack of motivation and willingness to act upon my many ideas are no fun lol.
I don't know if I would call those characteristics "unhealthy" as much as I'd say they make for an ineffective approach towards getting what you want. My take on unhealthy INTPs are that they're the ones who get caught in the stranglehold of inferior Fe.
Yeah then you get depressed and create a negative self-concept because you’re not getting what you want - who bc affects your actions making you ineffective towards getting what you want, which leads to depression and a negative self-concept because you cannot get what you want in life. Ergo physically, mentally, and spiritually unhealthy!
The thing to be considered here, are two things which would make this more indepth: INTP's analysis paralysis, and perfectionism. I would consider both present in healthy and unhealthy INTPs. So, what I would like to add to this is - there is no absolute perfect moment. You just need to know when there is a good moment to act. As for the analysis paralysis and overthinking- usually INTPs figure out a very good solution, and then dismantle it themselves. Just not undermining yourself would do an INTP good. So if you feel insecure, sleeping a night over it, or having somebody encourage you is a pretty good idea.
This was pretty helpful actually, I’ve always said to myself and other people sometimes “it feels like I’m waiting for something and I know I am” I can see the look in their faces like my mother who is an ESTJ for instance, I see her eyes of disbelief when I say “it’s going to happen eventually”, and I understand that it definitely does not look like it, but I know it is and it will It’s nice to see that what I’ve been feeling like is actually an INTP kind of thing Also, it’s very difficult for INTPs to get their head around that people don’t always want the truth cause they themselves want to be proven wronging they were,, there is nothing worse than thinking something is true when it’s isn’t
MAN, good news: I felt/feel It too and I think that I started to live this moment! Its seems like im using 80% of the skills that I ""random""ning developed. I feel like almost all my preocupations/actions were the preparation for this time. What is happening: Im moving to a community! A community that demands a agriculture reform here in Brazil!
"There are more important things in life than being right" We can argue about that, but this alone can't excuse someone from not changing their mind when they know they're wrong about something that matters. Lying to yourself might help you temporarily but it's terrible in the long run. Being right is better than being wrong, and so if you get the chance to correct yourself there is no reason not to. Lies are unhealthy. I'd interpret the main point of your argument is that persuading someone to be right can do more damage than someone correcting themselves can do good. Like bullying someone to agree with you that one superpower is better than the other is by no means worth it, but that is not to say that it's NEVER worth it to change someone's mind. There are important things to be right about that excuse the efforts, although you should always strive to be gentle and kind and mindful of the other person. You also can't just force someone to correct themselves nor should you, especially if you yourself can't be 100% sure you're right.
Very insightful and well aligned with my experience to influence - some times creating movement many times failing. Love your analogies - as a person involved in board sports.
If there are more important things than being right or not is subjective and depends on the situation at hand, people involved, their belief and value system and what they stand to gain and lose from said outcome. If being right on the short run causes friction and burns some bridges, oh well. It almost always proves to be more beneficial in big picture. "Stand up for what is right, even if you stand alone."
as an intp i did some deep self evaluation on myself through meditation and i found my need to be right is derived from childhood when people would judge me or treat me poorly for saying my thoughts (which most werent personal conclusions) that came off wrong to others or being physically punished by my father for things i didnt understand and wasnt given an explanation about what i did was wrong as a toddler in my deepest memories. i think and feel that i want to be right all the time to come off as competent to avoid the feeling that i will be vulnerable to consequences if im perceived as "wrong". i dont quite know where to direct this realization or what i can do for self betterment yet, but im sure ill dig deeper. thank you for your videos and giving me the feeling of a sense of community, that i am not alone, and perfectly fine the way i am. your videos give me self confidence, that theres nothing wrong with me in my sense of self and dont have to change who i am in order to feel accepted by myself and others.
This only really begins to cover the dilemma of the (unhealthy) intp … you forgot to mention the attempts to logically explain emotions, and generally very “straightforward” approach to how relationships “should” operate as a result. And the social anxiety 😥
@@louisejoel I constantly feel like I’m tethered to the train of mass public opinion and dragged down the tracks.There’s no place for nuance in a mob. It gets worse if the problem is so large that huge scores of people simply follow simple rules for survival and they act more like swarms of birds wheeling around the sky in some strange synchronised madness.
The waves comes just after you start to be more with the people that you truly respect. And theeen, after they give you enough "real data/ real feedbacks" you can relate with anyone in the world. And then you will start to feel and see the waves that you can create and relate.
@@rafaelbarretodossantos2383 I’m not sure. I feel like the strangest person in the world most of the time. I find that nobody wants to discuss things like suicide possibly being a evolutionary adaptation. They would rather talk about the weather.
This has helped me immensely. I recently learned that I'm most likely an INTP (thought I was an INTJ for like 17 years lol) and it really pivoted alot for me internally. To hear this helps me see im more healthy than I thought progressing in ways I wasnt even aware of. Im deeply spiritual as much as I am logical so hearing about timing and reading waves really thrilled me, for a while I felt alot of what I understand would be difficult to explain because it usually feels so..."before its time" so silence has always been the choice if im not questioned or challenged. Thank you lots 💓
You did not take into account the mental ache we experience just by seeing inefficient practices or wrong statements around us. It's very hard for us to wait for the wave since we are constantly in pain. In fact, that pain is the only motive for us to speak up
As an INTP married to another INTP with 2 small kids under 10 years old to care for, I’ve learned to step up and take care for them. Kids are a huge motivation. Headphones help.
An an INTP, it's strange that now, despide it being one of the most "detached" periods of my life, I feel like the world has opened itself to me. Once I rejected my own ego, which didn't happen purposefully, I have started seeing the world as a giant pool of concepts from which I can reach with my open hands. Surprisingly, I've also grown in touch with my own opinions and emotions, and have learned to respect those of others. Of course, I might never go out into the world fully, because I'm cautious, but you need some caution in life as well
Gotta say I agree with Nathan here. Being right is overvalued by INTP's (I am one). Action counts not just for more but for everything at least in terms of traditional success measures. My brother is an ENTJ and the quality of his ideas are far inferior than mine. His views on many topics are not well developed or well informed. And yet he achieves far more than I do, because I study too much and act too little. He works up to 130hrs/wk. I read up on 130 topics. He is forceful with his ideas, totally confident and politically shrewd. I avoid games and generally feel the need for more and more information before I feel confident of taking action, which comes to slowly and am easily distracted by the next idea. A man of action and few thoughts will get ahead of a man of ideas and no action. If for no other reason than he will get the benefit of experience, learn and correct before you're even out of the gate.
@LoveWho INFP here. Every video about my type is explained so eloquently by you. Like you know me better than most. My husband is an INTP. He is forever playing devil's advocate in conversation whether he takes that side or not. Also, he never believes that I truly don't like something (food, art, music) unless I've experienced it at least three times. It's exhausting but I do admire his tenacity.
I have to agree with you about being right. In general, it is most important to be right- not in the way a lot of people want to be right, which is to to be perceived as right even if detrimentally wrong, but in the way that one should study, learn, grow and reach the conclusion that is actually correct. However, there are times when things are not "right". The solution to a problem that someone comes up with is terrible, the assumption is crap, etc. But, sometimes it is right enough to get the job done. I gave one example of this somewhere already. I will tell you another. My second-eldest sister and my (elder than me) brother were assigned, along with myself, to clean a room. She had very wrong ideas of how to do it and kept interrupting our work that, if we had been left alone, would have resulted in everything being accomplished in a timely and efficient manner. She was driving us crazy, throwing fits, demanding to get her way, so he and I had a brief discussion to make sure we were both on the same page, and then we just started letting her think we were listening to her. It did add more time on to the work and make it less efficient by far, but not as much as if we had actually listened to her. So it was not "right", in any sense. Neither of us enjoyed lying to her or giving her an ego problem that would have to be deflated later in life, which we weren't even sure could be done. But, it got the work done with less interruptions of her screaming and running to Mom to get her to force us to do things the wrong way.
I have learned to never argue with a person. It itcks them off and makes them feel threatened. You won't convince them if they have taken a stance because it is not important to be right but to be percieved as such. If you are certain you are right and they are fools, just smile and walk on. It is not worth the social damage to continue to engage.
“There are more important things to life than being right” If that’s true, wouldn’t that make this statement “right”? If that’s the case, wouldn’t I be adhering to the advice by NOT following it? 😆
Strongly agreed altho the first point took me the longest to learn and was the hardest. I only agree with it because it gives good practical results when applied to human interaction.
I’ve found it’s worthwhile adding my often broader spiderweb of knowledge: most are offended by impersonality, it takes away their woolly beliefs but I see they need time to process my clangers their pride having been hurt initially I observe I have influenced a change later. But it sucks when they adopt the idea/problem solving info I imparted and claim it as their own. .I’m not expecting credit, only some respect or even apology…. Another wish is if only people I meet gave me the same insights ; it’s not their fault it only goes one way lol! So, I go off and read to mentally dialogue with minds that stretch my thinking. It’s deeply comforting to get back to fresh thinking.
The Lincoln strategy works great, I've done it multiple times at work when seeing a major project or thing having to go in a typically unpopular direction, instead of using my previous method of telling it how it is immediately (which usually goes badly cause people hate being wrong /made look stupid), I now take weeks sowing the seeds I'm the minds of sometimes multiple people.
Just as a quote "the truth is always true, but the truth is not always right". I guess to give context to this quote, it means: yes, the truth will always remain true, but the truth is not always the right option in every situation.
Also challenges each type has to conquer to become better functioning, well adjusted and to realistically and practicality pursue their interests and get results
i honestly think truth is still important and being right is still important however its not important for every person to agree to it bc they are different and you just have to let them be you can't do anything abt it and move on,, Like i still want to be right but not in the sense that 'they are wrong' but in the sense that 'i want to know enough and cross-check enough to know and say that this is the best possible way to deal with this situation'
INTP, something I would add to the unhealthy side is waiting for the opportune time, then missing it because it feels slightly off. On the plus side, knowing how to force an issue is very helpful, as you can create opportunity for your designs if you do a little social engineering. (Yes that is more of a learned behavior than our natural state, yes it hurts every time.)
This is one of the best videos on INTPs by one of the best, if not the best, MBTI channels. I have come to the same conclusions after many years of thinking about this stuff. Therefore, Nathan, you must be right 🙂
I've learnt from life lessons that being right isn't everything, nowadays "agreeing to disagree" is a default position, thought I do still fall into the trap If wanting to correct people sometimes. My most unhealthy trait is being passive and indecisive, and I procrastinate, a lot. But I also have ADHD, so I'm sure that plays a role.
I think being right isn’t one of my unhealthy habits tbh, I rarely ever feel that I’m right 🥲 I’ll be very sure of something and once somebody doubts me, I start to doubt as well and my “yes, definitely” answers become “I’m not sure” because I have a problem with absolute certainties lol. More often than not, I’m actually right, but now people are doubting because even I doubt myself (I know this is just an INTP thing to doubt everything, but it comes across as insecurity sometimes).
@01:52 As an INTP who was the cause of several failed relationships, this one was a hard pill to swallow when I realized it, but after you do and properly internalize it, my god does a lot of stress just melt away.
02:50 + Abe bit As an INTP with ADHD who thrives in crisis situations, I really like hearing this whole section, it's given me a few ideas on how to approach things at work. I got over my ego issues a years ago (there's still the occasional 'validate my intellect' tantrum), but I'm generally pretty happy to hand things off to other people and provide guidance/support when it's needed.
I think, on a personal level, the best way to leverage INTP's analytical skills and diverse interest set is learning to organize so that you can prioritize objectives...rather than just timing ideas on their own, you have to have a bunch of ideas in your pocket. It's been a challenge and it's taken me years to realize this -- but literally writing them down has been a tool that has been incredibly helpful and I find myself doing more and accomplishing more...and, ironically, having more time to think rather than stew about aimlessly. Getting bogged down into analysis paralysis is one of those things that feeds into feelings of apathy and which feeds back into the paralysis, it's like an ouroboros; the only way to break that is to start to compartmentalize ideas and put them in order. I believe, as a mature INTP, having the expectations or at least the optimism that people will eventually imbued themselves to your ideas and ideals, and much less, having the opportunity to coordinate them for an opportune time is...well... overly optimistic. I think it's okay to have an ego and working unilaterally when you can, hoping others will catch wind and work with you, otherwise, while I appreciate playing the long game, you may be stuck there waiting...forever.
“ there are more important things in life, than being right” couldn’t be any more true! At a certain point I got tired of trying to be seen as the one in the right. 1) How the hell is making some idiot understand that they are wrong benefit me and my future? Did my wallet get richer? House get bigger? Car get nicer? No. Therefore, it is completely illogical for me to try to reason with someone who doesn’t value logic. 2) Getting someone to understand that they are wrong, particularly someone who is an idiot, is very emotionally draining. Kills my social battery. And I’m not spending my social battery arguing with someone just for me to forget about the interaction shortly down the line.
I used to know an unhealthy and indecisive INTP with (mostly unrealistic) ideas all over the place, constantly changing everything up with no strategy in place. I could not get anything meaningful and groundbreaking done for them as they were extremely indecisive and didn't know what they want. One year later and they still have not moved forward with their brand. And that's because they don't listen and refuse to spend money but most of all, don't know what their ultimate goal is. For a result and challenge focused INFJ like me who wants to get things done and move forward (rather aggressively, I must admit) this raging unbalanced Ne is a nightmare. My Fe can't take it, this is your company, you need to be happy with the outcome, but decide what you fucking want. I do love INTPs in general however, one of my best friends is. They do however have the tendency to be all over the place with many unrealistic ideas. So there's when an INFJ needs to step in for balance and say: funnel! So success is actually when the message arrives :) And when Ne and Ni can work hand in hand.
In my opinion even healthy INTP's should practice a little bit of dogmatism every now then. Here's my reasoning for it, The mind of an intp similar to that of a horse's eyesight.Has a very wide range and spooks the horse with the slightest unknown factor, hence making it impossible to use the horse for most situations. But put some horse tacs/blinkers on the horse's eyes and he'll easily be able to move forward without being overwhelmed by it's surroundings. It may not be most enjoyable option for INTP's but it helps them from stagnating in every situation.
@@kevrokka.d.9749 more like taking a spell with a wide area damage but very little range and concentrating it into a piercing strike that can punch through just about anything and has far greater range.
I generally avoid arguing because 1) People are not ready to listen (mostly). 2) Who would like to ruin friendship/relations between 2 people because of a small argument.
It IS amazing what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit. Ego just gets in the way. Of everything. It's more satisfying to move forward.
It's difficult though to let that ego go, especially because it's unfair to allow other people to take credit for your ideas. I don't even think it's an ego problem to want credit for something you did. It's just a matter of fairness. Lots of things come with credit, such as job promotions for example
@@absent72 I agree. I think it's okay to want credit for ideas and hard work, but to some, that becomes the most important thing until it starts overriding everyone elses needs or feelings. That's when it becomes counterproductive. For me, in the grand scheme of things the well being of the group is more important.
Ok so here's how I see it from the perspective of an INTP/INFP. This whole thing happens when people rely on their strengths too much. Quite a lot of people think they can just say things without making sure they're actually right, without asking questions, and they're quite self-assured in that approach, which often results in a bad misunderstanding between people that can disrupt peace and harmony. When they get called out for spreading a falsehood, they deny it and double down, some even resort to wild accusations, etc. This isn't always their response, but it's a very noticable pattern as you correctly point out. And then they'll just shove it under the rug, never bringing it up again unless it's to double down one more time. They won't admit to being wrong, they won't apologize for their behavior, nothing. Or at least very rarely so. And the people around them also usually think that behavior is acceptable. In contrast, if someone doesn't "read the room" and says something rude and inconsiderate, this is sort of the equivalent to the first example, but instead in regards to emotions/harmony rather than honesty/truth. In this way, it's basically the flipped script: it's how INTPs cause the same disruption of peace and harmony that misinformed/dishonest people do towards truth-seeking people. In such a situation, will INTPs realize their mistake and apologize? Not most of the time, and certainly not right away, because they value honesty, and they were being honest. They don't understand (or care) that with their honesty may come rudeness, and this rudeness is unnecessary and disruptive. They can either say the same thing in a more productive way, or just not say it at all and look for an alternative path. But instead they deny and double down. It's the same lesson that dishonest people need to learn (who overvalue harmony as compared to truth) when they need to learn not to be too quick to say things just because it feels right, while INTPs they need to learn to "read the room" or just not risk being rude sometimes. Another important point: everyone is either dishonest or rude sometimes. We need to mature, practice taking a step back and reflecting on our actions. I'm pretty certain that I've been able to heal some frictions I've had with my family by making an effort to show that I actually do care about their feelings and I've apologized sometimes for being needlessly rude. This is very hard to do. But you do difficult things for the people you care about, that's how they know that you do in fact care and they can trust you even if you slip up at times.
INFP here... I observe way more than I talk. I don't care for arguing as some people call debating. My dishonesty comes in the form of passive aggressiveness because I wasn't able to tell people how I really felt. I don't know if this fits your explanation.
@@tracyzimmerman7912 Right, passive aggressiveness is also a tactic. Stating the extreme opposite of perceived reality, thus expressing discontent. A phrase like "well you certainly have it all figured out, Mr. Can-do-no-wrong" is not merely a sarcastic comment pointing out absurdity, but also a jab at the person, avoiding to express a direct insult like "you're such an unfathomably stupid ahole". Does this fall under the same umbrella of dishonesty? Perhaps in some way it could be, yeah. I haven't thought about it in this way before, but the psychology of communication can be quite complex, so I think it can be considered :) That being said, I think passive aggressiveness tends to be used when open communication has already been derailed (in the eyes of at least one person). So maybe it depends on the situation, whether or not it should be considered a form of dishonesty or instead an attempt to return to sanity/harmony.
I’m an INTP and currently in the middle of trying to solve a big problem caused by a group of bureaucrats who aren’t interested in the cause of the problem and trying to manipulate my wife and I with feelings. It’s driving me crazy because we can’t reason with these people.
If they're bureaucrats, they are 100% aware of what they're doing, they are intentionally, and maliciously manipulating you... Call them on it, and investigate them for corruption. : /
@@MyouKyuubi You’re absolutely right, they know what they’re doing. We think we’ve discovered some child abuse going on at an orphanage, and they seem to be actively ignoring it. We’re getting a lawyer involved which might help, but the cops in the country where we live are useless so we don’t really expect much from them. At the same time, these bureaucrats will black-ban us from adopting any children if we don’t accept the deeply troubled child who we originally thought was ok. He needs help beyond what we can provide.
I think this series will be helpful for me. I've spent more time as unhealthy emotionally than healthy to the point that I have an easier time identifying traits I've struggled with as opposed to things I'm actually good at. I think this is why I struggle with finding which cognitive functions rank the highest for me. The moment I connect with one, a little voice in the back of my mind tells me that I'm thinking too highly of myself and should keep looking.
@@spring7643 I've mostly settled on INFP yes. I needed to stop digging too deeply into this subject recently because to many people in this community keep making black and white statements about types and it started causing me spiral into an obsession of "I'm not good enough to be this type, am I actually something else entirely?" I only got into MBTI because I wanted to better understand myself and figure out what weak points I still had to learn to overcome. Apparently I still need to learn to not take other peoples half @$$ opinions so seriously.
@@Takisan111 The loud majority uses stereotypes, but there are some people (Nathan is one) who only use cognitive functions. Mbti is only cognitive functions. People who don't care about learning will default to using stereotypes. I studied mbti for a long time before I fully understood it and now it's fun.
This video feels like a slap in my face. I can not fathom letting someone believe some dumb nonsense and bullshit i viscerally need to tell them the facts. But its almost never ends well because people think im trying to prove im better but i just want them to think critically and to see reality
What is important being a subjective thing one might say it's objectively true that it's the most important thing to INTPs who subjectively value this as the most important thing. To many INTPs 'people being wrong' = millions of people being wrong in the same way = undermining humanity = most important thing. This is due to our empathy and affinity for humanity as a whole as opposed to individuals.
"There are more important things than being right" Yes, which is to be wise. And in order to be wise, you have to be right. At the important things, at least.
Thanks to the person in the comments who corrected the spelling mistake in the title. Last time I did that was with the word “genius”, I’m sure there’s some ironic message in that ~ Nathan
I'm dyslexic so I would understand.
:j
lmao
LOL I am forever looking up the word genius. I have dyslexia and wonky eyesight. One good misspelling of the word genius knocks 50 points of an IQ score, too! It's not fair!
"There are more important things than being right"
shakes and cries in intp
"gets triggered" in intp
I was told that when I was six years old. Never liked that. Could never understand how that makes sense. Parents told me that's why I didn't have many friends and that I had to let people make mistakes. Also said I made my brother feel stupid. How is that my fault? I just told him what he was doing was wrong, that's all. He still did the wrong thing anyway, then felt dumb afterward.
@@openwaters2988 Making mistakes is not a problem. You can't have proper results without experimentation. But not learning anything from it because of ego and beliefs and continue making mistakes needlessly is really bad. And is a mockery to human evolution.
@@demonic4297 i agree. If someones wrong, and they don’t learn, then i Will correct Them, and it’s their fault. They just shouldn’t be stupid. If people stopped being stupid, then i would stop correcting people.
@@Jonas_Albert if only it were that simple. That approch only works with humans not monke'sXD
And we live in a society of monke's, weather we like it or not. My advice is to do what you want to do. If you want to correct them for own conscience then do so. But if you don't want to then don't do it even if it makes you feel guilt. Trust me, greater people have tried and failed. Focus on improving yourself and steer clear of such people and from the crossfire of their wrong decisions.
"You have to do stuff in life, apparently"
every INTP ever : "really ?!"
"You have stuff to do in life,apparently "
INTP:I'm sorry,but says who exactly?!
@@demonic4297 My first instinct is to assume an ExTJ
jokes on you i don\t have a life
@@genericgamer1319 yes
@@demonic4297 Or let life do stuff to you. This may be more productive than some of the stuff I worked hard at with futile results.
"In a world run by idiot's,it's hard to find motivation"-INTP
All the more true right now.
@@chairmanrexton956 I'll drink to that.
Such a great quote. I've had aspirations of becoming leader of my country... but some of my INTP traits have held me back... 1) I dislike Public Speaking (especially at that large scale), (2) I don't like meeting people in large crowds, (3) I've thought of many ways of doing a good job at it, but have procrastinated attempting to pursue the first step towards that goal (probably a lack of confidence there), (4) I'd have to become better at speaking/understanding/debating in French, (5) On a another Love Who video on MBTI types as leaders... he placed the INTP type in more of an advisory position to the leader (instead of the leader position)... which I won't mostly disagree with.
@@steveg6199 Then find someone that can cover your flaws and then elevate them to the leader position with you as their primary advisor.
@@steveg6199 Leaders get a lot of negative attention and no one remembers who their advisors are.
My motto as an INTP: I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.
Very good motto
@@Mariri.X0X0 I like your for writing this loooong comment
Nicely put!
I like that.
Hey that’s what I always say in my native language :)
As an INTP, I resolved a lot by not caring what people believe in. I value my opinions and keep them for myself unless (and only when) someone asks for it. At some point, almost inevitably so, people will be in the wrong and wonder why they did not see it coming. It takes some patience, but eventually people notice the consistency of the INTP's logic. It's like looking at children learning how to walk, you look at them smiling at their clumsiness.
Brilliant! (It took me a long time starting to be a bit more okay with not caring what people believe in...even if/when that gets them into trouble that could have been preventing if I shared my perspective/observation/"solution")
Honestly I always try to help people by giving them more logical approaches and thoughts I say it once and they obviously don’t understand so I’m just thinking "um okay I hope you learn eventually" and never talk about it again 🤓🚶
I am teenage intp so I am a junior in some way but yeah I struggle with it I want people to notice my beliefs and ideas
@@saralsaini119 Same here except I'm a sophomore
"There are more important things in life than being right."
We both know that's a lie.
I agree, there is something wrong with this statement
@@prakharanand5760 Actually, since the quote says "being right" and not "thinking you are right" then in that case spiros tselentis' quote is 100% correct. whether what you say is wrong or right does not influence any part of his or nathan't quote. But then again, there might be sth more important we don't know about yet.
@@prakharanand5760 untrue and wrong are 2 different things
Exactly
🤣…old INTP here…in the rear view mirror…hold the “ right” cards close. It’s results that matter in the end and to achieve “ right ends”, practical strategies come into play, which entails working with people that can’t or won’t use logic to analyze the right or wrong of their positions. Don’t let that derail progress.
“you have to do stuff in life, apparently”
me, trying to figure out what i want to do as a job/in life and making absolutely no progress: 👁👄👁
This hurts because i can relate 100%
I KNOW RIGHT
Maybe I can help, as an INTP I’ve always been a computer nerd and we INTPs are great at Coding, Teaching, Advising, and Tutoring. Also Bill Gates and Elon Musk are INTPs as well. Bill Gates has brought the Computer to bigger heights, Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos couldn’t do that. Elon Musk created his first ver computer game at the age of 12 and Was able to crate things such as Cars and Space rockets. We are also great at Art and We have a knack for remember a whole hours worth of info and describing it correctly, that’s how Bill and Elon figured out how to make Computers and Cars, read up on any kind of Electronic or Invention and I guarantee you too can be amazing!
Being serious here, if you really don't like interacting with people all the time(which is kinda obvious for us INTPs), just learn coding and get a job. The pay's good, you will be sticking to your beloved laptop all day. Try it out!
So... did you figure it out?
"When you are waiting, you're actually intending to do something"
Not an INTP, but this hit home.
Kind regards,
A PROcrastinator. 😬
Are you implying there would possibly be CONTRAcrastinators? Seems useful. Interesting idea. I need to ponder..
@@ReatusJuilfs Yes, indeed! 🧐😁
@@SimoneEppler "The fact I procrastinate and still get things done is why I still procrastinate" that is the way of the PROcrastinator. Then again some ppl manage to procrastinate, and not manage to do a 3 month long assignment in 1 hour, the day before the deadline and get A
@@vagthegamer7429 true!
LOL. I think that most INTPs do intend on "doing something" eventually. When? Maybe not soon...
Definitely failed at the one thing I was put on this earth to do which may be a blessing in disguise
I’m INTP, I tend to fall into the unhealthy side now and then… “Precision beats power, and timing beats speed” Super useful quote for me, love it!
I heard that quote from Conor McGregor. Man I used to be so obsessed with MMA at one point
@@creepkafka4832 Nathan said the quote is from "a notorious individual". Could've meant McGregor but surely someone came out with this quote before him.
Think you should take the test again and answer honestly this time love.
@@Black.Sabbath you doubt her personality type based on profile? amateur
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INTPs love the theoretical and book learning. If there's something an INTP doesn't understand, it must be understood to the INTP's satisfaction, often that means entirely, in every intellectual way. They are often self motivated in this way. Unfortunately the INTP often lacks the practical experience to go along with the theoretical book knowledge and this is something an ISTP will often beat them over the head with and the INTJ will simply shake their head at the inefficiency of having wasted time perusing knowledge that is only practical when playing trivia games. A healthy INTP will understand there is more to learning than books and get out and put that knowledge to practical experience. Eventually that deeper, fuller understanding can even be used to help people in that wise, sage sort of way, but the boundaries of the comfort zone must first and always be challenged.
Thanks, you gave me a new personality to hunt for and observe lol -intp
INTP being an INTP: The more I read and by read I mean listened.
Dogmatically open minded is definitely a trait I've seen. It's the process that people are dogmatic about, rather than the ideas.
Other people can't deal with it, they just want to roll 1-3 concepts around in their head 🤪
Yeahh, I had that conversation with my INFJ aunt. She says, "Would you rather be right or happy?" like she was giving me something new to talk about. "Right," I say immediately. "NO!" She exclaims. "So, being right is wrong?" I ask. "Yes," she nods as she takes the bait. "Well, if that's true, then that means that the statement is wrong and creates a paradox, which proves the statement incorrect." She didn't like that.
The best answer is "Both". Then just tell a reason in a playful manner.
EDIT: If you're a cheeky rascal, this is another best approach. "I don't need to choose. I'm smart enough to know that I can be right most of the time, and happy enough since you're my aunt."
-INTP (always dealing with F types)
@@jankyyard5610 Aw that cheeky answer is actually really sweet, I love that
As an INFJ, I will never say "yes" to the "are you saying being right is wrong?". That causes so much confusion 😂
I'll just say "Being right is a great thing indeed but trying to prove/show to people that you're right (in a matter they're sensitive about) and ruining the relationship in the process will make you unhappy. Just be cautious"
I've definitely learned in conversation that you get far more of your own ideas and thoughts across through posing them as questions to people. For instance, if I think someone is not seeing the bigger picture: "I haven't thought about this issue in that way, I tend to be concerned with this aspect that just makes it rub the wrong way. What do you think about that?"
Yes! This is very effective at making people feel like you're seeking their input, rather than trying to just change their mind.
"I haven't thought about this issue in that way"
Lying to coddle feelings like that, doesn't sit right with me, as an intp, lmao.
OF COURSE i've thought of it, and in the rare instance where i haven't thought of it, MY opinion gets changed. Working around the absence of intellectual integrity in other people feels like beating around the bush, INFINITELY... It's insanity, i CAN'T bring myself to do it. xD
I like your profile picture
@@MyouKyuubi It's not about coddling, it's about priming a person to be able to accept what you're bringing in instead outright rejecting it.
@@spambaconeggspamspam Yeah i get what the goal is, and yet you must still coddle emotions, in order to achieve it.
This is very accurate about always being right. As an INTP I used to loose friends and never get close to family members because I always saw their opinions as worse than mine and I had to yell about it and it would push away people. However when I studied the personality types more and how each type is smart in their own way and I look at famous INTPs who succeeded in life, successful INTPs learn that there is more to life than being right. Other INTPs wonder how do I stop wanting to correct people? Well INTPs should have solo hobbies they don’t share with anyone unless the person they meet is a good listener. For example I used to argue about my music taste and showed to everyone but then I found my own genre that I use myself and arguing stops. Again INTPs won’t be perfect in this and I still do get into arguments sometimes but reduce it enough to keep the right friends and solo do things and talk about things you’ll have in common.
Also Abraham Lincoln is VERY INTP and he represents an INTP who learned to take action. INTPs that read books about persuasion and read stories that influence them can learn to plant seeds of ways to persuade people. Lincoln used planting small seeds into people and it did work.
For me I did something kinda similar, stay quiet about an idea and do lots of research and lots of work into it and talk about the idea natural.
For example I always talk to my close friends about relationships and why they’re important in a neutral way to succeed and when they actually do get into relationship struggles they actually would listen to me about it since I’m known to be the guy that knows psychology about relationships and since I’m neutral they would just tell me knowing I didn’t pick a side
So aren u in a relationship
Nathan - You are clearly a healthy INTP. As an ENTJ, I take joy that I finished Team of Rivals before you :p
To be honest I used to do that, making people think that they discovered the solution or made the plan, but it felt like I was manipulating them. So then I tried to just be straightforward about my ideas and thoughts and that got me into a lot of arguments with people. So now I'm torn on what I should do lol
Surround yourself with people who care about making the right choice in the end more than they're afraid to be wrong in the moment, I suppose.
@@RyuuRider unfortunately that's easier said than done 😔 thanks tho
Unfortunately, when you lead with Ti, you know just how easy other people are to manipulate. For instance, the Socratic Method is actually a great weapon. Hold someone's hand through your argument and they eventually become entrapped by their own logic. I usually try to use my gifts for good because that inferior Fe aspiration but sometimes you just gotta outmaneuver another person and there's nothing wrong with that. We're all doing our best. So I guess that's my long Ne way of saying your motives are good and you have a certain skillset, don't be afraid of it.
@@ryokosp21 The gov't is doing it with bad motives, and no one has a problem with that
@@infdox9051 "Well actually" to meme a bit here, a lot of people have a problem with the government and more seem to be waking up to the issue all the time. Although, I don't actually understand how anyone ever trusts their governments. We could discuss the corrupting influence of power or the fact that Cluster B personality types are attracted to it and therefore appear in higher concentrations the further up one gets or any number of other factors but the point remains.
If anyone can change my mind about something, it’s INTPs. I’m stubborn and I find their persuasion skills impressive.
I would say they aren't persuading... just "explaining" and elaborating. What we choose to do with that info is on us.
Also, I enjoyed the grammatical implication that Abraham Lincoln is still alive. As if he's waiting in the shadows somewhere like some immortal guardian.
I may be wrong, but isn't his tense past participle, at least most of the time?
@@jinseinoowari2427 it was the "I'm not sure if he is" that gave me a chuckle.
Maybe I'm in-between healthy and unhealthy because when I encounter blatant illogical ideas I just agree and end the conversation there. I don't think it's my job to teach others, particularly strangers.
I mean you can’t force your ideas onto people so you’re not doing anything wrong. You have no obligation to them so there’s no reason to try and beat a dead horse.
When I encounter blatantly ignorant and ilogical ideas and beliefs depending on whether I care about the person or not I
state the facts and logic. Then I wait for a response. If it is on the blacklist ("my truth"/"that is so close minded"/"the goverment said it so it must be correct") or an "I am always right" attitude with no facts, I just turn on "don't give a duck" mode and end the conversation before it gets too heated. If (rare) they bring out a counter argument that is logical, I will prove what I know and disprove the counter arguement, or secretly place the matter on the "further research required" list
Instead of healthy vs. unhealthy, I tend to think in terms of having good days vs. bad days. Everyone has them. If it's a long term pattern, then yes, an unhealthy pattern becomes a rut and blah, blah blah. I definitely have to remind myself, when under stress or stressful situations, that not everyone is thinking like me -or having the same "experience". Learning how and when to detach just comes with experience. At 52, I still have those moments or days, but not weeks or months. So, there's light at the end of the tunnel. 😃
A major turning point in my life was reading an article that stated that there are 7 (i think) different types of intelligence and INTPs dont posses all. Hence, the notion that I held (which was that I was an Apex predator among ignorant human beings) was incorrect because every type has something different they bring to the table and they can naturally excel in things that INTPS can't match up to. Mechanical intelligence, Social intelligence, Emotional intelligence (this ties into social intelligence, but it should have its separate category), Nature oriented intelligence were/are all areas I struggled in. Finding these values in others alongside coming to terms with the fact that my innate desire to be autonomous was inefficient in the long run made me the best version of myself to date and made me excited to learn more about others and their giftswhich replaced a natural resentment I had towards society and people in general. ✌🕉😁🦉
Wise very wise... people are all different and it takes wisdom to know the difference. I like to met people on their level. I like them to see for themselves. I'm not a INTP person but am a INFP. People need to make up their own minds.
"which was that I was an Apex predator among ignorant human beings"
That actually sounds like something an INTJ would think, it's shallow, lacks self-awareness, and driven by stubborn egocentricism, which i believe is the primary difference between an INTP and INTJ... INTP's are usually easily capable of admitting when they don't know everything, or when they've missed a detail... INTJ's have a very hard time doing that, and almost always act as if the limited knowledge they possess, is ALL the knowledge that exists on the topic... Which is just the most absolute form of arrogance. xD
Then again, this doesn't take into account things like personality disorders, like NPD, for instance... I have no idea how that interacts with Myers-Briggs Personality types.
Anyways, good to see you figured it out though. :)
@@MyouKyuubi It was easy to admit after I became aware of it. There was no grief held. I was provided with information that made more logical sense than what I believed my entire life up to that point and my stance on the matter quite literally immediately changed. I think that arrogance is innately an INTX thing. I've tested out on about 12 different tests now and I've been informally(without my initial knowledge) as well as professionally typed as an INTP tho. I do find INTJs absolutely fantastic and I'd have preferred to have had their function stack. Procrastination, lack of motivation and willingness to act upon my many ideas are no fun lol.
Cross pollination can often be very useful :)
Could u mind to link me the article ur talking about? Or atleast give me clues please? Thx, im just intrigued
I don't know if I would call those characteristics "unhealthy" as much as I'd say they make for an ineffective approach towards getting what you want. My take on unhealthy INTPs are that they're the ones who get caught in the stranglehold of inferior Fe.
I love this.
Yeah then you get depressed and create a negative self-concept because you’re not getting what you want - who bc affects your actions making you ineffective towards getting what you want, which leads to depression and a negative self-concept because you cannot get what you want in life. Ergo physically, mentally, and spiritually unhealthy!
The thing to be considered here, are two things which would make this more indepth: INTP's analysis paralysis, and perfectionism. I would consider both present in healthy and unhealthy INTPs. So, what I would like to add to this is - there is no absolute perfect moment. You just need to know when there is a good moment to act. As for the analysis paralysis and overthinking- usually INTPs figure out a very good solution, and then dismantle it themselves. Just not undermining yourself would do an INTP good. So if you feel insecure, sleeping a night over it, or having somebody encourage you is a pretty good idea.
This was pretty helpful actually, I’ve always said to myself and other people sometimes “it feels like I’m waiting for something and I know I am”
I can see the look in their faces like my mother who is an ESTJ for instance, I see her eyes of disbelief when I say “it’s going to happen eventually”, and I understand that it definitely does not look like it, but I know it is and it will
It’s nice to see that what I’ve been feeling like is actually an INTP kind of thing
Also, it’s very difficult for INTPs to get their head around that people don’t always want the truth cause they themselves want to be proven wronging they were,, there is nothing worse than thinking something is true when it’s isn’t
MAN, good news: I felt/feel It too and I think that I started to live this moment! Its seems like im using 80% of the skills that I ""random""ning developed. I feel like almost all my preocupations/actions were the preparation for this time. What is happening: Im moving to a community! A community that demands a agriculture reform here in Brazil!
My mom is also ESTJ and our views of life are so different
"There are more important things in life than being right" We can argue about that, but this alone can't excuse someone from not changing their mind when they know they're wrong about something that matters. Lying to yourself might help you temporarily but it's terrible in the long run. Being right is better than being wrong, and so if you get the chance to correct yourself there is no reason not to. Lies are unhealthy. I'd interpret the main point of your argument is that persuading someone to be right can do more damage than someone correcting themselves can do good. Like bullying someone to agree with you that one superpower is better than the other is by no means worth it, but that is not to say that it's NEVER worth it to change someone's mind. There are important things to be right about that excuse the efforts, although you should always strive to be gentle and kind and mindful of the other person. You also can't just force someone to correct themselves nor should you, especially if you yourself can't be 100% sure you're right.
Very insightful and well aligned with my experience to influence - some times creating movement many times failing. Love your analogies - as a person involved in board sports.
If there are more important things than being right or not is subjective and depends on the situation at hand, people involved, their belief and value system and what they stand to gain and lose from said outcome. If being right on the short run causes friction and burns some bridges, oh well. It almost always proves to be more beneficial in big picture.
"Stand up for what is right, even if you stand alone."
I work with an ESTP (presumably) and he's said I'm the unhealthiest healthy person he knows. I could not disagree. - INTP
as an intp i did some deep self evaluation on myself through meditation and i found my need to be right is derived from childhood when people would judge me or treat me poorly for saying my thoughts (which most werent personal conclusions) that came off wrong to others or being physically punished by my father for things i didnt understand and wasnt given an explanation about what i did was wrong as a toddler in my deepest memories. i think and feel that i want to be right all the time to come off as competent to avoid the feeling that i will be vulnerable to consequences if im perceived as "wrong". i dont quite know where to direct this realization or what i can do for self betterment yet, but im sure ill dig deeper. thank you for your videos and giving me the feeling of a sense of community, that i am not alone, and perfectly fine the way i am. your videos give me self confidence, that theres nothing wrong with me in my sense of self and dont have to change who i am in order to feel accepted by myself and others.
This only really begins to cover the dilemma of the (unhealthy) intp … you forgot to mention the attempts to logically explain emotions, and generally very “straightforward” approach to how relationships “should” operate as a result. And the social anxiety 😥
Unfortunately this can breed suspicions in this otherwise most logical of human specimums
The waves I want to ride are a long way off and I’m not entirely sure if they will ever come at all.
Well said, definitely applies to frustrating world events where it seems that almost everyone is completely off base
@@louisejoel I constantly feel like I’m tethered to the train of mass public opinion and dragged down the tracks.There’s no place for nuance in a mob. It gets worse if the problem is so large that huge scores of people simply follow simple rules for survival and they act more like swarms of birds wheeling around the sky in some strange synchronised madness.
"There's no place for nuance in a mob."
That. Thanks.
The waves comes just after you start to be more with the people that you truly respect. And theeen, after they give you enough "real data/ real feedbacks" you can relate with anyone in the world. And then you will start to feel and see the waves that you can create and relate.
@@rafaelbarretodossantos2383 I’m not sure. I feel like the strangest person in the world most of the time. I find that nobody wants to discuss things like suicide possibly being a evolutionary adaptation. They would rather talk about the weather.
This has helped me immensely. I recently learned that I'm most likely an INTP (thought I was an INTJ for like 17 years lol) and it really pivoted alot for me internally. To hear this helps me see im more healthy than I thought progressing in ways I wasnt even aware of. Im deeply spiritual as much as I am logical so hearing about timing and reading waves really thrilled me, for a while I felt alot of what I understand would be difficult to explain because it usually feels so..."before its time" so silence has always been the choice if im not questioned or challenged. Thank you lots 💓
Interesting timing. I just joined an INTP group online to learn more about INTPs and now you come out with this video.
You did not take into account the mental ache we experience just by seeing inefficient practices or wrong statements around us. It's very hard for us to wait for the wave since we are constantly in pain. In fact, that pain is the only motive for us to speak up
This is a really excellent video. Thanks!
As an INTP married to another INTP with 2 small kids under 10 years old to care for, I’ve learned to step up and take care for them. Kids are a huge motivation. Headphones help.
An an INTP, it's strange that now, despide it being one of the most "detached" periods of my life, I feel like the world has opened itself to me. Once I rejected my own ego, which didn't happen purposefully, I have started seeing the world as a giant pool of concepts from which I can reach with my open hands. Surprisingly, I've also grown in touch with my own opinions and emotions, and have learned to respect those of others. Of course, I might never go out into the world fully, because I'm cautious, but you need some caution in life as well
Gotta say I agree with Nathan here. Being right is overvalued by INTP's (I am one). Action counts not just for more but for everything at least in terms of traditional success measures. My brother is an ENTJ and the quality of his ideas are far inferior than mine. His views on many topics are not well developed or well informed. And yet he achieves far more than I do, because I study too much and act too little. He works up to 130hrs/wk. I read up on 130 topics. He is forceful with his ideas, totally confident and politically shrewd. I avoid games and generally feel the need for more and more information before I feel confident of taking action, which comes to slowly and am easily distracted by the next idea.
A man of action and few thoughts will get ahead of a man of ideas and no action. If for no other reason than he will get the benefit of experience, learn and correct before you're even out of the gate.
@LoveWho INFP here. Every video about my type is explained so eloquently by you. Like you know me better than most. My husband is an INTP. He is forever playing devil's advocate in conversation whether he takes that side or not. Also, he never believes that I truly don't like something (food, art, music) unless I've experienced it at least three times. It's exhausting but I do admire his tenacity.
As an INTJ, the unhealthy INTP archetype resonates with me somewhat.
Really?then maybe being unhealthy in this situation is not a bad thing afterall!
They're each other's shadow
@@jordydrop I think you mean ENTJ.
Beautiful. Unfortunately, the real world considers our persistent curiosity, second-guessing, and wordplay as "trolling." 😭😈
I have to agree with you about being right. In general, it is most important to be right- not in the way a lot of people want to be right, which is to to be perceived as right even if detrimentally wrong, but in the way that one should study, learn, grow and reach the conclusion that is actually correct. However, there are times when things are not "right". The solution to a problem that someone comes up with is terrible, the assumption is crap, etc. But, sometimes it is right enough to get the job done. I gave one example of this somewhere already. I will tell you another.
My second-eldest sister and my (elder than me) brother were assigned, along with myself, to clean a room. She had very wrong ideas of how to do it and kept interrupting our work that, if we had been left alone, would have resulted in everything being accomplished in a timely and efficient manner. She was driving us crazy, throwing fits, demanding to get her way, so he and I had a brief discussion to make sure we were both on the same page, and then we just started letting her think we were listening to her. It did add more time on to the work and make it less efficient by far, but not as much as if we had actually listened to her. So it was not "right", in any sense. Neither of us enjoyed lying to her or giving her an ego problem that would have to be deflated later in life, which we weren't even sure could be done. But, it got the work done with less interruptions of her screaming and running to Mom to get her to force us to do things the wrong way.
I have learned to never argue with a person. It itcks them off and makes them feel threatened. You won't convince them if they have taken a stance because it is not important to be right but to be percieved as such. If you are certain you are right and they are fools, just smile and walk on. It is not worth the social damage to continue to engage.
Ur my favorite mbti channel . Keep up the good work ❤️❤️ I wanted to suggest an mbti ranking about the most extroverted/introverted types!!!
Excellent video and analysis! I hope you have ideas for doing this for other types at some point!
“There are more important things to life than being right”
If that’s true, wouldn’t that make this statement “right”? If that’s the case, wouldn’t I be adhering to the advice by NOT following it? 😆
But by not following it you are following it.
As an INTP, I appreciate this advice and will try to incorporate it in my life and relationships with people
Strongly agreed altho the first point took me the longest to learn and was the hardest. I only agree with it because it gives good practical results when applied to human interaction.
I’ve found it’s worthwhile adding my often broader spiderweb of knowledge: most are offended by impersonality, it takes away their woolly beliefs but I see they need time to process my clangers their pride having been hurt initially I observe I have influenced a change later. But it sucks when they adopt the idea/problem solving info I imparted and claim it as their own. .I’m not expecting credit, only some respect or even apology…. Another wish is if only people I meet gave me the same insights ; it’s not their fault it only goes one way lol! So, I go off and read to mentally dialogue with minds that stretch my thinking. It’s deeply comforting to get back to fresh thinking.
Can't wait for the other videos 🙏
Congrats on 100k !!!!
Happy 100k subscribers! 👏🏻🎊🎉
Great video I agree with thee concepts
The Lincoln strategy works great, I've done it multiple times at work when seeing a major project or thing having to go in a typically unpopular direction, instead of using my previous method of telling it how it is immediately (which usually goes badly cause people hate being wrong
/made look stupid), I now take weeks sowing the seeds I'm the minds of sometimes multiple people.
"But you have to do stuff in life, apparently."
Direct hit, Captain!
Excellent content.
Just as a quote "the truth is always true, but the truth is not always right".
I guess to give context to this quote, it means: yes, the truth will always remain true, but the truth is not always the right option in every situation.
:D This is really good! Hoping to see ENTPs next :)
Also challenges each type has to conquer to become better functioning, well adjusted and to realistically and practicality pursue their interests and get results
i honestly think truth is still important and being right is still important however its not important for every person to agree to it bc they are different and you just have to let them be you can't do anything abt it and move on,, Like i still want to be right but not in the sense that 'they are wrong' but in the sense that 'i want to know enough and cross-check enough to know and say that this is the best possible way to deal with this situation'
This is so honest that you can think
"Yes INTP should do that so relatable"
Without even being an INTP
INTP, something I would add to the unhealthy side is waiting for the opportune time, then missing it because it feels slightly off. On the plus side, knowing how to force an issue is very helpful, as you can create opportunity for your designs if you do a little social engineering. (Yes that is more of a learned behavior than our natural state, yes it hurts every time.)
Congrats on 100K subs!!
This is one of the best videos on INTPs by one of the best, if not the best, MBTI channels. I have come to the same conclusions after many years of thinking about this stuff. Therefore, Nathan, you must be right 🙂
The P in INTP stands for PROcrastination.
- An INTP who's watching this instead of studying.
I've learnt from life lessons that being right isn't everything, nowadays "agreeing to disagree" is a default position, thought I do still fall into the trap If wanting to correct people sometimes. My most unhealthy trait is being passive and indecisive, and I procrastinate, a lot. But I also have ADHD, so I'm sure that plays a role.
Nathan,
This is SPOT ON. Your insights are frankly mind blowing. I'm grateful for you.
I think being right isn’t one of my unhealthy habits tbh, I rarely ever feel that I’m right 🥲 I’ll be very sure of something and once somebody doubts me, I start to doubt as well and my “yes, definitely” answers become “I’m not sure” because I have a problem with absolute certainties lol. More often than not, I’m actually right, but now people are doubting because even I doubt myself (I know this is just an INTP thing to doubt everything, but it comes across as insecurity sometimes).
Good one.
I've known for some time I'm predominantly in the unhealthy camp. Getting out of it alone is proving, tricky.
@01:52
As an INTP who was the cause of several failed relationships, this one was a hard pill to swallow when I realized it, but after you do and properly internalize it, my god does a lot of stress just melt away.
02:50 + Abe bit
As an INTP with ADHD who thrives in crisis situations, I really like hearing this whole section, it's given me a few ideas on how to approach things at work. I got over my ego issues a years ago (there's still the occasional 'validate my intellect' tantrum), but I'm generally pretty happy to hand things off to other people and provide guidance/support when it's needed.
I try and greet everyone with a happiness and gratitude that I can't really explain.
I think, on a personal level, the best way to leverage INTP's analytical skills and diverse interest set is learning to organize so that you can prioritize objectives...rather than just timing ideas on their own, you have to have a bunch of ideas in your pocket. It's been a challenge and it's taken me years to realize this -- but literally writing them down has been a tool that has been incredibly helpful and I find myself doing more and accomplishing more...and, ironically, having more time to think rather than stew about aimlessly.
Getting bogged down into analysis paralysis is one of those things that feeds into feelings of apathy and which feeds back into the paralysis, it's like an ouroboros; the only way to break that is to start to compartmentalize ideas and put them in order. I believe, as a mature INTP, having the expectations or at least the optimism that people will eventually imbued themselves to your ideas and ideals, and much less, having the opportunity to coordinate them for an opportune time is...well... overly optimistic. I think it's okay to have an ego and working unilaterally when you can, hoping others will catch wind and work with you, otherwise, while I appreciate playing the long game, you may be stuck there waiting...forever.
So excited for the other types!😁😁
Thanks for that I totally agree
Awesome! This resonates well with me. Chicken soup for the INTP soul. Subscribed. :^)
Congrats on 100 dude
It's nice seeing my fellas 🤠
“ there are more important things in life, than being right” couldn’t be any more true! At a certain point I got tired of trying to be seen as the one in the right.
1) How the hell is making some idiot understand that they are wrong benefit me and my future? Did my wallet get richer? House get bigger? Car get nicer? No. Therefore, it is completely illogical for me to try to reason with someone who doesn’t value logic.
2) Getting someone to understand that they are wrong, particularly someone who is an idiot, is very emotionally draining. Kills my social battery. And I’m not spending my social battery arguing with someone just for me to forget about the interaction shortly down the line.
I used to know an unhealthy and indecisive INTP with (mostly unrealistic) ideas all over the place, constantly changing everything up with no strategy in place. I could not get anything meaningful and groundbreaking done for them as they were extremely indecisive and didn't know what they want. One year later and they still have not moved forward with their brand. And that's because they don't listen and refuse to spend money but most of all, don't know what their ultimate goal is. For a result and challenge focused INFJ like me who wants to get things done and move forward (rather aggressively, I must admit) this raging unbalanced Ne is a nightmare. My Fe can't take it, this is your company, you need to be happy with the outcome, but decide what you fucking want. I do love INTPs in general however, one of my best friends is. They do however have the tendency to be all over the place with many unrealistic ideas. So there's when an INFJ needs to step in for balance and say: funnel! So success is actually when the message arrives :) And when Ne and Ni can work hand in hand.
I often feel as though I possess the truth, but I never feel as though I own it.
In my opinion even healthy INTP's should practice a little bit of dogmatism every now then. Here's my reasoning for it,
The mind of an intp similar to that of a horse's eyesight.Has a very wide range and spooks the horse with the slightest unknown factor, hence making it impossible to use the horse for most situations. But put some horse tacs/blinkers on the horse's eyes and he'll easily be able to move forward without being overwhelmed by it's surroundings. It may not be most enjoyable option for INTP's but it helps them from stagnating in every situation.
not a bad analogy, have a thumbs up. :3
So, turn us into Si slaves?
@@kevrokka.d.9749 more like taking a spell with a wide area damage but very little range and concentrating it into a piercing strike that can punch through just about anything and has far greater range.
@@demonic4297 I can accept that.
This is a good one to apply to cleaning up
This video confirmed my suspicions about being an unhealthy INTP. Thanks for the advice, Nathan.
I generally avoid arguing because
1) People are not ready to listen (mostly).
2) Who would like to ruin friendship/relations between 2 people because of a small argument.
It IS amazing what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit. Ego just gets in the way. Of everything. It's more satisfying to move forward.
It's difficult though to let that ego go, especially because it's unfair to allow other people to take credit for your ideas. I don't even think it's an ego problem to want credit for something you did. It's just a matter of fairness. Lots of things come with credit, such as job promotions for example
@@absent72 I agree. I think it's okay to want credit for ideas and hard work, but to some, that becomes the most important thing until it starts overriding everyone elses needs or feelings. That's when it becomes counterproductive. For me, in the grand scheme of things the well being of the group is more important.
Probably best life advice ever.
Your rock solid logic, is a seed to be planted, not a stone to bash-in someone's brain.
Ok so here's how I see it from the perspective of an INTP/INFP. This whole thing happens when people rely on their strengths too much.
Quite a lot of people think they can just say things without making sure they're actually right, without asking questions, and they're quite self-assured in that approach, which often results in a bad misunderstanding between people that can disrupt peace and harmony. When they get called out for spreading a falsehood, they deny it and double down, some even resort to wild accusations, etc. This isn't always their response, but it's a very noticable pattern as you correctly point out. And then they'll just shove it under the rug, never bringing it up again unless it's to double down one more time. They won't admit to being wrong, they won't apologize for their behavior, nothing. Or at least very rarely so. And the people around them also usually think that behavior is acceptable.
In contrast, if someone doesn't "read the room" and says something rude and inconsiderate, this is sort of the equivalent to the first example, but instead in regards to emotions/harmony rather than honesty/truth. In this way, it's basically the flipped script: it's how INTPs cause the same disruption of peace and harmony that misinformed/dishonest people do towards truth-seeking people. In such a situation, will INTPs realize their mistake and apologize? Not most of the time, and certainly not right away, because they value honesty, and they were being honest. They don't understand (or care) that with their honesty may come rudeness, and this rudeness is unnecessary and disruptive. They can either say the same thing in a more productive way, or just not say it at all and look for an alternative path. But instead they deny and double down. It's the same lesson that dishonest people need to learn (who overvalue harmony as compared to truth) when they need to learn not to be too quick to say things just because it feels right, while INTPs they need to learn to "read the room" or just not risk being rude sometimes.
Another important point: everyone is either dishonest or rude sometimes. We need to mature, practice taking a step back and reflecting on our actions. I'm pretty certain that I've been able to heal some frictions I've had with my family by making an effort to show that I actually do care about their feelings and I've apologized sometimes for being needlessly rude. This is very hard to do. But you do difficult things for the people you care about, that's how they know that you do in fact care and they can trust you even if you slip up at times.
INFP here... I observe way more than I talk. I don't care for arguing as some people call debating. My dishonesty comes in the form of passive aggressiveness because I wasn't able to tell people how I really felt. I don't know if this fits your explanation.
@@tracyzimmerman7912 Right, passive aggressiveness is also a tactic. Stating the extreme opposite of perceived reality, thus expressing discontent. A phrase like "well you certainly have it all figured out, Mr. Can-do-no-wrong" is not merely a sarcastic comment pointing out absurdity, but also a jab at the person, avoiding to express a direct insult like "you're such an unfathomably stupid ahole".
Does this fall under the same umbrella of dishonesty? Perhaps in some way it could be, yeah. I haven't thought about it in this way before, but the psychology of communication can be quite complex, so I think it can be considered :)
That being said, I think passive aggressiveness tends to be used when open communication has already been derailed (in the eyes of at least one person). So maybe it depends on the situation, whether or not it should be considered a form of dishonesty or instead an attempt to return to sanity/harmony.
your voice is so soothing I watch your videos as I sleep lol.
That's a compliment btw
I’m an INTP and currently in the middle of trying to solve a big problem caused by a group of bureaucrats who aren’t interested in the cause of the problem and trying to manipulate my wife and I with feelings. It’s driving me crazy because we can’t reason with these people.
If they're bureaucrats, they are 100% aware of what they're doing, they are intentionally, and maliciously manipulating you... Call them on it, and investigate them for corruption. : /
@@MyouKyuubi You’re absolutely right, they know what they’re doing. We think we’ve discovered some child abuse going on at an orphanage, and they seem to be actively ignoring it. We’re getting a lawyer involved which might help, but the cops in the country where we live are useless so we don’t really expect much from them. At the same time, these bureaucrats will black-ban us from adopting any children if we don’t accept the deeply troubled child who we originally thought was ok. He needs help beyond what we can provide.
INTPs. We may not always be right, but we certainly will put in the effort to be wrong.
I think this series will be helpful for me. I've spent more time as unhealthy emotionally than healthy to the point that I have an easier time identifying traits I've struggled with as opposed to things I'm actually good at. I think this is why I struggle with finding which cognitive functions rank the highest for me. The moment I connect with one, a little voice in the back of my mind tells me that I'm thinking too highly of myself and should keep looking.
This seems like a high Fi comment 🤔
Maybe INFP, ENFP, ISFP? My guess is INFP
@@spring7643 I've mostly settled on INFP yes. I needed to stop digging too deeply into this subject recently because to many people in this community keep making black and white statements about types and it started causing me spiral into an obsession of "I'm not good enough to be this type, am I actually something else entirely?" I only got into MBTI because I wanted to better understand myself and figure out what weak points I still had to learn to overcome. Apparently I still need to learn to not take other peoples half @$$ opinions so seriously.
@@Takisan111 The loud majority uses stereotypes, but there are some people (Nathan is one) who only use cognitive functions. Mbti is only cognitive functions. People who don't care about learning will default to using stereotypes. I studied mbti for a long time before I fully understood it and now it's fun.
This video feels like a slap in my face. I can not fathom letting someone believe some dumb nonsense and bullshit i viscerally need to tell them the facts. But its almost never ends well because people think im trying to prove im better but i just want them to think critically and to see reality
6:14 precision beats power and timing beats speed - the notorious 😏
What is important being a subjective thing one might say it's objectively true that it's the most important thing to INTPs who subjectively value this as the most important thing.
To many INTPs 'people being wrong' = millions of people being wrong in the same way = undermining humanity = most important thing.
This is due to our empathy and affinity for humanity as a whole as opposed to individuals.
Once again, very informative video!
Also, congrats on 100K! 🥳
Thanks ☺️
"There are more important things than being right"
Yes, which is to be wise. And in order to be wise, you have to be right.
At the important things, at least.
I thought true wisdom is knowing that one doesn't really know but living despite it all?