*Plays a fairly solid deck and wins a game *loses to one of the most broken decks in Hearthstone "As you can see, Warlock just isn't a good class right now"
BigDan 66 actually he played like 9 games on stream and lost 5 of them, at rank 15, so either he really sucks at playing the deck(very likely) or the deck does suck
gamer7916 I think that this specific deck is not good. People are too afraid to play Lakkari Felhounds and Doomguards, but they really work wonders with Bloodreaver Guldan.
Well, it's time for a retrospective. Lakkari Felhound really wasn't played, even with the Skull of the Manari. However, Doomguard was played with Skull of the Manari, as well as Voidlord, and became one of the most oppressive decks in the meta. This deck just didn't work in KotFT meta. Honestly, KotFT really only added the death knight cards into the meta - a few of those became oppressive, but it doesn't appear as if this expansion added that much until Kobolds. What a fascinating retrospective.
I don't get why so many people are bitching about him being wrong on Warlock, he completely correctly predicted Druid, saying that Ultimate Infestation would be a broken 2-of while everyone was laughing at him. He also mentioned that, if control warlock will end up working, then all these cards would end up being 5 stars aswell.
Rexels Tom thats a pretty beast pull man.. i pulled garrosh warrior dk.. from the prologue.. feels bad man.. trying to make a tempo enrage warrior type of deck and it has potential.. but.. its not all that good.. maybe we'll have to go control? Hmm..
Out of my very very first kft pack i got Golden Bloodreaver Gul'dan. I also hope this deck stays meta.. cuz i,m playing a slightly other version of it right now.. From the prologue i got Valeera the Hollow.. amazing dk with jade rouge...
I remember when they made Rexxar's gold from (500 wins) a darker gold color because it was to easy to get with face hunter. Those were good times. And of course Dr. Boom times
That's absolutely right, my bad. I remember Kripparian saying it was intended, but it seems he didn't look it up. Here's the tweet that confirms it was a bug: twitter.com/ywoo_dev/status/610602969373868032
"That's the best you'll ever see that deck do..." - Trump I remember when he said that about Quest Rogue... and then Quest Rogue ran rampant over everyone.
Yeah, my miracle rogue deck with the rogue DK was by far out performing my warlock DK deck. maybe there will be a new deck to build it in later, but for now, it just seems crap. Apparently it's OP at lower levels.
I don't know if your point about midrange shaman was valid... while it wasn't technically an aggro deck, it often felt like one when played against a control deck.
I keep trying to find a spot for twilight drake in this deck, either rotating out drain soul or happy ghoul. I also swapped a hellfire for an elise. It just doesn't feel right not to play this like handlock
I also play this deck, discovered it few days ago. Enjoyed it a lot, but the winrate is not the highest. If you don't care about winning that much it is very fun deck!
I love playing warlocks; the mechanics are just so heckin' fun 🐶. Gotta try this one. But, ugh, gotta spend that sweet sweet dust and make the Lich King. I'd like to have it anyway, so it's not a huge sacrifice.
I run a version of this deck that's a bit heavier and runs Elise and I find it does much better against the heavier decks out there at the moment. The happy ghoul package just isn't good enough.
i played a very similar deck but in wild so had better low cost drops like imp gang boss insteed of happy ghoul. and my deck is amazing. i run doomguard and the 4 drop that have deathrattle to summon a demon from your hand ! works awesome :)
Actually, control decks are really cool (imo) and what this entire expansion is about, save token decks, evolve shaman and pirates. Every class has a new DK fantasy where they aggressively take control of the game in their own way. I feel like my chances of winning are being frozen solid over time when I play against Frost Lich Jaina whch I'm pretty sure is what they were going for thematically. Zombeasts are awesome, Anduin killing everything and then you with his hero power is rad, uther is a baller with big bois, and each other DK has its own unique flavor and flair. I really hope they stay in the meta for a long time and that control games are the norm for at least a full set. Aggro is fun and all but control really hasn't taken over the meta since season 1.
So for one the time when shaman basic was the meta it was a midrange deck with overpowered early game minion particularly tunnel trog and totem golem and yes it was terrible cus they gave one class way to much stuff
I dont think anyone is actually hating on him. I just think that he makes too quick of a decision and calls cards unplayable. He rated all Warlock cards 1 star, and 90% of the Hunter cards 1 star, saying they were unplayable simply because he couldnt see a way they could be effective. Meanwhile, in the "real world" of Hearthstone, just today I have faced SEVEN different mill rogues, running NO expansion cards... Too many people net deck. Theres no talent to net decking...
I stopped playing hearthstone because 90% of the people I was going up against were playing net decks. It got a little too monotonous for me. Still love watching people play because I don't have to get too invested.
Im not saying Hunter is the "best deck". If you would have read my entire post, you might have the intelligence to realize that. Or, I could be mistaken about your ability to read...
A control only meta is gonna show up if druid gets nerfed. He's the only one with a decent aggro deck right now. I played a value priest V priest game earlier. I played fatigue priest he played n'zoth/dragon. So much fun we both had an insane amount of value
you always want two ultimate infestations in jade. WIth that and two nourish you can burn out your entire deck at lightning speed without having to setup a gadgetzan, and start drawing jade idol 7/7+ minions super fast.
Is kinda risky to have nourish too , there is the" destroy jade idol" card that may punish you. Anyway i agree infestation is really great , even if it burns you a card or two is worth most of the times , just like army of the dead.
I'm afraid Trump is right about the Priest DK, without Raza it is super weak, so unless next year comes another card to cheat out hero powers, it will see no play. Priest just clears situational stuff (including his own) and deals 2 damage on turn 10. Without the discount, it is a trash tier hero power compared to other DKs, play a 6 mana or lower card to activate it twice, otherwise it is literally Shadowform. Activating it 3 or more times without discount in the lategame is pretty much impossible, as it requires you to play 2 cards with a combined cost of 4.
I do not have: Defile 2x Happy Ghoul 2x Siphon Soul 2x The Lich King Wich of these are not necessery and can be replaced with a card. Can you tell me wich card tho.. I have Ysera for The Lich King tho..
Evil Heckler all required except perhaps lich king and I suppose you can get rid of siphon soul for another straight up removal card, twisting nether perhaps or doom and BB?
I refuse to believe Control Warock is bad, Defile is stupid OP and Despicable Dreadlord is an amazing card against agro, a few unlucky games does not mean the deck is terrible, it will take some refinement but Control Warlock *WILL* be a tier 2 deck _at least!_
I find Handlock boring, I much prefer the playstyle of control; Removing minions every turn with AOE, gaining health, playing huge minions that don't require taunt givers to be worth a damn.
This deck is actually not all that expensive. I have all of the cards except the two legendaries. Will try this one out as I have missed playing a more controlish Warlock that uses strong demons.
People who complain that aggro exists seem to forget about the fact that not everyone is stupid enough to spend hundreds of dollars of a digital card game. Interesting decks will always be locked behind a paywall, and for budget/F2P players they're incentivized to craft broadly powerful cards that work in multiple decks. If you spend your dust for the expansion on one cool deck that falls out of the meta, you're fucked. Pirate Warrior is an investment that's paid off for many F2P players.
Really wanted WL to be great again so I crafted this deck. Turns out my hopes for WL this expension are now very low :'( Played around 20 games and maybe won 3-4. WL wins total ~700 ranked games Ended up at rank 20.
ajaw this deck is great, couple changes I made to it and I have over a 70% winrate, would be higher if I understood exactly how to play it when I first started!
Just putting in my two cents on the aggro argument. The thing that happens when everyone has to play a control deck, is that every game lasts thirty minutes. And a lot of people don't want every game lasting thirty minutes. Furthermore, aggro decks are usually a lot cheaper, so most of the f2p people will latch on to them, keeping the playerbase higher.
After the pirate meta came in all of my friends left the game , and noone of them spent money on the game . Also doesn't have to be 2015 controll warrior to be called control , there ahave been dozens of great cheap decks wich wren't aggro but people didn't play them , instead face hunter was the metà , nobody who plays that kind of deck can have fun yet even climbing ranks they wll never go to any places since no tournament can be won by spamming a single aggro deck.
Google Sucks YES actually he is i have already seen some warlock deck lists make it to legend... and i believe after jade idol gets nerfed "which will happen in a few months at this rate" warlock will be tier 1
Trump would be a great Blizzard employee: "You don't want a control meta. You think you do, but you don't."
"Only a fool rejects the Lich King!"
A madman, you might say
remember when quest rouge was a one star deck LUL
schinken retter it still is
First Last after nerf
after nerf it is
but oh boy was it not fun to fight against it
remember when trump said that priest won't see play
What is this rouge class you're talking about?
*Plays a fairly solid deck and wins a game
*loses to one of the most broken decks in Hearthstone
"As you can see, Warlock just isn't a good class right now"
BigDan 66 actually he played like 9 games on stream and lost 5 of them, at rank 15, so either he really sucks at playing the deck(very likely) or the deck does suck
gamer7916 I think that this specific deck is not good. People are too afraid to play Lakkari Felhounds and Doomguards, but they really work wonders with Bloodreaver Guldan.
Seems like the handlock variant is way better...surprised Trump isn't all over that.
a kazakus deck with lakkari, doomguard and Krul is really nice imo
Well, it's time for a retrospective.
Lakkari Felhound really wasn't played, even with the Skull of the Manari.
However, Doomguard was played with Skull of the Manari, as well as Voidlord, and became one of the most oppressive decks in the meta.
This deck just didn't work in KotFT meta.
Honestly, KotFT really only added the death knight cards into the meta - a few of those became oppressive, but it doesn't appear as if this expansion added that much until Kobolds.
What a fascinating retrospective.
Playing one star decks?
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watertower500 :D O
I don't get why so many people are bitching about him being wrong on Warlock, he completely correctly predicted Druid, saying that Ultimate Infestation would be a broken 2-of while everyone was laughing at him.
He also mentioned that, if control warlock will end up working, then all these cards would end up being 5 stars aswell.
God please help this deck stay meta, DK Guldan was the only one I pulled.
Please let this deck stay meta because its finally a cheap to craft control deck that seems to do better
Rexels Tom thats a pretty beast pull man.. i pulled garrosh warrior dk.. from the prologue.. feels bad man.. trying to make a tempo enrage warrior type of deck and it has potential.. but.. its not all that good.. maybe we'll have to go control? Hmm..
Fire Bat was playing a Control Warrior deck with it. Seems really fun.
Out of my very very first kft pack i got Golden Bloodreaver Gul'dan.
I also hope this deck stays meta.. cuz i,m playing a slightly other version of it right now..
From the prologue i got Valeera the Hollow.. amazing dk with jade rouge...
It isn't looking good at higher ranks. This deck's winrate tanks super hard rank 10 and up.
15:25 feels like salt
showcases 1 loss, and still says the deck is unplayable... lol
He showcased 1, probably played 10 more. He probably didn't want the video to be 2 hours long.
I remember when they made Rexxar's gold from (500 wins) a darker gold color because it was to easy to get with face hunter. Those were good times. And of course Dr. Boom times
Agge Lingon Bagge did that really happen?
pedro kreutz It did. And they literally said they were doing it because it was too easy. They were right.
Did they, now? It seems to me they actually said it was unintended and going to be fixed. Any sources?
That's absolutely right, my bad. I remember Kripparian saying it was intended, but it seems he didn't look it up. Here's the tweet that confirms it was a bug: twitter.com/ywoo_dev/status/610602969373868032
11:53 Tsuntrump
B-baka! It's not like I liked your comment or anything
"That's the best you'll ever see that deck do..." - Trump
I remember when he said that about Quest Rogue... and then Quest Rogue ran rampant over everyone.
I have had the most succes with Kolento's control warlock , farming druids like crazy 1Star!
I love the singleton Anduin deck - I don't know how GOOD it is, but it's a lot of fun to play and that's enough for me.
I would like to see more games while the expansion is new and the decks are fresh, please
Last game has pretty much been my experience with the deck. Warlock, hard countered by Priest. Strange times.
Yeah, my miracle rogue deck with the rogue DK was by far out performing my warlock DK deck.
maybe there will be a new deck to build it in later, but for now, it just seems crap.
Apparently it's OP at lower levels.
I thought everyone knew warlock would be op after trump rated it all 1 star...
0:52 Gee, too bad we didn't get to see that other game.
Professor putricide is just professor farnsworth in a costume.
I don't know if your point about midrange shaman was valid... while it wasn't technically an aggro deck, it often felt like one when played against a control deck.
Love the zoom ins, because im too stupid to know when to laugh that someone has to point it out for me.
I love the Warlock Cards from this Expansion
"It might look like that deck's good, but he just got super lucky."
Oh man, this is almost my exact warlock deck. I feel proud.
>Makes Tons of Card Review Videos
>Attempts "Hard to yield vision" argument
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The OST at the end is something from the official warcraft sountrack?
6:59 can someone explain why he doesnt play mortal coil? I mean more carddraw and one spare mana.
Although it may not hold up, I'm glad that my initial thoughts of Tainted Zealot being an awesome card were somewhat affirmed.
i love how everyone just kiblers the deathnight
Handlock with some of the new demons and the dk is really powerful
Ive been running this deck with elise, alex a twisting nether and removed the happy goul package due to the large amounts of control decks atm
That Priest deck might not be the best, it might not even be good...but god damn Raza+Anduin is soo much fun.
Carlos Feitosa nzoth priest is tier 1 though
The Highlander one? i tought that it to be tier 4.
Highlander is tier 1, in legendf in EU 30% of players playing Priest, 30% druid and other fill x)
Look the top 1 legend, he only play priest.
I've been playing a 'Reno' Warlock. It has not been going well, but it's so goddam fun.
@Trump - Mean Streets of Gadgetzan had PIRATE WARRIOR. Arguably the best agro deck to ever exist.
I keep trying to find a spot for twilight drake in this deck, either rotating out drain soul or happy ghoul. I also swapped a hellfire for an elise. It just doesn't feel right not to play this like handlock
I also play this deck, discovered it few days ago. Enjoyed it a lot, but the winrate is not the highest. If you don't care about winning that much it is very fun deck!
I love playing warlocks; the mechanics are just so heckin' fun 🐶. Gotta try this one. But, ugh, gotta spend that sweet sweet dust and make the Lich King. I'd like to have it anyway, so it's not a huge sacrifice.
I run a version of this deck that's a bit heavier and runs Elise and I find it does much better against the heavier decks out there at the moment. The happy ghoul package just isn't good enough.
that warlock deck was awesome!
I see that this was early in the meta. Before Raza Priest was the most cancerous thing of all time
The Lich King is Trump's new Sylvannis n' Nzoth
"Jackie Chan" LMAO
Is the right bar with the cards a tool that you can use ingame or edited in?
That deck looks sick
That moment when Trump can only think about playing on curve
5:47 Kibler is that you?
i played a very similar deck but in wild so had better low cost drops like imp gang boss insteed of happy ghoul. and my deck is amazing. i run doomguard and the 4 drop that have deathrattle to summon a demon from your hand ! works awesome :)
"It might look like that deck is good but, these are super lucky..."
"I'm just super better."
Well hello there inflated Trump's ego.
It's dress the part, be the part... you can't play The Lich King and Bloodreaver Gul'dan while wearing a Hawaii shirt.
What is the Sidebar of his in game deck program he uses.. I use one on overwolf and its not anywhere as good as that one
I'm really surprised that he called the deck unplayable after having the Anduin highroll. I feel like Trump is jumping the gun a bit too much.
Actually, control decks are really cool (imo) and what this entire expansion is about, save token decks, evolve shaman and pirates.
Every class has a new DK fantasy where they aggressively take control of the game in their own way. I feel like my chances of winning are being frozen solid over time when I play against Frost Lich Jaina whch I'm pretty sure is what they were going for thematically. Zombeasts are awesome, Anduin killing everything and then you with his hero power is rad, uther is a baller with big bois, and each other DK has its own unique flavor and flair. I really hope they stay in the meta for a long time and that control games are the norm for at least a full set. Aggro is fun and all but control really hasn't taken over the meta since season 1.
Kibler plays legend with a Priest Raza deck and does very well
I predicted that Happy Ghoul would be amazing in Warlock. FeelsOkayMan
Control Warlock is f**king crazy. But maybe will get run over by secret mage or pirate warrior which could just hit the face and ignore the board.
I've only seen two pirate warriors in 50 games! I hope this is the beginning of the control meta we've been waiting for!
Aäron Penders only seen 2 or 3 in my 50 as well!
It's literally every other game for me. Can't climb.
Play otk warlock in wild with grim patron, immune knife juggler,and defile
So for one the time when shaman basic was the meta it was a midrange deck with overpowered early game minion particularly tunnel trog and totem golem and yes it was terrible cus they gave one class way to much stuff
Tainted Zealot is so good Defile.
I've played that priest deck a lot, and that start is not rare. A lot of the time, you actually curve out even better than that
what is the outro art and music from, WoW?
Tsundere trump at 11:52 lol
Don't hate Trump he's a good guy, it's really hard to predict witch decks will end up being good
I dont think anyone is actually hating on him. I just think that he makes too quick of a decision and calls cards unplayable. He rated all Warlock cards 1 star, and 90% of the Hunter cards 1 star, saying they were unplayable simply because he couldnt see a way they could be effective. Meanwhile, in the "real world" of Hearthstone, just today I have faced SEVEN different mill rogues, running NO expansion cards... Too many people net deck. Theres no talent to net decking...
I stopped playing hearthstone because 90% of the people I was going up against were playing net decks.
It got a little too monotonous for me. Still love watching people play because I don't have to get too invested.
LobsterKnight It's hard to predict super accurately, but his predictions are garbage and his thought process non-existent.
Wizards World Hunter is sht
Im not saying Hunter is the "best deck". If you would have read my entire post, you might have the intelligence to realize that. Or, I could be mistaken about your ability to read...
A control only meta is gonna show up if druid gets nerfed. He's the only one with a decent aggro deck right now. I played a value priest V priest game earlier. I played fatigue priest he played n'zoth/dragon. So much fun we both had an insane amount of value
Simple Tora I'm having success with divine shield aggro took me to rank 5
Simple Tora yeah paladín is nuts
10:20 do you mean filthy topdecker?
What about gattling anduin with 2 radiants into infinte shadow visions = infinite damage? ( i know main weakness is set up and turn length)
you also need raza for it to be an otk, otherwise you deal a maximum of 10 dmg only which is not that good
Trump mentioning "midrange" shaman, no that shaman deck was not midrange, it was called midrange, but it was not midrange
Why does Trump look like ben 10 grandpa
you always want two ultimate infestations in jade. WIth that and two nourish you can burn out your entire deck at lightning speed without having to setup a gadgetzan, and start drawing jade idol 7/7+ minions super fast.
Is kinda risky to have nourish too , there is the" destroy jade idol" card that may punish you.
Anyway i agree infestation is really great , even if it burns you a card or two is worth most of the times , just like army of the dead.
Sirbananajack yeah a card that no is playing right now and is not reliable enough as it only counters one deck. It's a 6 mana 4/6 after all.
This deck is absolutely strong.
I'm afraid Trump is right about the Priest DK, without Raza it is super weak, so unless next year comes another card to cheat out hero powers, it will see no play. Priest just clears situational stuff (including his own) and deals 2 damage on turn 10. Without the discount, it is a trash tier hero power compared to other DKs, play a 6 mana or lower card to activate it twice, otherwise it is literally Shadowform. Activating it 3 or more times without discount in the lategame is pretty much impossible, as it requires you to play 2 cards with a combined cost of 4.
I do not have:
Defile 2x
Happy Ghoul 2x
Siphon Soul 2x
The Lich King
Wich of these are not necessery and can be replaced with a card.
Can you tell me wich card tho..
I have Ysera for The Lich King tho..
Don't play then
Evil Heckler all required except perhaps lich king and I suppose you can get rid of siphon soul for another straight up removal card, twisting nether perhaps or doom and BB?
Is it worth swapping out earthen and shadow bolt for dark bomb and heal bot in Wild?
Huk6 yes
Just use void callers in wild and rape.
I refuse to believe Control Warock is bad, Defile is stupid OP and Despicable Dreadlord is an amazing card against agro, a few unlucky games does not mean the deck is terrible, it will take some refinement but Control Warlock *WILL* be a tier 2 deck _at least!_
CarrowMind did you try handlock? Play huge minions on turn 5 and get skelemancer value with taunting all your minions? every tempo deck loses
I find Handlock boring, I much prefer the playstyle of control; Removing minions every turn with AOE, gaining health, playing huge minions that don't require taunt givers to be worth a damn.
Please try DK Hunter, its by far the funnest card around. I will never get tired of my charging poisonous snails and my 8/12 Knuckles with stealth
Having an 7/7 life steal taunt is also fun or your beasts have charge + stealth
The terminology is Mulligan Wizard
@Trump why are you dont play handlock?
I didn't think handlock is a 1 star class.
The fact that there weren't aggro decks wasn't what made the Karazhan meta bad. And yes there fucking were aggro decks in Gadgetzan
Would this deck be good without the lich king? I dont have the dust to craft him.
This deck is actually not all that expensive. I have all of the cards except the two legendaries. Will try this one out as I have missed playing a more controlish Warlock that uses strong demons.
TyranusRex721 play handlock. You play the same but with big minions and huge taunts ( and skelemancer)
im enjoying my one star mage deck atm decent win rate but really fun to play and thats what matters :)
Yo whats better to craft: Syphon soul or blastcrystal potion ? Considering the fact that Blast costs 2 mana less and costs less dust.
Greenlord/Rukutza siphon soul is infinitely better
Greenlord/Rukutza siphon soul is much better in this deck as it synergies well with happy ghoul.
Syphon Soul is played more, but if you wanna safe dust for legends get blastcrystal :D
They're rare/common, you can craft both after you open a few packs
Soul is way better, especially in this deck... I used to love blast crystal but it's just bad :p
Is it just me, or does the Lich King give army of the dead like more than half the time?
You always get army of the dead from lich king in videos xD
I like how whoever edits these videos always makes Trump's extreme bitterness while playing decks that aren't actually high rolling extra obvious.
Dreadlord should cast a carrion swarm instead of the visual he has.R.I.P epicness.
Would love to know what the name of the last choir song is
That Possibility - Lykke Li the part used for the ending starts at around 3:40
Warlock Prince Zoo when?
People who complain that aggro exists seem to forget about the fact that not everyone is stupid enough to spend hundreds of dollars of a digital card game. Interesting decks will always be locked behind a paywall, and for budget/F2P players they're incentivized to craft broadly powerful cards that work in multiple decks. If you spend your dust for the expansion on one cool deck that falls out of the meta, you're fucked. Pirate Warrior is an investment that's paid off for many F2P players.
Wheres the next episode of the darkest dungeon? :)
You don't even need happy ghouls to see the warlock DK is a strong card
what is the ending song please ? '^'
Really wanted WL to be great again so I crafted this deck.
Turns out my hopes for WL this expension are now very low :'(
Played around 20 games and maybe won 3-4. WL wins total ~700 ranked games
Ended up at rank 20.
ajaw this deck is great, couple changes I made to it and I have over a 70% winrate, would be higher if I understood exactly how to play it when I first started!
Just putting in my two cents on the aggro argument. The thing that happens when everyone has to play a control deck, is that every game lasts thirty minutes. And a lot of people don't want every game lasting thirty minutes. Furthermore, aggro decks are usually a lot cheaper, so most of the f2p people will latch on to them, keeping the playerbase higher.
After the pirate meta came in all of my friends left the game , and noone of them spent money on the game .
Also doesn't have to be 2015 controll warrior to be called control , there ahave been dozens of great cheap decks wich wren't aggro but people didn't play them , instead face hunter was the metà , nobody who plays that kind of deck can have fun yet even climbing ranks they wll never go to any places since no tournament can be won by spamming a single aggro deck.
nice batik there
Unplayable? My ass is unplayable.
I want to play Warlock, its my favorite class.... Make Warlock great again
what deck list is that?
PLEASE WHATS THE MUSIC AT THE END?
Guilherme Zicari i would like to know too
World of Warcraft - Invincible
Trump in a nutshell: This class sucked in the last expansion therefore it must suck this expansion!
Memerino Kripperino Is he wrong
Google Sucks YES actually he is i have already seen some warlock deck lists make it to legend... and i believe after jade idol gets nerfed "which will happen in a few months at this rate" warlock will be tier 1
Google Sucks yes, handlock and zoo with the 2 mana prince are pretty good
most of the decks we see today wont see play month later
tbh jade idol will more than likely never be nerfed because they printed a direct counter to it