Why A Team From Tahiti Plays In The French Cup (And How They Do It)
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- The French Cup is legendary (among nerds) for having the longest away trips in club football. That’s because they allow teams from France’s overseas territories to enter - and play against teams from the mainland. But how does this actually work? And what are the games like? There's only one way to find out...
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Just want to clarify, unlike in the UK, France's overseas territories are part of France itself. There is no political distinction between the overseas regions and the regions in Metropolitan France. They do have special legal status in some cases, but they are all part of France.
And I believe they all get French passports so a flight from Mayotte or Tahiti is domestic for them.
@@joermnyc Except the Tahiti team went through the states so it is two international flights to travel domestic.
@@jacktattersall9457 I mean, not the only place that can happen. IIRC before Russia decided to invade Ukraine, there were domestic flights to its far east with layovers in second country.
what do you mean by UK's overseas
CPGGrey does a really good explanatory video of the different parts of the UK, and it's various types of UK-but-not-UK, that will answer that better than most. :-)
"....including this shot, which nearly ended up back in Tahiti...."
Savage. Genuinely lol'd.
Fun fact: The surfing competitions in the 2024 Summer Olympics will be held in Tahiti which breaks the record for the farthest medal competition to stage outside the host city.
weirdly, that didn't break the record by a lot, because the equestrian events of Melbourne's 1956 Olympic games were held in Stockholm and 5 months before the opening ceremony in Australia (strict quarantine rules in Australia forced that to happen)
The Coupe de France is by far the best cup competition in the world, as well as being open to the clubs from the DOMTOMs, it also draws lower league teams at home (if there's two levels between clubs) , no replays, just extra time and penalties. It annoys the big teams no end having to trek to a half-derelict Stade Municipal to play on a rutted, grassless pitch against some clogging amateurs. It's great.
The German cup does (kinda) the same, although the Stadiums/pitches of the amateur clubs must clear some requirements to be used for DFB Pokal matches. Mostly to do with capacity, iirc. Oh, and no Overseas territory teams, bc Germany doesn't have any (that I know of)
@@Biglmpact There was that time in the 90's when the small town club SV Meppen spent several years in 2nd league. They 'almost' made it into 1st at one point. Legend has it that other 2nd league teams weren't amused about playing (and even losing) against a team of "hobbyist farm boys" in their small-town stadium. The people of Meppen are still proud of it
The PSG-Carquefous Washington awsome 😂
Was, not Washington!
@@Biglmpact What about Ernst Thälmann island, off the coast of Cuba.
Is it a German territory ?
Edit : apparently, according to the Cuban foreign office it's not.
Was curious as to how the 3 team Saint Pierre and Miquelon league worked so I looked them up. While I didn't discover how the league works, I did find that A.S. Îlienne Amateur (one of the three teams) won the Newfoundland and Labrador Challenge Cup and almost became the provincial representative for Newfoundland and Labrador in the Canadian Challenge Trophy tournament for the best amateur teams in the country in 1979. However, after a media outcry, some soccer organization from either Newfoundland or Canada nullified their win and sent a team actually from Newfoundland instead.
If that was set up to be the qualifier, then shame on them for not respecting the integrity of the competition.
They were probably disqualified because Quebec resents them not joining Canada as the second Francophone province and Newfoundland and Labrador wishes it could annex them.
@jacktattersall9457 Canada has a second Francophone province, New Brunswick. It's officially bilingual, with French and English - in that order - having official status.
@@jacktattersall9457Trust me, most people in Québec have no clue Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon exists, and those who do have no intention of having it join the province or the country. It's a niche touristic destination at most.
And now you know why Canada is not in the Eurovision.
Any mention of the Coupe de France always brings to mind Calais Racing Union, an amateur side who made it to the final in 2000.
And who's best player Emmanuel Vasseur went on to sign for English professional 4th level team Leyton Orient, and flopped.
And sadly the club went bust a few years later. A shame as a visit to their home games was enjoyable.
In 2014 the European Track Cycling Championship was hosted by France in Guadeloupe.
Out of all the possible results, a well fought 1-0 was not what I was expecting. I would have thought it would be massively unbalanced, just wasn't sure which way around!
the piano version of "Complicated" while explaining the rules behind this is quite brilliant :)
This and Home and Away are songs more associated with former Commonwealth realms :) Imagine a top tier Canadian team playing a League Three team and the A-League champion playing a League One team? This would be brilliant.
When I read the title, I immediately knew WHY the team plays in the french cup - but I thought it would still be interesting to hear you talk about the how. And I was not disappointed :)
[Edit: Oh, and by the way: The question if UEFA would let them play is already answered. They would. But there are two catches that make it impracticable: Catch One is that they would need to name a home stadium that was up to UEFA standards. This has happend to a lot of surprise underdog cup winners like e.g. my home town team of Alemannia Aachen who had to play in Cologne because out stadium was not euro-ready. And Catch Two is that, obviously, the UEFA won't fund trips for them to participate in the group stage and it is highly questionable if the french association would continue to fund an entire group stage worth of overseas travel for the team. The only question that is kinda open is weather the _other_ teams in the UEFA group stage would have to pay for their own trip TO Haiti as well, which might be fine and a nice bonus for sites like ManU or Bayern München, but could be balance breaking for, say, the moldovan cup winner.]
Second caveat should not be a problem, since the money earned through getting into the group stage should be enough to fund all travel. And Klaksvik from Faroe Island plays the group stage in a stadium with less than 3000 seats this season, therefore I think finding one stadium good enough should be doable.
Thanks for the insights ! (careful it's Tahiti and not Haiti haha)
Not sure about that, since most of those teams also play local cups qualifying to confederations' tournament (CONCAF, AFC and CAN). Pretty sure you can't have double affiliation and the UEFA qualifying spot would reverse to runner-up or into a top tier table extra spot
@@thibautnarme6402 As long as they do not qualify for two different confederations' tournament the very same season, there's not really an issue here.
Given the Tahitian football season runs from November-July, I also suspect that if this was to happen, the Tahitian team might get to play their UEFA home group stage games at a nominated stadium in France, and start their season slightly later. Assuming they didn't qualify out of the group stage they'd be out by the first week of December and be back home shortly after.
One of the reasons I like France so much is the go the extra mile to be quirky. Love it.
Using "Extra mile"in your comment is probably the most accurate metaphor and the greatest euphemism I've ever read.
I have watched more football on your channel in two years than I have watched on TV in 40 years. To say that I'm not a fan of football is an understatement, but I am a big fan of your channel, including the bizarre football matches you put on here.
Try going to a stadium if you have someone to go with. I find football on TV extremely boring but the very few times I went to see it live on a stadium (which happened, like, two or three times), I was actually having fun the whole 90+ minutes.
The piano music in the background of explaining the overseas teams is why I love this channel.
I’m not a football fan by any means, but any pedantry always does it for me. As ever, thanks Tim!
I love the cut to black on "week-long all expenses paid trip to tahi...yeah sorry."
Another interesting story is about a New Caledonia club called Hienghène Sport. In November 2019, they played their 7th round of French Cup against Vauban Strasbourg (3-1 Loss). 1 month later, they entered another competition, the FIFA Club World Cup, as winners of the 2019 OFC Champions League. They were sadly eliminated on first Round after ET against Al-Sadd, coached at the time by Xavi.
How?
@@MarsiVenus33New Caledonia is affiliated to FIFA, even being part of France.
So, its clubs comprtes in OFC Champions League, which is a qualifier for FIFA Club World Cup.
Hyenghène won the competition in that year.
A fascinating, and very funny, video. This is why football is the number one sport in the world. You can't help but love the underdogs in football.
Lovely work, Tim. Thank you for the innocent pleasure that you bring to so many people. Keep up the good work!!
As a French football lover, i'm still amazed of these kind of events.
I'd love to see an DOM-TOM team go over the 16th round !
I am surprised that some don't go further. E.g. Reunion has a bigger population some European countries. I assumed they had a decent amateur league and therefore would have good chances to beat other amateur teams.
Lee from The Sweeper here. Also surprised that they don’t go further. The furthest an overseas team has ever got is the last 32 and that has happened only three times ever! But we hope and pray for a longer overseas cup run soon! 😃
Being surrounded by other European countries makes it easier for one to play football than if you're in an island in the middle of nowhere.
@@SweeperPod I'd guess one issue is talent migration to mainland France as I would guess visa rules would be fairly easy considering the political situation
@@bartsimho1192 Reunión is an integral part of france, so no problemos for them moving to the european part of france i guess?
@@SweeperPodit also reminds me of when my local town team lost something like 13:1 (don’t remember the actual result) against Bayern Munich. But everyone talked about the guy that scored against them 😂.
I konw... basically nothing about football/soccer (I'm American); but I always find these Tim Traveler videos about it fascinating, because it's less about the sport (which isn't my thing) and more about the experience of being there.
I dunno, it's just neat.
6:25 I just wanted to say that putting Avril Lavigne's "Complicated" as background theme for this section was a brilliant move.
Yes! A new Tim traveler video 👏
one in a france :D
"The game's gone to extra time!"
"Damn, we've missed our flight!"
Your background musical performance of Avril Lavigne to start off the "Trying to Explain This Total Madness" halftime segment -- chef's kiss
the music choice for each section is always so on point, thanks Tim
More so when you consider Home and Away is from one of the Commonwealth realms. Prescient in both the match context (colony vs empire team) and the home and away fixture contexts.
Well, in a way, I knew why Tahiti plays in the French Cup (Basically, politically, they're French, so of course, they're there). But hearing the whole logistics behind it was fascinating. Also, apparently, I still know all the words to the Home and Away theme song. LOL !
As a French one of my dream is to see a couple of Tour de France stages in the overseas territory. I kmow that is completely impossible logistically speaking but that would be an absolute banger.
Home and Away theme song to finish.
Australian soap opera theme in a video about french teams, one closer to Australia in distance
7:01 🎶 Why'd you go ahead and make things so complicated 🎶
Really enjoyed this, I'm subscribed so no idea why it's only just shown up in my feed now. Also I've been introduced to a new podcast! Cheers.
Like we say in France ; " C'est la magie de la coupe".
So awesome of you to play French music in the beginning! 💯💥
Today's 'Halloooo' reminds Caribbean lads like me that sports is a trade-off between damp/cold and cactus at the end of a slide. It goes well with beer and a warming fire.
The Home and Away theme was a nice touch 😂
I love the piano music in this video. Very well done (Home and Away lol).
Gee the Home and Away theme song caught me off guard at 9:05 😂😂😂Very appropriate!
That Around the World MIDI was so groovy you had me dancing!
You make anything and everything SO interesting! No matter the subject, Tim never fails to make it entertaining, interesting, and informative. On another note, Tim you gotta do a video about Baarle-Nassau and Baarle-Hertog 🇧🇪🇳🇱….it would be the ultimate Tim Traveler video! Might make a good anniversary video or a good video to do when you hit another number of followers milestone…
"Complicated," nice 🤣👍🏻🎶
Just heard the sweeper episode about this and spat my drink out when they mentioned you!! Great video
Lol Home and Away theme song in background. How Fitting. lol
Never interested in football, but Tim has found a way.
Funnily enough, the football channel HITC Sevens referenced the bizarre French cup in their video today.
Golden Lion FC from Martinique are playing Lille in the round of 64!
I have no interest in football at any level, but I clicked on the video because I expected I would enjoy it, and would learn something. I was right on both counts :) Many thanks, Tim!
Not sure if anyone has come back to mention it but Golden Lion of Martinique made it to the last 64 where they played away at top league Lille. Lost 12-0 but must have been a pretty special occasion.
Tim, I am so glad the ending theme is the theme from Australia Channel 7's legendary soap, Home and Away. Summer Point is closer to me than France hehe. I am so glad the drama on ITV/Channel 5 is a big part of your life in UK/France oooh.
Come to think of it, your song choice is definitely intentional. First the song theme can be applied here, Home and Away. I also immediately thought of the possibilities of the winners of the British Commonwealth (e.g. New Zealand, Canada, Falkland Islands and even Australia, the home country for Home and Away) contesting the FA Cup, with costs fully borne by the FA haha.
Imagine a team from the overseas territory somehow ends up winning the French Cup, which means qualification for the European competitions.
Can you imagine a team travelling three times a year to Europe to play in the Europa League, or can you imagine a Norwegian or Polish team travelling to Tahiti or Martinique to play group matches?
You mention Norway, imagine a Tahitian team having an away day to Tromsø! If this game was too cold for them, I can't imagine how they'd feel about the Arctic circle
Brilliant vid! I must say the choice of music is top class
One of my favorite trivia of french football related to the episode is the semi final of the 1959 french cup between Sochaux and Rennes played in ... Oran !
The only UA-camr I'd happily watch a video about football.
Love your football content Tim!
Always like the inventive versions of the “Match of the Day” theme.
Tremendous watch mate
3 cheers for Pirae... Hip, hip...
Only this channel could trick me into watching and enjoying a soccer video 🤣
Loved trhe music!
Monaco is also allowed to play in the French cup, Andorra has the right to play in the Spanish cup, San Marino has it own cup and finally Liechtenstein has also its own cup
And Liechtenstein is the only UEFA member without it's own league (teams from Liechtenstein play in the Swiss league system). Since teams from Liechtenstein can't qualify for European competitions via the Swiss league only the cup winner gets to play in Europe, and they get a place in the Conference League qualification. That means the only way to see a team from Liechtenstein in the Champions League is that the cup winner wins the Conference League which gives an automatic spot to the Europa League the following season, which they need to win to secure a Champions League spot.
The case of Andorra is a bit more complex. They have their own league (2 categories) and cup, and teams have access to European championship. But additionally, there is one single club playing in Spanish leagues and not in Andorran leagues, which is FC Andorra (currently in the second division of Spain). Also in basketball and Andorran team plays in the main Spanish category.
San Marino also have a team in the italian league system. Victor San Marino plays in Serie D
I now need to see a football manager save where someone tries to win the Champions League with a team from Saint Pierre and Miquelon (assuming someone mods in the league to be playable)
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one thinking this!
Looking at that match between the club from Reunion and Paris FC of Ligue 2. Don't know how good Reunion football but like the Tahitians a trip to Paris would be awesome.
Love it when this channel does football. What a man 😂🎉🎉🎉
The home and away midi was amazing
This was excellent
AS Pirae played in the 2021 Fifa Club World Cup. Yes it was because they won the OFC Champions League by default because everyone else withdrew, and i mean literally everyone.
That was a bit of st. Misery for As Pirae.
Now I want a club from La Reunion playing in the Europa League
Lee from the video here. We actually talked about how the overseas teams could theoretically take part in a UEFA competition on the podcast - and which of them can’t. If it sounds interesting, give the episode a try :)
Tim, at some point you absolutely have to visit St. Pierre et Miquelon to cover their tiny league (and potential future national team!!!), among the other curiosities of a tiny French territory off the coast of Newfoundland
Future national team ? Euuuh non...
I read the other day that a team from New Zealand is joining Australia's domestic soccer league, which means they could travel 5 or 6 time zones regularly to play a game. But this is much more extreme!
Wellington Phoenix have been in Australia's top league since the 2007-08 season. Before them were the New Zealand Knights from 2004 to 2007, and before them were the Football Kingz (from Auckland) from 1999 to 2004 in the National Soccer League (predecessor to the A-League).
Move to France and join an amateur football team and you could win an all expenses paid trip to Tahiti.
was that the "Home and Away" theme tune to play you out lol
Great!
"Why you gotta go and make things so complicated?"
Colonialism.
"Oh. This makes the song a lot shorter, doesn't it?"
Thanks Lee 🙂
Thanks Tim 😀
Next FM save idea. Coach a team from one of the French island territories all the way to the champions league.
At the end of the video I thought the music was familiar….
Great take on an Australian soap opera theme song 😜
I was just looking at Pirae's Wikipedia, they've played in the FIFA club world cup after FC Auckland pulled out due to Covid restrictions.
"It's still on."
"It's no longer on."
womp womp.
Love it 😂 It's quirky stuff like this I really enjoy. Keep it coming
Brilliant video! Perfect choices for music as always :)
Nice to see these teams in a non-league cup. The reds would knack either of them. And I'm off to subscribe to The Sweeper.
Not sure if you'd be interested to know but this is actually in the game Football Manager too.
At next years Paris Olympics the surfing competitions will be hosted in Tahiti..
The home and away theme song at the end is distressing to hear as an Australian
In 1974 I was a schoolboy in Stourbridge (West Midlands, Not Wales). Stourbridge FC, for some reason, got to the Welsh FA Cup final. I remember the question being raised, would they get in to the cup winners cup (or whatever it was called then) if they won. I think the answer was no, they wouldn't. But they didn't win, so the question was moot.
Why not have this in the FA Cup. Falklands, Bermuda, Monserrat, etc.. I wonder if Pitcairn Island has a team?
Wouldn't the Pitcairn team (including management, coaches etc.) be the entire population of the island?
They had one, but then the players mutinied ...
@@clasqm hahaha
5:45 My French is very iffy but I don't think the coach was very happy 😳😉
I did like the translation Tim supplied. Very diplomatic.
😆😆😆
Lovely - as a non-league football supporter, I really enjoyed this.
Despite the myriad of songs Tim covers, I was never expecting to hear the theme to an Aussie soapie on a video about French football! 😅
(Aussie here - know that music well! 😅)
Half-Time, halfway through the video. Cleaver girl.
I’m not sure about this. I visited Bora Bora once and didn’t hear anything about it. Love the channel!
For the same principal, the Olympics will be held in Paris and Tahiti.
I'd be interested to know if it's theoretically possible for two Overseas Territories to meet each other in the competition, and if that ever happens, how the logistics are going to work out. I'm assuming it's going go be much more difficult for, say, a team from New Caledonia to travel to Réunion, or for both to meet up at the Stade de France for the final as unlikely as that may be?
Hi Kev - great question! Normally the overseas teams are kept apart from each other, and only drawn against clubs from the French league. Having said that, if two overseas teams keep progressing to the later rounds, then logically, they would have to meet eventually. But so far, this has never happened.
...HOWEVER! During the 2020-21 season, an exception was made to the normal rules - for reasons you can probably figure out - and three matches were held between overseas teams.
If anything, this simplified the logistics. One of the games was between the two Indian Ocean teams, while the other two were between Caribbean island teams and the representatives from French Guiana.
You can see the results here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_France_teams_in_the_main_competition_of_the_Coupe_de_France
in theory New Caledonia to Reunion is a shorter distance than New Calendonia to mainland France. If there is no direct flight probably there is connecting flights either via Australia ou UAE
@@TheTimTraveller Clubs from French overseas regions (Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guiana, Reunion and Mayotte) are part of the French Football Federation (the French "FA"). They have their own regional leagues the same way as other French regional leagues such as Normandy or New Aquitaine. Only Tahiti and New Caledonia, being more autonomous, have their own FAs independent from FFF.
I think from round of 32 (or maybe 64?) it's possible, but by rule since this stage they have to play in metropolitan territory.
ah, if only his podcasts were videos like time, id love to see them
God I love your covers. Around the world was a pleasant surprise xD
And oh my *god* the cover of 'Complicated'
HOLY SHIT, HOME AND AWAY??? TIM YOU BEAUTIFUL MAN
This channel is slowly turning into football news channel 🤔
En tant qu'homme de culture, je reconnais l'instrumentale de Keen'V - Tahiti au début de la vidéo
As always the music choices are spot on!
As Pirae played in the Club World cup in 2021 in the United Arab Emirates, losing the first round 4-1 against local champions Al-Jazira.
They still have some players who even played in the confederations cup 10 years ago, like Alvin Tehau (the guy with the yellow hair).
Most of those clubs regularly play continental tournaments, Golden Lion lost the final of the Concacaf Caribbean shield this summer. Legendary striker Kevin Parsemain plays for them, He's the all time top scorer for Martinique national team with 35 goals, two of which against the United States.
Hienghène Sport (New Caledonia) also played it in 2019, losing the first round against Xavi's Al-Sadd
Martinique doesn t have a national team...it's one of our regions.
@@Lostouille Martinique does in fact have a national team. They aren't a FIFA member though (for obvious reasons) but they do exist, they recently took part in the CONCACAF nations league A and beat Curaçao and El Salvador
They absolutely have 0 importance since it's one of our regions
@@Lostouille I mean they definitely do have importance, since they play a decent standard... do you want to shift the goalposts any further? Just admit you were wrong
I like how half time was almost nearly exactly halfway through the video
Sure nobody wouldn't volunteer for an away game in Tahiti, but how about St Pierre and Miquelon? 😳