I think in one of the videos he explained that he left because he thought that MMA was building a fourth base with the gold instead of the 3rd that we all know of which could have made him think that he was at least 30-40 supply down...that made the most sense to me of why he probably gg'ed.
It's not even that unrealistic for him to think that; MMA absolutely should have had a 3rd base already, Idra couldn't have predicted the reason he didn't. He assumed there was a mining base somewhere, and that he lost an entire mineral line because all his drones were stacked up on the gas.
idra probably seen that at his expansion his drones that were mining minerals went to gas... and he probably looked quickly and seen no drones there and thought the drop did alot more than it actually did... in fact he just had like 20 drones on one gas
that drop killed no more then three drones. the drop wasnt the main reason. Idra saw that gold expo building and he thought that was MMA's 4th base so he thought he was too far behind to save. incontrol was interviewed about this and thats what he said thumbs up so people know the reason
@aztluke I wondered the same. At MLG Providence I watched Tasteosis push that button several times when there was confusion starting the Naniwa game and the casters were put on the spot. I think it has something to do with unscheduled commercials. Like a panic button.
he actually is casting now, get ready for an MLG with: Idra: "Flash winning the game with a biomine push! However, we can clearly see that he is awful because he is not doing the broken super imba hellbat drop every single second!"
@LightBrand in the game against HuK he should have known through his scouting through how much time has went by and his past unit compositions that it was imposable for HuK to have such an army, if he just payed attention and noticed that the VR were doing 0 damage, hes a professional gamer these kind of mistakes shouldnt happen. as HD and Day[9] said he quits when ever he even thinks hes behind and that is a fact he would rather take a win anyday then try and be a smartass (watch the nony game)
@wyyclef hmm.. interesting.. but what it doesn't make sense is why then is there so many audio connections in it. (at least in this one) the tastosis one looks smaller. But still uses the audio connections. I was thinking it could be some kind of mic controller so he could mute and set the volume of his speakers, but I can't find anything on the internet like this...
Posted on Husky's vid on this by Kronk554: According to my friend, he had played MC earlier and mc said that the next time he saw idra, he was gonna kick his ass. Irda gg'ed because he wanted move to the losers bracket to face MC
No, he would have won. He left because he didn't notice the self kill and (this is the bigger one) his vespen gas was low and thus he assumed his drones had been destroyed when they were actually doing nothing.
@JeffWatersRules well when it comes to analysis day9 is at a VERY high level of play, and can determine the actual outcome of battles and drops and general builds acurately. Dj Wheat is a FUN guy who is i believe plat or diam zerg. He has done ALOT of the entire e-sports community not JUST starcraft, day9 RECENTLY has taken that approach as well forming partnerships with other games to promote esports to make the community a much larger and nicer place ^^ hope i helped cheers ^^
@MagStarcraft I disagree with the comparison to his match against Huk. During that game if I put myself in Idra's shoes, with my limited game ability after seeing those hallucinations (not knowing they are) I'd pee my pants and think I lost for sure. I mean who knew Huk had such a powerful army waiting for me outside his base ready to strike? I'd think I marched right into Huk's ambush. This game there's no way I'd think Idra thinks he lost, I'd be thinking I'm kick ass right now.
@netsquall I'm middle of platinum, I'm nowhere near IdrA in skill. I'm not eating potato chips and I'm in pretty good shape. Now lets think about this, what on earth does any of this have to do with his poor decision? This is about bad judgement and maturity.. would you ever see Select get flustered and tell someone "this is ridiculous" and quit? Would you see him quit prematurely before even examining all options? I doubt it. Yet this is becoming a trend for IdrA and u have to wonder why.
I see it now. First time i watched it, I didnt realize that he had sent all the drones into the geyser. i thought he killed all the drones with the drop.
It shocks me that some people dont know who DJ Wheat is, he is the Day9-equivalent of e-sports movement. People here watch Day9 Dailies but not Live on Three/Kings of Tin/Inside the Game/Weapon of Choice? People who claim to watch SC2 have only just begun! I remember watching wheat back when he worked for EG
@DarkKnight2k6 What? 2011 MLG Orlando Champion Huk (Canada). 2011 MLG Providence 2nd place Naniwa (Sweden), the top 8 was half non-korean. I could write a much longer list but I'm so sure you don't pay attention to competitive starcraft that it's not worth me writing.
i would so ticked as MMA thinkin that idra is just too full of himself, like "am i not worth being finished off?" then i would yell expletives or something like that, but otherwise good play from both of them
@LightBrand That's the stupidest reason I have ever heard. This is not a silver league ladder game with nothing on the line. This is the Winners semi-final of one of the biggest SC2 tournaments in the world. To think that he gave a player a free win when there's so much money on the line is so fanboy-esque its unbelievable As far as the GG goes, a lot of people think Idra believed that gold base was MMA's 4th, not 3rd. Equal bases vs a Terran MULEing a gold? Bad times for a Zerg
Even though he missed it, he should've kept playing. Even if it looked like a loss, comebacks aren't rare and quitting is a shitty thing to do to the audience and your sponsors.
@misanthropiclusion I'm saying Idra quitting during his match with Huk was justified because he got faked out by the Hallucination. Here in this match what did he get faked out by? I'm saying I would have forfeited the match with Huk as well not sure about you, but I would not have quit this one unless it was for an insult.
@Jaryism what's funny about that statement is you're sitting in a chair eating potato chips and probably play in silver maybe gold league where as Idra is rank 1 grandmaster and has played thousands upon thousands of games, he got rushed hard by MMA because MMA boxed basically all of his units and sent them to attack, it was a total all-in on MMA's part and Idra didn't know it was an all-in so he left simple as that
@Konyak0 actually he does. It's a prestigious tournament. He feels obliged to do so in most of those games regardless of what he thinks. HuK is just annoying to him.
@LightBrand No i disagree it was IdrA being IdrA he GG'ed Preemptively again with out seeing the final outcome he did the same thing in dalas against HuK and he'll do the same thing again if he cant get a grip on his nerves. Also he knows he fucked up and he regrets this one and the one Vs Huk.
What, you guys never left a game, giving your opponent the win after dominating him/her so hard that you felt bad for winning? This isn't humiliating for Idra, this is humiliating for MMA knowing Idra thought so low of him as someone so not worth his time to keep playing but rather just quit and move on to a better opponent. Yes that's an offensive GG. It means "have this win, you need it more than I do."
embarrassing that a pro gamer would emotionally quit that hastily without even taking a minute to explore any other advantage or analyze the situation in a "major" tournament. Again.
@LightBrand umm idra most of the time is a rage quiter and it was a freaking tournament , u don't masaccre him and then u leave aah u need this win more MMA was shiting his pants trying to kill the mutas and to distract idra he sent like 2 tiny drops and then idra snaped
Lots of money is one the line in these tournaments though. It's not different than real sports to be honest. The only difference is anyone can do well in a videogame. No matter how much you practice running, you'll never become the world champion in it. In videogames, you can. Still, when any tournament is giving a pot of over 50k, it's a real sport then.
Bumbleness Supreme Brady Woah, that's not true for physical sports except running. Sure some people are blessed with bodies to be able to run faster. But in sports like soccer experience and tactics come into play. A 'real' sport as you call it doesn't rely completely on one's physical attributes.
Morrille Nagy I'm late to the party but no, games are not about biology. It's about practice. The shittiest player can be made a strong one if someone mentors them. The problem is, most people refuse to put in the time and effort to become a strong player. The people who do well in fighting games are people who put their heart and soul into it. Unfortunately, in real sports that can only be applicable to a few, some sports are biology vs. biology, with no amount of skill actually giving you an advantage. For example, being a skillful at playing basketball can make up for being a short player, however being a 5'6 guy running against Bolt will ALWAYS lead to you losing. He is simply built to run fast. Being tall and fast. For example, even when Lance Armstrong wasn't doping, he had a clear biological advantage over his peers because his body doesn't produce lactic acid which allows him to go at 100 percent longer than his rivals. The only biological advantage a person can have in a fighting game is making a good call and being able to react to things quicker. Unfortunately, that often doesn't translate well to fighting games. There's too much going on and a lot to dull your senses during a match, and a lot of risks that are needed to be taken that can quickly backfire.
![Real funny showmatch Day[9] vs DjWheat](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/85pfjnLDwzU/mqdefault.jpg)
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"I am absolutely speechless."
He says after two minutes and twenty seconds of solid ranting =P I love Day[9] XD
This was more interesting than the actual game.
"This attack is gonna great for Idra, would expect a gg from Idra any moment now!"
Lol that's day 9 in the next game I think
Well Idra is quite entertaining Ill give him that
Day[9] "I'm absolutely speechless" - HE JUST GAVE OUT A 40 PAGE ESSAY.
"why gg, not understand" - MMA
yup, that's idrA for ya, wow
Feeling nostalgic
I think in one of the videos he explained that he left because he thought that MMA was building a fourth base with the gold instead of the 3rd that we all know of which could have made him think that he was at least 30-40 supply down...that made the most sense to me of why he probably gg'ed.
It's not even that unrealistic for him to think that; MMA absolutely should have had a 3rd base already, Idra couldn't have predicted the reason he didn't. He assumed there was a mining base somewhere, and that he lost an entire mineral line because all his drones were stacked up on the gas.
it always bugs me that so many pros gg after they get just a little bit behind. this is a good lesson for others. fight to the end.
I think it was a preemptive gg from idra but normally you surrender after you type gg, so he surrendered out of habit maybe?
that would be even worse :D
idra probably seen that at his expansion his drones that were mining minerals went to gas... and he probably looked quickly and seen no drones there and thought the drop did alot more than it actually did... in fact he just had like 20 drones on one gas
yes ffs how is this not clear to everyone
that drop killed no more then three drones.
the drop wasnt the main reason. Idra saw that gold expo building and he thought that was MMA's 4th base so he thought he was too far behind to save.
incontrol was interviewed about this and thats what he said
thumbs up so people know the reason
-day9 goes on a rant about idra and the ragequit. then says he's speechless...love how marcus was the one who was actually speechless.
@aztluke I wondered the same. At MLG Providence I watched Tasteosis push that button several times when there was confusion starting the Naniwa game and the casters were put on the spot. I think it has something to do with unscheduled commercials. Like a panic button.
Yes and a blazer can be part of a suit. At least based on restaurant dress codes and I suppose those are ok to go by.
he actually is casting now, get ready for an MLG with:
Idra: "Flash winning the game with a biomine push! However, we can clearly see that he is awful because he is not doing the broken super imba hellbat drop every single second!"
@LightBrand in the game against HuK he should have known through his scouting through how much time has went by and his past unit compositions that it was imposable for HuK to have such an army, if he just payed attention and noticed that the VR were doing 0 damage, hes a professional gamer these kind of mistakes shouldnt happen. as HD and Day[9] said he quits when ever he even thinks hes behind and that is a fact he would rather take a win anyday then try and be a smartass (watch the nony game)
@wyyclef hmm.. interesting.. but what it doesn't make sense is why then is there so many audio connections in it. (at least in this one) the tastosis one looks smaller. But still uses the audio connections. I was thinking it could be some kind of mic controller so he could mute and set the volume of his speakers, but I can't find anything on the internet like this...
Posted on Husky's vid on this by Kronk554: According to my friend, he had played MC earlier and mc said that the next time he saw idra, he was gonna kick his ass. Irda gg'ed because he wanted move to the losers bracket to face MC
2:17 Day9 says he's speechless after he spoke 2 minutes non stop lol
No, he would have won. He left because he didn't notice the self kill and (this is the bigger one) his vespen gas was low and thus he assumed his drones had been destroyed when they were actually doing nothing.
@JeffWatersRules well when it comes to analysis day9 is at a VERY high level of play, and can determine the actual outcome of battles and drops and general builds acurately. Dj Wheat is a FUN guy who is i believe plat or diam zerg. He has done ALOT of the entire e-sports community not JUST starcraft, day9 RECENTLY has taken that approach as well forming partnerships with other games to promote esports to make the community a much larger and nicer place ^^ hope i helped cheers ^^
@halfbakedc00kie Yeah its called "The Story of MLG" and its on Day9's channel its towards the end but the whole video is hilarious
@MagStarcraft I disagree with the comparison to his match against Huk.
During that game if I put myself in Idra's shoes, with my limited game ability after seeing those hallucinations (not knowing they are) I'd pee my pants and think I lost for sure. I mean who knew Huk had such a powerful army waiting for me outside his base ready to strike? I'd think I marched right into Huk's ambush.
This game there's no way I'd think Idra thinks he lost, I'd be thinking I'm kick ass right now.
Am I the only one who laughed when they saw the ad for hot pockets in the background?
@netsquall I'm middle of platinum, I'm nowhere near IdrA in skill. I'm not eating potato chips and I'm in pretty good shape. Now lets think about this, what on earth does any of this have to do with his poor decision? This is about bad judgement and maturity.. would you ever see Select get flustered and tell someone "this is ridiculous" and quit? Would you see him quit prematurely before even examining all options? I doubt it. Yet this is becoming a trend for IdrA and u have to wonder why.
no, the orbital command was infested and he was at risk of infested terrans suiciding into his tank lines; a risk he could not take.
I see it now. First time i watched it, I didnt realize that he had sent all the drones into the geyser. i thought he killed all the drones with the drop.
It shocks me that some people dont know who DJ Wheat is, he is the Day9-equivalent of e-sports movement. People here watch Day9 Dailies but not Live on Three/Kings of Tin/Inside the Game/Weapon of Choice? People who claim to watch SC2 have only just begun! I remember watching wheat back when he worked for EG
@DarkKnight2k6 What? 2011 MLG Orlando Champion Huk (Canada). 2011 MLG Providence 2nd place Naniwa (Sweden), the top 8 was half non-korean. I could write a much longer list but I'm so sure you don't pay attention to competitive starcraft that it's not worth me writing.
@ctsincebay yes but idra had 16 mutas on the field and could have brought that scv number count down very quickly considering MMA had few marines
"...but IdrA continues to deliver, tournament and tournament again" lol
who the hell if the guy at the left? he wasnt talking and they should have hired someone that could follow with day9
i would so ticked as MMA thinkin that idra is just too full of himself, like "am i not worth being finished off?" then i would yell expletives
or something like that, but otherwise good play from both of them
3:39 the way he turn at the camera and says " with limited success" lmao
he was not talking because he was disappointed and upset about idra
@MrFunnyPeete He did leave the scene he announced his retirement.
lol...did anyone else come here thinking they would see someone rage quit a UFC fight
@ctsincebay that depend of the number of mules, a mule is worth 4 drones
@LightBrand That's the stupidest reason I have ever heard. This is not a silver league ladder game with nothing on the line. This is the Winners semi-final of one of the biggest SC2 tournaments in the world. To think that he gave a player a free win when there's so much money on the line is so fanboy-esque its unbelievable
As far as the GG goes, a lot of people think Idra believed that gold base was MMA's 4th, not 3rd. Equal bases vs a Terran MULEing a gold? Bad times for a Zerg
Idra played Brood War professionally. He had a very successful Brood War career.
I should destroy my own CC vs zerg more often I guess....
After MMA asked IdrA why he GG'd, did MMA say "fuck off" ?
Day9 talks a lot. So poor Wheat can't get a word in. :'(
WOW someone video tape Idra playing black ops.
Man Day 9 coments xD Is try is try hard to undestand was goint on in Hydras head, and only found more confusion ! GG!
he didn't leave, he was fired
Even though he missed it, he should've kept playing. Even if it looked like a loss, comebacks aren't rare and quitting is a shitty thing to do to the audience and your sponsors.
yes, but maybe the comment wasnt about this particular video but IdrA in general
@misanthropiclusion I'm saying Idra quitting during his match with Huk was justified because he got faked out by the Hallucination.
Here in this match what did he get faked out by? I'm saying I would have forfeited the match with Huk as well not sure about you, but I would not have quit this one unless it was for an insult.
does anyone know what is that little orangeish box with those audio connectors ?! What does it do ?!
@JeffWatersRules he's the ying to the yang bro there'd be chaos if there was such a thing as a 2nd day9
@Jaryism what's funny about that statement is you're sitting in a chair eating potato chips and probably play in silver maybe gold league where as Idra is rank 1 grandmaster and has played thousands upon thousands of games, he got rushed hard by MMA because MMA boxed basically all of his units and sent them to attack, it was a total all-in on MMA's part and Idra didn't know it was an all-in so he left simple as that
3:20 just love that part :D so wtf moment
@JeffWatersRules It's impossible to outtalk Day9. That's why he is quiet:P
Invite Idra to your Friday Poker Night!!! AND WIN ALL THE MONEY!!!
@Konyak0 actually he does. It's a prestigious tournament. He feels obliged to do so in most of those games regardless of what he thinks. HuK is just annoying to him.
anyone else notice how jeffwatersrules always has the top comment on all SC2 videos?
Day9: I'm just at a total loss for words. ::continues talking for 3 more minutes::
does anybody know what number the daily was where Day9 talks about this and MMA's funny reaction?
Who is this seccond guy? he just sits there..
I think they were trolling each other
If I was a pro Starcraft 2 player, I would troll IdrA out of the butthole in every game I played against him.
@LightBrand No i disagree it was IdrA being IdrA he GG'ed Preemptively again with out seeing the final outcome he did the same thing in dalas against HuK and he'll do the same thing again if he cant get a grip on his nerves. Also he knows he fucked up and he regrets this one and the one Vs Huk.
I know there have been Starcraft players who manage to snatch defeat right between the jaws of victory but not that way.
Lol dragon's saying never give up existed back with MMA
Yea, this definitely wasn't a ragequit. Idra honestly thought he was on the losing end with no way of winning. Idra doesn't gg when he ragequits.
IDRA=I Do Rage Alot makes sense to me
Day 9 just pretends the other guy doesnt exist lol
@musicaddicted777 THAT made no sense.
why did mma destroy his own command center?
Just noticed idea got fired on my birthday
Idra found this video
Nobody keeps Idra from losing. Except of course idra
i think idra really need to take a leak at that time
Djwheat is so mega pissed lol
@Stevek1m23 test bug i think....its not in the map pool
What, you guys never left a game, giving your opponent the win after dominating him/her so hard that you felt bad for winning?
This isn't humiliating for Idra, this is humiliating for MMA knowing Idra thought so low of him as someone so not worth his time to keep playing but rather just quit and move on to a better opponent.
Yes that's an offensive GG. It means "have this win, you need it more than I do."
Good thing day9 knows his shit, if he didn't, that speech he made would have made him look a bit dumb lol
embarrassing that a pro gamer would emotionally quit that hastily without even taking a minute to explore any other advantage or analyze the situation in a "major" tournament. Again.
pro gaming means pro gaming show up looking pro :)
Did IdrA win this series? Because this is like...betting against yourself territory. Illegal as hell.
Mma did actually
He saw the high yield under construction, assuming that MMA already had a third base up top and concluded that he was too far behind
sounds like a fix to me...
but here he did
@LightBrand umm idra most of the time is a rage quiter
and it was a freaking tournament , u don't masaccre him and then u leave aah u need this win more
MMA was shiting his pants trying to kill the mutas and to distract idra he sent like 2 tiny drops and then idra snaped
suits are awesome.
obviously he gg'd so that there would be more games, idra always wants to practice
I m gonna destroy my own CC when i m losing
@Bullman85 Huh? I dont get it..
ohhhh, that sucks!!! thx for explaining to me :D
Not something you'd expect a pro SC2 player to miss lol :P
@Bullman85 actually hold 9
i cannot believe just a game
Lots of money is one the line in these tournaments though. It's not different than real sports to be honest. The only difference is anyone can do well in a videogame. No matter how much you practice running, you'll never become the world champion in it. In videogames, you can.
Still, when any tournament is giving a pot of over 50k, it's a real sport then.
Bumbleness Supreme Brady
Woah, that's not true for physical sports except running. Sure some people are blessed with bodies to be able to run faster. But in sports like soccer experience and tactics come into play. A 'real' sport as you call it doesn't rely completely on one's physical attributes.
Keyeszx48 Biology is all that matters for sports.
clifford brown So are all sports. Physical or electronic don't matter.
Morrille Nagy I'm late to the party but no, games are not about biology. It's about practice. The shittiest player can be made a strong one if someone mentors them. The problem is, most people refuse to put in the time and effort to become a strong player. The people who do well in fighting games are people who put their heart and soul into it. Unfortunately, in real sports that can only be applicable to a few, some sports are biology vs. biology, with no amount of skill actually giving you an advantage.
For example, being a skillful at playing basketball can make up for being a short player, however being a 5'6 guy running against Bolt will ALWAYS lead to you losing. He is simply built to run fast. Being tall and fast.
For example, even when Lance Armstrong wasn't doping, he had a clear biological advantage over his peers because his body doesn't produce lactic acid which allows him to go at 100 percent longer than his rivals.
The only biological advantage a person can have in a fighting game is making a good call and being able to react to things quicker.
Unfortunately, that often doesn't translate well to fighting games. There's too much going on and a lot to dull your senses during a match, and a lot of risks that are needed to be taken that can quickly backfire.
IdrA is why i watch starcraft
@JeffWatersRules huhu....
queen
Is it just me or is it just not convincing at al to talk about SC in a suit?
Its a BLAZER
Love it XD
what is it that you dont understand?