Mail Today Culture Conclave : New Age Nationalism & Culture In India
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2017
- Pavan Varma, Former MP Rajya Sabha and Author, Prof. Makarand Paranjape, Professor & Poet at JNU, David Frawley, Vedic Scholar and Sadia Dehlvi, Columnist & Writer speak at a session titled 'Jugalbandi' moderated by Abhijit Majumder, Mail Today Managing Editor at Mail Today Culture Conclave held in Delhi.
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A Muslim on a panel will never argue with out projecting themselves as Victims first.
True... Dare hue log.... 🙄😬😂
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Point always need to be noted....
Itna dare huye hai ki mike pakad kar apni bat keh rahe stage pe baith k hindu ke khilaf Bol le rahe nyt Bahut hi dare huye hai 😂 dar kya hota hai shayad inhe Syria Iran Iraq Saudi bhej den tab pata chalega ....
Makarand is very correct. Sadia needs to understand that this is HINDUSTAN and not MUSLIMSTAN.
I agree with u sir
now media started picking right intellect guys....hope this will continue specially prof. pranajape
Indian version of secularism is nothing but core communist ideology - Pro minority and anti-majority (depending on the country)
kashsoldier kya bat boli hai dil jeet lia ..... I totally agree with you
right
A great panel with a mediocre moderator. Prof. Paranjape as always is brilliant. Always proud to be his student, whether far or near. We need more such engagements in public gatherings.
Shaan Kashyap, does prof. Paranjape run any blog or channel? Please let me know if any...
+brajendra pandey he mentioned once, he writes column.
Don't agree.. At least in this discussion/debate he did perform exceptionally well. Moderator should not speak too much and his role is majorly to ask right questions and maintain decoram of the debate and give proper time to panelists to put their views.
Rhutwij Tulankar true. She can't argue with out portraying herself as Victim.
Shaan Kashyap mediocre moderator
Dear sadiya.... india is not only about 2% Delhi elites... it's about rest of us 98%...
True Indian she is pseudo intellectual who spews nonsense
Prof.Makrand you are the premium fragrance of the age old vibrant wisdom of Bharat !
You have been the most refreshing comment to have come across. Thank you..... The words well put with cautious thought process. Love Peace & Harmony
Frawleyji slapped that colonised lady big time.
Wonderful articulation by Makarandji as always. Crisp and deep diving thoughts.
Best part of the speech😂
And Pavan Varma was obnoxious and resorted to personal comments !
Now true intellectual like Paranjpe Sir are getting space in media though hesitation of media is still visible...great thought paranjpe sir...eye opener for so called intellectuals..hats of to your knowledge and deep research on our heritage..
from prof. Makarand pranjape I would request and urge to take part in more and more such intellectual debate you give very "sweet poisonous intellectual peels" to those keep on barging intellectualism always and ashamed the dharmic civilisation for sake....keep continue professor. I have also great respect for shri Pavan verma he is humble and 3pointer from the very stage of intellectual salers. ..nice and peacefully deliverd. thanks
rajiv malhotra and makarand paranjape give it good.
just add Swapan Dasgupta... and nobody can counter
Dr. Frawley's last statements were spot on. The world in actuality knows nothing about India. Especially the journalists. There are certain news houses who benefit from painting India in bad light as it caters to local consumption. This should not be seen as a reflection or result of Indian governance or such.
Asking anyone about India, the best the average person would say is, "its a far off place".
Sid Sarma 👏
Pawanji thinks Hindus and Hinduism is spreading hatred and keeps butting in everytime.
well India lmaoo
Watched it for the men in the middle...Dr. frawley you are more of a bharatiya than most Indians.....you've proved that a dharmi doesn't necessarily have to be an Indian.. keep inspiring us all Sir..
So true Arvind. He is a Guru . Has an Indian Name too. Also, he's not likely to take a u-turn back to christianity , unlike many others. But, every Bhaaratiya , if initiated in Dharma System, can be as strong a Bhaaratiya as he is.
If all muslims & sadias and salmans think of Bharat as their Motherland, will she have to come and whine about how Hindus are treating her ? Verma guy was supportive of her.Secular comraderie.
Pranam to Makrand ji and David Frawley ji proud of you both you have infused confidence to the oppressed citizen of the great nation Bharat
This is how a debate should occur. Everyone is well behaved, no shouting, allowing others to complete their point, celebration of divergent views, more importantly it's not fake.. Factual, logical and rational almost all the time.
David Frawley is awesome in this discussion....very straight forward !
More I listen to this, I realize only Dr. Frawley is unapologetically rooting for the ancient civilizational ethos of Indiato be revived and reasserted.
Unapologetic, and fearless. Even Paranjape is humming and hawing. But he is using the right terminology too. The country needs them all.
Dr. Frawley's understanding comes from a deeper, spiritual plane, which gives him an edge over the rest of the panelists. He doesn't mince words or play to the gallery since his spiritual/experiential knowledge gives him unwavering conviction in the truth he represents.
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Yes.
He's a mature Sadhu grounded in this world too kashsoldier.
Professor Makarand Paranjpe has better argument. 👌👌👌👍👍
Dr David u rock ...wahabism is a real problem in islam
Never thought about the meaning of the song Chaap Tilak.. Thanks Makarand Sir for educating me..
swarna rakshit , and that it has to do with conversions! I agree with you. I enjoy the lyrics of that song. But, now I think a converted tawayaf sings it , right ?
Same here..... I was numb & speechless at the same time
@@MrDillbud Sorry for the extremely late reply. Yes you are right.
ALWAYS question history
I completely agree with Prof.Makarand R Paranjape
Mr Paranjape Great i salute you
Makarand Paranjape and David Frawley made good points !!!
thank u professor, every hindu is great dil to you. We should never forget history.
debate was very interesting and enlightening ....i hope india today will conduct many like this...
This is reason why Makrandji makes a Hero.. The way he puts his points with textual evidences is something he needs to be applauded.
Thank you Mr. Frawley for Loving India so much & showing the true picture to the pseudos & paid media.
Good debate and great to see Prof Paranjpe being allowed to speak! The conclusion clearly shows the meaning of secularism is clear sense when Hindus are in majority.
Shiv Gmail Mov No, conclusion is that as India is culturally Hindu or Indic, secularism is inapplicable to us. Prof. Paranjape said that homogeneous viewpoint does not work. We are plural and secular.
Dr Frawley is gem of person Such an honest man I think our people should understand what he said hopefully
In short, India's history book should not be full of Mughal, British rule of 10 centuries.
But india is 50 centuries old civilization, with Hindus, Buddhist kingdoms, knowledges should also have their share, in defining Modern India's identity.
..& GangaJamna Tehzeb looks very immature & shallow compared to Indus valley civilization, the true Tehzeb of a true Indian.
Indus civilization, Buddhist influence during Gupta Mouryans are also included in the History books. History relies on documentation and archeological findings. So it's natural that facts of ancient history have less evidence than British and Mughals
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Thorough history about almost every era, is known to Archeologists. The issue is how much emphasis do they give to which era. The best way to make people know the relevant history, is during schooling.
If history books taught to toddlers, have special chapters of each Mughal Emperor & each British Viceroy, why don't they teach student equally briefly about each Emperor of Mourya, Gupta, Cholas, Satvahana, & other Mahajanapadas? I know for sure, these kingdoms were run by pure "son of soils" & not by invader-turned natives.
If the Ancient Hindu-Buddhist kingdoms weren't that influencial, you wouldn't find Buddha statues in Afghanistan & Angkor Vat in Cambodia, Tamils in Singapore.
If u wanna know more deeply, visit British Museum in London (Indian Subcontinent section)
Real Madrid in 50+ yrs of Congress secular (?) rule , our study age we read all cooked history books by vote political agenda
@@ade9036 You may be right at some point but just tell me one thing, when mughals were ruling india. There were many hindu and sikh kings like Marathas and Sikhs, who were fighting to save there tradition and culture and many bashed mughals badly, don't you think that need to be included. Just tell me how many of us read about sikhs and marathas dynasty in our history books. And why mughals have always been showed with a very clean image. Why not include how forcefully hindu where converted. We need to understand all the aspects of history rather its good or bad.
This Ganga-Jamuni Tehzeeb is a clever ploy to befool Hindus. This Tahzeeb keeps flourishing as long as the Hindus are at the receiving end.
Closing comment by Prof. Frawley was bang on! Don't judge yourself by foreign media!
Finally the educated intellectual gets an opportunity to articulate their knowledge. Bravo
So Modi and Trump comparison does not work here. Trump is the representative of White Supremacist, who themselves invaded America and colonized the native population. They are similar to the Muslims in India, who invaded and culturally colonized India, forcefully converted Hindus. The only difference is that Whites are the majority in the USA and they have been the oppressor; whereas, in India, the Muslims are the minority in India and have been able to dominate the native Hindu population due to their non-violent nature. Now, the Modi Government is the legitimate force, who wants to reclaim the history and civilization of India that has been mercilessly pluralistic and non-violent. The Trump of India could have been Aurengjeb or Mahmud Gajni. India has undergone a million times more violent state sponsored violence under these two despots in the Medieval India. But liberal Hindu Marxist, in their vain effort of secular liberal foolishness, tries to white-wash that hisotory as if Islam came to the sub-continent to reform the outcaste or Dalits. Very SAD.
The problem with Sadia is that she thinks that all muslims in India are non-violent like her or liberal like her. Which is clearly not true. She used America and Trump argument which does not apply here. The American majority, that is to say, the White European American have whitewashed their native American Genocides or the Mexico Invasion or even a large part of their brutality during the slavery period against Blacks. After listening to Sadia Dehlovi's comparison between Indian history and American history, it seems to me as an American that the Blacks invaded the White Americans four hundred years ago and turned the majority whites into slaves and now the President Trump wants ban on Immigrants and Muslims instead of moving to the future unitedly.
This comparison is so not true. In USA, the history is written from the perspective of Genocidal White Europeans. Now the African Americans, and the Native Americans want their fair share of the history. They do not want revenge against the Whites, (even if they do want revenge, it would not be unfair), all they want is a fair share in the history. They simply want the recognition that White Genocidal Americans violently killed or converted the Native and the Black population.
The history of India unofortunately has been written from the perspective of the Genocidal Minority Muslims. Who are writing these history books? Unfortunately again the Majority Hindu Marxists and Post-colonialists who lack any sense of Indian bloody history or they consciously want to hide it as they think, according to Paranjapee Sir, infantalizing Indian people would somehow prevent the justified anger of Hindus. Look at the history of the USA -- did writing the violent history of White Europeans and their genocides made Natives and Blacks more violent? The answer is NOOO. It opened up and widened the possibility of a greater national Unity. Hiding the Genocidal records of Muslim Invasion might agitate the Indian Hindus for a while. But I think it would widen the possibility of a greater Hindu-Muslim Unity, as Hindus generally tend to prefer Ahimsa.
The worst person in this debate was the guy named Pavan, who thinks that Muslims did genocide but we need not to focus them. He wants to wipe out the history. He will probably forget his father's name tomorrow :D
Good Job, Paranjapee and Bamadeva Shastree sir.
Victor Hugo, Sir just a reminder, India is a hindu majority bcoz the muslim majority partitioned India in 1947. The India today is amputated before... and Indians forgive, they believe everything happends for good... may be the amputation helped them to achieve atleast democracy..!! ya everything happends for good..😊
Victor Hugo . true.Muslims not only invaded, committed genocides etc., but . this woman is lying when she says that the muslims became one with India's culture. My Foot ! Ganga-jamni tehzeeb ! Hogwash .Then, why do they, though original Hindus(Converts) have problem saying Vande Maataram or Bharat Mata ki jai . and why in the name of peace be upon you Allah , are there terrorist attacks ? Hindus were accepting of them despite the rapes etc., but, it's the muslims who won't allow that.They , along with kristus & seculars, keep inflicting fresher and fresher wounds.We are supposed to forget and forgive all atrocities and trespasses. Only ,they will always remember, to convert us wholehog and turn India into a barbaric man killing and eating man kabailes.
@@unknownmadog8557 uh uh.. you have a wrong notion. At the time of Partition, Undivided India had a population of 390 Million, of which 300 Million were Hindus. So, Hindus were still a huge majority that time also.
And on Democracy, you're again singing the song of idiot West. Amputation didn't brought in Democracy. India had to snatch it from Britishers. India had been denied democracy from long due to colonization.
The lady in panel is in panic.
It's primal instinct. Her DNA has it registered since birth that her ancestors were robbers, pilferers, plunderers, rapists and utterly stupid. Her panic comes from a molecular level.
Truly appreciate what Mr pawan verma ji said. Lot of respect for him. Great sir. You really surprised me.
Secularism and communal harmony, especially in Kashmir, showcases Muslim and Congress rule.
just look at her face the derision and veiled hatred she has in her eyes after Prof. Paranjape calls out the infamies perpetuated against Hinduism in name of Islam by conquerers. That expression is priceless when these charlatans cannot snide and sneer behind the charade of secularism. Kudos to Dr Frawley as always.
History needs to be re-written with no malice. State the truth and face it without any prejudice. There is no room for retribution.
Next step of BJP. They are working on it.
Good job Prof. Paranjape as always is brilliant.,
after feeling cornered so called intellectual play a minority card..
y then madrassas teach arabic, parsi or urdu ... any madrassa teach Sanskrit? why muslim support palestine but not pak hindus?
Prof. Makarand Paranjape is brilliant.
Except Sadia and anchor, everyone spoke to the point.
And pavan verma is trying hard to add secularism to historical facts... He apposed CAA and was expelled from JDU in January 2020😁😁
I never knew South Indians came from outside. I thought we were the originals of India. She seems to think otherwise. Her family was here for 400. Tho hum log kya samundar mein tha?
Prof Makrand is awesome.
Great respect to Makarand Sir 🙏
Dvid ji I am inspired by your book 'How I Became Hindu'. You are great
Prof. Makarand and Mr. FRAWLEY.... Great speech.. 👏👏
Gangs jamna tehseeb? Madam r u in your senses?
PORK ganga and yamuna both are own, they just snatched.
Can you translate to English? What is meant by Ganga jamuna tahseeb?
+AviOR and their favourite line "we are oppressed" 😂
Tehseeb is an Arabic word which in Hindi means Sanskriti and may be in English called Culture! सभ्यता, शिष्टाचार!
Makarand Paranjpe sir.. Hats off to you... 🙏🙏
Thank u India Today for this interview.. 😃
The problem with the world is that the fools are full of confidence and the intelligents are full of doubts!!!!!
David Frawley decimated the communist nicely, also the lutiens Delhi 15:19
Minorities are not "taken along" but the minorities "have to GO along"
Very well said !
Not true. India has been overtaken by minorities for a millennia. Still is.
great points by Makarand Paranjape
My namaskar to David Frawley, I am surprised how David put it. He knows more about country and current state and problems than us. I hope to see all Indians with our ancient Bharat identity.
Oh ! No where I were after 5 years completed but today I have heard and seen such a lovely, intellectual and performing debate. Lord Shiva has given a superb chance. Thank You
Very good job done by Mr Rakesh, Mr paranjape and Mr Devid
Thanks a lot to become great India🇮🇳
Hat's off to Professor Makrand
Why the journalist intrupted profs paranjape clearly he is making sense speaking truth and making others uncomfortable
Prof Paranjape is such a gem. A thorough gentleman and an excellent speaker!
Marathi Manus , on the roll, killing it all !
It's an Awesome debate.
But what I like most is what do you think about Yogi ji ?
Sadia - I can't say anything.
Yehi Darr pasand aya mujhe. Yogi ji rocks.
Prof paranjape,
I am very impressed by your thought of Truth in reconciliation. I am looking for that day where muslims say sorry for genocide of conversion, destruction, rape, slavery and seriously wonder if there are enough muslims who think of genuine healing. I fear of Gazva Hind where India will become a muslim nation under the garb of secularism
I have a pakistani muslim friend whom I treat as my brother. We are both physicans in USA and worry about all the fighting between India and Pakistan and between Hindu and muslims
I truly think in order for indian subcontinent to be peaceful, there's got be true acceptance of treachery of foreign invaders and foster great interaction between all groups for ideas to live with current issues and condemn all radical ideas and subdue them all the time
David fowly is more indian than most of these journalists
Prof. Makrand is great
sadiya you speak lie fully. your people don't have mind. they your peoples are just trying to convert to islam. Connect to roots. Change mindset.
FAULAL It's called Taqia !
Prof. Paranjape is Brillian. People like him and Mr Ranganathan are mech needed
grt saying by dr David Frawley at the very last minute...
I agree to most of the points which. Mr. Marakand pointed out.
To me this is one debate in a long long time with an extremely parallel views and opinions. This kind of debates are appreciated and needs to come forward more ...
Professor Makarand is ❤️
Just noticed him in a random debate and I am addicted to hearing him.
We need more intellectuals like him.
He bodied that lady panelist who was trying to whitewash Chisti and invasion, Tyranny by citing "see We translated upnishads in Persian"
So we didn't had students from other parts of world in Nalanda and takshashila be he translated it.
For someone's good deed we can't forget the Tyranny of invaders which constitute the major part of the history.
Good argument paranjape sir.
Sadia Dehlvi was completely undone by the intelligence of prof. Makarand and David Fraley and she had nothing to say.. so at the end she decided to play the usual victim card
राम सिर्फ़ हिंदुओ के नहीं बल्कि सम्पूर्ण भारत के लोगों के हैं 🙏🏽
जय श्री राम
Really inspiring to listen prof. Makarand
7:17 At the darga of Baba farid Meditation techniques borrowed by Yogis? Has the lady gone mad?
@sahil thakur प्राणायाम is invented by महिर्ष Patanjali......🙄🙄🙄
@sahil thakur lmao sure, you need to read more
Prof. Makarand sir ..salut sir
ultimatly u teaching the real image of fake secularist. ..
it was a great programme . like it
At 8:24,she says,"Islam is like a clear water spring which takes on the colours of the lands it flows through." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
History teaches you to lessons and true history must be learnt objectively without fear and bias. You can not forget or forgive those who were crusaders and did torture people who were non-Muslims. That stand should not translate as opposing existing Muslim population
Excellent speech /reply by the professor.
Half way through and Paranjape is on a roll. Calling them out brilliantly.
Dharm parivartan ho raha hai par aankhein toh mil rahin hain. His point and body language in the context is sooo good.
Also, the point about how somehow it was not polite to mention the damage done to India by foreign occupations.
Als
Excellent discussion and very much appreciate Pawan Verma, Makrand and David Frawley for their very positive and progressive contribution
Makrand paranjape is all right and given genuine answer comparison to others specially MP and sadiya
Guruji aap ne sahi baat kahi
Jo apne aap ko scholars ke naam se jaante hai unhe fir se padhne ki jarurat hai
Hakikat yah hai ki jaante sab hai par sahi ko sahi tarike se promote nahi karte
Jay ho
Vande Mataram
Madam so eloquent only thing come to mind for her" हम आह भी करते हैं तो हो जाते हैं बदनाम
वो क़त्ल भी करते हैं तो चर्चा भी नहीं होता।"
It is about time Indians begin going back to over 5,000 years and over when only HINDUSTANI greatest people were there and all the literature in Sanskrit....Let's try to bring all those literature that will tell the world what has been taught by Indian literature....
Makrand ji and David ji nailed it👍
Well said Markandeyaji
Taj mahal (Tejo-mahalya), Qutub minar and red forts were seized from hindus by mughals.
markandey sir gave very excellent answers with contex of history and of present situation.
This is how a debate should be. No screaming and shouting. Very good.
Really an extra ordinary discussion
pleasantly surprised to Pavan Varma's narrations!
I don't agree with professor when he says secularism doesn't represent mainstream.
The fact is , it doesn't represent any stream of Indian culture,not even charvakas.
Secularism is foreign to india
Very healthy debate,that’s what it supposed to be 😊but the only sad part of it is the lady ! I don’t know how to put it,fragile!insecure feelings,knowledge???Very polite and down to earth Anchor ✨👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
This one is the best debate I ever seen. Here Mr. Pawan Verma and Mr. Pranjal show the real picture of India. Mrs. Sadia the point you make an imaginary point and mam you want to make this platform to use Muslim as suppressor. This is not true. We must learn from History and accept our pitfalls not hide. The best point in the whole debate is made by Mr. Winfrey sir. Hats off to you sir.
Muslims had a good time being appeased in the erstwhile regime, now that they are being treated at par they feel victims, even the likes of Hamid Ansari and dehlavi lady, these people had it good for far too long, I'm glad they are made to look in the mirror.
Loved this debate.. every speakers rocks.. dats how debate shd be organised..
Excellent explanation by paranjape
Hats off to you Mr Prangal sir for showing the truth based on fact and research.
Amazing debate. Even if I don't agree to all arguments by all panelists...but loved listening to every one of them.
*Her EYES 👀 😬😂*