Thanks for the video. I find HA to be bit tighter. They both have use depends on the song. BAE is different animal so much attack in it Sounds so nice.
Out of the 3 Heritage Audio is the only unit that has the 3 stage just like a Neve. For me HA is if you want more of that actual Neve sound and Bae would be for adding thickness as its really different compared to an actual Neve.
Nice comparison, thanks! One think I strongly dislike about the HA-73 EQ is the fact that the EQ controls are laid out the wrong way round. Worse yet, some knobs have marking on the bottom while the Output level has them on the top like most knobs.I know the Neve product this clones is also laid out that way but, frankly, it's stupid. Warm Audio did it right.
I think where some of these clones start to fall apart (as someone who owed a WA73EQ for many years) is when you use them on multiple sources in a recording. My WA sounded pretty good on vocals but when I started to add harmonies and additional background vocals, they start to have a harshness in the mid range as they started to add up together.
The warm sounded foggy, snudgy, whereas the Heritage definitely had more of a crisp sound and less mud in the low and low mids. More clarity in the mids and high band. The Heritage top shelf is at 12k. Warm is switchable from 10 to 12 to 16. I have The WA 73 EQ, I prefer the Heritage. It seems to have more seperation in the entire sound spectrum. The warm is still good but the heritage had more smack, crunch and air. Both were great though.
the low end would give it away to me. I know how the wa-73 eq sounds. It crunches the lows and compresses them more. Especially on sources with a lot of low end info. Ask someone else, who knows if they'll pick out in a blind test. I got a focusrite isa one, run it into the wa-73 eq insert to use only the eq, you can tell how closed the wa-73s pre is on the top end.
@@dimitrisgakis9206 they sound different, the warm sounds good too. I got the ISA one because I also wanted a more open sounded option. They are just different. Both are good!
If you ever get your hands on a GAP PRE-73 EQ Premier, be interesting to hear if there's any difference, compared to say the WA. Because they are half the price of the WA 73, almost 1/4 the price of the Neve. So could almost fit out a whole 8-channel drum recording frontend for the price of just over two Neve units. Similar with the Warm Audio WA-12 API-style pre, compared to CAPIs, which are almost twice the price, or APIs which are almost 3x.
Build quality and extra functions makes WA the winner for me. :-) I just got one, and saved quite big on getting the WA used, compared to a new HA unit - which is rare to come by used in Norway.
Some of these clones are so close to each other sonically that unless you want to be an absolute maniac about it, you could argue the build quality and the company itself outweigh that 0.8%. The heritage stuff feels and looks more pro than the cheap plastic buttons whereas warm audio units feel and look cheaper. How available the company is in your country is a factor too. All that said i have a BAE single channel pre because i hear that slight difference in weight and feel in build quality. I'm tempted to get the 500 series version with eq.
14:4715:0315:30 The only thing I'm wondering about is ? he has two BAE eq and only one warm, and heritage, sounds like the BAE was used on both snare and kick, where only one was used on the whole, or just the kick ?
Thanks for sharing and doing this review. I am currently in the process of testing a focusrite ISA vs a heritage Audio 73. I was curious how did you get a blue color heritage Audio all I’ve seen are gray lol.
I found the Heritage noticeably better than WA on the kick. Richer than WA. BAE seemed to have more sub low. The snare was more difficult. They were a bit different, but not sure which I liked.
Not a subtle difference to me: the Heritage clearly has a tighter low end and a better transient. It’s like it’s smeared slightly, but still really well defined.
The EQ on the warm sounds bad. I returned a stereo unit because it sounded that bad. If you say the heritage sounds good too, it might sound bad too. It missing the inductors in the circuit. Thats how Warm cut cost.
If you say the heritage sounds good too, it might sound bad too ? The heritage used the same inductors and 3 of them! not sure where you got the it might sound bad ?
No 73 equalizer will present the correct equalization curves without high quality capacitors and, most importantly, correct “Vinkor” type pot core inductors. More than often this type of products have these expensive inductors replaced with generic ferrite core ones or, even worst, the mid band dual inductor replaced with a single one. Never in Heritage Audio products!!, as the impact of replacing these to the eq curves is dramatic, leading to incorrect curve´s shapes and high frequency phase distortion which in no way honor the design. The HA-73 EQ Elite employs WIMA 5% capacitors in the EQ section as well as 3 correct vintage type “Vinkor“ pot core inductors so the eq curves are virtually undistinguishable from the handmade equalizers in the Heritage Audio line. Customers can expect the same sonic quality and feel they have come to appreciate from Heritage Audio
Actually there is a difference. When using a certain Preamp to record all of your vocals, instruments or both the harmonic structure of your song will add up and lead to a cohesive sound throughout the mix. I would even argue that the mixing process is a lot more cohesive because of that. There is a reason why music from the eighties sounds so good. The songs were all recorded and mixed in a console like the ones SSL or Neve produced. You are partially right to say that the end-consumer will not hear a difference if Preamp X or Preamp Y was used on a single vocal but a stack of harmonies or unison doubles will definitely sound different, even if the difference may be subtle.
Actually it's in a final mix you really notice it. Tracking with real quality preamps is the difference between a 3 day mix where you in the end kinda give up on it and rationalize that "it is what it is" and a 1 day mix where all you need is balancing and mild eq/compression and you can focus on being creative instead of fighting strangeness in the midrange.
ive been using this as my reference track for mixing drums and its been a game changer haha
Thanks for the video. I find HA to be bit tighter. They both have use depends on the song. BAE is different animal so much attack in it Sounds so nice.
Great video, Kyle. I own the HA and I love the results I get. I've often wondered what the WA version sounds like. Both sound really good.
Great review man! 🤘love these types of comparisons.
Both sound great. Definitely can get pro pro recordings from both units. The BAE was barely barely different.
Great video! Loved seeing the comparison on this.
I needed this video three months ago - thanks anyway! Great insight :)
Out of the 3 Heritage Audio is the only unit that has the 3 stage just like a Neve. For me HA is if you want more of that actual Neve sound and Bae would be for adding thickness as its really different compared to an actual Neve.
very neutral unbiased review, almost makes me want me to get both of them haha
Nice comparison, thanks! One think I strongly dislike about the HA-73 EQ is the fact that the EQ controls are laid out the wrong way round. Worse yet, some knobs have marking on the bottom while the Output level has them on the top like most knobs.I know the Neve product this clones is also laid out that way but, frankly, it's stupid. Warm Audio did it right.
I think where some of these clones start to fall apart (as someone who owed a WA73EQ for many years) is when you use them on multiple sources in a recording. My WA sounded pretty good on vocals but when I started to add harmonies and additional background vocals, they start to have a harshness in the mid range as they started to add up together.
I have wa273 and love it. I use it for my overheads for drums and use it a ton on everything else.
The warm sounded foggy, snudgy, whereas the Heritage definitely had more of a crisp sound and less mud in the low and low mids. More clarity in the mids and high band. The Heritage top shelf is at 12k. Warm is switchable from 10 to 12 to 16. I have The WA 73 EQ, I prefer the Heritage. It seems to have more seperation in the entire sound spectrum. The warm is still good but the heritage had more smack, crunch and air. Both were great though.
Which one is better for vocals in your opinion?
Then I guess you could tell what is what in a blind test, could you?
the low end would give it away to me. I know how the wa-73 eq sounds. It crunches the lows and compresses them more. Especially on sources with a lot of low end info. Ask someone else, who knows if they'll pick out in a blind test. I got a focusrite isa one, run it into the wa-73 eq insert to use only the eq, you can tell how closed the wa-73s pre is on the top end.
@@geotungz4050 Besides the EQ, the Warm Audio as a preamp is worse the the Heritage ?
@@dimitrisgakis9206 they sound different, the warm sounds good too. I got the ISA one because I also wanted a more open sounded option. They are just different. Both are good!
If you ever get your hands on a GAP PRE-73 EQ Premier, be interesting to hear if there's any difference, compared to say the WA. Because they are half the price of the WA 73, almost 1/4 the price of the Neve. So could almost fit out a whole 8-channel drum recording frontend for the price of just over two Neve units. Similar with the Warm Audio WA-12 API-style pre, compared to CAPIs, which are almost twice the price, or APIs which are almost 3x.
Build quality and extra functions makes WA the winner for me. :-) I just got one, and saved quite big on getting the WA used, compared to a new HA unit - which is rare to come by used in Norway.
Warned audio lol
WA73 feels tigher in the bottom end. Thanks for sharing!
Great video. Really like your channel!
Kip Allen sent me here…great comparison!
The HA has smoother eq - as it should be ;-) Still like my WA though, just don't use the eq so much, it does have it's place - they do sound good
Some of these clones are so close to each other sonically that unless you want to be an absolute maniac about it, you could argue the build quality and the company itself outweigh that 0.8%. The heritage stuff feels and looks more pro than the cheap plastic buttons whereas warm audio units feel and look cheaper. How available the company is in your country is a factor too. All that said i have a BAE single channel pre because i hear that slight difference in weight and feel in build quality. I'm tempted to get the 500 series version with eq.
14:47 15:03 15:30 The only thing I'm wondering about is ? he has two BAE eq and only one warm, and heritage, sounds like the BAE was used on both snare and kick, where only one was used on the whole, or just the kick ?
You really are a master on recording drum. Do you mind sharing the rest of your mic setup.
Thanks for sharing and doing this review. I am currently in the process of testing a focusrite ISA vs a heritage Audio 73. I was curious how did you get a blue color heritage Audio all I’ve seen are gray lol.
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insert button on the warm beats the heritage all day someone that an anlaog user that feature is the most important.....
I found the Heritage noticeably better than WA on the kick. Richer than WA. BAE seemed to have more sub low. The snare was more difficult. They were a bit different, but not sure which I liked.
Not a subtle difference to me: the Heritage clearly has a tighter low end and a better transient. It’s like it’s smeared slightly, but still really well defined.
I'm hearing a lot more transient attack and low end in the heritage
Lemme get this straight - the bae 500 series is thicker than the warm and heritage racks? Insane. Correct my if I’m wrong. 500 series 1066?
at 12 minutes, the snare sounds lower - am I wrong?
HA rules !
wow, did you quantize it? it looks so evenly in line.
Warm didn't follow spec, and that was also in the inductor's which rupert neve said you need to have 3 not one or two !
The EQ on the warm sounds bad. I returned a stereo unit because it sounded that bad. If you say the heritage sounds good too, it might sound bad too. It missing the inductors in the circuit. Thats how Warm cut cost.
If you say the heritage sounds good too, it might sound bad too ? The heritage used the same inductors and 3 of them! not sure where you got the it might sound bad ?
No 73 equalizer will present the correct equalization curves without high quality capacitors and, most importantly, correct
“Vinkor” type pot core inductors. More than often this type of products have these expensive inductors replaced with
generic ferrite core ones or, even worst, the mid band dual inductor replaced with a single one. Never in Heritage Audio
products!!, as the impact of replacing these to the eq curves is dramatic, leading to incorrect curve´s shapes and high
frequency phase distortion which in no way honor the design.
The HA-73 EQ Elite employs WIMA 5% capacitors in the EQ section as well as 3 correct vintage type “Vinkor“ pot core
inductors so the eq curves are virtually undistinguishable from the handmade equalizers in the Heritage Audio line.
Customers can expect the same sonic quality and feel they have come to appreciate from Heritage Audio
Major difference will be QA control, being very good with HEritage and very poor with Warm.
No one will notice in a final mix.
Actually there is a difference. When using a certain Preamp to record all of your vocals, instruments or both the harmonic structure of your song will add up and lead to a cohesive sound throughout the mix. I would even argue that the mixing process is a lot more cohesive because of that. There is a reason why music from the eighties sounds so good. The songs were all recorded and mixed in a console like the ones SSL or Neve produced. You are partially right to say that the end-consumer will not hear a difference if Preamp X or Preamp Y was used on a single vocal but a stack of harmonies or unison doubles will definitely sound different, even if the difference may be subtle.
Actually it's in a final mix you really notice it. Tracking with real quality preamps is the difference between a 3 day mix where you in the end kinda give up on it and rationalize that "it is what it is" and a 1 day mix where all you need is balancing and mild eq/compression and you can focus on being creative instead of fighting strangeness in the midrange.
Yes you will...