Will Protein Knock Me Out of Ketosis?
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- A ketogenic diet focuses on keeping carbs very low and increasing fat intake. But what about protein? We take a look at how protein affects a ketogenic diet and ketosis.
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Another anecdotal account... 58 yo F with lifetime of obesity. At 50 I was 305, lost 140 lbs on WW and gained 120 back. At 55 I tried again with LCHF and quickly lost 85 but then was in a 2+ year stall with about 50 to go. I will be eating this way for life due to cravings control, satiety, energy, and other health benefits. But it was super frustrating to stop losing. I tried many things from IF, reverse diet to raise calories (helped me with about 8 lb loss 2yrs into stall), higher protein, and strength training. But in the past month, consistant tracking to keep my fat higher has finally worked!! I am almost back to the low from my last attempt and very close to the 100 lb mark. Hope this helps someone else!
Katherine, please help me. I struggle to find enough food sources that contain fat. Could you jot down a list of the fat foods you are consuming please? :)
I’ve been in a stall like you described for two years. What did you again? To get it going?
@@colinglen4505 My current macros are 140g fat and 105g protein that gives me about 1750 cal. I am going to add about 50 cal of fat per week as long as I lose 1 lb per week. My high fat sources today - 4T HWC, 1/2 scoop mct powder, avocado mash, pork belly, italian sausage, swiss cheese, fatty chocolate (made with lily's bar melted with coconut oil, stored in freezer), sour cream. Other things to add - butter and coconut butter and oil. I pretrack on Chronometer the day before and play around with amounts til I get close. I have been looking for protein sources with higher fat grams than protein - its hard even bacon is about equal so I find you have to add fat like butter, sour cream, avocado mayo. Luckily I don't react badly to dairy.
@@elizabethburns2700 I feel your pain! I tried so many things, always low carb/keto. Each of those took a few months so there I was 2+ years later in the same 5 lb range. What helped me first was a reverse diet last fall with consistent tracking in which I slowly raised my calories 50/week from 1400ish to 2200. I lost about 10 lbs raising my calories! Then my plan was to do a slow calorie cut and eat "higher protein so the body can burn the on board body fat". That did not work at all. I stayed the same for another 8 months trying that. 6 weeks ago I started hearing conflicting ideas that suggested the higher fat macros in keto allow the body to burn the body fat better. I went to 75% calories from fat and I have lost 10 lbs. I feel really good, satiated, and very little struggle avoiding unplanned eating. Macros right now are 1750 cal - 140g fat, 105g protein, 20g carb (usually I'm closer to 40 though). I am going to add 50 calories of fat per week to get to 2000 cal per day, as long as I keep losing. I'm not sure uf 105g protein is right but it is working so I'll stick with it for now.
I thought I was crazy. Increasing my fat against my RD’s recommendation has helped with not being so hungry and losing weight. Fat has more calories so I adjust in other areas. It is still slow but working.
You should check the ingredients in the dry rub as most have hidden sugars and binders.
I was thinking that too. Like Maltodextrin.
We spoke directly to the chef...lime juice and chili powder
@@2FitDocs I make my own as most commercial dried spices have flow agents and most people don't check for them in powdered spices. Paprika and chili powder and onion powder all raise my glucose level, so I use them very sparingly. I cook Hungarian and Italian and Armenian, so I love my spices but I have to us them sparingly and have at least 16 hours intermittent fasting or my morning gloucuse is high. If I check my blood sugar as soon as I get up(about 6-6:30) it is between 80 and 90, an hour later it is 113 without eating or drinking. If I have spices like the ones I mentioned, and not fast long enough it shoots up to about 130. By the time I eat it has dropped back down to under 95. So when I use these spices I usually eat my main meal by 2:30 or 3pm.
@@2FitDocs That's because you are "Two Smart Docs"! I should have known better. Of course you would ask!
ABSOLUTELY THE TRUTH. I have a personal threshold for protein and when I go above my ketones go waaaaaay down. Every single time. More videos on this
@ Lou Ferguson So what is your threshold for protein? I am just now trying to decide how much I do well with, and how much fat. At the moment on a long stall.
Dorset Boronia I cant go over 30 grams at one sitting. And even with 25 to 30 I have to get my grams of fat much higher to keep my ketones up there. Lean protein drives up insulin too. Need way more fat to counter that one.
Lou Ferguson. So that must mean not much more than 50 - 60 grams of protein/ day. That is very little meat. Only about 5 Oz. In what form do you have the extra fat to keep your calories up. I am in a difficult position there, since rendered fat and olive oil etc gives me “gut issues” of the D variety. Oh dear, what to do?
There is a lot of research out there about how important protein is, especially as we get older. Don't short your protein intake.
I saw something interesting not long ago (can't recall the source, unfortunately) that said protein is converted to glucose (gluconeogenesis) as needed. In contrast, carbohydrates are used as available.
As always, results vary by individual, but definitely play around with it to figure out what works and what doesn't. Protein shouldn't be skimped on out of fear of gluconeogenesis. My 2 copper, ymmv.
AZWings Dr Ben Bikman says “prioritise protein”. And gluconeogenesis makes glucose from protein on a “needs basis” not a “supply basis”. However, I stall with a lot of protein. So what to do? I am puzzled. Not losing weight. Tried carnivore, still not loosing. Not in ketosis with even moderate protein. Have got about halfway there on keto.
Enjoy your lovely assistants anecotally stories. Lol.
This was great docs because it shows we are all different. Everyone wants to fit into a box and be told, "Do it like this or like that." People dont do their own detective work and figure out what works for their body.
Keep up the great content doc.
Always great information thank you so much.
Very helpful, thanks docs! 🤍🤍
Great video. We want to know about your numbers in the morning and everything you were doing to keep it low. Some of us are still in the experimental phase where we’ve got to try a lot of different things in your ideas are so helpful!!!
Such great info guys! Thank u so much!
You guys are awesome. That example that you gave - helped explain a lot. It was a simple way of explaining a key message! If your goal is weight loss with keto - then you need to watch your macros! Not just your carbs, but also your protein intake
Perhaps it would be wise to wear a continuous blood glucose monitor.
I have lost 90 pounds and kept it off.
Avoid eggs or chicken that are from high omega 6 inflammatory oils or fed soy or low quality grains.
I eat 4 to 5 eggs for --> breakfast every morning cooked sunnyside up, runny yolks. I cook them in UNrefined coconut oil. Put in bowl with Himalayan salt.
May add grass fed butter. Bone broth is excellent substitute for coffee.
Supplements like tyrosine and taurine.
Tryptophan in the evening.
Quality matters a lot.
Avoid most chicken fed soy or low quality grains. Restaurants use low quality cooking oils.
Avoid restaurants.
Most chicken and turkey are fed low quality grains or soy high is unhealthy omega 6 inflammatory oils. Restaurant salmon is almost always low quality farm raised grain fed toxic salmon.
High quality protein is excellent. It is a myth that protein is unhealthy.
People need more protein as they age to prevent sarcopenia.
Men especially need protein for muscles, brains, and sex hormones.
Humans are more like an animal than a plant.
The thymus gland diminishes as we age setting seniors up for susceptibility to diseases. Take supplements like raw thymus gland extract to improve T cells for fighting viruses and cancer. Bone marrow is the source of white blood cells. Consume bone broth and bovine bone marrow. Vitamin D plus mk7 and magnesium and potassium and vitamins A and zinc also increase bone health which is the source of white blood cells and natural killer cells for fighting viruses and cancer.
Exercise is wonderful
Positivity and music and meditation and long sustained walking and weight lifting and pushups are all great especially for men eating a carnivore diet. The world carnivore tribe group on Facebook has more information.
Dr Ken Berry MD and Dr Paul Saladino MD and Dr Shawn Baker MD all will admit that eating meat may increase you insulin for a period of time but that absolutely does NOT mean that you cannot feel great, gain muscles, and lose weight.
Losing weight is only ONE factor. A man wants to have muscle and look and feel great too!!!
I do like to take a teaspoon of coconut oil in the morning which is not carnivore and I ALWAYS cook my eggs in unrefined cold pressed coconut oil
The graph from the study was very informative. It makes sense that protein elevated insulin for an extended time, even if only because it takes longer to digest, but having that data to back it up is important. Thanks you two, for another informative video!
So helpful. Thanks x.
The more I learn and the further I get into my keto/weight loss/control my type 2 Diabetes journey, the more I realize that we are all different. What works for one does not work for all and what works for the first 6 ,9,12 months may not work forever. As we change our metabolism we have to make adjustments - at least I have. At 2 years in I have lost 70 lbs but 50+ were during the first 7 months. Right now I have to fast at least 2 days a week- losing slowly but losing again - I am OMAD except for very special occasions so that means a 40+ hr fast 2-3 times a week. I use my blood sugar levels as my guide as my level of ketosis is usually low. I too have found that excess proteins cause my blood sugar to spike. The great thing is so many- like yourselves - continuing to feed us the new studies and information so we can, with knowledge - continue to be healthy! Thank you.
Nice talk, Ben Birman, has an study about this topic and his results were a little bit different, according your general Health
I love that your dog joined the conversation.
I recently noticed the same thing. Since I've started paying more attention to my protein and increasing my fats, I've started moving the scale and my ketones in the right direction.
What foods did you consume to increase your fats?
So glad to see this video. Been following a keto diet for 11 months now, lost 45, 45 to go, been stalled for 2 months. I have been very faithful to keeping carbs below 30 a day, sometimes much less. But I eat a lot of protein, sugar free jerky, eggs, etc. Gotta slow down the protein. My resting glucose is usually 101 in the morning. Gotta get a blood keytone meter!
My body acts in a similar fashion to Keith's. When I manage my protein intake in grams to about 1.25 X my body weight in KG, I have better weight loss results, my blood ketones remain elevated and my fasting blood glucose levels are lower.
I love seeing your dog in your videos 🐶
Great video Dr Keith & Dr Becky - I'm at that plateau too Dr Keith with similar setbacks (50yo M, 3 yrs Keto/IF, carbs < 30g, 2 yr plateau). Trying some new protocols.
- 2MAD before 3pm so activity burns through the digested food more readily
- Only better quality meats to get the nutrients in
- Water fasting one day a week (Mondays) to get at least 36-40 hours of a solid fast weekly >> this has promise though early days. Healthy fat meal Sunday helps satiety big time.
Thank you
Protein doesn't seem to effect me at all, but some of my subs say protein spikes their blood sugar. People need plenty of protein either way, it's a must.
I think especially old people, like me.
Keith B I’ll take a slight rise in insulin over a deficit in protein any day. I’m old. I need my muscle tissue.
The question is, what is plenty of protein. Its a subjective term. After my surgery, I was told to eat "a lot" of protein. Never defined. I have metobolic problems, like Keith,;and im still a type 2 diabetic. If i eat a lot or protein, 50-75% of my meal, my sugar remains over 105 5 hours after eating. My problem is figuring out how to increase my healthy fat. Its been a tear since surgery and I just don't need as much protein, I just haven't figured out how to change my macros. While protein is necessary, its important to describe concrete terms of how much by not using superlatives like a lot, or enough. In terms of weight, age, health, how much protein is needed.
Your lovely assistant makes a lot of sense.
Thanks. I find your experience so interesting. I am always wondering how much protein should I be eating.
Thank you so much for this information. I've been doing 3 slices of bacon with 2 large eggs, as well as a handful or 2 of kale a lunch (skipping breakfast). Dinner is cooked veg (no root veggies at all due to dealing with Type 2 Diabetes) and a palm sized portion of protein. I've been stuck at 144 lbs for a year, while my blood glucose has been 6.6-6.8 (Canadian measurements) without ever using meds. I will check out how the eggs/bacon (too much protein) might be affecting my non-weight loss. Again, my thanks!
I thought you needed more protein when you get older to keep from having muscle loss?
You should maintain adequate protein so as to not lose muscle mass. When eating keto you should not be high protein, just moderate (adequate).
I agree the protein may have helped to spike your glucose level the next morning however I'll venture to say that the spice rub they used on the wings had quite a bit to do with it as well I found that many of the spice rubs use lots of garlic powder onion powder and sometimes mixed in sugars
That is so interesting. How does this speak to those on the carnivore diet? Does it raise glucose/ketone levels as well? I always learn a little something from y'all; thank you!
OHHHHH!!!! very interesting. I have the same type of results. It has been difficult. I'm gaining wt on Keto. Im eating hardly any carbs, increased the protein so I am "satiated" but then my sugar is high in the morning and ketones are in the tank. OK, I think I have my new marching orders. Less protein, more fat (i'll try to keep it as unsaturated as possible to strive for satiety). I'll see how that will affect my morning numbers. Thanks for sharing your numbers Dr. Keith.
Thank you for this i have been doing carnivore or zero carbs and having similiar issues and not losing weight maybe since i seem to be more like Keith i need to rethink my eating
Most (all!) restaurants use veggie oils to fry foods...high omega 6 in the oil and even the chicken! If you must eat chicken wings, grill or fry in lard (in any saturated fat) and try it again. Was doing Keto correctly I thought, but it made a noticeable difference cutting veggie oils (watching the omega 6).
FYI: BUffalo Wild Wings fries in beef tallow.
Great video Dr Becky, Dr Keith. (My apologies to Maddie, last week in my comnent....I wrongly added 1 year to her age..sorry Maddie 💕)
Interesting video. Thomas DeLauer just did one on Protein and Gluconeogenesis with the opposite conclusion . His ketones went up with more protein.
Good chat - I think you've made some great points. I'd be interested to see further discussion on this, but related to how two other factors might affect the numbers as well.
1)Exercise. Specifically a sweaty-Betty, high-heartrate zone 4-5 workout, not just a brisk walk around the lake. Where your body needs energy to maintain... not only how does this affect the numbers, but also how we should predict/prep for that workout (maybe a whole vid on it's own... but in the idea of how an athlete would "carbo load" prior to a big event).
2) Body type - is there any research showing how the data might differ for someone who is trying to lose weight compared to someone who has lost the weight? Not everyone doing a keto/low-carb/carnivore type diets (or lifestyle :) ) is doing it for weight loss. Do the macros (or should they) change for those people??
Thanks - appreciate your work!
This was so interesting. My weight loss stalls when I go over my protein limits, currently 94 g, and I have been wondering about that, because my other numbers have been under or on target, but I am at a weight loss stall. Like Keith, I have metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance. I have been wondering if that was a culprit. I will try to be very careful to stay slightly under and see if I lose.
I've been on keto for more than a year and lost about 100 pounds but couldn't lose the last 10 pounds, I heard somewhere the more fat you eat the more fat you burn. at first, I thought it's absurd but I gave it a shot. so I started eating butter, like 100 grams at once and it really worked. when I increased my fat intake my protein intake reduced unavoidably and I started losing weight again. I eat almost 200 grams of butter per day and also 200 grams of cream
Q: How do you know what your daily 'maintenance level' is for protein?... (Never mind. I see you posted a link in the description - Thanks! ♥ You're on it! :)
As I have said before I really enjoy your videos and Tests his system is so much like mine Maybe I’m not quite as bad but very close
Good explanation, one of my downfalls
Thank you Docs for this. I am a bit confused about how this stacks up against weight loss in a carnivore diet with high fat, presumably high protein and no carbs?
What are you doing differently to be able to increase your ketones from 0.1 & 0.3 range to 0.6? I am having the same issue & would love to know what i can do to help myself. Thanks for all you both do🙏
I get what you are saying but is there something else at play? What about Ted Naiman’s P:E diet? Also, perhaps the type of fat makes a difference?
Is high/higher ketones in the blood always indicative of stored fat being “burned?”
Too much fat will increase your blood sugar...but it will be delayed a day. Dr. Ted Naiman has pointed this out from his clinical setting dealing with diabetics. I notice when I have higher fat, my blood sugar is higher the next morning but ketones are also higher. When I have higher protein, my blood sugar is lower but ketones are also lower. Please interview Dr. Ted.
Yup...have drastically reduced my protein after waking up twice during the night (likely gluconeogenesis) and high blood readings in the morning. I'm out of ketone strips, but pretty sure I've not been in ketosis🙄...what a journey! 🤔
I suspect that the dry rub on the wings or salmon contain sugar as most recipes so. I’ve seen more than one study that shows gluconeogenesis happens when the body needs glucose (as the brain and eyes and red blood cells require it)and not due to high protein intake. I do agree that protein causes an insulin response.
In a video a couple of years back Keith said that typically he eats 40 to 59 grams of protein a day which seems quite low. Is that because at that stage you were trying to lose weight? But in this video Keith mentioned that he eats 60 to 80 grams of protein a day. If my husband's goal weight is 59kg (he's working on losing weight now) do you think that his protein intake should be 59 grams of protein per day now? We are following a rigorous ketogenic way of eating with 20 carbs of less and good amount of fats. I love your videos. They are just the right length to hold my concentration. You guys are amazing.
Very thought provoking! I assume that the wings were consumed at your evening meal. Makes me wonder if the rise in blood sugar was caused by the meal’s effect on cortisol instead of the over consumption of meat. Does eating a large, meat heavy meal in the evening disturb our sleep and cause cortisol to rise? This would spike our morning blood sugar. I wonder if the extra meat would have the same effect if consumed at lunchtime. It would be an interesting experiment, I think.
That is a good question. I would love to see these two do one of their experiments to find out!
This is frustrating news. I have been told that seniors need more protein. I do CrossFit and I keep hearing that keto is great but you need macros more like 65 fat 25 protein and 10 carb. I always keep carbs under 50g but have a hard time going under 25g. I need to test this throughout the day and see if protein is kicking me out of ketosis
🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ started experimenting with the carnivore diet. What are your thoughts on this? Dr. Ken Berry talks about it a lot on his channel. BTW Dr. Keith’s mug rocks 😅😅
What do you guys think about protein does not trigger GNG wave going on ? Few argue GNG is a demand driven process and not a supply driven process. They basically they argue that 1g/kg lean body mass recommendation is actually undervalue..
What is the best time of day to measure ketones and blood sugar? I will often fast until dinner, and not measure until mid to late afternoon.
So I've been curious as to how the carnivore way of eating has been so successful with all that protein. Wouldn't that cause gloconeogenesis?
You don't need to be in ketosis for weight loss. You can also lose with a calorie deficit.
Gluconeogenisis is demand driven. It will only make glucose if your body needs some.
@@shoeboxhomestead1770 Thank you for your reply.
@@ABeautyAddict Thank you for your reply. I understand that, too but my goal is to stay in ketosis for all the other benefits. I have never tried carnivore but people say they feel amazing.
😂you can lose with a calorie deficit
Just wondered if there is an app that Keith, or Becky uses to count his macro/fats/protein/carbs.
So is the amount of protien that Carb Manager assigns to people according to their age weight and activity level a good number to shoot for? Or should you go by what your ketone level says in the morning? I tested mine this morning, and it was 1.5 so does that mean I didn't have too many proteins yesterday?
"I hate, mostly people." Wgt. loss or wgt. generally speaking is / has not and never has been my problem. That doesn't mean I too shouldn't be concerned with the effects of protein etc. A video worth watching again. My question to Mr. K; what took you so long to notice? You are known to measure everything. I have yet to get with that program (don't wish to turn this lifestyle / diet into a chore). I often see and feel results (wgt. loss, sleep issues, energy issues etc.).
I'm tracking to loose 10 Kg (22 pounds) this month and my protein is almost always 30%, it's canny that regardless of total calories my protein is always around 30%. My fasting ketones are usually around 1 and my glucose is around 5 (100), which is great because I like running so it's good to burn both glucose and ketones for energy
How does that work with gluconeogenisis being demand driven rather than supply driven?
We got to hear about the extra protein, but that meal sounded pretty low in fat as well. Could it really have been just the extra protein or was it the extra protein in combination with low fat?
Can I suggest another topic related to this?
There are only three macronutrients. Carbs, Protien, and Fat. All us Keto'ers know we need to limit carbs.
Some Keto "gurus" say that we have to limit proteing to moderate levels as you said - as you said in this videa. But some Keto "gurus" say that you have to limit fat because your body won't burn the fat on our bodies if there is plenty of fat in our food.
This conflicting advise complicates things, because that would not leave a whole lot left to eat.
My personal opinion on the fat is I shouldn't limit it or be afraid to eat it. But I shouldn't try to eat more than comes naturally in real food. For example, I suspect there is no point to bullet proof coffees and fat bombs if the goal is just to cram in more fat.
Regarding protein, I agree it should be moderate but not low. I feel like my body attempts to keep me on track with protein. I don't feel great if I eat too much in a sitting or in a day. For that matter I don't feel great if I eat too much fat. Ideally we get to a point where we can trust our instincts.
We feel that once you're keto-adapted, you can probably lower your fat intake somewhat.
I can’t figure out how many grams of protein a day would work for me? Has to be based on size gender and age right?
This is a bit strange when so many people are making video's and have lost a lot of weight on the Carnivore Diet. I have been eating More Meat and lost some Belly Fat ? What do you 2 think of the Carnivore Diet xxx
I have been on keto and because I'm not that big of a person and want to lose about 11 lbs. more, my macros are a little off. My carbs are under 20 net, but I really have to work to get in about 60-70 gms of protein, and whatever left is fat, mostly avocado, EVOO, and goat cheese. Now, I don't have a blood ketone meter (yet) but I test with the urine sticks at least 4-5 times a day. I am almost ALWAYS up at about 16 on the urine sticks unless I have a glass of wine (which I usually do 1x daily) and then it drops to maybe 8. Almost nothing pulls me off of these levels - except maybe sleep. I measure a little lower but for only about an hour after sleep. Can one of you comment on this because I find it odd. BTW, I do not have diabetes or pre-diabetes. Thanks.
If this is the case how do you manage to get enough proteins to build muscle? I'm not talking about competition body building, just a nice proportioned body. I guess I should add I was diagnosed as type two 3 years ago and have lost 85 lbs. through Keto and Intermitted fasting but now I am finding it difficult to regain good balanced muscle mass. Male, 55yrs,
what modification has Keith made to be in Ketosis in the morning?
He eats less protein.
I am currently following LCHP as 20% carb (generally average
How do we increase fat intake without increasing protein?
Thanks 🙂
That is a good question. I was wondering the same thing bc from what I understand, a fair amount of things with fat also contain some kind of protein. So I would like to know as well.
.36 - .7g/lbs body weight is a good guide for how much protein for a whole day? eg I'm 71kg/156lbs so my daily range of protein intake is between 56 and 109 grams (sorry, I think metric as I live in Australia). Does that sound about right? Seems low to me. ps I'm 64 and of reasonable fitness.
Hey guys hope you’re doing well question about your video today, I saw somewhere that has you get older you need a little more protein is that not the case and I’m curious to know how much protein do you recommend for somebody at 200 pounds, And one last thing 123 blood sugar in the morning it seems really high are you diabetic
Ok but that dry rub could have had sugar or excess carbs too.
Does Keith's lower protein regimen improve his sleep pattern? I have high blood glucose in the morning but also awaken a couple times during the night. Maybe I eat too much protein and carbs for dinner. 🤔
I too am confused as to what exactly to eat for dinner. The interesting point is that two hours after dinner my BG would be in the 80s-90s but fasting BG is always on the higher side! Gluconeogenesis?
Need advise on collagen protein powder. My husband and I are both on the IF and keto diet 7 weeks now and finally have gotten through the feeling bad days. We are doing 70 fat /25 protein/5% carbs. My question is does taking collagen protein effect your protein intake like meats and eggs will? The nutritional label shows 22 grams as protein but that the protein is all through amino acids. Still navigating our way through all the ins and outs of the IF and keto lifestyle. Appreciate your input 😃
Amount Per Serving % DV*
Calories 70
Protein 18g 0%*1
Sodium 65mg 3%
Hydrolyzed Collagen 20g **
We feel that collagen protein is fine as a supplement if needed.
2 Fit Docs thank you. I really enjoy watching you two together and appreciate your sharing your personal experiences with us.
Being in our 50’s has definitely showed us how losing weight and getting internally healthy is a lot different than when we were in our 30’s 🥴
Cut the veges and the seasoning/lime on the wings almost guarantee had sugar of some kind ..
Seems like there's nothing we can eat without negatively affecting the rate of weight loss. I struggle to find enough food that is high in fat. I gave up on Avocados because they seem hard one day and over ripe the next. I was wasting so much money by throwing them away. So it seems like i'm relying on fat that is attached to protein, e.g meat and nuts etc. It's all very confusing really.
I don't know if this helps but what I do with avocados is buy them when they are hard and also have frozen ones on hand, then I check them daily and put them in the fridge when the first one is ready.
Funny ... I'm 68yrs old and eating 30% protein usually spikes my ketones offer puts my GKI Below 2
Sixty to eighty grams of protein a day is not very much. I think it puts you in danger of getting sarcopenia. At our age it's important to maintain our strength which will keep us young.
Yeah Im not sure about this... You doubled your protein intake from what your body is used to. That will definitely put your body into WTF mode. Can't wait for your further research!!
Agreed!
Question: If I’m obese and I reduce the caloric intake by reducing carbs, why won’t my body just burn the extra fat I have to meet my caloric needs until all the fat is used off my body however long that takes? Then definitely would need higher fat because no excess left. If I’m eating high fat then body doesn’t need to burn my body fat.?
Elizabeth Burns In my opinion (and experience) you need a balance amount of carbs fat and protein. I actually had to work to increase the fat in my diet but it helps with not being hungry and seems to help my metabolism. I am close to maintenance and do 40-45% carbs, 25% protein and 25-30% fat. Best thing I did was work with a dietician. Knowledge is power.
The key word with your lower ketones and higher blood sugar after your wings and salmon is “Restaurant”. Do not trust almost every restaurant. Hidden sugars in Salmon from cooking or flavoring added and the dry rub are likely your issue. I have gone from Keto to Carnivore.... Now eating equal parts proteins and fat and have dropped weight dramatically in past 3-4 months after losing most of the weight (200 pounds) on keto. I believe hidden sugar is normally the issue with stalls or any other keto issue. The increase in my protein has super amped my energy, focus and overall feeling.
Ps. We always eat at home and when at restaurant always expect a bad reading the following am unless we just order dry salad
Your pooch is cute and very curious about keto! 🤣
There has to be more to this. People are experiencing tremendous weight loss on a carnivore diet.
I agree/ has to be more to this
I wonder the same thing.
Switching to any diet that limits carbs will do that, at first. Atkins was the same way. But in the end, too much protein was causing heart attacks in women especially over 40.
So what’s a good ratio for fat? I stopped losing weight and I had my fat in the high 70% and somebody said I needed to lower my fat and up my protein so my fat is in the 60% range and The proteins can be 28 to 35% but my protein grams are higher than my fat grams now. what should I be shooting for?
Honestly you're just gonna have to play with it. I calculated my macros on ketogains.com. I personally do and feel better on higher fat. I still lose that way too
JesCca just to give me reference how high of fat percentage do you do daily on average?
I do 65-78%
I wish I was under 100 in the morning. I’m usually closer to 150 in the morning. Even with 0 carbs.
I eat 26 grams of carbs per day and wings daily. I've been in ketosis consistently for 8 weeks and have lost 25lbs. I think protein is pooped out when not used. Gluconeogenic is not a protein driven thing for me.
How is your cholesterol level? I tried a Keto diet for a few weeks and my cholesterol skyrocketed, so I worry about trying it again.
Mine went up too. My doc has ordered a CAC test. www.webmd.com/heart-disease/coronary-calcium-scan#1, which gives a better idea than cholesterol levels. I'm hoping for a good number so that I can get off statins.
Tammy N Check your triglyceride ldl ratio. That will give you a truer heart health picture. Your brain needs the ldl. There are studies that tie low cholesterol to Alzheimer’s and dementia.
So first off I love you guys.
Secondly I'm very disappointed in the scientist in you. What happened to N=1? What you did that one time really doesn't count as an experiment. I have been keto since Jan 2019. I recently did a carnivore challenge with a group for 10 days. My results are incredible and fascinating! I did monitor my ketones and bs. I had pcos at one time too so I'm IR. I kept my protein between 80-115g/day. I kept my fat 115g-140g/day. I average 1500 calories and ate OMAD. For reference I'm 37yo, 5'5", and started at 152lbs. The fat is so important! Fats should be high on carnivore. My ketones literally sky rocketed. My highest being 3.9 with a bs of 62. On keto my ketones and bs are never that good! I had more energy, stayed full longer. I lost 4in and 7lbs. What you eat also matters. I ate a bunch of cheese one day and my ketones did drop. I also believe fat is key. Iwas also able to complete my first 48 hour fast, I wasn't hungry. I made carnivore tacos, pizza, and burgers. I did not feel deprived but missed my keto deserts.
If you do it correctly I really think it could work for you. Try it and challenge yourself. Do it 2 weeks and see what happens.
I tried carnivore for 2 weeks and was absolutely miserable. No great results to show for it either. I just don't think it's for everyone.
Well crap. I have definitely had protein creep in the past year.
I'm fasting. No more wings please
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! One ounce = 28 grams. 60 grams = 2 ounces .... what's that one or two small cut off fork size pieces of a steak? How does one prepping and store etc BITES of food? BEEF JERKY 2 SMALL BITES / BAG?
Mmmm 🧐 what new protocol? Potential new video, to explain?
Good Morning. Keto here for many years and a subscriber. Sci-fit.net posted a review entitled How Carbs and Protein Affect Ketosis (Keto Research Review). It can be found here: sci-fit.net/carbs-protein-ketosis-research/ , The authors conclude that protein doesn't seem to affect ketosis (within the limitations of the reviewed studies). As another commenter mentioned Dr. Benjamin Binkman suggests a reason why this would be so. I would be interested in your comments. Thanks.
There are these yummy salt and vinegar wings that my local grocery store makes and I thought they were low carb but I think they add baking powder to crisp them up. 😬