How school boundaries segregate cities
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In Finland your kid will go to the closest one to where you live. They are almost all public and they are all great.
B/c Finnish teachers make way more than American ones and have more years of higher ed.
There is still clear lines. Shitty areas still have shitty students and schools.
In my municipality there are two high schools, or what ever yläaste is in english. One is one of the worst in bullying and the other is legendary in how litle there is.
The difrence is in that the other ones teachers dont give a shit due to it being in a shitty area and in the other the principal spends serious effort in stamping it out.
@@lozoft9 no it isint that easy.
You can have all the resources and money but if the teathcers dont care its still shit.
I wish the US were as good as Finland. Our residents and policy makers can be really dense at times.
Probably because there is less cultural variation. Immigration to Finland is more restricted therefore culture, and collective goals of the people, remain much more homogenized compared to a place like the USA.
The only reason we chose to live where we live is the public schools. It shouldn't be that way.
Choosing where you live simply because of the public school your kids should attend sounds really strange to an average European. Every puplic school in Germany is funded by the state (= teachers and all teaching related matters) and the local district/city (= infrastructure, building, non-teaching staff, school lunch, transport of children to school). The state portion is exactly the same for every school and is simply based on the number of children that attend the school. The local portion may vary, but it has to meet certain standards.
We have school bounderies too, but the are simply to manage the attendence of the children (so that school have a certain size) and to organise the public transport to the schools.
@@chrishieke1261 Probably depends on the European. In Britain, where state schools select by catchment area, it's very common to choose a house location based on the local school. It's actually one of the main drivers of "white flight": I know many formerly liberal parents in Britain who, after their sons getting beaten up by racist black kids, or daughters called "sluts" for being the only girl in the class not wearing a headscarf, pulled them out and moved to the suburbs where they could go to a school where they wouldn't be bullied.
lol thats just stupid
@Dave Cockayne Just ask 1938 Czechoslovakia.
@@chrishieke1261 I bet that I can go to the real estate listings in your country and identify the areas with better performing schools. Even if the funding is the same - some schools will have better teachers, better motivated students, less disciplinary issues, etc. Equal amounts of funding does not mean that all schools are equal.
In the US there is a negative correlation between school performance and the amount of money it gets. The worse the performance of the school - the more funding it gets. Ironically this is funding that's taken away from the better performing schools.
And there is a level of systematic racism in the US educational systems. Asians tend to be denied opportunities so those opportunities can go to 'more deserving' minority groups. My children are half Asian and I've seen this first hand.
When I was a teenager, I deliberately avoided my locally-designated high school by pretending to live at a friend's house, even using their addresse so I could be registered at their school instead.
I've always thought that tying property tax to school funding was problematic. Great video as always
Abu local taxation in general is problematic
It certainly didn’t help California after Prop 13. Cal’s school system went from being one of the best in the country (and world renowned) to the bottom of the barrel.
@@ScramJett ??? It didn't remove the tie between property taxes and schools, it just reduced the tax amount. Obviously, when you pay less taxes, schools are funded less, and quality goes down.
Jeff allowing unlimited immigration did not help when it came to the schools.
Tax revenue of cities dwarfs revenue of the suburbs, but the majority of dollars then flows from urban to suburban areas. That is, if property taxes paid for schools streets, roads, sewage, and electricity, then it would be suburbs with the poorest schools. Suburbs cost more money than they bring in via taxes, yet manage to exclude the poor urbanites (yet who they tax to support the urban lifestyle).
www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/8/22/the-more-we-grow-the-poorer-we-become
2:04 "What school are you sending your kid to?" "Oh you know, just Hogwarts."
Nyan Saik Krat xD
Still waiting for my letter :/
I can't believe you did those isometric maps yourself!
Thanks! Now that I know how to to the. I’m going to put them in more videos.
It's no joke, those illustrations are well done! Good job.
I can, but I can't imagine myself making them with my current coloring skills.
Isometric maps are pretty "easy" to do with the right tools :)
Although his really looks professional!
In the Netherlands we can choose 3 favoured middle/high schools to choose from. No matter where you live you can choose a school what fits you. There are ‘open dagen’ that are days you can visit the school. It’s very convenient because many towns around the country don’t have middle/ high schools and it’s also more free because the kids can choose school.
In Sweden it is the same.
The UK is very similar. Normally you are limited to your council area for schooling (Local councils normally consist of a good few towns with populations in the region of 100,000-300,000 residents so a good few schools to pick from). and while you can pick 3 favoured schools, local pupils are given priority if there are too many people picking a school for their first choice.
All public schools are free and paid for via everyones taxes. There are some private schools where people can pay though I would argue there is no difference in the grades the pupils achieve.
In Israel it's the same
In Omaha, Nebraska, US, we have a similar system, where students can apply to up to 3 schools, and are only forced to go to their neighborhood school if they didn't get into one of their chosen schools.
In most parts of Europe is the similar system to Dutch one.
The idea to school districts sounds strange to me, in my country the public schools do look at the applicants location as one of the aspects for intake, but it's not a requirement and it's not uncommon for kids to travel 30min to an hour from their home to attend schools that their parents want them to go to.
That makes sense, but teachers unions and Democrat party wouldn't want that
devinZA same, people here can choose any public school they want despite the place they live, and as you say it’s pretty common to travel a lot
MK Unfortunately you’re right. Coming from me, a democrat, the party is extremely pro-teacher union, even though teacher unions lobby for the preservation of school districts since it creates more bureaucratic jobs (for example, my superintendent unessascarily earns $330K a year). School districts also lobby for the abridgement of student rights (such as Morse v. Fedrick, the Bong Rips for Jesus Case), and even when courts state that some law is unconstitutional, teacher unions still promote the enforcement of the law (FCC v. Fox indirectly invalidated California’s anti-profanity in schools law, since profane and obscene and vulgarity are not defined, but unions still advocate for its enforcement). Also school districts plainly violate the 14th amendment. Students are discriminated against based on where they live and what teacher and time they have a class. Some districts within a state require different graduation requirements for the same diploma, and based on the teacher and time of day you have a class you will be taught differently, easily violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, which states “No state shall ...deny the equal protection of the law...” And do not get me started on how much teacher unions. have gutted the expulsion/suspension system in their favor so there is no such thing as due process (if you get suspended, tough luck, you cant appeal and if expelled, you get no access to a free attorney and the right to cross examination, along with already being barred from school for up to a month, throwing out innocent until proven guilty).
@@iidkwhatnameuse - how does having a different teacher at a different time of day violate the 14th amendment?
In your country how do schools deal with too many people wanting to go to the same great school? I mean, what if there is one or two really amazing schools, with great teachers, resources, location, student body, history, whatever. It will obviously attract more people than the crappy school in a different area. How do schools deal with the issue of greater popularity of a particular school?
Why on earth would school funding be tied to property taxes?
How does this funding mechanism advance the goals of education in any way?
That's the point, it's a way to indirectly separate the haves from the have not's.
It's the US. Some rich people paid politicians to implement a system that allows for segregation, which allowed the rich to control who can and who can't climb up the economic ladder in order to keep the wealth split between the few modern "nobles".
Capitalism in the US is just feudalism with a few more steps.
That was done during the early 1800s. From what i read, this was done so local people would pay for their school and be more willing to be involved. To change it would be nearly impossible today.
In the US, schools are not federal, so each state can do what they will (including having no public schools).
> How does this funding mechanism advance the goals of education in any way?
This is not how taxes and funding works. Ha!
Schools were established when income taxes weren't really a thing in the US. Each community worked together to establish a local public school. This is why a property tax was used; it was a local tax revenue stream, used to establish a local service. We still see this today. Even though each state has a lot of rules about the education system, it is still widely done at a local level. So, the answer to your question is "historical inertia".
I can hardly think of a way to raise funds for schools that would lead to less socioeconomic mobility than basing a school's funding on the land values of the area.
Sam McInturff that’s the point ain’t it
But as long as teacher's unions remain powerful politically - that's what's going to keep happening. Because all of the alternatives to fixes school boundaries mean that parents can move their kids from a bad school to a good one. And this terrifies the teacher's unions because this means that their continued jobs depend on the success of their school.
As it is - there is a funding disparity in school districts with high and low performing schools. Funding is diverted away from the good schools (whose students 'don't need it') and towards poorly performing schools. This also occurs with federal and state matching funds. And now the people who operate the SAT tests are going to penalize students who went to good schools.
Another issue is race. Funding is prioritized towards some races and away from others. Schools with large Asian populations have the money diverted away from them and sent to schools with skin colors who are viewed as 'needing it more.'
But the big problem is what I described in my first paragraph. Our educational system has be carefully structured so that nobody can be held accountable for a failing school. Make people accountable for how their schools perform and we will suddenly see people actually going out and making changes to fix problems.
Where I live schools are funded by the province or territory. The equivalent of state level in the US. It doesn't matter which city you live in or what part of town, your school will have equal funding. I don't see Canadian's moving to make sure their kids get into a better school unless they live on reserves and that's because we have a racism issue with First Nations and Inuit that results in us underfunding them federally (Reserves being the exception in funding scheme.)
@@runningfromabear8354 School funding and student performance have little to do with each other. On a tax-adjusted basis the US has quadrupled K-12 school spending - and today's scores are still where the were in the early 1980's. (The US spends three times as much on K-12 education than we do on the military.)
In the US we have a bad habit of trying to solve problems by throwing money at it. K-12 education is one example, and the Department of Veteran's Affairs healthcare system is another. Both systems could be vastly improved by making people accountable for bad performance. More money does little good when the problem is that the system itself needs reform.
@@colincampbell767 Funding impacts how parents perceive schools and which ones they send their children to. And I don't see a problem with making sure all of the schools receive equal funding. The children are equal right?
When we moved to Baton Rouge, our kids were just starting to enter the school system. We were constantly warned about the quality of the public schools, the dangerous atmosphere, and the poor teaching. We decided to put our kids into the public schools anyways and be on the ready for any issues. They were the only white children in their grade but they excelled, made friends with all kinds of kids, and were leaders for the fellow students (according to their teachers). Then we moved to Katy, TX, and now the kids are in one of the "best" school districts in the state and are reading beyond their grades and succeeding. Public schools, even in the hardest hit cities, can still be great equalizers.
Your childrens' drive, the school (physically), teachers, and (you+partner) are what have pushed for their success! Regrettably we do not always view it this way; we are so quick to blame the teacher, or upbringing, or shoddy facilities that we do not appreciate how these facets work in concert together.
@Amite and it is cut purposely on the racial makeup of the neighborhood. That was really disheartening to read.
In NSW Australia, if you don't live within the catchment area of a school, you can still apply, but you do have to wait on a waiting list until after local kids have enrolled first, it adds uncertainty, but it makes sure that local kids can fit in their local school, and that kids can attend the school they and their parent would prefer without having to move to a new catchment area.
Also this only applies to public schools, not sure how private schools work, because the ones in the city often have students from out in the country that board.
It's the same here in Victoria.
Same in Scotland. Without catchment areas it would be an unfair free for all, but all schools are equally funded
Actually this is kind of the same way it works in the U.S.
I’ve lived there n both Ontario, Canada and British Columbia, Canada and that’s how it works here as well
Same in Indonesia
But all the kids in my community go to Hogwarts
Tariq Mohammad Albastaki So you live in Surrey then?
Riff Raff hahaha, maybe 😅
Do you homeschool until they are eleven?
u gotta wait until your 11th birthday
Public school teacher in San Francisco here! I’m at a 5/10 on greatschools that feels like a 10/10 when you step inside. Great job point out the complexities within the topic!
If your school's getting 5 out of ten then you have a false idea as to how the students in your school are performing compared to students in other schools.
SF teacher is a joke.Hippie yuppie
So when do people realize, competition among schools is causing segregation. When all schools have a similar quality, nobody would come up with the idea of a rating.
Doesn't seem very accurate to me. The high school I attended had a rating of 2 but it is by far the most prestigious and sought after in the district which has seven high schools. Our alumni include one of the top five richest people in the
world, the inventor of the TV dinner, an academy award winning actor, two Nobel prize winners, and one of the most famous football players in history.
@@colincampbell767 your statement is probably the silliest comment in the comments section.
The root of the problem is redlining. It still affects many things to this day, including where people live. And since redlining perpetuated segregation, not surprisingly the wealthier districts that have well-funded schools are whiter than the poor districts with underfunded schools.
*Realtors claim that land appreciates because "They aren't making any more land." However, looking at homes in my area, empty lots aren't that costly, and two comparably-sized suburban houses in similar condition with similar access to amenities may vary in price by 200-400%. Often the houses with the shorter commute to the downtown business district are the cheaper ones. I suspect that local school district reputation is actually more important in driving real estate prices than the size and location of land parcels are, and it may even eclipse the value of the physical home structure for smaller houses. Childless urban professionals can save a f***ton by living in a small house in an otherwise convenient neighborhood that's in a "bad" school district.*
*So, basically, there are no such thing as public schools. Everyone goes to private school, and pays tuition via property taxes either directly or through their rent. Since the taxes are assessed as a percentage of property value, a more expensive house is indistinguishable from higher tuition.*
The thing about it is the bad schools are correlated with bad neighborhoods, so if the house was cheap just based on being in a bad school district but that is not the case.
There is a correlation between home values and school quality. Because there are many families that are willing to 'do without' in order to send their kids to good schools. So they will buy a less desirable home for a higher price in order to get their kids into good schools. And their kids are going to get better grades because 1) all the other kids in their peer group are studying and getting good grades and 2) those same parents are going to pay attention to how their kids are doing.
And the ironic thing is that there is a negative correlation between funding for any specific school and the student's grades. The schools with the worse performing students get money diverted to them - and away from schools with the better performing students.
All the houses near the downtown here are expensive as hell though
That's an artifact of how we tax. We've shifted the way we tax property from mostly taxing the land to mostly taxing the building on the land. This makes it a bad gamble to build on an empty lot in an area where the economy is depressed... your taxes will go from next to nothing to a whole lot.
But, since you can hold the land and not pay much tax on it it's better to just hold the land and wait for gentrification or a big land development to move in. It also discourages people from fixing up their buildings because most of the gain they'd get from increasing the rent would get eaten up by higher taxes.
If you shift more of the burden to the value of the land suddenly downtown lots with good transportation become expensive to own, whether you have something on them or not. This drives down the value of empty lots (or, in general, any sort of underutilized lot) so it's better to build something there or sell it to someone who will. It drives out land speculators, who, along with NIMBYISM against denser housing, are primary drivers of high rents.
Those extra buildings drive down rents, and basic capitalism (building higher density lower income housing or lower density more upscale housing) gets sorted out mostly by market demand. It's not an old concept. It's an old policy called Georgian economics.
The problem is that in general it drives property values down, and we've built an economic system that relies on our houses to store wealth in equity.
^ yep my thoughts to, they don't even have public school! That's private school!
My mom actually had to falsify some things so I could get into a magnet middle school. Some schools didn't allow you to attend if you weren't in their approved zip codes. The ones in my area were all failing so my mom did what she had to do so I could have a challenge as well as having after school programs which the ones in my area did not.
Great job on the maps; they were really nice!
This is a good topic, and I’d love to see more in a similar vein. I grew up just on the edge of the county line. The kids across the street went to the public school 5mins away, and I went to the county one about 20mins away. It always felt so randomized.
Wait, school funding in the US is not primarily tied to the number of students?
Well technically it is supposed to be sometimes when a poor neighborhood doesn’t have the budget the state helps to make sure you have minimum funding of 6000 dollars per student
Funding schools with property taxes like that just seems so shockingly insane to me as a non-American.
The problem in America is the culture. It’s a very selfish culture. It’s only about what’s best for me, not best for society. And if you don’t look out for yourself, the theory goes, you are going to be screwed.
The problem is that “local control” is almost always code for “no poor people here!” And then the Courts in America view education as a state, rather than federal, matter.
Actually this would work if the parents had the ability to replace school administrators. The big problem is that 1) failing schools get rewarded with more money and 2) the system has been set up so that nobody can be held accountable for a failing school.
@@CardsNHorns04 Not at all. Local control means that the parents of the children in the school can hold the school officials accountable for the performance of the schools. Personally I think that school boards should have the most power in making decisions about education and they should be elected by the parents of the children who attend the schools in that district.
This means that the school board and the district staff know that their jobs depend on those parents being satisfied with the job they're doing.
@@colincampbell767 which is still problematic if parents quantify education quality with only test scores (which would lead to teacher fudging scores or giving false reports to parents while the students are forced to memorize things while learning only a fraction of what we could have. I grew up in the private system in which parents have control over the school board and that's what happens). I wonder how much of that is a problem now that we have a new generation of parents?
@@ChemySh Spoiler: Colin is one of the geniuses who think that the Great Schools rating and standardized test scores are the end-all-be-all of education quality.
The principals are sound but it’s easier said then done. I went to a 3 school for Elementary school and fell way behind. There were fights every day and teachers had to settle for hoping the students behaved and learned a couple things. I was switched to and 8-9ish school and was amazed. These kids didn’t fight, ever, and my scores all went way up. It honestly changed the trajectory of my life.
You know a society is inherently flawed and classist when a parent is charged and sentenced to prison time because she dared used a different address so that her child could get a better quality of education.
I heard about that, I think it was in NYC. Absolutely disgusting. The prosecutor even had the nerve and say how the conviction was a win for tax payers. I don't understand how anybody could think that is moral.
This is a huge problem in a lot of places. And it isn't about class as it is about funding. If a school district allows too many students from other districts to attend the school but see no additional revenue to offset the costs of the additional students then the quality of their schools are going to suffer.
An easy fix to this would be school vouchers. Where the tax money associated with each student goes to any school the student attends. But this will never happen as long as teacher's unions have so much political power that they can veto voucher programs.
@@colincampbell767 What are the arguments against the voucher programs?
@@colincampbell767 so it's the same stuff, more wealthy families will congregate in chosen schools and those schools will get even more funding
@@Kapi.23 Where I live the state has a 'Robin Hood' law that takes money from school districts in areas with expensive homes and gives that money to schools in areas with low home prices.
And the "rich" have the option of private schools so they are not as constrained as you think. When I lived in California the schools were among the best in the state and despite sky-high housing prices - over half of the students qualified for the free school lunch program. These were typically Asian immigrants who made enormous financial and lifestyle sacrifices to have their children attend good schools.
When I left California I thought that I was getting away from the asylum and paid more money for a home with a very good elementary school in a decent school district. (FYI I'm a disabled veteran who is rated as 'unemployable' so I am definitely not 'rich.') I failed to did deep enough and after a couple of years we discovered that the way the school district 'improved' their intermediate and high schools was 'socioeconomic balancing' - which means that my kids will be bussed across town to an intermediate school with gang graffiti on the walls and a reputation of racism against Asians (my kids are 1/2 Asian and the school is 40% black). Needless to say - we're moving before our kids leave elementary school.
PS: there's no correlation between school funding and school performance. In fact in many places there's a negative correlation because money is diverted away from good schools and to poor ones.
I wrote my thesis on urban planning and school segregation in Denmark. There are only a few academic papers out there that study the intersection. Most teachers I talk to know about the academic advantages of a socially diverse classroom. But most urban planners, on the other hand, seem to forget the social consequences of the large scale decisions. This might be because of the profession as an urban planner historically has been shaped by engineers. In this technical understanding of the city, it is seen as a machine consisting of pipes, grids and roads that need be kept in order. Glad to see City Beautiful keep stressing the notion of urban ecology.
Then why do schools with populations that are made up of mostly whites and Asians practically always outperform other schools? The key thing in student performance is the expectations that subculture expects of those students. Subcultures that place a high value on education produce the vast majority of the top students.
@Dave Cockayne I don't think it's genetics. There are black families whose kids excel. The important thing here is the importance the parents put on education. Typically - children get about the same amount of education as their parents did. College educated parents tend to produce college educated children. And parents who never finished high school tend to produce children who don't finish high school.
And a lot of the problems we have with the education system is caused by the system itself. They US education system has been carefully structured so that nobody can be held accountable for a failing school.
My district is mixed income, however, the students self-segregate
Nicolas Escobar same 100%
In Sweden the schools receive money according to the number of students. So there will be no difference in rich and poor areas.
@@niklasmolen4753 That idea is called vouchers, liberals also hate that idea. They complain about property tax funded schools, but are against vouchers as wel.
Andrik Cazares vouchers are just a way for rich people to take tax dollars to send their kids to private school
@@ob5443 Actually vouchers are a way for people who aren't rich to get their kids into better schools. The rich people can affords private schools - and this is how they keep their kids out of failing schools.
The primary opposition to vouchers is Teacher's Unions. They are terrified by vouchers because then parents will choose which school to send their kids to. And the staff at failing schools will have to either fix the problems or find new careers.
Vouchers force accountability onto the staff at schools. And the K-12 education system has been carefully designed so that nobody can be held accountable for a failing school.
When I was in high school I lived in one district, but attended another, because the school in the other district was physically closer to me. Unfortunately, each district thought the other was keeping records when no one was so in my graduating year it took a threat of lawsuit to get them to let me graduate, but only if I also got a GED to make up the lost credits. Which I did, and so I have both.
When I got my associates degree I thought I wouldn't need to mess with that, but I was wrong, and it's a pain to get those records. More so in my case.
My school district was county wide, but we still had school boundaries that you had to follow. So I couldn’t attend the high school in the neighboring town even though they’re in the same school district. There were a few exceptions though. If you had any issue with a school you attended such as bullying or whatever and if it got to the point you felt uncomfortable you could make a point to the district headquarters and eventually switch to a neighboring school but it was usually too much of a hassle.
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Makes me appreciate my schooling that much more. I went to a Canadian high school that was in a publicly funded Catholic school district. The school was old, run down, and in the poor part of town, but had an illustrious alumni list of academics, athletes, and politicians going back a century; everyone wanted their kids to go there. Attendance rules gave priority to local neighborhood kids, which ensured that rich and poor shared the classroom, and school uniforms made sure you couldn't tell from appearance who was rich and who wasn't.
in that sense it would make some sense to have school uniforms, to reduce bullying.
4:23 i would never send my kid to that school because the map in the background is wrong
@@Speed001 I dunno Ireland, Crete, Gotland, Palestine, Israel, Cyprus, Sicily, Sardinia, Åland, Sri Lanka, and the Danish Islands not existing makes that map wrong no matter what projection you use
i attend a private religious high school. normally such schools are expensive and inaccessible for poor minority students. however my school has its tuitions funded by the churches in the area, which allows much more minority students to attend than what you’d expect for a normal private school. it’s a system that’s really unique in the country.
It just goes to show that capitalism-including private charity-is always the way to go.
Well, it's not a video about Detroit... But as a parent, this video is still pretty useful. Thank you!
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Great video! Always love your videos!
Another great and educational video! Keep it up!
Sadly the biggest predictor for a students education performance is parents and friends, not the school.
Make a list of the scientists, writers, artists, musicians, scholars and doctors who went to ordinary public schools in the working class and immigrant neighborhoods of Brooklyn and the Bronx. It's a VERY long list. They must have been doing something right.
4:19 I would never send my kid to a school where they’ve removed Ireland from the classroom maps.
seems like not enough funds to paint Ireland
There is no Sicily, or Balearic Islands or Cyprus, looks like Israel and Palestine are just sea now, Sri lanka doesn't exist, looks like Denmark is just the Jutland peninsula, some of the Japanese Islands are missing, Africa looks like its drifting towards South America, the straight of Gibraltar is now massive and Spain and Morocco aren't aligned properly, Corsica, Sardinia, Gotland, Åland don't exist either.
This map is hilarious
Edit: The isle of Mann, the isle of wight, Crete dont exist, it looks like Newfoundland is drifting towards europe
A great video that illustrates what the British economist E.F. Schumacher called a "divergent problem." With complex social policy, we will always find tension between those who favor "freedom" and those who favor "order." Earlier comments are demonstrating that those who want to ban private schools or homeschooling favor the social value of order and equality rather than the perspective that education of children devolves ultimately to parental rights, that the state cannot violate this natural right without grave concern for public welfare and the rights of the child, such as situations where children are made wards of the state. It's impressive to see the attention to ethics and social policy in a channel on urban planning. But, that's what the planning is about...
This is the best comment I have seen here!
Education is not a natural right of the parents. You could argue that it is a natural right of the children, but then it would of course show blatently that the state can do that too (and if it weren't for seggregation wanting parent's meddling) better in almost all cases.
Also I would put the Freedom of not having to care about the school because all are the same good higher than the Freedom to choose the best, in the case I can afford it.
2:46 That's the high school I went to. Interesting to see it rated as a 10/10.
Love your videos . I took up urban planning as my undergrad degree here in India would love to interact with you more
RRT Diecast hehe doesn’t most people in India do engineering and then mba?
@@yux.tn.3641 i was down the same road but i then i felt like planning was my calling
@@rudrasensheorey95 I was in the same boat mate, but I'm an American! 😂
haha, "planning" in India! XD
cool video. big fan. Patreon to the max.
you could have mentioned Alexander v. Holmes County Board of Education
So what exactly is the purpose of "school boundaries" is the first place? Growing up in Europe, it seems extremely arbitrary. Why can't you just choose your public school?
It all comes back to segregation, as was mentioned briefly in the video. I think the idea was, if they drew school boundaries to include both African American and Caucasian neighborhoods, then they could start to reintegrate schools again, which at one point were segregated into richer white and poorer black schools in the south. At the time, if people could just choose which school they went to, it was likely this segregation would continue.
Now, people found ways around this (moving to wealthier school districts), but that took time to develop. I still feel, with school choice, we'd end up with poor kids going to poor schools since their home life would prevent them from succeeding, regardless of which school they go to.
I guess it depends on the school district, but at least where I am in Texas, if you had good enough grades, you could choose whatever high school you wanted to attend, at least within the district. There were also multiple magnet schools, but the selection process was by lottery. I wound up transferring back to my neighborhood high school after realizing I didn't like the business magnet school I was attending. Imo, my neighborhood school was far superior in terms of the quality of education, the culture and the diversity of the student body. Plus it was close enough I could walk there.
tl;dr boundaries aren't always strict. There are ways you can get to a specific school, but it is true that it's much easier for wealthier students to do so.
loving the detroit street map graphic
I love this channel!
Where I live elementary school was tied to your zip code ( you could apply elsewhere but had to enter a waiting list ) but secondary school was free to chose
my elementary school enrolls kids from a zone that gets split up in middle school. Half my elementary went to my "rival school"
The Commonwealth of Virginia's public school model is unlike that of any other state. First, school districts are referred to as "school divisions." Second, all school divisions coincide with their respective county, town, or independent city. This means that all of the property taxes collected from the local government are spent on all the public schools located within said locality. Another consequence of this system is that counties and independent cities with large populations have to administer hundreds of elementary, middle and/or secondary, and high schools, as opposed to one or two high schools with feeder middle and elementary schools. Third, the school board is an integral part of the local government, with the school board dependent upon the municipality for their budget.
I grew up with this system, and in my opinion, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. Not only do wealthier areas of a county/city fund public schools for poorer areas and vice versa, but parents and their children can have the option to attend a different school within their division without having to move their place of residence. All they would need to do is send a request to the school board with a stated reason, and the school board would either accept or reject the request.
Shane Crowe I was looking to see if someone had commented this!
So the choice is still up to the school board.
There is still considerable funding disparities between individual cities and counties in VA, however. Nothing caps what wealthier jurisdictions can contribute to their school systems above the what the state requires, leading to ‘have versus have-not’ school divisions (mainly urban/suburban ‘haves’ and rural ‘have nots’).
I lived in the Atlanta area for 19 years. It was apparent that many people self segregated by race/ethnicity. Segregation didn’t seem to be directly income related but rather people just seemed to want to live in a community with their own race/ethnicity. This was quite evident with middle and upper income individuals in specific minority groups chosing to live in areas where the majority of individuals in their race/ethnicity group were low income. There’s no inherent right or wrong in making these choices (our values drive our choices), but there are implications. If the majority of the individuals in one particular community don’t hold in high regard an education, then why would the folks in that area justifiably expect an optimal education experience for their children in that community’s public school. The school will most likely mirror the set of values inherent in the majority population (regardless of race/ethnicity). It starts in the home and the schools can’t always compensate for issues at home.
Integration or segregation ... productive education experience or unproductive education experience ... at the end of the day, we have the power to choose as individuals and in turn effect the trends in our race/ethnic group.
Of course the victim culture so prevalent today in our society would deny self responsibility for the successes or failures of certain race/ethnic groups. That’s ok, keep thinking that and nothing will change.
great explanation, big thank you!
yeah it’s pretty clear in my area. the township i grew up in mainly has two districts... one that’s considered elite, and one that’s relatively average. there’s a pretty big drop off in real estate between the better district and the worse district.
I go to a magnet school. Half of the kids or so are from the city, other half from suburbs. It’s pretty cool
Is this youtube channel good for making my cities in city skylines better?
I think something important not talked about in the video is the factor of ideas. Some people start Charter schools and such because they want to try ideas that they wouldn't be able to convince the public schools to try. And I think it's very important for people to be able to try out their ideas. A lot of people may want to succeed from a group or district because of wet blankets.
Yes this is observable in long beach
Millikan highschool & Emerson Parkside academy ( charter - previously) elementary school are on one side of the city
My town is a suburb outside a larger city and we are known in the area as having a good school district and so a lot of people from closer to the city and the even smaller suburbs around my large suburb used to school choice here but now you aren't allowed to school choice anymore because we are so overcrowded
I'm from the UK. Until I saw it written down just now, I thought it was 'magnet school' 🤦
In my city there are ~15 high schools all with their own feeder schools. If you live within the boundary of a school you go to that school. And nobody moves to another school's catchment area to go to that school because the education is the same at all the schools
This presumes that school districts are specifically linked to the properties around it. IIRC that isn't always the case. In some states the money for all property taxes are pooled, and then distributed out to the schools based on student population with some adjustments for other costs, such as maintenance needs, upgrade costs, etc...
I’ve lived in two cities that tried combatting this by using public buses to send kids all over the city to 4 different high schools. You could go to a school on the other side of town even if there’s one in walking distance. Some schools have better programs for certain aspects, but it means huge deficits in others (for example one school had to fully cut sports). It just….doesn’t work.
In Vermont budgets for schools are pooled together and divided equally to schools based on number of students. So each student’s education it technically “worth” the same amount.
There’s just no easy solution.
I went to public school all the way up until high school. I started my freshman year at a charter school, and honestly am very glad I had that opportunity. If I would have gone to a public high school, I probably wouldn't have graduated. Every time I think about that place, I'm always so grateful to all the teachers, and administration that helped my punk ass graduate.
where I live you just go to the closest school there is. People choose schools only by distance, I was suprised to hear about school districts and ratings. In fact there usually is not even a step of „choosing“ involved. Nobody thinks about choosing because there is no reason too. Most public schools are on a very similar level. However there are Problem schools in some bigger cities where people tend to avoid sending their kids.
Great video! Although it’s “magnet school”, not magnate. Unless that was intentional for some reason
It was magnet school that's a type of school in the US they are public schools that specialize in certain subjects
The add I got in this video was very involved with the title
In Chicago you can go to any school in the city if u can test in
My city's schools are weird. There's 4 schools. 1 is the local neighborhood school for the lower-class hood, one of the rich parts of town, the countryside/farmers, the mountains, and the university professors' kids. The other 3 are just for the massive suburban sprawl.
In larger municipalities, there is usually a policy that allows students from one attendance district to transfer to another without penalty. Often, however, they have to provide their own transportation.
6:21 It's telling that the Shelby County in that news clipping is the same of Shelby County v Holder infamy.
How about setting an industrial size building which houses all type of schools within a nearby useless mall
Magnet, not magnate.
Are you from Wisconsin? Noticed you showed Kenosha in the video.
I grew up in Wisconsin but I don't live there now. I like to highlight WI when I can.
Once a cheese head always a cheese head! Keep up the great work
City Beautiful I grew up there and remember Scott Walker changed some legislation that allowed students to move to any public school regardless of which district they live in.. I could be wrong in remembering this but it’s an interesting concept and I’m curious what effect it’s had on schools in wealth-segregated areas.
@@CityBeautiful Liked the choice to highlight Kenosha. I live just south of the WI-IL border and visit Kenosha virtually every weekend! Love your channel too!
In Puerto Rico this issue was resolved by simply pooling the money for education between everyone so all schools receive the same treatment and parents can put their kids where they please.
That is picture book example of Socialism, so it won't happen in the US. PATRIOTS will prevent it!!!
@@steemlenn8797 It's called "equal opportunity," and real patriots support it!!!
@@caroler59 I am not sure which one of us missed the irony.
All the schools in the Netherlands get the same amount of money per student. They are also all supervised by the same supervisory national body, that has a lot of power.
Teacher pay is somewhat dependent on where they live though, to adjust for cost of living, but maybe not even as much as it should be, as the largest cities have more trouble retaining teachers.
Shout out everyone who went to a 4/10 school
In Indiana, public school district boundaries technically don't exist. Legislation changed the way public school money from the state is allocated so now the money follows the student. Public schools still rely on property taxes to support their budgets, but the state money follows the child. I believe this has also negated the need for transfer fees in Indiana as well.
Great video but one factor you left out is the perception of violence within the school due to gang presence and such. Personally I would consider my child’s safety well above a school’s actual quality despite its district.
I personally am changing schools because of my house changing but it’s really close to the school I was in so I am confused as to why I can’t go to that one
I've never heard of GreatSchools
I've only used Niche and never for primary or secondary.
Is the background image at 0:04 the map of Detroit?
There's no correlation between per-pupil spending and academic achievement.
Yes, but we want to believe in that. Otherwise we may end up talking about genes and IQ.
this is categorically incorrect. You need to do some research.
Use Bitchute Maybe start by explaining why yours is so low (:
@@kendalljohnson9172 I'm slightly over 2 sd above the mean of my ethnic group (Slavs). If that's not enough by your expectations, I think I could use an excuse, that during my childhood in my country per pupil education spending was quite low. ;)
This is 100 percent true. Schools and districts with low-income students have federal, state, and municipal money thrown at them, and they and their students STILL underperform. I love this channel, but with this one video, i have to disagree. I also find it impossible to believe that there is an academic benefit to upper-income kids from mixing kids with incompetent parents into their classes. I would love to see the raw data. There's no way to argue that schools in poorer districts aren't so bad that they are to be avoided AND, at the same time, to argue that low-income schools fail their students. I'm a New York City resident, and this year, am horrified to see that mayor de blasio is ordering an end to the exams which determine what schools a student can attend - all the best schools will be pulled down in sacrifice to "integration", nevermind that the mayor's definition of integration REALLY means "get rid of all the hard-working Asian students at NYC's highest ranked schools". Those kids work their asses off, but aren't black or hispanic, and so, have no right to get a good education. Sickening.
I looked at every school I went to when I was a kid (from elementary to high), and they were all 5 and below.. I did go to public schools in the most crime ridden city in my state, so I guess I should've expected that...
Edit: and it was on great schools (my a** lol)
In my home province of British Columbia Canada pretty much all of school funding comes on a per pupil basis from the province. This means bad schools are comparatively rare. Because I moved a lot as a kid I had the experience of trying many different schools of varying incomes. My experience was roughly the following
by grade:
Elementary Schools
k-2: Not to many memories of this school but generally good. School demographic mostly middle class mix of suburban and urban. Middling school size
3-4: My worst school, in a mostly yuppie area in city. Teachers were rather distant, bullying was tolerated, school pushed ADHD medicine to something like 40% of the student body. Relatively small school size
5-6: One of my best schools in a working class area in city. Teachers were attentive, bullying was not tolerated and lots of community events such as butter and corn nights, a free breakfast program and a plethora of lunchtime and afterschool clubs. Because the school was large there were resources for everything, which included enrichment programs I got listed into
7: Meh school in a middle income rural area, overall good. Not too much to say about it.
High Schools
8-10: Overall solid school in middle income rural area. If you were interested in trades (carpentry, electrician, cooking etc) then the school had some great programs that would give you credentials in those fields. For academics it had good teachers but no advanced classes. Medium sized school (600 students)
11-12 My other best school, in a wealthy urban area. Fairly large (1100+ students) and with dozens of different AP classes, engaged teachers and an overall great school culture. As a note this is a school I applied to from outside of district, something that may have not been possible in the USA
In short none of the schools I went to were bad, with income not playing much of a role in the quality of education so much as the selected extra programs. This to me resembles what an education should look like, there shouldn't be bad schools.
The other option you left out was District Transfers for students. District transfers are simply this- you live in one district, pay the taxes for that district, but your child attends a different school in a different district. Brown vs. Board of Education addressed this issue, which is some times a school is closer BUT you are not in that school district. So you can file can file paperwork with your current district AND the new district. You have to have a valid reason to want to transfer your child out of the current district (example- work, bullying, distance to your home, etc...). Districts have strict rules in regards to transfers, make sure you follow those rules. The down side with district transfers is districts tend to LIMIT the number of children who transfer in/out of a district. Just because you transferred doesn't mean you are safe, you can ALWAYS have your contract cancelled and forced to attend your home district. If your contract is cancelled, generally you can finish out the school year but can not return the next school year (unless you are expelled.)
4:17 what in the world is that map? Newfundland is going on an adventure in the north atlantic, sicily, sardinia and corsica are missing, so is sri lanka, Egypt lost its border with the middle east, widening the entire red sea in the process, the strait of gibraltar is misaligned and there's probably more I haven't spotted.
Having gone to a relatively poor highschool in a poorer area.
I definitely felt and know that schools don't and can't account for everything in students lives.
But also my school was ranked horribly, but that's in part because they don't stop kids from pursing a better education by restricting who can take more advanced courses (Of course you can't stay if you're failing though).
It probably didn't change the demographic much, mostly white kids and a few asians (in a school with a composition of ~50%+ minorities [White, black, Hispanic were the big 3] and a lot of people I knew had divorced parents).
Can't say it helped with critical thinking any though, unless you're talking about street smarts. I'm not counting the critical thinking course.
A big thing was how teachers were being paid based on student scores. And you could definitely see how students were prone to giving up in tutoring sessions if they didn't get the material quickly.
I m attending a school in Austria.
My school (HTBLA Hallsatt) has a budget of 10 million EURO about 11.2 million $
It s one of the best schools but it is a boarding school in the small alpine village Hallstatt.
Parents have to pay all fees but get a part of this money back from the government
0:32 "Magnate School" was probably meant to be "Magnet School", yes?
Chas Becht practically same thing 😂
Difference?
You should watch The Breakfast Club debate on Private vs. Public Schools.
And still no change after 30 years ?
Nice to see K-town on a UA-cam video #262
Huh? OMG, the Skillshare Link totally just took me away from the video itself.
this video explain how, as a real estate agent, the question "How 'good' are the schools?" can be come a weird coded question with complex answers.
This reminds me of Tool Time, where the host of the show mixes in personal life with the subject matter.
The most important thing that makes a school good is other students. There's a big difference between a class full of good students that want to study and a class full of students that don't care
With lawsuit-happy parents that resent when their kids are held to standards
Awesome video but a down side of larger school districs can lead to schools be more focused on sports rather than acedemics. I always thought it was silly a high school would brag about their football team rather then acedemics.
Unless their students plan to be professional athletes.
You will have to age 11 before your child may get the Hogwarts letter. Good Luck!
Wouldn’t it just make sense to have one school district across the whole country or state, and allocate out the property taxes revenues proportionally to schools relative to their size/number of students and teachers in a school.
No. I don't want someone in California dictating the curriculum and how the school should funtion in Florida.
A nation-wide district wouldn't be good, but on the state or at least county level would be smart
Yeah but then you couldn't funnel taxes into rich school districts. Next you're going to say we shouldn't do Gerrymandering.
Book of Stories sorry yes, I didn’t think of that. A state district then I should say.
AnxiousGary no you shouldn’t be able to do gerrymandering, not at all. Boundaries should be drawn by an independent, non partisan commission, and I know of the places that already do so, they’ve been met with success.
It's been unconstitutional in Ohio to fund schools with property taxes for like... 2 decades. But the legislature simply hasn't written new laws yet. So.... Broken government lol.
Most important thing about school is community, do the parents know one another? Does the teacher live somewhat in the community, do the kids move around a lot or know each other for their whole lives living in the district
Absolutely nuts that "should we desegregate our society" is an actual debate still going on bruh. Knowing our history I probably shouldn't be very surprised though.
Are you in Kenosha, or did you just select Kenosha for your map?
We homeschool, which involves its own set of costs and sacrifices. However, we found that we are not overpaying for real estate based simply on the herd's perception of a "quality school." It is truly a rat race in which so many people are invested that we found it very refreshing to not have to face those tough decisions.
it's very disappointing that american public schools are not to the quality of other European countries. I wish you luck with homeschooling
The school we take our kids is great, however the rate on Greatschools is terrible. One of the major reasons is that the standardized test scores are lower due to the the many immigrant students who cannot understand the standardized tests and have less resources (as mentioned in the video). Great vid as always.
Where I live you get to chose to go to any school with in the county