I have a sol-ark 8k system, there has been two power outages in the last two weeks and the way I have my system setup I only knew it because the system sent me a text informing me the grid was down. Everything ran with no issue's.
Hi. Nice setup. Have you looked into the disadvantages of daisy chaining the batteries, as opposed to using busbars? There's a lot of energy lost in heat while charging and discharging batteries in a daisy chain setup. David Poz did a really informative video on it.
Yeah idk why everybody daisy chains. Use a flir temp sensor and you’ll see the last leg of each side running hot from the cumulative amps. If they upsized each daisy chain by even one gauge you wouldn’t get the heat. I’ll always use a copper busbar rated for minimum 800 amps on each side for positive and negative. It’ll be a big thick piece of metal but I guarantee that busbar won’t be hot anywhere. I see so many OCD people doing this stuff, and completely missing the important stuff.
Is a backed-up loads panel necessary if you are using the Lumin smart panel? I don't see any schematics in the Sol Ark manual showing an option without a backed-up loads panel. They all have a backed-up loads panel. But, it seems like the Lumin load shedding would make the backed up loads panel unnecessary.
I understand that that system puts out enough power to match the grid but I'm pretty sure I've only had that much running at once during holiday prep...
Looking for solar videos of sites in more northern climates. I'm Upstate NY and deciding between a standby (probably 17.5 to 20KWh) or solar with batteries. But all the solar videos are done in sunny climates (CA, NV, etc.).
Every home and situation is going to be unique, but if you send me an email with some more details and include a copy of your electricity bill and a number I can reach you at we can discuss further. I try to help my viewers out whenever possible. 👍 thesolartruther@gmail.com
Nice battery system but it's 4k plus cycles not 8k. We wish eh lol! Still very cool setup and with a max of 490Kwh with 14 units. I wanted to use the KiloVolt HLX @ 300AH (Max 16 batteries) but wanted to see other options. Thanks for the upload and keep us updated!
The Storz battery is indeed warrantied for 8k cycles (or 15yrs!), making it the lowests cost LiPo/cycle battery out there I have seen. I verified this on the spec sheet, but don't see that on line, but it is on their website: storzpower.com/products/ Where are you getting your info?
The info is from the actual LiFePo4 Cell suppliers. EVE, CATL, and Lishen. Those are 100ah cells, so you can look up the cycle life of those for the REAL specs. Typically 3500 cycles for grade A cells.
no, I did not on this one, because this whole house was on a 100A breaker, so just ran the whole house off the 2 sol-arks. Hopefully I will get make a video for the smart AI soon though!
Probably not. Most batterie systems require at least 2, maybe even 3 or 4 batteries to run your AC condensers. Our 12kw system with 2 tesla powerwalls can run both of our condensers and the air handlers. As they can support 10,000 watts continuous. That's 40amps. Most 3 ton units need between 25 amd 30 amps to start but only about 12-15 to actually run. Newer condensers use multiple capacitors that remove the higher startup amp draw.
Question on the wiring gutters. It looks like you have the DC conductors from the batteries and PV running through the same gutter as the AC conductors. How are you creating separation, or is that not required per NEC? It doesn't seem possible to separate conductors with that setup. Maybe it's a non issue. Not sure.
Is there any way to have a system like this be rapid shutdown compliment? I see that the panels in this setup were ground mounted so there probably wasn't a need for rapid shutdown. My setup will have to be on my roof and my county requires rapid shutdown, can I still use Sol-Arc?
I want to know how much the batteries dropped with that 1minute draw , what was the solar panel at during that ?? That would have been the best information , is their a reason that wasn’t SHOWN ???!!
Can you have batteries as a backup only with the solark. With no solar panels. So Batteries are powered by the grid and if the grib falls out the batteries automatically kick in the support the critical loads.
Yes (if your utility allows them to be charged from the grid), but this is rarely done because when the batteries are drained you have not more power till after the grid turns on again and charges them back up. You also do not benefit from time of use saving nearly as much. You may as well get a generator if you don't has solar with batteries. Why would you not get solar panels anyway? No roof space?
@@TheSolarTruthThanks for the response. I have solar panels and 8 k Solark with 3 5kw batteries. I'm not installing the panels until September but want to know if I can program the Inverter to work with the batteries only as a back up until I get the panels in. Right now I've been able to charge them ok but haven't figured out how to run on battery power when I kill the main power simulating a power loss
@@dubhaltaghohearcain2431 You prob have the panels by now, but for other folks, yes you can. This might be a logical step for someone that has a generator and doesn't want it running full blast for the duration of a power outage. By using a SolArk, Batteries, and a Generator, you could have the generator run only to change the batteries and then shut off.
Just watched your video on "Hawaii banned solar!". Garbage. I hope I'm not expected to believe this video as well. 2x Sol-Ark to run a microwave and induction stove and what else for $17,000 for just the hybrid inverter? That does not prove anything in my mind. Be truthful and push the very expensive system off grid all the way to the published limit. But you may not get that far with nuisance trips is what other on YT are saying.
Did you watch that video though?... Hawaii did 'ban' solar in 2015. For 2 years they did not let anyone do solar. Then they allowed it, but with no Net Energy Metering, and you need batteries. Just what happened... That 2x Sol-Ark system powers that guys whole house... He also got some pretty substantial tax credits and SGIP rebates, but that video was mainly just an operation demonstration video.
I have a sol-ark 8k system, there has been two power outages in the last two weeks and the way I have my system setup I only knew it because the system sent me a text informing me the grid was down. Everything ran with no issue's.
Hi. Nice setup. Have you looked into the disadvantages of daisy chaining the batteries, as opposed to using busbars?
There's a lot of energy lost in heat while charging and discharging batteries in a daisy chain setup.
David Poz did a really informative video on it.
Yeah idk why everybody daisy chains. Use a flir temp sensor and you’ll see the last leg of each side running hot from the cumulative amps.
If they upsized each daisy chain by even one gauge you wouldn’t get the heat.
I’ll always use a copper busbar rated for minimum 800 amps on each side for positive and negative. It’ll be a big thick piece of metal but I guarantee that busbar won’t be hot anywhere.
I see so many OCD people doing this stuff, and completely missing the important stuff.
Is a backed-up loads panel necessary if you are using the Lumin smart panel? I don't see any schematics in the Sol Ark manual showing an option without a backed-up loads panel. They all have a backed-up loads panel. But, it seems like the Lumin load shedding would make the backed up loads panel unnecessary.
I understand that that system puts out enough power to match the grid but I'm pretty sure I've only had that much running at once during holiday prep...
He might be preparing for charging multiple electric vehicles. Future proofing.
Maybe to charge EVs and to run air conditioning
Looking for solar videos of sites in more northern climates.
I'm Upstate NY and deciding between a standby (probably 17.5 to 20KWh) or solar with batteries. But all the solar videos are done in sunny climates (CA, NV, etc.).
look up David Poz videos, he's in MA.
amazing system set up. wow.
Could you give me an estimated cost of what whole system cost the two solar Cox batteries and solar panels thank you
Every home and situation is going to be unique, but if you send me an email with some more details and include a copy of your electricity bill and a number I can reach you at we can discuss further. I try to help my viewers out whenever possible. 👍 thesolartruther@gmail.com
@@TheSolarTruth If it's okay to ask, how much did this setup cost the homeowner? Thanks,
Nice battery system but it's 4k plus cycles not 8k. We wish eh lol! Still very cool setup and with a max of 490Kwh with 14 units. I wanted to use the KiloVolt HLX @ 300AH (Max 16 batteries) but wanted to see other options. Thanks for the upload and keep us updated!
The Storz battery is indeed warrantied for 8k cycles (or 15yrs!), making it the lowests cost LiPo/cycle battery out there I have seen. I verified this on the spec sheet, but don't see that on line, but it is on their website: storzpower.com/products/
Where are you getting your info?
The info is from the actual LiFePo4 Cell suppliers. EVE, CATL, and Lishen. Those are 100ah cells, so you can look up the cycle life of those for the REAL specs. Typically 3500 cycles for grade A cells.
Can you do a demo of the app; I want all the fancy functions and monitoring that a lot of other apps and systems have, thanks
How expensive are the Storz 5.12 batteries to the consumer?
That didn't seem like 5ms switchover to Battery/PV on Grid disconnect. Lights should not flicker. Microwave and Oven should not lose clock settings.
Along with Storz, did you add lumin smart AI?
no, I did not on this one, because this whole house was on a 100A breaker, so just ran the whole house off the 2 sol-arks.
Hopefully I will get make a video for the smart AI soon though!
@@TheSolarTruth any idea when they will start shipping the new 15K? I think it has a 200amp output, that’s a game changer
Is this system noisy as the Growatt? Does their fans very noisy?
Would this system be able to run a central hvac air conditioning system? Or a multi zone mini split?
Sol-Ark Tech support said they only tested up to a 3 ton HVAC unit and it passed. Off-grid my thought without definitive proof is NO.
Probably not. Most batterie systems require at least 2, maybe even 3 or 4 batteries to run your AC condensers. Our 12kw system with 2 tesla powerwalls can run both of our condensers and the air handlers. As they can support 10,000 watts continuous. That's 40amps. Most 3 ton units need between 25 amd 30 amps to start but only about 12-15 to actually run. Newer condensers use multiple capacitors that remove the higher startup amp draw.
do you install these systems?
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Nice system. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
excellent
Thanks a million!
But 10.5kw can be run with only one sol-ark 12k why two ?
to allow more pass through amperage
Yes, more Sol-Arks = more Amps (50Amps ea), so more one time power(kW)/circuits powered. Then the amount of batteries = more duration/run time (kWh)
Sol-Ark are very flexible but their surge performance is not so good. There plenty of YT videos demonstrating their limitations.
Why not true south instead of magnetic south?
Question on the wiring gutters. It looks like you have the DC conductors from the batteries and PV running through the same gutter as the AC conductors. How are you creating separation, or is that not required per NEC? It doesn't seem possible to separate conductors with that setup. Maybe it's a non issue. Not sure.
You can partition the gutter
As long as those two, AC and DC are part of the same system, separating them isn’t required. Ref NEC 300.3C
Are all circuits setup to be offgrid or when the power goes out or do you have a priority load sub panel?
All the home loads were on this system, but batteries typically power a backup load sub panel.
Cost and where to find
Your description doesn’t have sites to check out
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can you add wind power?
Is there any way to have a system like this be rapid shutdown compliment? I see that the panels in this setup were ground mounted so there probably wasn't a need for rapid shutdown. My setup will have to be on my roof and my county requires rapid shutdown, can I still use Sol-Arc?
Yes, Tigo is a common universal Rapid shut down device used for DC roof systems.
I want to know how much the batteries dropped with that 1minute draw , what was the solar panel at during that ?? That would have been the best information , is their a reason that wasn’t SHOWN ???!!
Yeah, that would have been good, sorry I did not include that. It was very minimal.
Way too expensive. Sol-Ark needs to drop their prices to be in line with other vendors, such as their Chinese OEM Deye.
Can you have batteries as a backup only with the solark. With no solar panels. So Batteries are powered by the grid and if the grib falls out the batteries automatically kick in the support the critical loads.
Yes (if your utility allows them to be charged from the grid), but this is rarely done because when the batteries are drained you have not more power till after the grid turns on again and charges them back up. You also do not benefit from time of use saving nearly as much. You may as well get a generator if you don't has solar with batteries. Why would you not get solar panels anyway? No roof space?
@@TheSolarTruthThanks for the response. I have solar panels and 8 k Solark with 3 5kw batteries. I'm not installing the panels until September but want to know if I can program the Inverter to work with the batteries only as a back up until I get the panels in. Right now I've been able to charge them ok but haven't figured out how to run on battery power when I kill the main power simulating a power loss
@@dubhaltaghohearcain2431 You prob have the panels by now, but for other folks, yes you can. This might be a logical step for someone that has a generator and doesn't want it running full blast for the duration of a power outage. By using a SolArk, Batteries, and a Generator, you could have the generator run only to change the batteries and then shut off.
37.5A AC each during grid down
Hi need to do new case study with the new tesla price
That's a great idea 👍
@@TheSolarTruth Let me know if you want to use my info
@@ruforeyes1062 yes, please email me at thesolartruther@gmail.com! thanks!
66 amps of backup power
Yes sistema! 🌞 ⚡ 🔌 💡 🔋
Just watched your video on "Hawaii banned solar!". Garbage. I hope I'm not expected to believe this video as well. 2x Sol-Ark to run a microwave and induction stove and what else for $17,000 for just the hybrid inverter? That does not prove anything in my mind. Be truthful and push the very expensive system off grid all the way to the published limit. But you may not get that far with nuisance trips is what other on YT are saying.
Did you watch that video though?... Hawaii did 'ban' solar in 2015. For 2 years they did not let anyone do solar. Then they allowed it, but with no Net Energy Metering, and you need batteries. Just what happened... That 2x Sol-Ark system powers that guys whole house... He also got some pretty substantial tax credits and SGIP rebates, but that video was mainly just an operation demonstration video.