These are the original pre-war kata of Gunto-no-soho before they were revised in 1940. Originally, there were only five kata, just as was shown, but because of observations made during the Second Sino-Japanese War, two additional kata were added, bringing a total of seven kata. In 1952, these seven kata plus an eighth kata became Toyama-ryu. Gunto-no-soho 1940 - ua-cam.com/video/cyn_LdhoF8I/v-deo.html Toyama-ryu 1952 - ua-cam.com/video/Slw7aoUrLZk/v-deo.html
@@baru6891 they’re like forms used to demonstrate different moves/techniques within your arsenal. A common misconception is that they are done to mimic actually combat which practitioners know is not true however certain kata do have contexts.
It is quite plausible. It is very likely that WW2 saw last use of katana (as gunto) in real combat. Most likely such events were so few that nothing really remarkable was noticed.
@@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 It's possible, but the Japanese were notorious for being reeally good with rifle and bayonet. Their sword was mostly a back-up weapon. Look up "the Marco Polo Bridge incident" for an example of the Da Dao in action.
There is two kinds of people. Japanese history/culture enthusiastand who know the intricacies of it's people and culture and weebs who see Japan in rose tinted glasses and think it's all samurai and "honor"@@teartime592
Both the katana (ahem~~ shin gunto for those nitpicking) and saber forms used in the war are boiled down to simple cuts and thrusts compared to their traditional counterparts. Since they had become a weapon of execution, intimidation and authority.
As mentioned by others this is showing kata and not actual sword techniques. There is an application for unsheathing and striking but it wouldn't be in battle nor could it be used if the sword was behind the shoulder of the soldier. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which a sword used in battle would not be drawn prior to the immediate need. In a self defense use (or CQC) one may need to employee the sword very quickly. As the sword is drawn by the right hand the sheath is pulled away by the left hand. Ideally the tip of the blade cuts the throat of the opponent and the sword would be ready for whatever comes next. That's more along the lines of the Western movie genre fast draw genre except the Japanese actually practiced drawing their sword quickly in hopes of making the first and only cut. The cowboy face off and fast draw is a largely the fantasy of the writers of books and movie scripts. These two links are close to what I intend to communicate; ua-cam.com/video/cplemZRbG9g/v-deo.html In this example combatants "meet in the fat middle" of the field of battle with swords drawn. In the first contact the warrior in green loses a finger as soon as the blades engage each other due to the unusual speed and skill of the other. ua-cam.com/video/TSxtR_VxCDo/v-deo.html
Are these techniques from the 1944 Gunto Soho manual? Trying to translate it and some details seem to look a little different than in this film. Especially footwork, or it may have been different variations of these techniques?
These are the original pre-war kata of Gunto-no-soho before they were revised in 1940. Originally, there were only five kata, just as was shown, but because of observations made during the Second Sino-Japanese War, two additional kata were added, bringing a total of seven kata. In 1952, these seven kata plus an eighth kata became Toyama-ryu. Gunto-no-soho 1940 - ua-cam.com/video/cyn_LdhoF8I/v-deo.html Toyama-ryu 1952 - ua-cam.com/video/Slw7aoUrLZk/v-deo.html
It is very similar to Toyama Ryu, but after talking to some other people, I found out it is called Takayama Ryu. ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/海軍高山流抜刀術?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Chiburi was **supposed** to clean off the blood but it has been proven that it really doesn't. They would have most likely had clean off the blood using a cloth most likely. (I am excluding the arm joint Chiburi, as I don't know the name, as I believe that not one would really risk cleaning a sharp blade like that.)
It’s effective for chopping off the heads of helpless civilians after some massacring and raping like they did in Nanking. Probably not that useful elsewhere.
More likely soldiers would be able to remember what to do, just not exactly and pretty like in the forms. For example like kata1, all he needs to remember when it's time to draw out the sword is to just cut upward and chop straight down, what happened after that is irrelevant because swords and bayonet are for suicidal attacks when ammo ran out
those were just exercice training like iaido, but those swords where never meant to fight in the front lines, they were officers swords, they only shoped surrendered enemys as far as i can tell
@@ducontra666999 the officer katanas were more for ranking symbols. There were actually two types of military katanas, the shorter one with a 26 and quarter inch blade and nine and quarter inch handle. This type of katana were used more often in the battlefield by the soilders and some officers. The ranking symbol katana mirrored the traditional katana in terms of length (28 and half inch blade and 10 and half inch handle). The reason for the 2and quarter inch shorter blade was to match the size of the older kyu gunto(the cutlass/katana hybrid) which the soilders and officers were actually trained to use.
@@gamer7916 That's because rifle and bayonet is more important that officer's sword. The fact officers had rudimentary sword training tells that combat use was considered. It is quite plausible that Shin gunto was used in combat as well - not just as murder weapon.
I was actually wrong, he is probably a sub-lieutenant or higher. It looks like there are two stars on his collar tabs which are blue with a single gold stripe, so that's sub-lieutenant. it turns out petty officers/NCOs didn't carry swords in the Japanese naval infantry.
austin the army certainly did hence why there was a lot of swords when you look at photos in of the Chinese and British front. The shin gunto 95 was brought to be used by NCOs as nationalism was rising.
With a military sword (gunto) it was suspended on a leather strap or metal chain from the belt with a regain hook also on the belt to lift the sword to a higher position as seen here.
hey this is pretty cool! They held this at texas?! I heard about this story once but I heard you guys during world war 2 were kidnapped by Germans and Japanese Armies saved you guys correct? In the texas point of view, what do you guys think about japan?
@@zombieexecutioner2560 I think its more of a safety mechanism, katanas could fall out their sayas if the mouth wasn’t tight enough, and in war it is more handy for a sword to have a locking mechanism
@@SoldierOfGod778your on the right track the koiguchi often opens up over time and takes a process to fix so they used a knot with their Sageo and it’s basically an evolution of that.
Looks like very ugly iaido. Number 3 is meaningless. You cannot slash after deep thrust, because the blade is in the body. Must retrieve the blade first.
Are you dumb? This is a showcase of an IJA officer using a Gunto, not a samurai who has trained his whole life. Officers had simple training in using them.
The guy is practicing for the Katana 100 tournament in Nanking.
Beheading competition
These are the original pre-war kata of Gunto-no-soho before they were revised in 1940. Originally, there were only five kata, just as was shown, but because of observations made during the Second Sino-Japanese War, two additional kata were added, bringing a total of seven kata. In 1952, these seven kata plus an eighth kata became Toyama-ryu.
Gunto-no-soho 1940 - ua-cam.com/video/cyn_LdhoF8I/v-deo.html
Toyama-ryu 1952 - ua-cam.com/video/Slw7aoUrLZk/v-deo.html
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what is kata?
@@baru6891 patterns or forms
@@baru6891 they’re like forms used to demonstrate different moves/techniques within your arsenal. A common misconception is that they are done to mimic actually combat which practitioners know is not true however certain kata do have contexts.
The gentleman in the video appears to be a bit rusty, but I like this pre-war version of the Kata.
Old american vet accidentally passed by: where is my goddamn garrand when i need it
Gramps what are you doing, gramps why are you pulling out the 1911, grandpa GRANDPA !!!
Pov, you misplaced a piece of rail road in burma
When the Pow’s don’t do what they’re told
Exactly. That's why I'm buying one.
More accurate to than you know
Somewhere on the battle field there had to be a katana vs bayonet showdown
It is quite plausible. It is very likely that WW2 saw last use of katana (as gunto) in real combat. Most likely such events were so few that nothing really remarkable was noticed.
The Chinese DaDao was specifically created to fight against the Japanese bayonet.
@@ambulocetusnatans I wonder if there was ever a sword fight between a Japanese and Chinese officer during the war
@@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 It's possible, but the Japanese were notorious for being reeally good with rifle and bayonet. Their sword was mostly a back-up weapon. Look up "the Marco Polo Bridge incident" for an example of the Da Dao in action.
Probably a US Paratrooper with a M1942 getting into a sword fight with a Japanese officer with a katana in the middle of the jungle.
Boys locker room be like
nah
it just weebs like you
@@oksobatdunguygyweeb is for anime but this is war crime enjoyer not the same thing
There is two kinds of people. Japanese history/culture enthusiastand who know the intricacies of it's people and culture and weebs who see Japan in rose tinted glasses and think it's all samurai and "honor"@@teartime592
@@teartime592they are both based
First kenjutsu kata I ever learned. I was told at the time that they were battlefield kata not designed to be pretty.
Both the katana (ahem~~ shin gunto for those nitpicking) and saber forms used in the war are boiled down to simple cuts and thrusts compared to their traditional counterparts. Since they had become a weapon of execution, intimidation and authority.
The execution of the officer was very classic seems like he was in the era of ww2.
As mentioned by others this is showing kata and not actual sword techniques. There is an application for unsheathing and striking but it wouldn't be in battle nor could it be used if the sword was behind the shoulder of the soldier. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which a sword used in battle would not be drawn prior to the immediate need. In a self defense use (or CQC) one may need to employee the sword very quickly. As the sword is drawn by the right hand the sheath is pulled away by the left hand. Ideally the tip of the blade cuts the throat of the opponent and the sword would be ready for whatever comes next. That's more along the lines of the Western movie genre fast draw genre except the Japanese actually practiced drawing their sword quickly in hopes of making the first and only cut. The cowboy face off and fast draw is a largely the fantasy of the writers of books and movie scripts.
These two links are close to what I intend to communicate;
ua-cam.com/video/cplemZRbG9g/v-deo.html
In this example combatants "meet in the fat middle" of the field of battle with swords drawn. In the first contact the warrior in green loses a finger as soon as the blades engage each other due to the unusual speed and skill of the other.
ua-cam.com/video/TSxtR_VxCDo/v-deo.html
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Are these techniques from the 1944 Gunto Soho manual? Trying to translate it and some details seem to look a little different than in this film. Especially footwork, or it may have been different variations of these techniques?
MrBilej I think they’re iaido forms as that’s what it looks like to me.
I think this is just Toyama Ryu
Sean A. Emrick Toyama Ryu was formed upon the Soho manuals.
These are the original pre-war kata of Gunto-no-soho before they were revised in 1940. Originally, there were only five kata, just as was shown, but because of observations made during the Second Sino-Japanese War, two additional kata were added, bringing a total of seven kata. In 1952, these seven kata plus an eighth kata became Toyama-ryu.
Gunto-no-soho 1940 - ua-cam.com/video/cyn_LdhoF8I/v-deo.html
Toyama-ryu 1952 - ua-cam.com/video/Slw7aoUrLZk/v-deo.html
It is very similar to Toyama Ryu, but after talking to some other people, I found out it is called Takayama Ryu. ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/海軍高山流抜刀術?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Before sleathing the sword, do they wipe off the blood??
Chiburi was **supposed** to clean off the blood but it has been proven that it really doesn't. They would have most likely had clean off the blood using a cloth most likely. (I am excluding the arm joint Chiburi, as I don't know the name, as I believe that not one would really risk cleaning a sharp blade like that.)
Samurai and Japanese soldiers would always have to carry around a good set of blade-wiping paper and oiled flannel cloths.
@@Hermit_Ronin The oil is to clean the blade if I remember correctly correct?
@@zombieexecutioner2560 The choji oil keeps the blade clean and prevents rust.
Why do you have the rising sun as your profile pic and don’t even know what chiburi is
Is that a special naval landing force uniform?
There's no way they could've been that slow and clunky with so many fleeing Chinese civilians. They had to be swift.
A lot of Japanese martial arts forms look that way.
I think flea bombs and light machine guns were more effective.
@@codylontoc8065 it's meant to be a demonstration, like a one two punch thing
@jakewolf079 I know, there's a really good reason why you don't move like you're in a fight doing kata.
Medal of Honor Pacific Assault Japanese officer It's similar to swordsmanship
nice tachi sword.
Monster Youngii it's a Shin Gunto
Monster Youngii The Shin Gunto was inspired by the Tachi
Shin Gunto is Katana blade with Tachi fitting hahaha
lol it is
@@Zetsubou1995that’s a Handachi it’s a whole rabbit whole just like longswords
Wonder what his favorite kata is, couldn't possibly be the vertical strike
"Aight"
*Pulls colt pistol*
That would have been very intimidating in battle.
a rare video of a Japanese kempeitai who practicing his terrorist move
Were these clunky techniques actually effective? Im curious because war is chaotic and these moves are very pretty and deliberate.
It’s effective for chopping off the heads of helpless civilians after some massacring and raping like they did in Nanking. Probably not that useful elsewhere.
More likely soldiers would be able to remember what to do, just not exactly and pretty like in the forms. For example like kata1, all he needs to remember when it's time to draw out the sword is to just cut upward and chop straight down, what happened after that is irrelevant because swords and bayonet are for suicidal attacks when ammo ran out
those were just exercice training like iaido, but those swords where never meant to fight in the front lines, they were officers swords, they only shoped surrendered enemys as far as i can tell
@@ducontra666999 the officer katanas were more for ranking symbols. There were actually two types of military katanas, the shorter one with a 26 and quarter inch blade and nine and quarter inch handle. This type of katana were used more often in the battlefield by the soilders and some officers. The ranking symbol katana mirrored the traditional katana in terms of length (28 and half inch blade and 10 and half inch handle). The reason for the 2and quarter inch shorter blade was to match the size of the older kyu gunto(the cutlass/katana hybrid) which the soilders and officers were actually trained to use.
@@gamer7916 That's because rifle and bayonet is more important that officer's sword. The fact officers had rudimentary sword training tells that combat use was considered. It is quite plausible that Shin gunto was used in combat as well - not just as murder weapon.
Is he dressed like an officer? as he hes an officer's sword. What rank was he dressed as?
naval petty officer 1st class
Edit: actually an officer
tnx :D
It should be noted that even NCOs carried swords in the Imperial Japanese Army.
I was actually wrong, he is probably a sub-lieutenant or higher. It looks like there are two stars on his collar tabs which are blue with a single gold stripe, so that's sub-lieutenant. it turns out petty officers/NCOs didn't carry swords in the Japanese naval infantry.
austin the army certainly did hence why there was a lot of swords when you look at photos in of the Chinese and British front. The shin gunto 95 was brought to be used by NCOs as nationalism was rising.
POV: You got caught by a Japanese officer
How were the sword wore on the waist ?
Edge down when hung from a belt, edge up when tucked into a sash.
With a military sword (gunto) it was suspended on a leather strap or metal chain from the belt with a regain hook also on the belt to lift the sword to a higher position as seen here.
@@christopherfranklin972 sometimes i see they can just rotate it in the same place
hey this is pretty cool! They held this at texas?! I heard about this story once but I heard you guys during world war 2 were kidnapped by Germans and Japanese Armies saved you guys correct? In the texas point of view, what do you guys think about japan?
Im not from texas but japanese army tradition and culture from WWII is cool but the warcrimes they commited and mass genocides were brutal af
抱歉拯救德州人的可不是什么日本军队，他们只是美国的日裔士兵，如假包换的美国战士啊😅
He is name ?
Did it work back then?
of course! on executing prisoners
Better ask american machine gunner
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@@Keevas2123
Hahahahaha
Ask the victims of nanking
looks like toyama ryu
because it is
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Why are the slashes pulled back so far?
Some styles of iaijutsu do this
I dont think they would clang the tsuba though...
A gunto has a locking mechanism in order for the blade to not be stolen. It might be that but I'm not sure
@@zombieexecutioner2560 I think its more of a safety mechanism, katanas could fall out their sayas if the mouth wasn’t tight enough, and in war it is more handy for a sword to have a locking mechanism
@@SoldierOfGod778your on the right track the koiguchi often opens up over time and takes a process to fix so they used a knot with their Sageo and it’s basically an evolution of that.
I love tachi.wakizashi
THE MODERN SAMURAI SPIRITI
Toyama ryu
Kyu Gunto during this period not the Katana.
Its called a shin gunto bud
Cool.
Youngling slayer 1000, best against infants.
That’s interesting 🧐
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in the mane of father and of the son and of the holy spirit amen
tenno heika banzai!
Huh?
Huh??
Hatei na kando! Banzai!!!💥🤺
お兄さんは 女親,お姉さんは ためよう
This is for my brother and girlfriend,sister
what
なに
@@confusedcaveman5678 This is for my Girlfriend
@@gimmetheloot9834 これの お兄さんは ためだ
@@gimmetheloot9834 Das ist für mein Schwester
I dont think my freinds are going to like these sword, Smith and Wesson
Looks like very ugly iaido. Number 3 is meaningless. You cannot slash after deep thrust, because the blade is in the body. Must retrieve the blade first.
To be fair though. Most Iaido is ugly when they find "experts" to do it. Maybe I just can't find good videos though.
Oh stfu
These were ija officers, not full samurai who had trained their whole life.
Nise Samurai me
ЯЯ, головка от патифона.
*Menacing*
Aaaaaaaaaaagggggghhhhhhhh!!
You got it all wrong, it has to come from the hara! It has to come from the diaphragm!
Its literally just basic kata. . .
it is whats different is how they wear the sword and doesnt feel warrior way.
nice pf
In case you haven’t noticed
This is a showcase of a ija officer, not a samurai.
They had little training with their Guntōs, and rarely used them.
Nah that is not the true technique. To do that you would have to do those moves on an enemy in a hospital bed.
Or a marine in hos foxhole
War is hell
@@insanitypepper1740 That' not just war, it's what the Japanese mindset was capable of...killing the helpless.
Escrima will kick ass against this
It didn’t during ww2, why would it now?
"Escrima" 😁
Sounds like someone is very biased.
Brahh stop yelling at me lol
Fucking, horrible, forms.
Are you dumb?
This is a showcase of an IJA officer using a Gunto, not a samurai who has trained his whole life.
Officers had simple training in using them.
And it looks cool anyway
But authentic
1937-1942 says otherwise!