i was rooting for dkal seen a good few streams from his runs and he was genuinely gutted to lose his games. gotta be insomnia for the win now. although i think dkal isnt completely out. i do hope he reaches 999 even if hes not going to be first.
200 hours to complete this leaves so much room for error since this isnt a solo game anymore, thier servers could crash and end everyones game. or if your internet goes out ON A SOLO game your fucked.
It's cheesing, not cheating. It's 100% legit and something ANYBODY can do as far as the current patch. Keeping in mind that saving and quitting prevents you from doing it again until the next round, meaning it is a 1 time use per round.
@@chuck_thebeardit really is, especially if you’ve played zombies for a few games life cycles or even just Cold War a good amount. There’s a big difference between difficult and tedious, this game is the latter
Restarting the round is apart of the game by intention so it has to be allowed. Treyarch should remove saving and quitting when downed if it shouldnt be allowed.
you cant save and quit while downed, you have to be at full health. he died, self revived and then quit out because he knew it was bugged and would reset his augment.
@@danielmorris5470it just ruins the spirit of zombies completely and should not be allowed feature in the game or not. It’s not that black and white. I don’t necessarily think he should be penalised however as it’s all new and the rules are shaky at best, me personally save quitting after being downed to reset the round mid round is as unsportsmanlike as anything can get I’d never do it personally. Who knows what he was thinking in that moment tho likely he just thought that people are saving quitting for many reasons and thought it was no big deal.
@@afeyprod i think they should definitely try and fix the boss spam, make it difficult, but not annoyingly difficult, feels like IX and DOTN all over again with the spam
This same thing happens on Bloons tower defense where the player can quit right before they die and restart the wave. Granted that’s a tower defense game but nobody cares in that game. It’s more of treyarch’s development fault than making us the cheaters for using it.
@@illusion_0805 save and quit is the only feature that allows for BO6 to have immensly high rounds. In BO3, the game would end due to RAM building up.
@Ryan-ni7mo that not true at all. Every game have a normal speedrun and a any means necessary one (one vanilla and one with glitch) you just don't know what you are talking about
Save/quit is fine, it's literally the only way anyone will ever reach round 999 in this game. Abusing that feature purely to avoid a down though, that's exploiting the games systems, and unfair to other competitors who are treating the competition seriously and playing legitimately.
@@Arcadia95he would’ve saved and quit eventually in a vermin round and have gotten that quick revive charge back since it was prepatch it literally just saved him a couple of minutes for having to rebuy all perks but he loses time redoing the round so it cancels out
@@kmochi- It very much is an exploit in regards to the race for 999. Abusing a feature of the game for an advantage you would otherwise not have is an exploit, especially during a competition. This is a new feature that Treyarch have implemented, so of course there will be flaws to be found with it, same as the boats on Terminus or the Dying Wish/Equivalent Exchange augment exploits.
Using a VALID save and quit is NOT cheating. Losing your zombie kills and round progression is a perfectly valid punishment for getting your perks back. It's a once per round do-over that EVERYONE has access to. Cheating deliberately using glitches or tools to give oneself an unfair advantage that nobody else can replicate. Extreme high-rounding on previous titles could be done solo over the course of multiple days because of the ability to pause for food, water, and sleep. Given that, if the people want to cry about save quitting all together, please keep in mind that a round 999 run would LITERALLY KILL YOU if you were to do it in one session due to sleep deprivation(200 hours is right at the upper limit of how long it will take a normal human brain before it just crashes, resulting in near immediate brain death). So, if you want to save your perks because you screwed up a round and just don't feel like going to the wonderfizz with your 2.5 billion extra points from previous rounds, then you can use the save quit because EVERYONE CAN DO IT AND IT DOESN'T DISCREDIT ANY PART OF THE ACHIEVEMENT. It's correcting a single mistake in a round where you've alread completely fried your brain. It would be one thing if save quitting were a payed for feature or if it were an activision employee using a feature only they have access to. I swear, ya'll pick the stupidest hills to die on in the COD community.
save quitting shouldnt be an option after a self revive, its basically a glitch... you cant say he wouldve survived for certain, i think its fair to say its not in the spirit of the game
You make a valid point but man it just feels weird to save quit mid round and restart a round like that, feels like using the save quit this way fucks with the spirit and core of zombies, like you said everyone can do it and you do lose progression. I feel as though at the start of every round you should have a 20 window to save quit and it can’t be done mid round maybe treyarch will implement that idk. You’re right tho his run shouldn’t be invalidated.
@@rumdoreexactly I feel like save quitting mid round fucks with the core and spirit of zombies, I don’t however feel like his run should be invalidated
No one is saying you shouldnt use the save and quit feature. People are saying you shouldnt use it when you're about to die in a high rounding competition
what’s really sad is how the guy is getting treated, it’s a game at the end of the day. even if people don’t consider it legit. although it is another syndicate 115 just in current time.
A world record is a world record. game or not doesn't matter if they cheat they should get backlash for those who plays legit and not abusing a system. Just like real life what if I make the world's biggest pizza and say it's made of dough but it's intact made out of plastic with real cheese pizza sauce on that plastic to get the world record. Guess what? The world record will be voided because it wasn't done legit
@@jessiestarr4600 i get your point but going out to harass the guy and ddos his internet is a bit far like cmon, what has he actually done? tell me this since you have the absolute gaul to sit there and cry meanwhile 10yr ago no doubt you dashboarded to keep your perka. i haven’t seen mention matey is submitting his run, he’s just going through with it. don’t act like you’re an angel when you’ve obviously cheated a system in one way or another to benefit yourself.
Except Khf's pizza isn't made of plastic. It was never fake or cheated to begin with. He had a hiccup and Treyarch allows players to Save & Exit and remake part of the pizza because that is how they design the game. Treyarch is the absolute authority when it comes to what is officially cheating or not. Godmode, glitches, pile up, Treyarch has made it very clear those are not allow. Save & Exit? It's allowed.
It's not a Syndicate situation because Syndicate used a mod tool. Treyarch allows players to use an in-game feature they made. Khf used it as Treyarch intended.
@cybzer0560 okay this is what I meant; syndicate started from the round he died? I can't really remember the ins and outs. but either way, matey did the same. Just not using /setround69 yk? Just more in today's technology. that's what I meant.
Tons of ppl? That’s who cares. I don’t, but I know someone who’s never accomplished things irl might look to video games for that sense of accomplishment and this could be that very thing that finally makes them feel good about themself.
08:50 That happened to me. I was Playing on terminus for the Easter Egg then I was kicked despite running around in a big circle Training a Zombie... They need to fix that the "Kicked for Inactivity" Glitch
It's so stupid because people wouldn't have to spam killstreaks if there weren't that many manglers, abomination and the other one on terminus it just makes round 30+ unfun
Yeah I’ve only made it to 41 because it took so long from 31 to 41 and it just becomes tedious and slow with one strat that works best. It’s boring and gives no reason to continue so might as well skip the exfil with chopper or mangler injection because I’m not sure a round 41 exfil is actually possible without a scorestreak
Well heads up im assuming this was a part of one of the secret patches but if you let your pause timer run out it no longer ends your game it leaves the pause menu up and unpauses your game
No, in my experience. You don't get the newest version until you restart your game. I had done the valve glitch a couple days after patch even after leaving match.
I don’t think I’ve seen a more un-fun high round competition in zombies until BO6 came out This game needs some seriously tweaking cause trying to kill all those manglers and sit through those exhaustingly long parasite rounds is genuinely painful
@InciteSarcasm It literally is though. In kino you need the skill to train for hours and hours with the MPL to get the points to even use the trap strat. Modern cod u literally do not have to leave the corner. The zombies HP caps so guns and wonder weapons always 1 shot, ammo is never a problem, score streaks are op, idek what the armored suit in bo6 is, but that looks absurd. I could hit round 50 in cold war without looking at my monitor, I would have to really try and pay attention to do it on kino
@@ImEmmalol Not that hard especially compared to other rd 100s in bo1, even in the older games you had nacht and shi no numa which are some of the easiest ever, die rise very easy, everything relating to bo3 and 4 is piss easy.
@InciteSarcasm A brand new player that's never touched zombies before could not achieve a round 50 in other zombie games without putting in time, learning, and trying really hard. I could set my mom down on my pc who's only gaming experience is candy crush and she could get round 50 in cold war within a couple attempts. You are delusional to compare them. The only reason old waw is easy to progress rounds is bc there is 24 zombies a round so the round scaling is messed up. Bo3 is interesting. Most of the giga op gums aren't allowed in wr runs, you can choose to play without megas for a more traditional experience, and there's categories for it, the AATs make it significantly easier than other games, but that's compensated with the zombies being on steroids. I cannot comment on the set up process of bo6, but cw set up is as easy as turn power on, complete trials for ww, and sit in the corner with wunderfizz and crafting station till u get bored and close out of game (bc it's impossible to die) In bo3 you are over powered, especially on maps like Rev, but there is typically a long, and semi challenging set up process that requires u to be fundamentally good at zombies to even do. No beginner is doing the zetsubo set up, but if your good at the game, and know the steps it's not that bad, it just takes a bit of time. Not to mention custom maps, which can be brain dead easy, or extremely hard. There js a variety of challenge in bo3, if u want a easy game boot up ascension, or the daybreak custom map. If you want a harder more in depth experience boot up zet, origins, shadows, leviathan, ect Modern cod is a shell of what it was, and it's sad people like you defend it. No interesting crew, no interesting EEs, recycled boss spam, health cap, new wunderfizz, war zone armor mechanics, score streaks and salvage. It's so sad.
@@ImEmmalol this is what people dont get and why everyone says its easy now. back in the day you got 3 slapped with jug and the only way to kill zombies was to train constantly and run them through traps. there was a lot more fore-thought and not just braindead sitting in a corner spamming R2
I think the following rules are very fair: Using a glitch puts you into a separate glitch run, abusing a game mechanic puts you into a glitch run. Whether it be god more, or whether it be infinite self revives, I’ll still be impressed at the time dedication but your in a glitch category. Using no glitches, you’re in the main run competition, saving and quitting at the start of a round is completely fine. The only time it is not fine is when you say are about to get cornered or you go down and do this to get your perks back. If for whatever reason your run ends due to Treyarch issues such as the ones showcased in the videos, you are allowed to use mods or console commands if possible to get you back to a same or worse position than previously left at. So no higher points, no higher rounds, no higher level packapunch etc.
I wanna speak on behalf of Kobe (KHF) as someone who’s been a friend to him for years cause the shit the Call of Duty community has put him through lately is horrible. Kobe is true to his word and takes cheating allegations seriously, he did not cheat. He lives in a part of Australia that is notoriously known for having bad internet and was at 300 ping so he saved and quit, he had multiple easy ways of staying alive there and over the 80+ hours he has faced far worse circumstances and lived. Nobody besides mystic, insomnia and him get to tell him what’s legal or not in this race. It was a harmless play no one thought of it at the time and it’s a harmless play now. Unethical? Maybe. But calling him a cheater and saying he should be disqualified from the race over that is not a fair take at all when he did something everyone had access to. He has been getting constant death threats in stream on top of getting non stop DDOSed, and his ISP had to send an engineering team to deal with it cause it’s that bad and he still doesn’t have his internet back so he’s still racing now off stream through Starbucks wifi at 0.40mbps download speed on a laptop. And once he finally gets his internet back and resumes stream, some losers will still accuse him of doing godmode off stream or something. 🤷♂️
To clarify the starbucks wifi thing was a joke, he is playing on phone data at 0.40 mbs, very risky cause of the potential of his internet dying mid run but it’s his only hope still.
bro can you change the thumbnail pic, the guy on your thumbnail did not cheat but based on the title and thumbnail of the video people would assume that he is cheating before watching the video, thank you in advance
I'd say it's really easy to determine a genuine gameplay to 999: NO, you cant skip vermin rounds. NO, you can't save and quit for a round reset regardless of the outcome. Obviously no cheating... and altering the gameplay in any way like the previously mentioned is just a logical NO.
If you get the mutant glitch right after you loaded into your game I think theoretically you could alt + F4 / quit using taskmanger or close your app to crash your game and when you open the game again, you will get a temporary save file which you then can load into.
this wont work, once you load into the game your autosave gets deleted and a new autosave doesnt get created till you finish the round and proceed to the next
I dont feel like it should be legit. You can say you dont think he would have game overed, but he took away that chance to prove it. He just didnt want to buy all his perks back?? When theres literally a one stop shop to buy ALL your perks at once? Or is it because he thought there was a chance he would in fact go down either in the round or when trying to buy all the perks back. I just don't believe his reasoning being that he was too lazy to buy his perks back.
My opinion is that if the game allows you to do something like "save and quit" and that effectively skips a vermin round, then It's legit. If it's an intended feature, it's not cheating, it's just a different game, different rules. Yes, I am aware of high round runs in older cods that are longer than 200 hours even, but the difference is that the game could be paused so you could have taken a break. On BO6 you only get 15 minutes. About the extra downs pre patch, like I said, it wasn't something that people were going out of their way to do, it's just that whenever you were saving and quitting, you were getting the augments reset. Nothing intentional was done to cause it, it was just how the game worked. What I find absolutely ridiculous is that people can actually crash, lag and lose hundreds of hours worth of games just because of "Connection Issues" in a freaking SOLO game. I think that has to be fixed or dealt with somehow because it is INSANE how I can't even play a solo game and the moment my connection goes out, a 1 second lag spike even, could lose me a huge high round game. P.S. If you want to see for yourself, I tweeted about this. I lost a game (At round 213) due to lag spiking for about 3-4 seconds. (It was going to be a 999 round attempt). So yes, Absolutely outrageous.
The guy who safeguarded himself by restarting the round definitely counts as cheating the competition. It’s like if a speedrunner could make a save every second and rewind to the save as well as reset the speedrun timer back to that point every mistake they make.
@@gen8901 it’s more like just the first part of your example, where speed runners can make a save every few seconds to go back to. Which they do in games like Skyrim and fallout. Is this competition not about time as well? Or only the round number? Isn’t it a race? Doesnt saving and quitting to restart a round slow down and hinder your progress to get to 999? And once 999 is achieved then whoever reaches it fastest will have the world record. Your analogy isn’t accurate
How is it cheating? It's taking advantage of game's systems. Sure, you don't have to agree with it, but it's not like he's using a glitch or a mod. He's playing completely vanilla.
Bo6 is a new zombies game with different mechanics then we're used to but saving a quitting is mechanic in this zombies game specifically. Getting upset that someone used said in game mechanic, just seems childish or like we're holding onto the past. Things evolve and change all the time, and i think we ought to just get used to the save and quit mechanic being used. At the end of the day if he gets to 999 he still has that accomplishment and whether we agree or disagree with how he got there, it doesnt really matter as it's already 200+ in game hours to get there AND him saving and quitting only adds more time to that. It would be a great feat regardless if he saves and quits or not. Rules are important, but we cant always base everything off how older games worked. This is a new zombies that is in many ways different than older titles
im sorry but if you're games lagging and you go down and you save an quite to get your perks back and undo what happened is taking the Piss. It's exactly the same as people who used Altf4 to stop losing SR in ranked. The honourable thing to do would be to restart. Saving and quitting to skip certain rounds is understandable because EVERYONE can do it, so no one is an a disadvantage
To me, skipping Vermin or Parasite rounds is 100% ok. They already start taking to long when you're at round 50, let alone at round 600, but save & quit cheesing when downing should definitely be counted as cheating. If we don't we might as well give everyone unlimited revives as downing wouldn't matter anymore. Do I think he would've died that exact round? Not necessarily, it's honestly not insane to come back from a down in this game, but it could definitely cause problems later on. Saying save & quit is cheating because it's not the run in one go is just plain stupidity. Saving and quitting is no different from leaving your game on all night and day until you can play, but without you absolutely destroying your PC/console and I genuinely think that the people complaining about this feature have never done actual high rounds.
Not really! Terminus doesn't have an efficient way of getting salvage and training zombies around isn't really viable because of the super sprinters. Highest round on there is in the low 400s I believe
@@Dispxre i would imagine yes because it essentially removes all real gameplay from the run, however it doesnt really matter since it was patched yesterday
Honestly, and maybe im being a killjoy, but none of these matches should be considered legit. All of them started on the previous patch, which means scorestreak spam until 256, and then more are usuing multiple QR augment glitch until that was patched too. No one can play like this now, so these games shouldnt count towards records bc theyre played on inaccessible versions of the game. Every game changing patch should kind of mean every wr attempt should have to be restarted
Are we talking about some virtuous online record or the actual cod leaderboards? Because to my knowledge it doesn't rank in best high round anymore.. just total rounds and total eliminations..as in who doesn't have a life or work and can play the game more.
I totally could see banning the save and quit strat (and am leaning towards agreeing to it). But there’s no way KHF is a cheater, he’s using an actual game mechanic and not a glitch or outside software. Cheesy? Yes. Cheating? Not really. I think he wouldn’t have downed, but with the leave feature he had NO chance of downing where at least doing it had some chance of downing, which is how zombies should work because otherwise it’s an idle game 😂
in my opinion, i think that anyone who hasn't started on the most recent patch shouldn't count, or anyone who has saved and quit to skip a round they didn't like, but at the end of the day, it's a video game, if you're getting so upset that you're unmodding people in your chat because they don't play the game the exact way you think they should, you need a therapist, something's just blatantly not right with you
OfficialKHF got so much hate hes pretending to have a power outage for 3 days just so InsomniaVirus can be the first round 999. Hope yall are happy for attacking someone over a glitch thats a IN GAME feature by the way.
the developers allows you to do it and there are no official high round rules, so theres zero reason it should be considered cheating. like it or not, its a part of the game this year
i dont get why its such a debate. Using Glitches and exploiting game mechanics like saving and quitting to restart is dishonest, Dishonesty is the core of cheating. Only intended features should be used. IMO soon as KOBE restarted to exploit the game into getting a do-over he cheated. its not hard to see
i disagree that its a cheated run when someone ends up down and saves and quits to keep there perks(i don't agree with the quick revive perk glitch), if other youtubers can save and quit on a entire vermin round just to skip it because it takes to long then there rounds don't count either. period.
bro it’s not cheating, everyone was abusing the save and quit for dying wish, there’s just zero rule set, also if you’ve high rounded you know he would’ve been fine getting out of that situation
Exploiting is considered cheating as well. You can't stay in corners where they can only get hit one way. There are alot of bugs glitches and exploits this is by definition cheating
GET KHF OUTTA THE RACE mans died got salty couldnt handle it he needs to face the facts be a man an accept he fucked up even if he wins it wont be respected
theres only 3 skills in osrs that takes more than 100hours you can getl ike 10 99s in 200 hours if you do the fastest methods for certain skills like cooking fletching woodcutting it takes you 63 hours to get 99 woodcutting if you 2 tick teaks for an examples
Being able to save and quit to avoid a run ending is dirty. While it’s not straight up cheating it definitely takes away from the significance of high rounds on bo6. Spamming mutant injection doesn’t help as well, even though I understand why people do it it’s just the lamest most boring gameplay. It’s not a matter of skill it’s a matter of who can waste the most time the fastest
If going down and save and quitting is cheating then. Saving and quitting when you get to round 100 just because you want a break is also cheating 🤷♂️
personally I just think it's sad how people do dis you get nothing for wasted you're life just to reach a high rounds so sad don't even get anything from the people of call of duty black ops
I wanna say that saving and quitting is considered cheating....BUT, Treyarch did put it in the game, maybe not for that reason specifically but if you can't think that far ahead to understand that some people are going to take advantage of the system then why put it in at all? Oh. Because of everything that's changed over the years with zombies in its entirety. Really on the fence about the question though, I'm not sure, making it to round 999 is still impressive regardless, or will be when somebody does it anyway. I'm arguing with myself about trying to it out.
@couragethecomputernerd no jackass!! I said I was on the fence about the whole thing because as it is now. That's zombies. In it's entirety. Things have changed. I also said that there's a reason it's there. Perhaps you should read the entire comment before asking dumb ass questions. I stated all of it.
@couragethecomputernerd to pause the game. To save and quit the game. Because? Understandable if it's to do with needing a break. But that's not the case here. It's manipulating the already messed up system to get something that's entirely made up (some race to 999) done faster? Like it won't happen eventually anyway during the natural course of time.
@RushinGG ok. I got a ninja warrior competition today im gonna kill it. But if you went live today I'll prolly stop by tonight after my competition run :D
The race is getting SPICY and it's only half way done! Who do you think is finishing in first place?
@@RushinGG mystic
An underdog someone who isn’t a popular streamer
i was rooting for dkal seen a good few streams from his runs and he was genuinely gutted to lose his games. gotta be insomnia for the win now. although i think dkal isnt completely out. i do hope he reaches 999 even if hes not going to be first.
mystic for sure hes on 750 plus
InsomniaVirus 💯
The fact It's possible for me to die from lag in solo zombies proves online only is a terrible idea.
This happened to me for the first time 2 days ago and I was furious. Luckily it was only like round 20 something. But lagging in solos? Fr?
I’ve learned to immediately pause the game if you see the zombies freeze, once you unpause your game will be back instantly
Mine lags like fuck was speedrunning terminus had a 40min boss fight which was my best and lagged out got stuck and died
unfortunately because of the xp it has to be online
Yes I lost my round 132 save from this
thank you for bringing attention to this. this challenge has destroyed me mentally. im glad it can at least be noticed
Hey that’s dkal
Goodluck bröther
Yea what happened to you was heartbreaking not even dying because you made a mistake good luck dude next time 💪
watching that happen in this video killed me, i can't imagine the pain
200 hours to complete this leaves so much room for error since this isnt a solo game anymore, thier servers could crash and end everyones game. or if your internet goes out ON A SOLO game your fucked.
It's cheesing, not cheating. It's 100% legit and something ANYBODY can do as far as the current patch. Keeping in mind that saving and quitting prevents you from doing it again until the next round, meaning it is a 1 time use per round.
Dude its already almost impossible to die in 100 rounds, so why would you down twice in a round.
@@Tudasif you think it’s so easy to get to round 100. Stream it and do it in one take. I’ll be waiting 😂
@@chuck_thebeard it is easy tho
@@chuck_thebeardit really is, especially if you’ve played zombies for a few games life cycles or even just Cold War a good amount. There’s a big difference between difficult and tedious, this game is the latter
@@NZLSATAN stream it legit and show me
Restarting the round is apart of the game by intention so it has to be allowed. Treyarch should remove saving and quitting when downed if it shouldnt be allowed.
you cant save and quit while downed, you have to be at full health. he died, self revived and then quit out because he knew it was bugged and would reset his augment.
@gasad01374 oh I see. Regardless it's just a feature that's a part of save and quit that can't be policed.
Hes cheating, end of story
@danielmorris5470 it not a feature it a glitch not the same
@@danielmorris5470it just ruins the spirit of zombies completely and should not be allowed feature in the game or not. It’s not that black and white. I don’t necessarily think he should be penalised however as it’s all new and the rules are shaky at best, me personally save quitting after being downed to reset the round mid round is as unsportsmanlike as anything can get I’d never do it personally. Who knows what he was thinking in that moment tho likely he just thought that people are saving quitting for many reasons and thought it was no big deal.
Damn, most intense High Rounding competition I've ever seen.
Also less interesting strats
@ idk, BO3, BO4, and Cold War never had any interesting strats for high rounds
@@it2spooky4me79 bo3 was a little more interesting in my opinion, even if im not a big fan of bo3, i would love that they nerf boss spawn rate tbh
@@afeyprod i think they should definitely try and fix the boss spam, make it difficult, but not annoyingly difficult, feels like IX and DOTN all over again with the spam
@@it2spooky4me79 Its not hard, its annoying.
This same thing happens on Bloons tower defense where the player can quit right before they die and restart the wave. Granted that’s a tower defense game but nobody cares in that game. It’s more of treyarch’s development fault than making us the cheaters for using it.
lol when i realized you could do this in bo6 it reminded me of btd6 i would always do that
The thing is, if you do that on CHIMPS mode, that run won't give you the black border.
well even that game has a safeguard sort of. You dont get the real chimps medal so you cant black border unless you do chimps legit
its like murdering someone and saying its the guns fault for having the ability to shoot
@@sneko2860an educated man here i see, bloons is peak
If saving and quitting is not legit how would you play for 200 hours straight? 😂
someone got round 255 on nacht der untoten with no gobble gums on bo3 and it took him 300 hours of game time with no save and quit
@@illusion_0805difference is he could pause, you only get 15 minutes of pause time without save and quitting in bo6
@@illusion_0805 save and quit is the only feature that allows for BO6 to have immensly high rounds. In BO3, the game would end due to RAM building up.
@@illusion_0805You can pause on that game….
You missed the point
Anything that can be done in a game without 3rd party software isn’t cheating. Except for console commands if they are accessible by default
What you are talking about is hacking. Abusing core game mechanics to get advantage IS cheating.
@ nope. Pretty much every speedrun game community allows glitches. Zombies community are an odd exception.
@Ryan-ni7mo that not true at all. Every game have a normal speedrun and a any means necessary one (one vanilla and one with glitch) you just don't know what you are talking about
@ yes it’s called any% and it’s the standard run for almost every game. Glitchless is much less played for most games
@@Вселеннус abusing mechanic that everyone else can do when theres no legit rules isnt cheating lol
I dont think saving and quitting is a issue i mean people deserve a break and with the pause timer you cant just leave your game paused anymore
Save/quit is fine, it's literally the only way anyone will ever reach round 999 in this game. Abusing that feature purely to avoid a down though, that's exploiting the games systems, and unfair to other competitors who are treating the competition seriously and playing legitimately.
Especially when 999 takes 200 hours to reach
@@Arcadia95he would’ve saved and quit eventually in a vermin round and have gotten that quick revive charge back since it was prepatch it literally just saved him a couple of minutes for having to rebuy all perks but he loses time redoing the round so it cancels out
@@Arcadia95 theres no exploit, the game allows you to do it. treyarch could have easily have prevented this in a number of ways but they chose not to
@@kmochi- It very much is an exploit in regards to the race for 999. Abusing a feature of the game for an advantage you would otherwise not have is an exploit, especially during a competition.
This is a new feature that Treyarch have implemented, so of course there will be flaws to be found with it, same as the boats on Terminus or the Dying Wish/Equivalent Exchange augment exploits.
Using a VALID save and quit is NOT cheating. Losing your zombie kills and round progression is a perfectly valid punishment for getting your perks back. It's a once per round do-over that EVERYONE has access to.
Cheating deliberately using glitches or tools to give oneself an unfair advantage that nobody else can replicate. Extreme high-rounding on previous titles could be done solo over the course of multiple days because of the ability to pause for food, water, and sleep. Given that, if the people want to cry about save quitting all together, please keep in mind that a round 999 run would LITERALLY KILL YOU if you were to do it in one session due to sleep deprivation(200 hours is right at the upper limit of how long it will take a normal human brain before it just crashes, resulting in near immediate brain death).
So, if you want to save your perks because you screwed up a round and just don't feel like going to the wonderfizz with your 2.5 billion extra points from previous rounds, then you can use the save quit because EVERYONE CAN DO IT AND IT DOESN'T DISCREDIT ANY PART OF THE ACHIEVEMENT. It's correcting a single mistake in a round where you've alread completely fried your brain.
It would be one thing if save quitting were a payed for feature or if it were an activision employee using a feature only they have access to.
I swear, ya'll pick the stupidest hills to die on in the COD community.
save quitting shouldnt be an option after a self revive, its basically a glitch... you cant say he wouldve survived for certain, i think its fair to say its not in the spirit of the game
You make a valid point but man it just feels weird to save quit mid round and restart a round like that, feels like using the save quit this way fucks with the spirit and core of zombies, like you said everyone can do it and you do lose progression. I feel as though at the start of every round you should have a 20 window to save quit and it can’t be done mid round maybe treyarch will implement that idk.
You’re right tho his run shouldn’t be invalidated.
@@rumdoreexactly I feel like save quitting mid round fucks with the core and spirit of zombies, I don’t however feel like his run should be invalidated
No one is saying you shouldnt use the save and quit feature. People are saying you shouldnt use it when you're about to die in a high rounding competition
For real!
what’s really sad is how the guy is getting treated, it’s a game at the end of the day. even if people don’t consider it legit. although it is another syndicate 115 just in current time.
A world record is a world record. game or not doesn't matter if they cheat they should get backlash for those who plays legit and not abusing a system. Just like real life what if I make the world's biggest pizza and say it's made of dough but it's intact made out of plastic with real cheese pizza sauce on that plastic to get the world record. Guess what? The world record will be voided because it wasn't done legit
@@jessiestarr4600 i get your point but going out to harass the guy and ddos his internet is a bit far like cmon, what has he actually done? tell me this since you have the absolute gaul to sit there and cry meanwhile 10yr ago no doubt you dashboarded to keep your perka. i haven’t seen mention matey is submitting his run, he’s just going through with it. don’t act like you’re an angel when you’ve obviously cheated a system in one way or another to benefit yourself.
Except Khf's pizza isn't made of plastic. It was never fake or cheated to begin with. He had a hiccup and Treyarch allows players to Save & Exit and remake part of the pizza because that is how they design the game. Treyarch is the absolute authority when it comes to what is officially cheating or not. Godmode, glitches, pile up, Treyarch has made it very clear those are not allow. Save & Exit? It's allowed.
It's not a Syndicate situation because Syndicate used a mod tool. Treyarch allows players to use an in-game feature they made. Khf used it as Treyarch intended.
@cybzer0560 okay this is what I meant; syndicate started from the round he died? I can't really remember the ins and outs. but either way, matey did the same. Just not using /setround69 yk? Just more in today's technology. that's what I meant.
Man I could CARE LESS about save and quit, if someone reaches 999 that in and off ITSELF is CRAZY impressive!
It’s a video game. Who really cares about what strategy anyone else uses to get to round 999
Tons of ppl? That’s who cares. I don’t, but I know someone who’s never accomplished things irl might look to video games for that sense of accomplishment and this could be that very thing that finally makes them feel good about themself.
Mangler simulator
08:50 That happened to me. I was Playing on terminus for the Easter Egg then I was kicked despite running around in a big circle Training a Zombie...
They need to fix that the "Kicked for Inactivity" Glitch
It's so stupid because people wouldn't have to spam killstreaks if there weren't that many manglers, abomination and the other one on terminus it just makes round 30+ unfun
Yeah I’ve only made it to 41 because it took so long from 31 to 41 and it just becomes tedious and slow with one strat that works best. It’s boring and gives no reason to continue so might as well skip the exfil with chopper or mangler injection because I’m not sure a round 41 exfil is actually possible without a scorestreak
round 32 solo theres like 8 fucking manglers xD its aids
love it when someone posts to just post when treyarch had patch notes saying elites wont drop scorestreaks when killed by scorestreaks
Being kicked for inactivity in Zombies is wild...
Well heads up im assuming this was a part of one of the secret patches but if you let your pause timer run out it no longer ends your game it leaves the pause menu up and unpauses your game
To me, mystic won. He did the most hours and his game crashed at 926
No, in my experience. You don't get the newest version until you restart your game. I had done the valve glitch a couple days after patch even after leaving match.
I don’t think I’ve seen a more un-fun high round competition in zombies until BO6 came out
This game needs some seriously tweaking cause trying to kill all those manglers and sit through those exhaustingly long parasite rounds is genuinely painful
Ah yes, another zombies game where high rounds is sitting in a corner near a buy station. Gone are the days where round 100 is seen as a achievement
Yes, so different from sitting on firetrap on kino lmfao.
@InciteSarcasm It literally is though. In kino you need the skill to train for hours and hours with the MPL to get the points to even use the trap strat. Modern cod u literally do not have to leave the corner. The zombies HP caps so guns and wonder weapons always 1 shot, ammo is never a problem, score streaks are op, idek what the armored suit in bo6 is, but that looks absurd. I could hit round 50 in cold war without looking at my monitor, I would have to really try and pay attention to do it on kino
@@ImEmmalol Not that hard especially compared to other rd 100s in bo1, even in the older games you had nacht and shi no numa which are some of the easiest ever, die rise very easy, everything relating to bo3 and 4 is piss easy.
@InciteSarcasm A brand new player that's never touched zombies before could not achieve a round 50 in other zombie games without putting in time, learning, and trying really hard. I could set my mom down on my pc who's only gaming experience is candy crush and she could get round 50 in cold war within a couple attempts. You are delusional to compare them.
The only reason old waw is easy to progress rounds is bc there is 24 zombies a round so the round scaling is messed up.
Bo3 is interesting. Most of the giga op gums aren't allowed in wr runs, you can choose to play without megas for a more traditional experience, and there's categories for it, the AATs make it significantly easier than other games, but that's compensated with the zombies being on steroids.
I cannot comment on the set up process of bo6, but cw set up is as easy as turn power on, complete trials for ww, and sit in the corner with wunderfizz and crafting station till u get bored and close out of game (bc it's impossible to die)
In bo3 you are over powered, especially on maps like Rev, but there is typically a long, and semi challenging set up process that requires u to be fundamentally good at zombies to even do. No beginner is doing the zetsubo set up, but if your good at the game, and know the steps it's not that bad, it just takes a bit of time.
Not to mention custom maps, which can be brain dead easy, or extremely hard. There js a variety of challenge in bo3, if u want a easy game boot up ascension, or the daybreak custom map. If you want a harder more in depth experience boot up zet, origins, shadows, leviathan, ect
Modern cod is a shell of what it was, and it's sad people like you defend it. No interesting crew, no interesting EEs, recycled boss spam, health cap, new wunderfizz, war zone armor mechanics, score streaks and salvage. It's so sad.
@@ImEmmalol this is what people dont get and why everyone says its easy now. back in the day you got 3 slapped with jug and the only way to kill zombies was to train constantly and run them through traps. there was a lot more fore-thought and not just braindead sitting in a corner spamming R2
I think the following rules are very fair:
Using a glitch puts you into a separate glitch run, abusing a game mechanic puts you into a glitch run. Whether it be god more, or whether it be infinite self revives, I’ll still be impressed at the time dedication but your in a glitch category.
Using no glitches, you’re in the main run competition, saving and quitting at the start of a round is completely fine. The only time it is not fine is when you say are about to get cornered or you go down and do this to get your perks back.
If for whatever reason your run ends due to Treyarch issues such as the ones showcased in the videos, you are allowed to use mods or console commands if possible to get you back to a same or worse position than previously left at. So no higher points, no higher rounds, no higher level packapunch etc.
I wanna speak on behalf of Kobe (KHF) as someone who’s been a friend to him for years cause the shit the Call of Duty community has put him through lately is horrible. Kobe is true to his word and takes cheating allegations seriously, he did not cheat. He lives in a part of Australia that is notoriously known for having bad internet and was at 300 ping so he saved and quit, he had multiple easy ways of staying alive there and over the 80+ hours he has faced far worse circumstances and lived. Nobody besides mystic, insomnia and him get to tell him what’s legal or not in this race. It was a harmless play no one thought of it at the time and it’s a harmless play now. Unethical? Maybe. But calling him a cheater and saying he should be disqualified from the race over that is not a fair take at all when he did something everyone had access to. He has been getting constant death threats in stream on top of getting non stop DDOSed, and his ISP had to send an engineering team to deal with it cause it’s that bad and he still doesn’t have his internet back so he’s still racing now off stream through Starbucks wifi at 0.40mbps download speed on a laptop. And once he finally gets his internet back and resumes stream, some losers will still accuse him of doing godmode off stream or something. 🤷♂️
To clarify the starbucks wifi thing was a joke, he is playing on phone data at 0.40 mbs, very risky cause of the potential of his internet dying mid run but it’s his only hope still.
Insomniavirus is the only guy I trust with the 999 race
bro can you change the thumbnail pic, the guy on your thumbnail did not cheat but based on the title and thumbnail of the video people would assume that he is cheating before watching the video, thank you in advance
I'd say it's really easy to determine a genuine gameplay to 999: NO, you cant skip vermin rounds. NO, you can't save and quit for a round reset regardless of the outcome. Obviously no cheating... and altering the gameplay in any way like the previously mentioned is just a logical NO.
Wait this is actually an race, I’ve completed it 3 days ago lol
theres this tactical sprint option in settings that makes you auto sprint when moving forward. this could probably of saved your game
Wait did you start a new round 999 attempt or are were you just getting b-roll for the video
If you get the mutant glitch right after you loaded into your game I think theoretically you could alt + F4 / quit using taskmanger or close your app to crash your game and when you open the game again, you will get a temporary save file which you then can load into.
this wont work, once you load into the game your autosave gets deleted and a new autosave doesnt get created till you finish the round and proceed to the next
@ I see, so you just need to get lucky I guess. Or just move onto chipper gunners for the first round after spawning in from the save.
@@VxFallingnah it does work, but if you try it more the once it wont
I dont feel like it should be legit. You can say you dont think he would have game overed, but he took away that chance to prove it. He just didnt want to buy all his perks back?? When theres literally a one stop shop to buy ALL your perks at once? Or is it because he thought there was a chance he would in fact go down either in the round or when trying to buy all the perks back. I just don't believe his reasoning being that he was too lazy to buy his perks back.
My opinion is that if the game allows you to do something like "save and quit" and that effectively skips a vermin round, then It's legit. If it's an intended feature, it's not cheating, it's just a different game, different rules. Yes, I am aware of high round runs in older cods that are longer than 200 hours even, but the difference is that the game could be paused so you could have taken a break. On BO6 you only get 15 minutes.
About the extra downs pre patch, like I said, it wasn't something that people were going out of their way to do, it's just that whenever you were saving and quitting, you were getting the augments reset. Nothing intentional was done to cause it, it was just how the game worked.
What I find absolutely ridiculous is that people can actually crash, lag and lose hundreds of hours worth of games just because of "Connection Issues" in a freaking SOLO game. I think that has to be fixed or dealt with somehow because it is INSANE how I can't even play a solo game and the moment my connection goes out, a 1 second lag spike even, could lose me a huge high round game.
P.S. If you want to see for yourself, I tweeted about this. I lost a game (At round 213) due to lag spiking for about 3-4 seconds. (It was going to be a 999 round attempt). So yes, Absolutely outrageous.
I dont think older cods went on for 200 hours cause most reset at 70-100 hours
@@stplays I think there are some on BO3, not sure about older than that
The guy who safeguarded himself by restarting the round definitely counts as cheating the competition. It’s like if a speedrunner could make a save every second and rewind to the save as well as reset the speedrun timer back to that point every mistake they make.
I 100% agree with you!
@@gen8901 it’s more like just the first part of your example, where speed runners can make a save every few seconds to go back to. Which they do in games like Skyrim and fallout.
Is this competition not about time as well? Or only the round number? Isn’t it a race? Doesnt saving and quitting to restart a round slow down and hinder your progress to get to 999? And once 999 is achieved then whoever reaches it fastest will have the world record. Your analogy isn’t accurate
I think it’s fair as the game does put a limit on it, so you can’t spam it as you must progress rounds to get to the next save
How is it cheating? It's taking advantage of game's systems. Sure, you don't have to agree with it, but it's not like he's using a glitch or a mod. He's playing completely vanilla.
Dumb take
Bo6 is a new zombies game with different mechanics then we're used to but saving a quitting is mechanic in this zombies game specifically. Getting upset that someone used said in game mechanic, just seems childish or like we're holding onto the past. Things evolve and change all the time, and i think we ought to just get used to the save and quit mechanic being used. At the end of the day if he gets to 999 he still has that accomplishment and whether we agree or disagree with how he got there, it doesnt really matter as it's already 200+ in game hours to get there AND him saving and quitting only adds more time to that. It would be a great feat regardless if he saves and quits or not. Rules are important, but we cant always base everything off how older games worked. This is a new zombies that is in many ways different than older titles
Cant wait till treyarch releases the classic mode. Thats gonna make getting 999 even more difficult
im sorry but if you're games lagging and you go down and you save an quite to get your perks back and undo what happened is taking the Piss. It's exactly the same as people who used Altf4 to stop losing SR in ranked.
The honourable thing to do would be to restart.
Saving and quitting to skip certain rounds is understandable because EVERYONE can do it, so no one is an a disadvantage
Insomnia is the front runner
To me, skipping Vermin or Parasite rounds is 100% ok. They already start taking to long when you're at round 50, let alone at round 600, but save & quit cheesing when downing should definitely be counted as cheating.
If we don't we might as well give everyone unlimited revives as downing wouldn't matter anymore.
Do I think he would've died that exact round? Not necessarily, it's honestly not insane to come back from a down in this game, but it could definitely cause problems later on.
Saying save & quit is cheating because it's not the run in one go is just plain stupidity. Saving and quitting is no different from leaving your game on all night and day until you can play, but without you absolutely destroying your PC/console and I genuinely think that the people complaining about this feature have never done actual high rounds.
insomnia the goat
Is Treyarch ever going to acknowledge the “unable to save game, try again later” glitch? This completely ruins high round attempts.
How about terminus are their people trying to get to 999 on that map?
Not really! Terminus doesn't have an efficient way of getting salvage and training zombies around isn't really viable because of the super sprinters. Highest round on there is in the low 400s I believe
@@RushinGGWould using the boat pile up “glitch” be considered “cheating” and or “invalid” towards counting if it were to be used for high rounds?
@@Dispxre i would imagine yes because it essentially removes all real gameplay from the run, however it doesnt really matter since it was patched yesterday
@ I’ve seen around that another workaround was discovered so who knows. But I see where you are coming from.
@Dispxre that shouldn't even be a question to ask. It's a exploit so obviously yes it's cheating
It's great that they make a race to reach 999 but to be honest, going up rounds on that map is simply time since it has 0 difficulty
Sorry you lost your run bro, it was a good attempt
I feel like save scumming is a part of the game and this is more of an endurance challenge.
The info wasnt wrong it just got updated from 250 to 999
Honestly, and maybe im being a killjoy, but none of these matches should be considered legit. All of them started on the previous patch, which means scorestreak spam until 256, and then more are usuing multiple QR augment glitch until that was patched too.
No one can play like this now, so these games shouldnt count towards records bc theyre played on inaccessible versions of the game.
Every game changing patch should kind of mean every wr attempt should have to be restarted
why arent people just tapping the jet gun by the zipline forever?
i mean you cant run out of ammo if you do it right
What about Mystic? Already at round over 800
Cant wait for update i cannot carry on the camo grind until then its just not worth it gna get brain rot 😂😂
Are we talking about some virtuous online record or the actual cod leaderboards? Because to my knowledge it doesn't rank in best high round anymore.. just total rounds and total eliminations..as in who doesn't have a life or work and can play the game more.
Isnt 920 the halfway point?
I totally could see banning the save and quit strat (and am leaning towards agreeing to it). But there’s no way KHF is a cheater, he’s using an actual game mechanic and not a glitch or outside software. Cheesy? Yes. Cheating? Not really. I think he wouldn’t have downed, but with the leave feature he had NO chance of downing where at least doing it had some chance of downing, which is how zombies should work because otherwise it’s an idle game 😂
People are racing to round 999.
How did I not know about that
ONLINE ONLY IS TERRIBLE!!!! Please spread this
in my opinion, i think that anyone who hasn't started on the most recent patch shouldn't count, or anyone who has saved and quit to skip a round they didn't like, but at the end of the day, it's a video game, if you're getting so upset that you're unmodding people in your chat because they don't play the game the exact way you think they should, you need a therapist, something's just blatantly not right with you
Mystic died on 926 crazy
OfficialKHF got so much hate hes pretending to have a power outage for 3 days just so InsomniaVirus can be the first round 999. Hope yall are happy for attacking someone over a glitch thats a IN GAME feature by the way.
that guy conpeting with his friend has a big ego i hope he realises and they make up
Always online is a cancer man. If my single player game starts lagging? Nah
the developers allows you to do it and there are no official high round rules, so theres zero reason it should be considered cheating. like it or not, its a part of the game this year
they need to just not allow save quite mid stream only at end of stream
So stupid dude nawh, 15 mins of pausing isn't enough time for a 3+ hour stream
i dont get why its such a debate. Using Glitches and exploiting game mechanics like saving and quitting to restart is dishonest, Dishonesty is the core of cheating.
Only intended features should be used.
IMO soon as KOBE restarted to exploit the game into getting a do-over he cheated. its not hard to see
I wonder if the devs will address bug rounds since everyone hates them and just skips them lmao
If you can’t quit to restart the round you shouldn’t be allowed to quit to skip vermin rounds
i disagree that its a cheated run when someone ends up down and saves and quits to keep there perks(i don't agree with the quick revive perk glitch), if other youtubers can save and quit on a entire vermin round just to skip it because it takes to long then there rounds don't count either. period.
Gotta love this toxic community we have. Never change zombies community
200 hours is a long time to hope for nothing to go wrong when online. No thanks.
Insomnia virus is insanely good he is flawless on 680+
Even if you save and quit glitch you are still spending all that time for 999 which is admirable
Mystic 👍
bro it’s not cheating, everyone was abusing the save and quit for dying wish, there’s just zero rule set, also if you’ve high rounded you know he would’ve been fine getting out of that situation
Exploiting is considered cheating as well. You can't stay in corners where they can only get hit one way. There are alot of bugs glitches and exploits this is by definition cheating
Cods actually updating the game so I can’t complain they done more then the last two cods did
GET KHF OUTTA THE RACE mans died got salty couldnt handle it he needs to face the facts be a man an accept he fucked up even if he wins it wont be respected
What happened to decal is sad ASF
InsomniaVirus just sounds like your average teachers pet. "Um actually that's not allowed." 🤓
old video
mystics file got corrupted
If Save and Quit is an intended, official function, then why would it be considered cheating? It should be allowed IMO
200 hours is like 1 skill on runescape so not that bad.
theres only 3 skills in osrs that takes more than 100hours you can getl ike 10 99s in 200 hours if you do the fastest methods for certain skills like cooking fletching woodcutting it takes you 63 hours to get 99 woodcutting if you 2 tick teaks for an examples
contruction to 99 takes you 13 hours cooking 5 hours crafting 37 firemaking 30 and for rs3 im pretty sure its faster
Game is way too glitchy… i can’t even prestige it’s so lame
Who honestly cares if people cheat in zombies it's better than the ones on warzone and multiplayer grieving people
It's not cheating when it's a feature of the game
I've already got to 895 but I don't want the attention
Being able to save and quit to avoid a run ending is dirty. While it’s not straight up cheating it definitely takes away from the significance of high rounds on bo6. Spamming mutant injection doesn’t help as well, even though I understand why people do it it’s just the lamest most boring gameplay. It’s not a matter of skill it’s a matter of who can waste the most time the fastest
ofc he wouldnt have gamed over
The whole thing is a shambles. You aren't allowed to cheat but glitches and bugs are allowed? Talk about contradictory information.
5:00 let’s just take the time and notice that i am now famous, im in the chat lol
I haven’t hit round 50 without my game crashing on PS5 with 14 ms ping…. Their servers are shit.
no his run isnt cheated, its a glitch everyone was doing. these people need to stop being werid abt it....
You just said he wasn’t cheating and then said he was in the same sentence that’s crazy.
I’m willing to bet you are terrible at the game talking like that
@@jomsmcreee464 ahh now you’re deflecting what a surprise
@@Ability-r3ereading comprehension 0
If going down and save and quitting is cheating then. Saving and quitting when you get to round 100 just because you want a break is also cheating 🤷♂️
personally I just think it's sad how people do dis you get nothing for wasted you're life just to reach a high rounds so sad don't even get anything from the people of call of duty black ops
I’m old school if you quit the game, that’s it. You died at that point.
not legit. he abused an exploit that he knew existed with the intent of gaining advantage and refreshing his self revive/augment
I wanna say that saving and quitting is considered cheating....BUT, Treyarch did put it in the game, maybe not for that reason specifically but if you can't think that far ahead to understand that some people are going to take advantage of the system then why put it in at all? Oh. Because of everything that's changed over the years with zombies in its entirety. Really on the fence about the question though, I'm not sure, making it to round 999 is still impressive regardless, or will be when somebody does it anyway. I'm arguing with myself about trying to it out.
what is the “cheat” here though… to fucking pause your game??
@couragethecomputernerd no jackass!! I said I was on the fence about the whole thing because as it is now. That's zombies. In it's entirety. Things have changed. I also said that there's a reason it's there. Perhaps you should read the entire comment before asking dumb ass questions. I stated all of it.
@couragethecomputernerd to pause the game. To save and quit the game. Because? Understandable if it's to do with needing a break. But that's not the case here. It's manipulating the already messed up system to get something that's entirely made up (some race to 999) done faster? Like it won't happen eventually anyway during the natural course of time.
@@raynehatred2853 Until Treyarch officially say's it's cheating, it ain't.
@Anzunai hence why I said, on the fence about it. To each their own.
bro if it's gonna take 200 hrs to beat it you better be able to save and quit
Whens the next live Sir?
No idea haha I've started a new game, but keep getting sidetracked making videos
@RushinGG ok. I got a ninja warrior competition today im gonna kill it. But if you went live today I'll prolly stop by tonight after my competition run :D
@RushinGG can't wait for your live streams. Hopefully you're on PS5 this time, if not, you at least have a new PS4 controller