CEOkiller That's Don's Real Name. When he was in The War, his Commanding Officer The "Real" Don Draper Died. "Dick" didn't want to be known by his Real Name so he committed Identity Theft.
+RobertKaydoo you mean it's wrong to drink on the job, smoke like a chimney, cheat on your wife, bang anything that moves including clients, secretaries, and anything with a uterus?
I've watched this series twice through and yet, rewatching this scene, when Don says "why didn't you come to us?" seems like a valid question in isolation. When you watch the series through, though, you see how Lane's anxiety and fears led to this moment. Fantastic writing.
@@justahumanwithamask4089 If he needed money so bad, he should've just came to him...but it's as if he's too proud and prideful...or embarrassed..to ask for a loan.
@@justahumanwithamask4089 Exactly. People take loans out from their bosses and business partners everyday and they pay them back. He could've asked Don to loan him some money and he would've been able to pay him back around Easter...but he decided to do it the dishonest way and forge his name behind his back.
it's also a surprisingly conservative political commentary on tax policy in the 60s In post-Reagan tax world of today, Lane's dilemma never would have happened as money invested is tax deductible, and Lane would have been able to write off that $5000 he owed from the money he invested in SCDP
@drew powers Draper was a kid when he made the choice to take another man's identity. Lane was a grown man who made a choice as an adult to forge another man's signature. You really don't see the clear difference here? Really???
+TheGoldcountry That in part is because well, people like Lane put honor above everything and it would make him look weak to ask for a loan, even if Don and Roger would be perfectly happy to front the money.
I don't see any honor at all in stealing from your friends, lying about it, and then putting someone else's name on your own fucking lie! All I see there is dishonor.
Kendra Marybeth Davenport I'm sorry but I don't see any honor in stealing money and forging your boss' signature. It would've been far more honorable for Lane to swallow his pride and simply ask for the money.
mrkrab and lewis you guys are missing the point. Embezzlement of any kind is certainly dishonorable but the vexing irony here is that Don himself has not only committed innumerable fraud but he's been given chances. For an old british man to cry for mercy like that, his depression and fragility are clear and Don must've, if not for the acknowledgement of his own wrongdoings, given him a chance on the grounds of morality alone.
we saw his dead body too....and it was so sad and poignant how they all pushed the door open and cut him down. who cut him down again? i forget i will have to rewatch
If it was Pete Campbell committing fraud who knew Don's secret identity, Don wouldn't even say anything. Don would just say "Alright, go home and we'll forget about this."
notice how Lane goes through the 5 stages of grief in exactly the right order -Denial -Anger -Bargaining -Depression -Acceptance Mad Men. The best show on earth
Hatt Hanz this was an amazing pickup. I pass it off as my own regularly, today I was talking about this scene and I said I stole that from someone much smarter than me on UA-cam, I should thank him. So thanks!
“I’ve started over… this is the worst part” How undeniably true that is. The hardest part is when it all hits you, but rebuilding and finding your feet again brings with it great happiness and relief.
Ehhh... Not nearly always. Alot of people aren't up to the task. They get stuck in the denial phase and never move on. Sad because you can end up in this situation so easily these days even if you're a paragon of integrity and dedication.
Such a heartbreaking scene. I didn't think much of Lane early on, but by this point he had become one of my favorite characters. I especially thought his feelings for Joan by this point were touching and heartfelt, and it was devastating to watch his downfall.
He was a born simp. In England his own company used him like a slave. He manages to succeed and climb a little when they send him to New York. Then they were going to transfer him to Bombay, demote him, and he was ready to go like a good little boy. Joan literally friendzoned him despite his "goodness", always trying to help her, and always respecting her. She literally humiliated him when he made his simp feelings known to her.... while she slept her way to the top first with rich Roger, and any rich guy she could find like the Dr, and even pr0stituted herself to that Jaguar car guy to make partner. They make her partner, while he gets fired for a few thousand dollars, when he literally help save them all and helped them start their new company. And as many have said Don literally stole a dead mans identity. And even when he comm1ts suicide, he writes a meek little respectful resignation letter.
What happened to Lane was one of the truly bitter pills in the series. There was absolutely no coming back from this, and it was probably a cigarette burn on Don's soul for the rest of this life.
reimuslocke Well Don paid expecting father Campbell's 50k when all the partners had to reinvest in the company. Don had just been chewed out by Cooper that he can't just run around while "the adults are left to run the business." So he felt pressure to prove how adult he was, and stood his ground against Pryce. Pryce was always sort of a tragic character.
We should remember how Pete tried to blackmail Don in the first season and it didn't work out. Remember Bert saying "One never know how loyalty us born?" And Pete remained loyal to Don ever since. So remained Don to Bert.
Yeah I could definitely see Lane being completely loyal to Don if he had forgiven him just as he forgave Pete. Shows how inconsistent Don is with his own values.
Mad men taught me just be handsome, rich, and confident and you can basically do whatever the hell you want with as many second chances as you want and people will still love you and root for you.
It’s white male privilege. My late great husband was a nicer version of this guy so yeah not everyone lives like that. Good looking white guys in power have the world on a plate
The series takes place primarily during the 60s, and in that time $7500 amounts to about $50,000-$65,000 in today's money. It all depends on the year of course. Suddenly what Lane did sounds much, much worse. Edit: Im going to leave my original comment up, but I think you may actually be referencing another show that involves the same actor(s). If thats the case, then nvm.
Yeah. He actually been opened by me as one of the solid professionals after this scene. Way before chernobyl. I always remember him as the guy that was so brilliant at the madmen.
I've always felt that Don could have forgiven Lane here. Not because it was the right thing to do, but because he would have earned his loyalty for life.
He would have been the only realy loyal person in his life, not because the others are bad but because Don's actions always leads to people abandoning him
nah. you'd have to sleep with one eye open the rest of the time with Lane around. That's not gonna be the very last of his financial 'troubles'. Lane's gonna stay silently ~entitled~ (if not a little self-humiliated) the rest of his time there, and then the next time it'd be "shame on Don" instead).
@@Hop754 no, not absolutely. there's a tiny fraction of 'em with backbone & manly rearing, but the poor little dummies are in "his majesty's service"; hopelessly unavailable to better their nation's image by serving in the United States, a staggeringly-superior country.
True but in a way because Don is a fraud he is much more understanding when it comes to Lane. He can't give him a pass though that would invite too much scrutiny and damage, but he does what he can to reassure him.
I feel so sad for Lane. The way his father treated him in a previous episode shows the tough education he had to suffer, the mental and physical abuse, how "honor" was beyond everything. I actually think he barely felt free in his entire existance. He tried, but in the end he didn't have a happy life.
Yes. I also think Lane's wife later clarifies Lane's reaction to this a bit more. She tells Don something like "How could you do that? What were you thinking, filling a man like that with ambition?" She knew Lane was sensitive and prone to feelings of tremendous shame as a result of his upbringing compared to men of the era. But Don did not see that because Lane was always a proper gent with his colleagues. In a way none of the men in the company act like themselves among each other. They all had manly-man masks on all the time.
***** A nice idea in the absract but I don't think a one time pass was ever an option. As Don says "I'm sorry, I can't trust you" - he would always be expecting Lane to repeat offend.
+gogilesgo Exactly. Business partnerships are complex, and require very firm rules, as any individual failing can create a domino effect. If Lane (who is in charge of the books) starts asking for cash advances, not only does it prompt others to ask for them in times of need, it also puts his handling of the books in doubt, as he would be presumed to be more likely to dip in, and may reveal a major problem, as he would have to be in some financial difficulty he hasn't disclosed to the partnership previously that he was required to.
+Kendra Marybeth Davenport like quite a few posters I think if Lane had just come straight out and asked for a short term loan (to Don privately or to the board officially) he would have got one. His reasoning at 2:38 is pretty convincing
+gogilesgo I did say elsewhere, though, that British businessmen like Lane generally put honor and reputation above everything else, at least, that's how I think they were in the 1960s. As I said elsewhere, it's because of that (plus maybe fear of his abusive father) that Lane felt it was essential to what little self-worth he had left that he maintain the image of a steadfast earner and provider. I think that's why he couldn't ask for a loan even though Don and Roger would certainly have fronted the money: he would have to live in the shadow of appearing even weaker, on top of stirring up questions about whether he was the best guy to handle finances.
+Kendra Marybeth Davenport Ha, I had forgotten about Lane's father. Didn't he slap Lane flat palmed across the face at one point? In company as I recall. Very humilating
This was an epic scene, masterfully played by Hamm, who was unbending, and Jared Harris, who had to face that even begging for mercy wouldn't overcome what he had done. Immortal.
PLEASE RECONSIDAH. I'm surprised people thought Don was unbending, he was in the right to report Lane for embezzlement but covered for him. Bert would've bitten his head off when he asked him about it. All that said I was upset that he had to leave us. His goofing around with bad monster movies with Don episode is one of my favourites
Sad that production had to cut back on $ per episode and the producers devised this crappy way to save budget $ by killing off an interesting character : (
Considering how Don Draper's stole a person's identity. He has to do this in order to give the impression he doesn't believe in "seizing opps" deceitfully.
Probably my all time favorite MM scene. I'm fascinated with the cold brutality of the moment; the way it laces elements of compassion and empathy from Don yet balances the justice he feels compelled to have to do...as much as it clearly pains him. Watchingthis scene never EVER gets old.
@C Bro you are only as good as the material you have been given. Mad Men has been one of the only good things Jon Hamm has ever participated. You work with what they give you. I've seen Hamm in an episode of Black Mirror last year and he was great in that too. He just must have a terrible agent.
@@joesimon2018 When he found out and became close to her, he bought her a house and provided for her until she died. That's probably several times the money he could've gotten from the veteran benefits for the few years it took her to find him after the war.
@@joesimon2018 Well, Lane was their head of finances and knowingly embezzled money after forging Don's signature. While it is a sad situation all around, Don did the most generous and compassionate thing he could think of by letting Lane resign and burying the scandal. Had a client found out, the agency would have been out of business, which involved probably +100 people's jobs. The other partners finding out would realistically mean legal action as well. In either case Lane would have been blacklisted in the industry at best or arrested, at worst. Don couldn't have known what Lane was about to do... and even if we know Don to be a fraud, his crime wasn't the point of this situation. He was doing what anyone in his position would have done--the fact that he is personally fond of Lane is the whole reason he never even considers legal action.
Yeah buddy, we've all read the original comment you're plagiarizing in an attempt to replicate its success and praise (you just copied word by word a much older comment in this same video that also pointed out Lane had gone through the 5 emotional stages of loss).
I have seen nightmare situations, where people get laid off or fired at trade shows, on vacation or when they are on an extended sick leave. For anyone who has ever been let go or laid off, this is actually quite civil. Firstly, he delivers the bad news IN PERSON, not by email, Fed Ex or a phone call from a secretary (of course this is 70-80 years ago). It is direct, not passive aggressive and done by the manager/boss, not an assistant. Don Draper actually has words of advice to offer. Instead of Don putting his head down and faking like he has to go back to work, after the bad news, he stands shakes his hand.
those "grief stages" are among the most irritating bullshit factoids people love to repeat like parrots. psychology doesn't recognize it as a proven concept, there is no fixed one-size-fits-all pattern for going through grievance (or it hasn't been found at least), and even in this little scene Lane doesn't exactly follow the sequence, as he actually erupts with real anger AFTER "bargaining"
@jonathanbirch2022 : It can only if you let it. Retired now but during my working career I learned to take the promise of God to take care of me and family and trust Him. I learned the hard way about trusting my future to a corporation or company. I worked for a defense contractor been there for about 6 years. Was called into the office on a Monday morning..the supervisor said,," don't bring a lunch on Wednesday you won't be here long enough to eat it, you and a few hundred more will be escorted out the main gate. Two day notice, the office geeks got 30 day notice. I found two things that I needed.. '" But my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus " Philippians 4:19 KJV and " For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. " II Thessalonians 3:10 KJV. I started in construction years ago. In a new building, when the lights come on and the toilets start flushing your out of there. Unless your company has work lined up, you cannot sit by the phone and wait on them to call especially having financial responsibilities. In and out of work became a life style . Four years of night school, basic electrical theory while working days gave more security but nothing was guaranteed as Industrial Electrician. Finally got into electrical maintenance and test technician, better still knowing you have a place to go work but no matter who you work for or where you work or even if you own your business you had better learn to trust HIM. Pushed out of my rental home, vehicle repossessed, like many others I've lived through it all, a busted marriage didn't help. But through it all I learned, if you are trying your best, really trying far removed from any drugs and stupidity then there is nothing more you can do. The absolute worst thing is to worry or have fear of the future, no you take life one day at a time, one hour at a time. " Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace who's mind is stayed on thee, because he trusteth in thee. " Isaiah 26:3 . Jesus talking.... "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. " John 14:27 . I'm not to let my heart be troubled or afraid. You must discern who/ what you listen to especially media, if you listen to much of the world it will rob you of your peace and calm and over time can even affect immune system and health. Worry is a disease of the mind and is NOT from GOD. " I sought the Lord and HE heard me and delivered me from all my fears. " Psalm 34:4 " For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. " II Timothy 1:7 .
Lane has a point. "I took away nothing while you lined your pockets from PP&L". He just should have made that point to Don or the other partners before he made the fatal decision to forge/embezzle. He was just too proud and pigheaded to see the honorable solution to his predicament.
He never realized the truth, in business or in life, no one owes you anything. You have to bargain for what you get. You have to mean more to others than being a willing sacrificial lamb, otherwise you're expendable.
@@tph2010 I think he means he took alot of the credit for other people's work (peggy) and took the lions share of the money. While Lane really didn't get anything, I think he wasn't even a partner after all of that.
"You'll tell them it didn't work out- because it didn't. You'll tell them the next thing will be better- because it always is." -- That's Don Draper summed up. Except it's not true.
Draper/Whitman is the epitome of "Falling Up", hence the opening sequence - no matter how badly he fucks up (scaring the shit out of & infruiating the McCann-Erickson corporate brass) he consistenly lands in a position to snach victory from the jaws of defeat (that utterly fucking cynical coke commercial that everyone misreads as authenticity). He's the Energizer Bunny of White Male Privilidge crossed with the saying "You stare at that liability long enough, you can turn it into an asset."
One of my favorite scenes in the series. Great acting. Draper has high moral standards in business, not in his personal life. That’s part of the reason he has been so successful in business and not in his personal life.
@@neoasura I think we can forgive him on this one, he was drunk as hell at the time! By the way, that conference room scene is also one of my favorites Mad Men moments!
@@neoasura Trying to apply this kind of moral standard in Mad Men is like trying to figure out who's the kindest character in a spaghetti western. Don's personal life was a mess, but he was always solid in business, even when he did what he did.
What?! He is constantly unprofessional, lying, and breaking rules. Here are just some examples I can think of: 1. Sleeps with coworkers. 2. Drinks on the job to excess. 3. Sleeps during work hours. 4. Skips work to see movies. 5. Wrote a newspaper article unilaterally bashing tobacco companies which were their largest potential customers. This alone could have been a law suit from the other partners saying he damaged the firm without any permission and demanded his resignation. 6. He committed identity fraud and also fraud in terms of his qualifications. 7. Sleeps with multiple clients which is a huge conflict of interest. 8. He accepts gifts of significant value from clients. Overall Don always immediately wants heads to roll when it's not him but when it is him he expects mercy. Joan was right to vote against him.
The range of emotions that Jared Harris portrayed in this iconic scene is amazing. Even after knowing there was no point trying to negotiate, he still looks up at Don (at 4:03) with one last pleading look on his face, which quickly fades away when he sees how resolute Don is.
Ironic that Don Draper would chastise and judge him like that for his dishonesty, when in fact Don Draper's character's whole existence is a lie. A forgery of someone's else's identity.
+Mark Lee Perhaps Maybe because Don knew the toll it takes on a person, so it was necessary for him to chastise and judge Lane like he did. He didn't want someone else repeating his mistakes, least of all for money.
He's far more guilty for what happened to Adam when he abandoned him in a bad time and they were brothers. With Lane, he tried to go easy on him for embezzlement since they were friends, but even going easy was too hard for Lane. He gives the quote about starting over, but he doesn't realise that most people aren't like him and Lane kills himself.
A lot of people missed the bigger issue of what Lane did, that believe Don was in the wrong here. It wasn't just about the '13 Day Loan'. He ran up their credit line $50,000, lied about that and said they were profits, so he could distribute Christmas Bonuses to everyone to provide cover for his 'loan'. Had that gone according to plan, he would have axed a major growing company's access to future credit, possibly put it in financial peril, and ran up their debt $50,000 with no breathing room, since it may have been well after the money was spent by everyone before it was caught had Bert not found the cancelled check. Which in today's money adjusts to almost $375,000....or a metric fuckton That's jailable shit, regardless of how much Lane was in reality a good man. Don certainly isn't one to judge. But there's no way you can compare literally anything Don did in his personal life, to the type of highly illegal business fraud Lane did here, that could have sunk literally everyone. He got off lucky, even if he didn't see it that way, and killed himself.
Don got a pass for almost everything wrong he had done in his life up until that point, but he had the nerve to fire Lane over the lack of trust. Even Bert had to opportunity to fire Don once, when they found out his name and identity was a fraud, he let him go. It's just hypocritical to say the least. I doubt that 50,000 would have crippled the company, it may have put a dent in their budget for a short time, but a few weeks after they got some pretty good accounts which more than made up for it, so chances are they would have simply gone through it. Hell Don buys Joan a 5,600 dollar car like it's nothing. I doubt 50k would destroy the company, that's barely one of the partners salaries, and by the time he wrote the check, Don had already cancelled giving out the bonuses, so all that was taken out was 7,500 which again was completely fine, and was pretty much owed to Lane, since he is the reason they even began the company. What should have happened was a slap on the wrist, and Don opening up to Lane and telling him to trust him and not do things behind his back. But Don, being the ass hole that he is, just threw him out in a sense, basically nobody get's second chances but him.
Don literally stole a man's entire identity and deserted from the military. That is FAR worse than anything Lane did. In addition to the adultery and costing of his company a metric ton of money from his bone-headed egotistical decisions and we see why Don had NO leg to stand on when firing Lane. Don is a true scumbag, he just has charm which is why people forgive him. He's one of the WORST characters I've watched on television.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Christ I hate Don. An absolute wanker. Land literally took the risk of a lifetime to help all of them yet Don just acted like he wasn't an absolute scumbag himself
I think Lane Pryce's pride killed him. He could've just asked Don for the money. He knew Don had been generous in the past, giving Pete money when he needed it.
Lootroq It was a lot more than "pride". He was heavily in debt, because of the company, and living beyond his means (private school, nice house, etc). It was the classic Brit conundrum of having status (everyone else at his position was living similarly) but without enough money to sustain it.
Veer G Yes, but his money problems could've been solved, or at least eased somewhat, had he swallowed his pride and sought help from his partners, his wife, anyone really. Nothing wrong with getting help when you're in trouble. Something Don learned in the finale last night.
Good Clip I don't know if Don learnt anything, but it's hard to watch this scene again and not realize that Don was talking about himself ("it's a relief, this is the hardest part"). Lane of course didn't feel any of those things.
been in the NYC Advertising industry myself I found this such a great show! so good that after watching a couple of episodes I went to my local music store and purchased the whole DVD collection. Now I watch it at least once a year.
Profound line: "I've started over a lot... This is the worst part". Just having to start over, "a lot", is indeed a blessing in hardship. Self-sabotage is real. Great scene for both characters.
Simon Cowell started "over" many times. A Boy Band he created flopped as well as a Girl Group. Then he became the Judge on Pop Idol, then did American Idol now The X Factor Franchise.
This scene is so powerful and painful to watch at the same time. When I was 12 I stole $100 from my Grandpa and when I was confronted with what I had done I was so embarrassed and ashamed.
@@speedking7224 So true. A lot of people will have a failing of character and righteousness in life. Its how we handle ourselves when we are found out that defines the deeper aspects of our character.
@@speedking7224 Absolutely, I was about 13 when I stole money from my uncle thinking I wouldn't be caught or nobody would cared, but once I was confronted, I broke down and cried on the spot and gave it back. Which is ironic, because after that every family member thought I was a thief for years, never leaving me alone inside their houses, but it was that same uncle that forgave me first and trusted me again to be in his home alone. It shaped me up.
Guilt and shame are very powerful tools, that's how we learn never to do wrong again. Feeling that shame is actually a good thing even if it hurts. The hurt is a part or the learning process. You know who doesn't feel shame? Psychopaths...
"Why suffer the humiliation for a 13-day loan?" And there it is. The source of all of Lane's problems: the fear of humiliation and the need to fit in and maintain status. Speaks to the culture he was raised in, really. And his bastard of a father. Truly tragic character.
That's the IRONY--i.e. Don is paranoid about anyone forging his signature, because it might blow his cover, that he's FURIOUS about it: i.e. "the guilty flee, where no man pursueth." Just like when he sent his brother Adam away, for the same reason-- and he ends up hanging himself as well. The other irony is that Don threatens to take it to Bert Cooper, who had already ignored Don's stealing the real Lt. Draper's identity; and so he obviously wouldn't care about Lane just borrowing some money that was only a fraction of what he had in the company.
Prior to Mad Men I had never heard of Jared Harris. After Chernobyl I would put him up against his co-star Stellan Skarsgard as a truly great actor. His inflection here when he says "please reconsider" and the range of emotions he conveys with just his voice is just brilliant.
I had a job for about two years where my job was literally to fire people. It was one of the hardest times in my life. I relive it every time I see this scene.
Man, I miss this series. Yeah, I have the entire series on DVD, but as good as it is to revisit it’s never the same as seeing a new episode for the first time.
Lane's journey was so sad. I could see things were hurtling towards something bad but I hoped after the first suicide attempt failed he might turn things around. After all, this show didn't kill off a lot of characters. When his widow even says it was wrong to fill a "man like that" with ambition, you see she never respected him and you get the sense of the humiliated spirit he carried in all aspects of his life. One of the most tragic MM characters.
"The next thing will be better, because it always is". Very true if you have Don's looks confidence and charm and have successfully convinced yourself that the world out there is there for the taking. As for the the other 99.9999% of us - not so much.
"I'll cover the money you took" "Because $7,500 is nothing to you...Do you know how the rest of us live?" Can I just file that last sentence under Big Mad Men Questions, right up there with "Who is Don Draper?"
Yep. Bert had the opportunity to fire Don over fraud, but didn’t because he knew Don would be loyal to him (and in turn Pete would be loyal to Don if they buried the hatchet). But Don was so scared of being found out that he continued to make the people around him pay for his own deception.
Lol Jared Harris acted circles around him in this scene. Jon hamm is a c level actor and always has been. There’s a reason he’s never done anything relevant outside this show
This scene captures the all of the possible emotions being fired evokes. The “oh shit” of being caught or exposed, the anger or indignation at hypocrisy, the desperate urge to explain yourself or fix things, and the simultaneously freeing and dreadful feeling of accepting the situation.
man, that line about relief is so true. First real job, I knew I was out the door for a week before I was let go. When they flagged me down at the end of the day Friday, I was happy- after a week being a dead man walking, I was relieved to finally get it over with. It helped that I didn't like that place in the first place
5 Stages of Grief: Denial - "I won't sit here and bear this interrogation" Anger - "It was my money" Bargaining - "I will make good by Easter" Depression- "What will I tell my Wife?" Acceptance- A handshake, but Lane never really accepts the loss of his job
This scene is so masterfully written, I like many in the comments have also pointed fingers at Don in this siltation asking how dare could he be such a hypocrite about forging a signature when he himself has stolen another mans entire identity so by nature he is committing a crime every single time he writes the name Don Draper. You can also be very quick to blame Don for Lanes suicide that follows this, but in the end I think what ultimately killed Lane was his own pride. It was his pride that stopped him in asking for help when he needed it, it was his pride that made him think embezzlement was a better option and finally it was his pride that thought death was more noble than appearing weak. What is so painful about this is that this is what many of us in real life could also resort to if we were put under similar conditions, pride really does kill us and like Lane that feeling of being made less than in our earlier life can define us if we aren't careful. It wasn't about resigning from a job and finding a new one in his eyes he had also failed his family and their entire view of him, he would rather die as someone viewed as a success in superficial terms than to live as an imperfect fallible human being.
Jared Harris is such a fantastic actor. I’ve only seen clips of Mad Men. Still, I first became aware of his work in Fringe playing the character of David Robert Jones and have since seen him in Sherlock Holmes as Moriarty, Lincoln as General Grant, and of course, Chernobyl playing Valery Legasov. Truly, Jared Harris is one of the best character actors working today.
Jared is a great actor. But the real credit here should go to Hamm. Draper is just such a sack of cr*p throughout the series, yet he plays the character in a way that keeps the audience going along. It is close to what Cranston pulled off in Breaking Bad, .. though I genuinely feel like Draper is a worse character.
Fucking astonishing acting from Jared Harris in this scene. More raw than we've ever seen him on the show. He would've handily won the Emmy had Aaron Paul also not been nominated.
Incredible scene. I was thinking about this for days after I watched thinking about how hard Don screwed over Lane here. It's sad because I think if Don knew what Lane would do he wouldn't have fired him. Lane's character breaks my heart because he was made to look so pathetic but he did a lot. He worked his way up the corporate ladder and was able to establish his own firm but he'd rather die than face his father
I started watching this on Netflix and I have been Deeply saddened for Lane. I feel so truly sorry for him, it breaks my heart what happened to him in the end 💔 Jared Harris is a phenomenal actor ❤️
"I've started over a lot, this is the worst part." That is a powerful statement. How can you start a new life when you've messed-up so badly? It's soothing to remember Don Draper's words here. It's hard to see how right now, but it *will* get better.
You have to look at the irony of this scene. Don commits fraud everytime he signs 'Don Draper' on anything.
never thought about that good point
Who the hell is Dick Whitmann?
And....
735,328 counts of forgery...
CEOkiller That's Don's Real Name. When he was in The War, his Commanding Officer The "Real" Don Draper Died. "Dick" didn't want to be known by his Real Name so he committed Identity Theft.
everytime he signs 'Don Draper' on anything.
we all do dont we
I hope Lane doesn't do anything drastic.
+johnnytastetest What's he gonna do?? It's not like he's gonna kill himself or anything..
+Hyperion ...you ruined it.
johnnytastetest Funny!
Hyperion sad yet I'm laughing!!
Hahahahahahahaah
Don sure has high standards...for everyone except himself.
+RobertKaydoo you mean it's wrong to drink on the job, smoke like a chimney, cheat on your wife, bang anything that moves including clients, secretaries, and anything with a uterus?
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Something like that.
+RobertKaydoo Don did many things, but he never stole money from anyone... Heck he even took care of the real Don's widow.
Ben Indeed Lane could have handled the situation differently.
RobertKaydoo swallow your pride and ask for a loan. at some point everyone has done it.
Don: "Think of an elegant exit." Lane: "Alright. I'll try not to hang around much longer."
oh.. fuck...
Lane to Don: "Thanks for cutting me down, old boy"
Too soon
One if not the saddest moments in this show for me. I really liked Pryce. He had a rough run and an even rougher end.
LMAOO
I've watched this series twice through and yet, rewatching this scene, when Don says "why didn't you come to us?" seems like a valid question in isolation. When you watch the series through, though, you see how Lane's anxiety and fears led to this moment. Fantastic writing.
It really is a valid question. I mean Lane knew that Don paid Pete's collateral, he was the one who told him
@@justahumanwithamask4089 If he needed money so bad, he should've just came to him...but it's as if he's too proud and prideful...or embarrassed..to ask for a loan.
@@American-Zero Probably but lane was a businessman and taking loans are sometimes part of running a business. Lane should've understood that
@@justahumanwithamask4089 Exactly. People take loans out from their bosses and business partners everyday and they pay them back. He could've asked Don to loan him some money and he would've been able to pay him back around Easter...but he decided to do it the dishonest way and forge his name behind his back.
it's also a surprisingly conservative political commentary on tax policy in the 60s
In post-Reagan tax world of today, Lane's dilemma never would have happened as money invested is tax deductible, and Lane would have been able to write off that $5000 he owed from the money he invested in SCDP
"Listen Lane, I'm already committing fraud on this guy Don Draper. We can't have two guys working the same corpse"
Well put my friend
LMAOOOOOO
Brilliant
@drew powers Draper was a kid when he made the choice to take another man's identity. Lane was a grown man who made a choice as an adult to forge another man's signature. You really don't see the clear difference here? Really???
@@simplylivesimply4612 I believe he was old enough to kill men in war...so no...I don't
Don liked Lane. He didn't realize how depressed Lane was, financially and mentally.
+TheGoldcountry That in part is because well, people like Lane put honor above everything and it would make him look weak to ask for a loan, even if Don and Roger would be perfectly happy to front the money.
He didn't want to see it. I think the look of desperation on Lane's face is clear.
I don't see any honor at all in stealing from your friends, lying about it, and then putting someone else's name on your own fucking lie! All I see there is dishonor.
Kendra Marybeth Davenport I'm sorry but I don't see any honor in stealing money and forging your boss' signature. It would've been far more honorable for Lane to swallow his pride and simply ask for the money.
mrkrab and lewis you guys are missing the point. Embezzlement of any kind is certainly dishonorable but the vexing irony here is that Don himself has not only committed innumerable fraud but he's been given chances. For an old british man to cry for mercy like that, his depression and fragility are clear and Don must've, if not for the acknowledgement of his own wrongdoings, given him a chance on the grounds of morality alone.
Probably the saddest episode of the whole series
I thought his brothers' suicide was more so. .
Jesus yes, Adam's suicide was absolutley heart breaking
virgil starkwell oh... yes that was sad but ... remember we watched a couple seasons with Lane and got to know him and then he just went...
we saw his dead body too....and it was so sad and poignant how they all pushed the door open and cut him down. who cut him down again? i forget i will have to rewatch
Pete with some scissors
"Don Draper" : _"You forged my signature!"_
The real Don Draper : _"Your signature?"_
The real don draper: ⚰️
If it was Pete Campbell committing fraud who knew Don's secret identity, Don wouldn't even say anything. Don would just say "Alright, go home and we'll forget about this."
Hypocrisy at its core.
That is witty, for several reasons
Don draper isn't a good person
@@b.o.4469 Good person? He's a son of a bitch.
The message is "don't get caught"
I bet he is a Democrat.
notice how Lane goes through the 5 stages of grief in exactly the right order
-Denial
-Anger
-Bargaining
-Depression
-Acceptance
Mad Men. The best show on earth
Hatt Hanz this was an amazing pickup. I pass it off as my own regularly, today I was talking about this scene and I said I stole that from someone much smarter than me on UA-cam, I should thank him. So thanks!
I'm not sure he ever reached acceptance
Peter Peirce he did. He accepted that he messed up his life for good and that nothing would make it better. So he took his life.
Best show on Earth? Lol
j yes, the best show on earth.
What a well acted scene, Jared Harris is such a good actor. The emotional swings in this scene are just amazing to watch.
Mike Foote son of Richard Harris
@@Dog.soldier1950 good acting stock then.He is very good in this scene.....
I agree. It’s great they cast him in Chernobyl. Master of his craft.
And that's how an RBMK reactor explodes.
all the good we did
RBMK reactors dont explode! You are delusional!
@@dogguy8603 He's only throwing up, i've seen worse
Take him to the infirmary
I was on the toilet.
"I feel a bit lightheaded."
"The Cherenkov effect. Totally normal phenomenon."
"Not great, not terrible."
“I’ve started over… this is the worst part”
How undeniably true that is. The hardest part is when it all hits you, but rebuilding and finding your feet again brings with it great happiness and relief.
I think he would've been happier had he started over instead of opting out. He still had skills, he could've built himself up with a new life.
Unless you hang yourself from a door.
Unless you just commit suicide like Lane did.
Crazily and sadly enough I actually read that first as "rebranding and finding your feet again."
Ehhh... Not nearly always. Alot of people aren't up to the task. They get stuck in the denial phase and never move on. Sad because you can end up in this situation so easily these days even if you're a paragon of integrity and dedication.
Such a heartbreaking scene. I didn't think much of Lane early on, but by this point he had become one of my favorite characters. I especially thought his feelings for Joan by this point were touching and heartfelt, and it was devastating to watch his downfall.
Scott MacKeen I was thinking the same thing, he’d become vulnerable
They filled him out and gave him dimension. Weren't most of characters sympathetic as time went on?
He was a born simp. In England his own company used him like a slave. He manages to succeed and climb a little when they send him to New York. Then they were going to transfer him to Bombay, demote him, and he was ready to go like a good little boy. Joan literally friendzoned him despite his "goodness", always trying to help her, and always respecting her. She literally humiliated him when he made his simp feelings known to her.... while she slept her way to the top first with rich Roger, and any rich guy she could find like the Dr, and even pr0stituted herself to that Jaguar car guy to make partner. They make her partner, while he gets fired for a few thousand dollars, when he literally help save them all and helped them start their new company. And as many have said Don literally stole a dead mans identity. And even when he comm1ts suicide, he writes a meek little respectful resignation letter.
What happened to Lane was one of the truly bitter pills in the series. There was absolutely no coming back from this, and it was probably a cigarette burn on Don's soul for the rest of this life.
@@JesusPerez-iw3eylmao you sound like an incel
Had Lane simply went to Don or Roger and asked for a loan they would have given it to him most likely.
How can you be so sure in that? It's probably unlikely they would have.
I think Don would have at least, Roger may be not.
reimuslocke Well Don paid expecting father Campbell's 50k when all the partners had to reinvest in the company. Don had just been chewed out by Cooper that he can't just run around while "the adults are left to run the business." So he felt pressure to prove how adult he was, and stood his ground against Pryce. Pryce was always sort of a tragic character.
Actually Pete blew his chance at blackmail by running right to Cooper to tell him about Don almost immediately after finding out about him.
Keith Kevelson Yeah I forgot about that.
Frank Underwood would have forgiven Lane Pryce and in turn had his loyalty from there on.
Frank Underwood is a fictional character.
We should remember how Pete tried to blackmail Don in the first season and it didn't work out. Remember Bert saying "One never know how loyalty us born?" And Pete remained loyal to Don ever since. So remained Don to Bert.
Mike Stevenson Is Don Draper not?
Yeah I could definitely see Lane being completely loyal to Don if he had forgiven him just as he forgave Pete. Shows how inconsistent Don is with his own values.
Actually Bert convinced Don to forgive Pete.
Lane: "I feel a bit lightheaded"
Don: "Thats relief"
Me: "Nope, that's the triple bourbon you just downed"
Canadian
Mad men taught me just be handsome, rich, and confident and you can basically do whatever the hell you want with as many second chances as you want and people will still love you and root for you.
And white lol
And have a drinking problem
You needed a TV show to learn that?
@@DarkBykeTwitch This show was on air when I was a teenager so yea, didn't know much about life then.
It’s white male privilege. My late great husband was a nicer version of this guy so yeah not everyone lives like that.
Good looking white guys in power have the world on a plate
-How much money did you embezzeled?
- 7500 dollars
- Well thats not great, but not horrifying
TheJaviferrol haha nice.
The series takes place primarily during the 60s, and in that time $7500 amounts to about $50,000-$65,000 in today's money. It all depends on the year of course. Suddenly what Lane did sounds much, much worse.
Edit: Im going to leave my original comment up, but I think you may actually be referencing another show that involves the same actor(s). If thats the case, then nvm.
Beleaguered Beluga although you are probably right, I believe TheJaviferrol was making a reference to HBOs Chernobyl.
@@beleagueredbeluga5228 Yes. At least 13 people got the joke :p
More like 400 chest x rays
Jared Harris should have won an Emmy for this scene alone. He goes through the 5 stages of death/mourning in four minutes (denial, bargaining, etc.)
Jared is one of the greatest character actors of his generation.
Laughs in Breaking Bad
Yeah. He actually been opened by me as one of the solid professionals after this scene. Way before chernobyl. I always remember him as the guy that was so brilliant at the madmen.
I liked him in Mr. Deeds. 😅
Moriarity. He crushes that role.
I've always felt that Don could have forgiven Lane here. Not because it was the right thing to do, but because he would have earned his loyalty for life.
He would have been the only realy loyal person in his life, not because the others are bad but because Don's actions always leads to people abandoning him
nah. you'd have to sleep with one eye open the rest of the time with Lane around. That's not gonna be the very last of his financial 'troubles'.
Lane's gonna stay silently ~entitled~ (if not a little self-humiliated)
the rest of his time there, and then the next time it'd be "shame on Don" instead).
Lane is a british. Can’t count on them, ever, period. 😅
@@Hop754 no, not absolutely. there's a tiny fraction of 'em with backbone & manly rearing, but the poor little dummies are in "his majesty's service"; hopelessly unavailable to better their nation's image by serving in the United States, a staggeringly-superior country.
If Don had let Lane off the hook, Don would have been on the hook himself if Lane did it again. He would have breached his duty to the firm.
It’s a good thing we have such an honest man of integrity like Don Draper. Such a paragon of honesty and integrity whatever would we do without him
lol
Hahahahaha💩💩💩💩
the ultimate boy scout troop leader
Oh, so Don should just allow people to steal from the company because, Dick Whitman.
True but in a way because Don is a fraud he is much more understanding when it comes to Lane. He can't give him a pass though that would invite too much scrutiny and damage, but he does what he can to reassure him.
I feel so sad for Lane. The way his father treated him in a previous episode shows the tough education he had to suffer, the mental and physical abuse, how "honor" was beyond everything. I actually think he barely felt free in his entire existance. He tried, but in the end he didn't have a happy life.
Yes. I also think Lane's wife later clarifies Lane's reaction to this a bit more. She tells Don something like "How could you do that? What were you thinking, filling a man like that with ambition?" She knew Lane was sensitive and prone to feelings of tremendous shame as a result of his upbringing compared to men of the era. But Don did not see that because Lane was always a proper gent with his colleagues. In a way none of the men in the company act like themselves among each other. They all had manly-man masks on all the time.
As a new father, when Lane says 'what will I tell my son?' it just kills me.
***** A nice idea in the absract but I don't think a one time pass was ever an option. As Don says "I'm sorry, I can't trust you" - he would always be expecting Lane to repeat offend.
+gogilesgo Exactly. Business partnerships are complex, and require very firm rules, as any individual failing can create a domino effect. If Lane (who is in charge of the books) starts asking for cash advances, not only does it prompt others to ask for them in times of need, it also puts his handling of the books in doubt, as he would be presumed to be more likely to dip in, and may reveal a major problem, as he would have to be in some financial difficulty he hasn't disclosed to the partnership previously that he was required to.
+Kendra Marybeth Davenport like quite a few posters I think if Lane had just come straight out and asked for a short term loan (to Don privately or to the board officially) he would have got one. His reasoning at 2:38 is pretty convincing
+gogilesgo I did say elsewhere, though, that British businessmen like Lane generally put honor and reputation above everything else, at least, that's how I think they were in the 1960s. As I said elsewhere, it's because of that (plus maybe fear of his abusive father) that Lane felt it was essential to what little self-worth he had left that he maintain the image of a steadfast earner and provider. I think that's why he couldn't ask for a loan even though Don and Roger would certainly have fronted the money: he would have to live in the shadow of appearing even weaker, on top of stirring up questions about whether he was the best guy to handle finances.
+Kendra Marybeth Davenport Ha, I had forgotten about Lane's father. Didn't he slap Lane flat palmed across the face at one point? In company as I recall. Very humilating
3:47 _"Think of an elegant exit"_
Yeah. Good advice Don. That ended well.
Don’t leave me hanging. What happened?
@@briantuma1502 Cruel, but sharp. :D
JAJJAJAAJAJ yo that was a cliffhanger...
@@briantuma1502 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@briantuma1502 I see what you did there
This was an epic scene, masterfully played by Hamm, who was unbending, and Jared Harris, who had to face that even begging for mercy wouldn't overcome what he had done. Immortal.
Jared Harris is a fantastic actor.......he was great in Benjamin Button
Unbending, yet compassionate. A rare combination.
PLEASE RECONSIDAH. I'm surprised people thought Don was unbending, he was in the right to report Lane for embezzlement but covered for him. Bert would've bitten his head off when he asked him about it. All that said I was upset that he had to leave us. His goofing around with bad monster movies with Don episode is one of my favourites
Sad that production had to cut back on $ per episode and the producers devised this crappy way to save budget $ by killing off an interesting character
: (
Considering how Don Draper's stole a person's identity. He has to do this in order to give the impression he doesn't believe in "seizing opps" deceitfully.
“I feel a bit light headed”
“That’s relief”
Don, always selling something
Probably my all time favorite MM scene. I'm fascinated with the cold brutality of the moment; the way it laces elements of compassion and empathy from Don yet balances the justice he feels compelled to have to do...as much as it clearly pains him. Watchingthis scene never EVER gets old.
2 outstanding actors. But Jared Harris steals the scene.
+Eliot Cloud He _embezzled_ the scene.
He started acting a little drunker after that chug. Very underrated
You are absolutely correct, what a solid job on his part.
@C Bro you are only as good as the material you have been given. Mad Men has been one of the only good things Jon Hamm has ever participated. You work with what they give you. I've seen Hamm in an episode of Black Mirror last year and he was great in that too. He just must have a terrible agent.
Atrocious affected British accent. Apparently there were two hamms in the room.
He stole the whiskey glass
SeaJayBelfast And stared in his face like "What the fuck are you going to do about it?"
Fuckin' Lane! God dam fuckin' thief!
lol
Retirement gift.
He embezzled it.
The guy cashing Don Draper's veterans benefits give a lecture on how you shouldn't steal.
Not to say that Don isn't a massive hypocrit here, but he probably gave those to Anna
@@cdrksn The whole time? He didn't even,know,he had a wife for a while
@@joesimon2018 When he found out and became close to her, he bought her a house and provided for her until she died. That's probably several times the money he could've gotten from the veteran benefits for the few years it took her to find him after the war.
@@afonsosousa2684 Did he offer Lane the same chance to make good after the fact by paying the stolen money back like Don did to Anna?
@@joesimon2018 Well, Lane was their head of finances and knowingly embezzled money after forging Don's signature. While it is a sad situation all around, Don did the most generous and compassionate thing he could think of by letting Lane resign and burying the scandal. Had a client found out, the agency would have been out of business, which involved probably +100 people's jobs. The other partners finding out would realistically mean legal action as well. In either case Lane would have been blacklisted in the industry at best or arrested, at worst. Don couldn't have known what Lane was about to do... and even if we know Don to be a fraud, his crime wasn't the point of this situation. He was doing what anyone in his position would have done--the fact that he is personally fond of Lane is the whole reason he never even considers legal action.
This is perfect, Lane goes through every stage of grief in order.
denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.
Good catch
Yeah buddy, we've all read the original comment you're plagiarizing in an attempt to replicate its success and praise (you just copied word by word a much older comment in this same video that also pointed out Lane had gone through the 5 emotional stages of loss).
I have seen nightmare situations, where people get laid off or fired at trade shows, on vacation or when they are on an extended sick leave. For anyone who has ever been let go or laid off, this is actually quite civil. Firstly, he delivers the bad news IN PERSON, not by email, Fed Ex or a phone call from a secretary (of course this is 70-80 years ago). It is direct, not passive aggressive and done by the manager/boss, not an assistant. Don Draper actually has words of advice to offer. Instead of Don putting his head down and faking like he has to go back to work, after the bad news, he stands shakes his hand.
those "grief stages" are among the most irritating bullshit factoids people love to repeat like parrots.
psychology doesn't recognize it as a proven concept, there is no fixed one-size-fits-all pattern for going through grievance (or it hasn't been found at least), and even in this little scene Lane doesn't exactly follow the sequence, as he actually erupts with real anger AFTER "bargaining"
@jonathanbirch2022 : It can only if you let it. Retired now but during my working career I learned to take the promise of God to take care of me and family and trust Him. I learned the hard way about trusting my future to a corporation or company. I worked for a defense contractor been there for about 6 years. Was called into the office on a Monday morning..the supervisor said,," don't bring a lunch on Wednesday you won't be here long enough to eat it, you and a few hundred more will be escorted out the main gate. Two day notice, the office geeks got 30 day notice. I found two things that I needed.. '" But my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus " Philippians 4:19 KJV and " For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. " II Thessalonians 3:10 KJV. I started in construction years ago. In a new building, when the lights come on and the toilets start flushing your out of there. Unless your company has work lined up, you cannot sit by the phone and wait on them to call especially having financial responsibilities. In and out of work became a life style . Four years of night school, basic electrical theory while working days gave more security but nothing was guaranteed as Industrial Electrician. Finally got into electrical maintenance and test technician, better still knowing you have a place to go work but no matter who you work for or where you work or even if you own your business you had better learn to trust HIM. Pushed out of my rental home, vehicle repossessed, like many others I've lived through it all, a busted marriage didn't help. But through it all I learned, if you are trying your best, really trying far removed from any drugs and stupidity then there is nothing more you can do. The absolute worst thing is to worry or have fear of the future, no you take life one day at a time, one hour at a time. " Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace who's mind is stayed on thee, because he trusteth in thee. " Isaiah 26:3 . Jesus talking....
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. " John 14:27 . I'm not to let my heart be troubled or afraid. You must discern who/ what you listen to especially media, if you listen to much of the world it will rob you of your peace and calm and over time can even affect immune system and health. Worry is a disease of the mind and is NOT from GOD. " I sought the Lord and HE heard me and delivered me from all my fears. " Psalm 34:4
" For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. " II Timothy 1:7 .
This is one of the best scenes in the entire series. A masterclass in acting, especially from Jared Harris.
Acting is pretty easy. Dont put these people on a pedestal
@@ufonomicon LMAO if so you're doubtless getting paid what they are to do it. Do you have any idea how many hundreds don't make the cut at audition?
Lane has a point. "I took away nothing while you lined your pockets from PP&L". He just should have made that point to Don or the other partners before he made the fatal decision to forge/embezzle. He was just too proud and pigheaded to see the honorable solution to his predicament.
He never realized the truth, in business or in life, no one owes you anything. You have to bargain for what you get. You have to mean more to others than being a willing sacrificial lamb, otherwise you're expendable.
That's damn good advice.
What exactly did he mean by "you lined your pockets from PP&L?"
@@tph2010
I think he means he took alot of the credit for other people's work (peggy) and took the lions share of the money. While Lane really didn't get anything, I think he wasn't even a partner after all of that.
@@tph2010 PP&L refers to pee-pee and liquor.
Acting is superb in this scene.
"You'll tell them it didn't work out- because it didn't. You'll tell them the next thing will be better- because it always is." -- That's Don Draper summed up. Except it's not true.
Things get progressively better for Don over the series
Draper/Whitman is the epitome of "Falling Up", hence the opening sequence - no matter how badly he fucks up (scaring the shit out of & infruiating the
McCann-Erickson corporate brass) he consistenly lands in a position to snach victory from the jaws of defeat (that utterly fucking cynical coke commercial that everyone misreads as authenticity).
He's the Energizer Bunny of White Male Privilidge crossed with the saying "You stare at that liability long enough, you can turn it into an asset."
@@morganbeare1764
White Male Privilege, the fuck, does this show regularly attract Antifa stooges?
It can be if you have the will and make it so.And dont just give up,sadly many do.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Parasites cant help themselves, and they project.
One of my favorite scenes in the series. Great acting. Draper has high moral standards in business, not in his personal life. That’s part of the reason he has been so successful in business and not in his personal life.
Yeah, until he steals an idea from one of the younger creatives out of desperation and takes the credit.
@@neoasura I think we can forgive him on this one, he was drunk as hell at the time! By the way, that conference room scene is also one of my favorites Mad Men moments!
@@neoasura Trying to apply this kind of moral standard in Mad Men is like trying to figure out who's the kindest character in a spaghetti western. Don's personal life was a mess, but he was always solid in business, even when he did what he did.
He delivers the bad news like a man, not by a letter, or phone call from an assistant.
What?!
He is constantly unprofessional, lying, and breaking rules.
Here are just some examples I can think of:
1. Sleeps with coworkers.
2. Drinks on the job to excess.
3. Sleeps during work hours.
4. Skips work to see movies.
5. Wrote a newspaper article unilaterally bashing tobacco companies which were their largest potential customers. This alone could have been a law suit from the other partners saying he damaged the firm without any permission and demanded his resignation.
6. He committed identity fraud and also fraud in terms of his qualifications.
7. Sleeps with multiple clients which is a huge conflict of interest.
8. He accepts gifts of significant value from clients.
Overall Don always immediately wants heads to roll when it's not him but when it is him he expects mercy. Joan was right to vote against him.
The range of emotions that Jared Harris portrayed in this iconic scene is amazing. Even after knowing there was no point trying to negotiate, he still looks up at Don (at 4:03) with one last pleading look on his face, which quickly fades away when he sees how resolute Don is.
Have you seen him in The Expanse? Hard to even believe it's the same actor.
@@Bapuji42 Yes of course. Anderson Dawes. He was also incredible in the miniseries Chernobyl. Top tier actor.
Ironic that Don Draper would chastise and judge him like that for his dishonesty, when in fact Don Draper's character's whole existence is a lie. A forgery of someone's else's identity.
+Mark Lee Perhaps Maybe because Don knew the toll it takes on a person, so it was necessary for him to chastise and judge Lane like he did. He didn't want someone else repeating his mistakes, least of all for money.
MLA Dick Whitman is a dick
That's kind of the point. Everyone looks out for themselves when it comes down to it.
To me, it's a lesson on how everyone cherry-picks their moral code.
+Bill Milano Also we tend to judge others the harshest on failings we see in ourselves.
Gosh that look Lane gives Don at the end gets me every time. This is the last time you are ever going to see this man.
Jared Harris is such an incredible actor! Everyone on this show just showed they have amazing acting chops. Greatest tv show ever made!
Don killed 2 people when THEY REALLY NEEDED HELP
His brother Adam
And Lane Pryce
:(
And both in the same way.
He knows it too
He's far more guilty for what happened to Adam when he abandoned him in a bad time and they were brothers. With Lane, he tried to go easy on him for embezzlement since they were friends, but even going easy was too hard for Lane. He gives the quote about starting over, but he doesn't realise that most people aren't like him and Lane kills himself.
@@micahclawrence Sadly I feel he never bears the full weight of it.
He killed Anna Draper, Rachel Menken, and Betty Draper too- LOL
Chilling how Don says, take an elegant exit....
A lot of people missed the bigger issue of what Lane did, that believe Don was in the wrong here. It wasn't just about the '13 Day Loan'. He ran up their credit line $50,000, lied about that and said they were profits, so he could distribute Christmas Bonuses to everyone to provide cover for his 'loan'. Had that gone according to plan, he would have axed a major growing company's access to future credit, possibly put it in financial peril, and ran up their debt $50,000 with no breathing room, since it may have been well after the money was spent by everyone before it was caught had Bert not found the cancelled check. Which in today's money adjusts to almost $375,000....or a metric fuckton
That's jailable shit, regardless of how much Lane was in reality a good man. Don certainly isn't one to judge. But there's no way you can compare literally anything Don did in his personal life, to the type of highly illegal business fraud Lane did here, that could have sunk literally everyone. He got off lucky, even if he didn't see it that way, and killed himself.
And like Don says, what if the clients found out? The firm would be ruined.
Don got a pass for almost everything wrong he had done in his life up until that point, but he had the nerve to fire Lane over the lack of trust. Even Bert had to opportunity to fire Don once, when they found out his name and identity was a fraud, he let him go. It's just hypocritical to say the least. I doubt that 50,000 would have crippled the company, it may have put a dent in their budget for a short time, but a few weeks after they got some pretty good accounts which more than made up for it, so chances are they would have simply gone through it. Hell Don buys Joan a 5,600 dollar car like it's nothing. I doubt 50k would destroy the company, that's barely one of the partners salaries, and by the time he wrote the check, Don had already cancelled giving out the bonuses, so all that was taken out was 7,500 which again was completely fine, and was pretty much owed to Lane, since he is the reason they even began the company. What should have happened was a slap on the wrist, and Don opening up to Lane and telling him to trust him and not do things behind his back. But Don, being the ass hole that he is, just threw him out in a sense, basically nobody get's second chances but him.
Don literally stole a man's entire identity and deserted from the military. That is FAR worse than anything Lane did. In addition to the adultery and costing of his company a metric ton of money from his bone-headed egotistical decisions and we see why Don had NO leg to stand on when firing Lane. Don is a true scumbag, he just has charm which is why people forgive him. He's one of the WORST characters I've watched on television.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Christ I hate Don. An absolute wanker. Land literally took the risk of a lifetime to help all of them yet Don just acted like he wasn't an absolute scumbag himself
@@TheQuatum Oh you're right about Don being terrible. But nothing he did could have sunk an entire business.
rename the video, "Don kills Lane Pryce"
I think Lane Pryce's pride killed him. He could've just asked Don for the money. He knew Don had been generous in the past, giving Pete money when he needed it.
Good Clip Lane's pride absolutely killed him. It's what got him in his situation and also why committed suicide.
Lootroq It was a lot more than "pride". He was heavily in debt, because of the company, and living beyond his means (private school, nice house, etc). It was the classic Brit conundrum of having status (everyone else at his position was living similarly) but without enough money to sustain it.
Veer G Yes, but his money problems could've been solved, or at least eased somewhat, had he swallowed his pride and sought help from his partners, his wife, anyone really. Nothing wrong with getting help when you're in trouble. Something Don learned in the finale last night.
Good Clip I don't know if Don learnt anything, but it's hard to watch this scene again and not realize that Don was talking about himself ("it's a relief, this is the hardest part"). Lane of course didn't feel any of those things.
been in the NYC Advertising industry myself I found this such a great show! so good that after watching a couple of episodes I went to my local music store and purchased the whole DVD collection. Now I watch it at least once a year.
Profound line: "I've started over a lot... This is the worst part". Just having to start over, "a lot", is indeed a blessing in hardship. Self-sabotage is real. Great scene for both characters.
Simon Cowell started "over" many times. A Boy Band he created flopped as well as a Girl Group. Then he became the Judge on Pop Idol, then did American Idol now The X Factor Franchise.
"Jaguwire!!!!!"
Spelt is a type of grain. Did you mean to say "spelled"?
I will be good by ISTER
*+mrkrabappleson* 'Spelt' is an accepted and widely-used alternative to 'spelled' in British English.
Yep. Spelt, Burnt, Dealt, Knelt etc
Bob Johnson - Spelt is a grain. Spelled is past tense of the word spell.
"Hey Don, why can't we work with North American Aviation again?"
This scene is so powerful and painful to watch at the same time. When I was 12 I stole $100 from my Grandpa and when I was confronted with what I had done I was so embarrassed and ashamed.
If you felt guilt you were raised well
@@speedking7224 So true. A lot of people will have a failing of character and righteousness in life. Its how we handle ourselves when we are found out that defines the deeper aspects of our character.
@@speedking7224 Absolutely, I was about 13 when I stole money from my uncle thinking I wouldn't be caught or nobody would cared, but once I was confronted, I broke down and cried on the spot and gave it back. Which is ironic, because after that every family member thought I was a thief for years, never leaving me alone inside their houses, but it was that same uncle that forgave me first and trusted me again to be in his home alone. It shaped me up.
Guilt and shame are very powerful tools, that's how we learn never to do wrong again. Feeling that shame is actually a good thing even if it hurts. The hurt is a part or the learning process. You know who doesn't feel shame? Psychopaths...
"Why suffer the humiliation for a 13-day loan?"
And there it is. The source of all of Lane's problems: the fear of humiliation and the need to fit in and maintain status. Speaks to the culture he was raised in, really. And his bastard of a father. Truly tragic character.
"I've started over a lot, Lane. This is the worst part."
Anyone who's been fired knows that feeling.
then he goes to russia to solve the radiation problem. It all comes together at the end.
Actually he kills himself
@@nothingtoitbuttodoit So what ? He saves millions of people. Thats what matters.
@@gustavodutra8578 You sound like the kind of person coal miners would rub their dirty hands all over. Or at least walk around naked in front of.
@@scottmatheson3346 At least i got money.
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The amazing thing about this scene is that Don genuinely doesn't seem to understand that Lane's fraud here is nothing compared to Don's life.
Don understands, he doesn't care. Lane forged his signature, so it's personal for Don.
Don understands, he’s been forging that signature for 15 years. That’s why lanes death disturbs him so deeply
People have an innate ability to justify their own actions.
That's the IRONY--i.e. Don is paranoid about anyone forging his signature, because it might blow his cover, that he's FURIOUS about it: i.e. "the guilty flee, where no man pursueth." Just like when he sent his brother Adam away, for the same reason-- and he ends up hanging himself as well.
The other irony is that Don threatens to take it to Bert Cooper, who had already ignored Don's stealing the real Lt. Draper's identity; and so he obviously wouldn't care about Lane just borrowing some money that was only a fraction of what he had in the company.
Don understands but he doesn't want Lane talking about how they're butt buddies.
Prior to Mad Men I had never heard of Jared Harris. After Chernobyl I would put him up against his co-star Stellan Skarsgard as a truly great actor. His inflection here when he says "please reconsider" and the range of emotions he conveys with just his voice is just brilliant.
He's incredible in "The Terror" as well...
@@branden3785 good mention, he absolutely kills it in The Terror
I had a job for about two years where my job was literally to fire people. It was one of the hardest times in my life. I relive it every time I see this scene.
you sound like a real nice person*
*i mean piece of shit.
"I ruined lives for a living."
Who brags about that?
Your experience could be a movie. 😊
@@alanberickson It was an episode of King of the Hill.
So what? People find new jobs
@@Inbraneinthememsane obviously you've never had one
Idk why this was replaying in my head over and over again this weekend.
God, I feel like going back and watching Mad Men all over again. One of the best (and arguably the most heartbreaking) scenes in the whole series.
he gave him that drink to make him subconsciously feel in debt to him so he levereged him
Chief Beef He “beveraged” him.
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Man, I miss this series. Yeah, I have the entire series on DVD, but as good as it is to revisit it’s never the same as seeing a new episode for the first time.
Lane's journey was so sad. I could see things were hurtling towards something bad but I hoped after the first suicide attempt failed he might turn things around. After all, this show didn't kill off a lot of characters. When his widow even says it was wrong to fill a "man like that" with ambition, you see she never respected him and you get the sense of the humiliated spirit he carried in all aspects of his life. One of the most tragic MM characters.
“DON, THERE IS GRAPHITE ON THE GROUND”
"The next thing will be better, because it always is". Very true if you have Don's looks confidence and charm and have successfully convinced yourself that the world out there is there for the taking. As for the the other 99.9999% of us - not so much.
Yeah. It must be nice to be so desirable that you can count on there BEING a "next thing".
All you need is talent.
@@frankjohnson123 don works with a lot of talented people... dude has something deeper than talent lol
Ok loser now
Go
Clean my shoes
"I'll cover the money you took" "Because $7,500 is nothing to you...Do you know how the rest of us live?"
Can I just file that last sentence under Big Mad Men Questions, right up there with "Who is Don Draper?"
I'll do you one better: "WHY is Don Draper?"
@@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 but did you ever think to ask 'HOW is don draper?'
Don missed a trick here, he could have turned this situation into absolute loyalty but chose to cut loose someone who was very good at their job
I've thought that many times.
Yep. Bert had the opportunity to fire Don over fraud, but didn’t because he knew Don would be loyal to him (and in turn Pete would be loyal to Don if they buried the hatchet). But Don was so scared of being found out that he continued to make the people around him pay for his own deception.
@@NabberDog Cooper couldn't fire Don he was a partner. He'd have to be bought out.
That's what Cooper told him about Campbell in season 1
It's a trust issue, Don simply couldn't trust him anymore.
Jon Hamm is such a great actor...he commands every scene he's in...I really miss this show...quality television at its best
Unbelievable production design
Lol Jared Harris acted circles around him in this scene. Jon hamm is a c level actor and always has been. There’s a reason he’s never done anything relevant outside this show
I recently found out Jared Harris is the son of legend Richard Harris, which is fuckin cool.
Damn, Don is just so well put together... One of my favorite scenes of this show
"I've started over a lot, this is the worst part" pretty powerful statement by don.
"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid."
Most management must be on the verge of suicide then.
"You want a professional to do it?" That's when he knows he's fucked
Incredible scene
"Take the weekend."
"Thanks. I think I will."
Hang in there, Lane!!
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Lane: "I feel a bit lightheaded"
Don: "That's relief"
Orrrrrrr maybe it's the rather generous ration of whiskey you made Lane throw down lol
Poor Lane. He was a true gentleman. And in Mad Men, only the assholes survive.
This scene captures the all of the possible emotions being fired evokes. The “oh shit” of being caught or exposed, the anger or indignation at hypocrisy, the desperate urge to explain yourself or fix things, and the simultaneously freeing and dreadful feeling of accepting the situation.
What a scene, and what outstanding performances from Hamm and especially Jared Harris, who is certainly doing his old man proud here.
Harris ran circles around Hamm here. Hamm is a C level actor that’s done nothing relevant outside of mad men. Jared Harris is brilliant.
Do you know how the rest of us live? That question resonates now more than ever.
Season 5 was the best season, and the final episodes were terrific.
I prefer season 4 but season 5 is up there
@@footballpredictions-g2y top 2 seasons
man, that line about relief is so true. First real job, I knew I was out the door for a week before I was let go. When they flagged me down at the end of the day Friday, I was happy- after a week being a dead man walking, I was relieved to finally get it over with. It helped that I didn't like that place in the first place
It's always wonderful to see a well acted scene like this. Bravo!
5 Stages of Grief:
Denial - "I won't sit here and bear this interrogation"
Anger - "It was my money"
Bargaining - "I will make good by Easter"
Depression- "What will I tell my Wife?"
Acceptance- A handshake, but Lane never really accepts the loss of his job
Yes he did, but then his wife SPENT the money that was supposed to go to the British government.
Yes he did, but then his wife SPENT the money that was supposed to go to the British government.
This scene is so masterfully written, I like many in the comments have also pointed fingers at Don in this siltation asking how dare could he be such a hypocrite about forging a signature when he himself has stolen another mans entire identity so by nature he is committing a crime every single time he writes the name Don Draper.
You can also be very quick to blame Don for Lanes suicide that follows this, but in the end I think what ultimately killed Lane was his own pride. It was his pride that stopped him in asking for help when he needed it, it was his pride that made him think embezzlement was a better option and finally it was his pride that thought death was more noble than appearing weak. What is so painful about this is that this is what many of us in real life could also resort to if we were put under similar conditions, pride really does kill us and like Lane that feeling of being made less than in our earlier life can define us if we aren't careful. It wasn't about resigning from a job and finding a new one in his eyes he had also failed his family and their entire view of him, he would rather die as someone viewed as a success in superficial terms than to live as an imperfect fallible human being.
Meanwhile, "Don" masquerades as somebody he isn't.
Lane may have embezzled the money, but he did it by forging the name of a dead man.
*"Lane may have embezzled the money, but he did it by forging the name of a dead man."*
I'm sure you have a point in there somewhere.
no one cares
He deserved to be fired.
Damn, haven't watched Mad Men in forever, this scene was great.
Jared Harris is such a fantastic actor. I’ve only seen clips of Mad Men. Still, I first became aware of his work in Fringe playing the character of David Robert Jones and have since seen him in Sherlock Holmes as Moriarty, Lincoln as General Grant, and of course, Chernobyl playing Valery Legasov. Truly, Jared Harris is one of the best character actors working today.
You have to watch him The Expanse - he's completly unrecognizable.
He's incredible in "The Terror". Phenomenal miniseries, too.
Jared is a great actor. But the real credit here should go to Hamm. Draper is just such a sack of cr*p throughout the series, yet he plays the character in a way that keeps the audience going along. It is close to what Cranston pulled off in Breaking Bad, .. though I genuinely feel like Draper is a worse character.
Fucking astonishing acting from Jared Harris in this scene. More raw than we've ever seen him on the show. He would've handily won the Emmy had Aaron Paul also not been nominated.
Brutal. Epic scene. Don's line about starting over a lot hits home in a major way.
lane's face when don says "i'm gonna need your resignation".
Sad thing is that Don ended up getting it in a way that he didn't expect.
Layne: "why suffer the humilliation for a 13 day loan??"
Don: (nobody gave you a loan, in the first place.)
"I'm gonna need your resignation".
May 20, 2021. Heretofore, I've never seen one minute of this show. That was great writing and great acting.
Highly recommend you watch the entire series, and try not to binge it because each episode is so deep.
I was always stunned that Don didn’t back Lane on this one. How hypocritical.
Incredible scene. I was thinking about this for days after I watched thinking about how hard Don screwed over Lane here. It's sad because I think if Don knew what Lane would do he wouldn't have fired him. Lane's character breaks my heart because he was made to look so pathetic but he did a lot. He worked his way up the corporate ladder and was able to establish his own firm but he'd rather die than face his father
I hated Don for that, Layne was one of my favourite characters
Lane was a sniveling Brit - Don should have kicked him in the balls while he fired him
I started watching this on Netflix and I have been Deeply saddened for Lane. I feel so truly sorry for him, it breaks my heart what happened to him in the end 💔 Jared Harris is a phenomenal actor ❤️
„Think of an elegant exit“.. oh boy
Don: "Take the weekend. Think of an elegant exit."
And then Lane proceeded to take that elegant exit right off the inside of his office door.
"I've started over a lot, this is the worst part."
That is a powerful statement.
How can you start a new life when you've messed-up so badly? It's soothing to remember Don Draper's words here. It's hard to see how right now, but it *will* get better.
Um...apparently you didn't see what happened next.
First step, steal someone else’s identity