Calli and Kronii Talk About BURNOUT and Shallow Friendships 【Hololive EN】

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  • @legit6353
    @legit6353 2 дні тому +471

    Duality of Kronii
    Gives free therapy
    Ask forbidden question

    • @pimiento3428
      @pimiento3428 2 дні тому +41

      trauma trade hahaha

    • @LunaDraconis
      @LunaDraconis 2 дні тому +32

      Law of Equivalent Exchange

    • @craimaxblack
      @craimaxblack 2 дні тому +15

      She is smart, give you a free sample of good therapy, then give you a heavy trauma so you need to return to her, and now she will ask you payment

    • @Dingus_Khaan
      @Dingus_Khaan День тому +1

      Just don't make the mistake of _giving_ her therapy.

    • @pimiento3428
      @pimiento3428 22 години тому

      @@Dingus_Khaan
      not worth the five simoleons

  • @thenoisyninja
    @thenoisyninja 2 дні тому +291

    Kronii is exactly that type of person who will talk stuff through with you WHILE going through stuff themselves

    • @slowlypassingaway1285
      @slowlypassingaway1285 День тому +5

      Relatable lol

    • @AsaTJ522
      @AsaTJ522 День тому +8

      She has huge big sister energy. She seems to always know what to say to put a situation in context. Very wise and emotionally intelligent.

  • @Shiro-Nethermore
    @Shiro-Nethermore 2 дні тому +317

    This makes me think of Kronii's last Stream With Ame she really does Value her friends

    • @NhatAnhPhamDr
      @NhatAnhPhamDr 2 дні тому +31

      She is always real and down to the earth

  • @WoodlandMorning
    @WoodlandMorning 3 дні тому +225

    Please never change that end clip.
    It has always brought a smile to my face and I play it out every time.

    • @XP-kun
      @XP-kun 3 дні тому +25

      Same here.

    • @nishilim
      @nishilim  3 дні тому +51

      For as long as miko is my oshi (so forever) that will always be my end screen 😌🙏

  • @ZeptoZeno
    @ZeptoZeno 2 дні тому +97

    Kronii really shines when she's being real like this. I like her a lot more this way. I hope the members that don't tend to show these moments at least have them off stream. Those moments are important.

  • @squalleonkeneddyheart4191
    @squalleonkeneddyheart4191 3 дні тому +183

    I really liked this peptalk so much with Calli and Kronii.

  • @bigbakaboon
    @bigbakaboon 2 дні тому +24

    i recently ended a 30 year friendship because i realized they were a drain on me. It's sunk cost fallacy. You don't want to do it. But man, you feel the relief of ending it pretty quickly.

  • @berserkknightdeadoralive702
    @berserkknightdeadoralive702 3 дні тому +136

    Personally, as a Dead Beat, I really love to see this from Calli, and I love Kronii just as much, thanks to this advice she gave her. Among other things, a good friend is someone who will motivate you to do what's right for yourself and others, or to see things in a better way. While is true that sometimes bad things happen and is just random chance, is also true that some problems that we face in our lives come from an incorrect persepctive of the world and ourselves.
    It's a mistake everyone makes, and no should feel ashamed for it, but learning from that mistake is what allow us to become actual adults. Meaning, people who have learned how to deal with life problems effectively, and as a result, can make the most of what life is offering us, sometimes good, sometimes bad.
    So, I remember that Calli actually said something like "I need a reason to live, I need people to need me". And while ofc she's important for us, not just as a content creator, but also as a person we care about, I think that mentality is quite incorrect, and it will not lead to happiness in the long run. I guess everyone has felt in a similar way at some point of our lives; it's just that, isn't enough to dedicate your life to the wellbeing of others, you have to live your life first and foremost for yourself. It's not much about being self-centered, is more about fulfilling a responsability towards yourself, and what will be the best for you, so in that way, you can fully offer your best self to people who need you
    Like in many stories, where the Hero needs to work on their own selfbetterment, also known as character development, in roder to find the clue that will allow them to save the day; is exactly the same for everyone in real life
    So, my point with all this is, I'm glad that Kronii helped Calli to see things in a better way than before, for her own wellbeing, emotionally speaking.
    There are some times, for all of us, to be sad, lost, hurted or confused about life, but at some point you just have to find a way to keep moving forward... And, y'know? Heal and leave sadness, as the night of a new day, behind
    There will be times to be sad, for yourself and for others, but I guess most of the time, the default feeling of life, the one that tells you everything is alright, should be peace... Kinda similar to the Jedi Code from Star Wars: "there's no emotion, there is peace"
    At least, y'know? IMO ✌

    • @texitocfyd
      @texitocfyd 2 дні тому +7

      One of the things that Calli doesnt realized. Japan, and japanese persons tragically are in one of the most hard times to make friends and New familys. It had become so hard that even people decided to make thing for themselves all thé time. Tourist and foreginer living thereare look badly for making thing different, but they dont realize how they are working right now in this moment.
      Being in Japan in this moment is hard mode in friendships, Just that.
      I sound rscistnmsybe. But Just look how mamy videos are out there talking exactly about that.

  • @michaelsingh8487
    @michaelsingh8487 2 дні тому +37

    I love it when Tem Tenders gives me free advice

  • @starscythe2099
    @starscythe2099 2 дні тому +31

    People come and go. Let them. The ones that want to stay, will. It can be hard but you need to let go of your ego. (Ego as in the psychological ego, not as in egotistical) I really like friendships that can be dropped and picked up where you left off. I’m of the age to appreciate that everyone has their own lives to live. Plus, give you more to catch up on.

  • @notinusesoon4975
    @notinusesoon4975 2 дні тому +50

    you won't have friend problems if you don't have one bro

    • @Nomimonyo
      @Nomimonyo 2 дні тому +7

      🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
      You're on to something....
      Might murder my friends now...

    • @daiki0099
      @daiki0099 2 дні тому +5

      right on ive stop having new friends and keep having the same hood we've built to lessen friend problems.

    • @RoyalFusilier
      @RoyalFusilier 2 дні тому +2

      That's what you think, but then of course your problem becomes that you don't have friends.

    • @SaplingExtreme
      @SaplingExtreme 2 дні тому +2

      Modern problems require modern solutions

    • @GojiraZibirus
      @GojiraZibirus 10 годин тому

      Well, you are not wrong

  • @Furuchooo
    @Furuchooo 2 дні тому +3

    Calli's fears come from past experiences so I feel its normal for her to have those feelings. She probably imagines the possibility of getting rejected again by the ppl she considered friends.
    Really glad that Kronii gave that puppy talk to her. Thats a friendship that will survived dificult times

  • @arizeta3540
    @arizeta3540 2 дні тому +12

    I understand with Calli....when I was a teenager and felt happy in my own life bubbles....but suddenly adulthood hit ...then internet becomes more accessible....one day I sleep and wake .there always new technique and technology that progress....if I'm sitting in a safe bubble..I don't think so, I will manage to keep up in relevancy.

  • @DoaHunter
    @DoaHunter 2 дні тому +7

    This is nice and wholesome and helpful. This is why I love hololive. 2 friends helping each other out.

  • @benhicks9481
    @benhicks9481 2 дні тому +15

    I feel Calli has already reached the point of being able to do this (singing, gaming etc) forever (as she put it) as she's got such a committed fanbase now. Does she feel like she has do more and gain more subs etc? If so she really doesn't (I hope she knows this), its not always about more, more, more. She has a great fanbase, guess people can't help being doubtful

    • @Earliersphere
      @Earliersphere 2 дні тому +6

      she seems to be stuck in the hustle mind set if you aren't on the grind all the time you are be definition a failure, she has no solid goal after getting signed to UMG and the Album and anime collabs. so she has a ill defined goal. that plus always being on the grind and trying to lift others but not stopping to enjoy the moment and have actual pride in what she has. She moves on to the next thing, thankfully she has friends like Kronii, milkyqueen, Kiara that will beat her over the head with perspective.

  • @sentro95
    @sentro95 2 дні тому +6

    8:00 it took me some years to realize this. I was this person. Now that I'm not this person, less IRL "friends" talk to me. If I have to get with them I have to find them and like the clock lady said fuck them.

  • @WeddhPL
    @WeddhPL День тому

    This whole talk hit more home than I expected

  • @AstridKitsune
    @AstridKitsune 13 годин тому

    Honestly this is what I needed to hear right now

  • @deadbeatseikor0wonl1dance88
    @deadbeatseikor0wonl1dance88 2 дні тому +11

    Awww. That line of Calli always try to be accomodating to friends despite friends not being that accomodating to her reminds me lowkey of her DND session with Myth. She really struggled with that specially with Gura being a professional at disappearing and Ame was hard to come by already around those times. Salute to my queen. Hope she gets some relaxing time sometime.

  • @thelegendofdestiny5116
    @thelegendofdestiny5116 2 дні тому +8

    When kronii said I would stick around it hit hard😢

  • @unoriginalname6604
    @unoriginalname6604 3 години тому

    Y'all ever just watch something that's so relatable it's almost uncomfortable
    Because MY GOD-
    (I did enjoy this video very much, Kronii really said some things I really needed to hear, my favorite EN member for a reason 💙)

  • @ternence8818
    @ternence8818 2 дні тому +3

    03:10 Yeah,that’s one of my deepest fear.Would anyone still be around if I’m not…me?What if all the emotions and personalities I express is all a facade I trick myself that it’s me

  • @raph8505
    @raph8505 2 дні тому +33

    The BIGGEST thing I noticed between male and female friendships is that for guys, both sides can go without contact all of a sudden for like 3+ years (or more) and pick-up where they left off like nothing ever happened.
    As for girls (what I've been told by them), they need to maintain their friendship status by talking/updating/hanging out with each other from time to time. If not, then most would get the hint of "oh they don't talk/like me anymore, so I guess (I/they) don't consider (me/them) as a friend anymore."

    • @kos2919
      @kos2919 2 дні тому

      Sadly this is also the reason why some wives with husband who work overseas or military deployment cheat. It got so bad in the military they get a nickname, Dependapotomous.

    • @21eiroeiro12
      @21eiroeiro12 2 дні тому +14

      yeah as a guy i have to say that something heavy has to happen for guys to stop being friends, as i have seen guys for like 3-4 years and when we see eachother its like oh whats up long time no see and just hang out like it was yesterday

  • @brreakfastYT
    @brreakfastYT 2 дні тому +4

    I can't imagine being befriended just because of my status or some material reason. At least not myself. I can empathize with that thought though, it seems like a depressing situation.
    I'm glad to see them bonding like this. I hope that the talents stay in touch at least after their time at Hololive (and I hope they stay and share their time and joy with us much longer)

  • @manhealme
    @manhealme 2 дні тому +7

    Kronii and Calli's pep talk about these is basically.e and my friends at the mamak (me as a Malaysian) after work.

  • @unownnnn
    @unownnnn День тому

    Damn what a great moment I'm glad they had this talk on stream. I'm working through what Calli feels in therapy and it's true what Kronii says, there's no rush to achieve everything at once

  • @suprgee
    @suprgee 2 дні тому +1

    this is a very close friends kind of talk actually

  • @sutor9529
    @sutor9529 2 дні тому +2

    Well, Mori and others have to be prepared for things like this when things
    don't go the way they want them to. This should also be a reminder and warning
    to future applicants that the entertainment industry is a lot of stress and work.
    That you have to meet the expectations of the viewers and fans and at the same
    time the expectations of the company, which is not always easy.

  • @Crackalacking_Z
    @Crackalacking_Z День тому

    The clock lady made a lot of sense.

  • @joss3_py
    @joss3_py День тому

    "I wanna be nice to people so that they wanna be around 'cause maybe I'm not too fun to hang around with"
    Kronii, thats why you are my oshi, you are just like me, I just can't be myself around people because they always think I have different or weird things I like
    I fucking love Kronii's powerwash simulator streams

  • @narahiko4847
    @narahiko4847 2 дні тому +1

    The things that kronii said, they’re things that Ive personally experienced, even now I only have 2 people in my life i could consider as friends. 5:02 is really relatable to me

  • @Thee_Znutz
    @Thee_Znutz 2 дні тому +1

    Wise words of knowledge from Our beautiful time warden.

  • @RambleOn07
    @RambleOn07 2 дні тому +1

    If your friends ditch you because you are no longer useful to them anymore, they were never friends. They were manipulative work associates.

  • @khov
    @khov 3 дні тому +13

    CUTE CLOCK

  • @TheGreyParse
    @TheGreyParse 2 дні тому +1

    Calli's dilemma hits too close for me. I've lost count of how many times I found myself asking similar questions in recent years, in the context of what constitutes a real friend. There's quite a few people I don't talk to anymore, for that specific reason.

  • @ceresbane
    @ceresbane 2 дні тому +3

    Creatives and enemtertainment industry is such an oxymoron.
    Good things require time to cook. Yiu not only need to make something. You need to let it sit and allow time for you yo reiterate and refine something to the best it could be.
    But the money wants their quarterly reports to say the number went up so... Stuff comes out and its not always the best.

  • @lullypawp3479
    @lullypawp3479 2 дні тому +1

    When kronii says shell stay, i believe it

  • @waterfall184
    @waterfall184 2 дні тому +1

    Someone... Pet the Warden
    So wholesome

  • @RambleOn07
    @RambleOn07 2 дні тому

    There's a difference between friends and acquaintances. The problem is finding out that they didn't think of you in the same way.

  • @theoverlordbear
    @theoverlordbear 3 дні тому +11

    I get what Calli feels about feeling the irrational need to rush progress, especially as a Holostarmin. But remembering not only things like how people can be freaking famous for freaking dumb reasons but also things like how people can be actually good even when the spotlight isn't on them keeps me going. And if I never watched the Stars the way I've done, I wouldn't be enjoying all these VTubers I'm enjoying. And if one those folks I like drops their integrity, then I'll keep my distance unless they really want to continue having integrity as they should be having that. After all, we're all fools who are meant to wise up with the help of faith, choice, and community. Even the most solitary folks are built to be such.
    And to make this comment of mine even more personal, I'm also reminded of how awkward I feel about expressing myself as a Holostarmin around my close friends, especially my fellow VTuber fanboys. Sure, we're tolerant about each other's interests, and my best friend has even accompanied me to conventions where I also further express that interest of mine, but it's clear that those also VTuber fanboys among the friends I made in our all-boys high school days are more or less here for just the ladies of VTubing like the current average VTuber fanboy. It's sad, and I could drown myself in nostalgia like those folks who act like they should automatically have some immaturely sad reaction to their favorite VTubers ending their tenures, but remembering how my high school days could've been better even with the fun I had back then is one reason why I watch and enjoy HOLOSTARS and the other communities that the Stars also have me watching and enjoying. In short, if I'm gonna miss peeps and/or things, I'd rather miss 'em like a badass.
    And Calli better remember that she had served as my gateway to VTubing in general, especially when she collaborated with Rikka, and that I feel her support for the Stars as well a lot even though her interactions with them are occasional. Also, Kronii better remember that my top favorite interaction of hers with the Stars is her usage and crediting of Shien's Mafia cover ending monologue, as while Stars EN finally got me watching VTuber streams live, and stuff like holoSALT and that one counseling(?) session are fun enough to be considered fave moments of mine, my efforts to give further support to Stars JP got me feeling like appreciation for not only Stars JP but also JP VTubers in general is one thing, if not the only thing, that has become even more underrated than it originally was ever since the Gura Era started, and I suppose that (and Kronii's possession of him, haha) is another reason why Axel Syrios, who's also fluent in Japanese, is my top favorite VTuber.

  • @YasaiTsume
    @YasaiTsume 2 дні тому +1

    I think one can only understand what Calli is talking about if they have been on the receiving end of "losing out on a chance"
    It really does gigasuck to have a chance right there and due to not pushing for it, lose it and your life trajectory could have been changed for the better but didn't. It does form a degenerative mentality to keep pushing hard despite not needing to do so because of fear of missing on a chance again. I feel that deeply.

  • @wolfwoof4446
    @wolfwoof4446 2 дні тому

    I know its harder for calli about feeling scared of people leaving her if she stops, since shes shown through end of a life, that theres this irrational guilt of HER leaving her old friends behind when she popped off. I just wish she knows that there will always be people who support her, deadbeats, her friends, her colleagues. People change, and thats fine. Its part of living, and gives tastes and colours to our lives.
    I also connect with kronii with how she deals and considers her friends. Throughout 20 yrs of my life, Ive only had one person who stayed with me for more than 3 years. We dont talk a lot, we now live in totally different continents, but we know we're friends. I close myself off from ppl, knowing no ones gonna stay either way. That makes me look arrogant, and people avoid me from it. Doesnt help that i get socially drained easily. The people who did stay are people who knows when i need them and when to leave me be. For these ppl, I would give my all to help them and be a friend. But like kronii, they have to go through some hoops to show me that theyll stay. Until then, I dont trust ppl, and wont consider them as a friend.

  • @GojiraZibirus
    @GojiraZibirus 10 годин тому

    Man i love... Idk who i love, I'm real?

  • @jacksonsmith5864
    @jacksonsmith5864 2 дні тому

    1:12 The problem with what Kronii says here is that not everyone has the ability to just take off work or whatever and relax. Not everyone has friends and family they can go hangout with. If you DO have friends of course it is important to keep them close but also life just happens and maybe those friendships can't continue for whatever reason. Other than that her advice about friendships is solid.
    Also, for someone like Calli in her position, the best thing for her career and her fans and even her friends is to NOT always go 100% and take care of themself and take breaks. It benefits everyone because if she does keep going 100% all the time, she WILL get burnout anyway and nobody wants that.

  • @GralbGralbX2
    @GralbGralbX2 2 дні тому +6

    Yeah some people don’t realize especially a very large amount of people on twitch
    That VTubing CAN be extremely long and time intensive work. Doesn’t apply to all vtubers but most if not all hololive talents work their ass off.
    Especially people like Cali who consistently drops music, streaming daily sometimes twice a day, Collabs, mocap for anything, rehearsal and concert performances and prob some other stuff I’m not aware of or just forgetting about
    Not to mention all the traveling you seemingly do.
    I’ll watch a clip and someone will say their in Japan. A clip later they are talking in the background of raoras setup in Italy

  • @ChunkyOreo
    @ChunkyOreo День тому

    damn, i dunno how i feel after watching this clip. To my problem i always felt that i have no friends, same thing from what they said "am i not good enough for them" is what I'm asking to myself. And when I want to talk about something, i just don't have any friends that would want to listen to me or have time to sacrifice for me. Or maybe I'm an idiot and stupid enough to not reaching out to others. 😮😢

  • @prosewolf
    @prosewolf 2 дні тому +6

    People change and so do friendships and dynamics. Every ten years or so, the closest friends migrate away and new friends emerge. That's just how we are.

  • @AtomicZaku
    @AtomicZaku 18 годин тому

    Ouch.

  • @125discipline2
    @125discipline2 2 дні тому +4

    friends are not someone you like or dislike. some friends can be annoying asf but they'll be there for you, and you have to be there for them. dont bother with feelings, it's an obligation to fulfill.

  • @ivemu5008
    @ivemu5008 2 дні тому

    Is Calli jabbing her "friends" during her early Mori days that leeches of her popularity and we the fans saw it from miles away and absolutely dislike those group of people? We told you so.

  • @alejandroguerra7561
    @alejandroguerra7561 День тому +1

    Man Kronii truly is goated

  • @daiki0099
    @daiki0099 2 дні тому +9

    Oh i sure hope that sharky is okay 🦈🥺🙏🦈 shirmpas still waiting

  • @thecatrooms
    @thecatrooms 2 дні тому +3

    Kapriikorn energy

  • @Hunter-yj7ul
    @Hunter-yj7ul 2 дні тому

    How young is kali miiopie?

  • @orctrihar
    @orctrihar 2 дні тому +2

    Imagine you grown pratically entirely with toxic poeple around you and then try to manage yourself to be a working memeber of society

  • @visalserei
    @visalserei 2 дні тому

    Diddy: You haven't come to my party anymore, aren't we no longer friend?
    Justine Bieber: Ahh--ahh you see, I--
    Some friend just wants Uranus.

  • @jestergodfield690
    @jestergodfield690 2 дні тому

    Is this them talking about Ame?

  • @Eniscen
    @Eniscen 2 дні тому +6

    I hope by "hobbies" they're not talking about Gambling coz holy shit nobody wins from Gambling.

    • @Chido_Agent
      @Chido_Agent 2 дні тому +11

      I think it's clear they're talking about skill-based hobbies here...