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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:52 Universal Pros
1:44 Analog Tuning
2:48 DSP Default Tuning
4:26 Other Tuning
5:45 App Issues
8:02 Comparisons
9:14 Final Verdict
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Nice! No need for the DSP cable
I'm still a bit confused on the dsp cables thing. So if you A-B the Dusk with the dsp cable vs a regular cable but EQ'd using the values you got from Crin, will they sound exactly the same with the same imaging, staging etc...?
Theoretically the DSP cable should not change those aspects but can you confirm whether thats actually the case?
DSP is basically EQ. So if you do EQ yourself it'll give the exact same result as EQ applied with the DSP cable.
@@jonathanraecrisanto5912 just get a nice dongle, and use squiglink to get the eq presets applied to the tuning of other iem you already own. Then any app with eq will get you there. (better use an iem with a close enough tuning ot the dusk - and good treble on its own if possible - so you only do minor adjustments vs huge ones and try not to mess with the treble too much) Really can't see the revoltuon here. If only the software was good...
Do wavelet works with ifi go blu?
Timmy. You put wavelet files out there for people to use in analog? You are a GOAT!
Omfg they work!!
Timmy I fucking love you!!!!
No homo
Best dusk review so far, not because it is positive but because you explain very clearly all the pros and cons and it is always very clear which mode you are talking about (analog or DSP). I see other reviewers nitpicking too much on the things they do not like and completely ignoring all the things the Dusk is doing very well, leaving a really bad impression to us, the viewers who had not had a chance to listen them yet. Thanks for the review! I really enjoyed it 😊.
Thank you!! 😊
Fully agree with you. I've no idea why some reviewers like to keep saying bad things about the product they reviewed. I personally think whether the sound performance of an audio product is good or bad very depends on personal taste and preference. If possible, I honestly think the best way to pick your favorite audiophile products is to try them out before buying
Thanks a bunch for those wavelet files. That's sick af
Thanks for your input, I am so totally looking forward to being able to pick these up.
I really appreciate all the info about various presets and comparison between each. I use EQ on most IEMs, so that will come in handy.
That moondrop app is horrible, it requires permission to access your photos, mic ,camera and location to launch, seems like a privacy red flag.
I was concern about this too honestly. It was one of the motivation behind the wavelets.
@@GizaudioWhat were the other motivations?
Relying on a chifi-developed app to get great sound is pretty comical
Not like they are gonna do anything with it lol. Better having your data stolen by CCP than by your own government.
@jackalneck I just hate the DSP experience overall and the app makes it worst. So I thought it'd be nice to just not use DSP at all.
Yeah, I just programmed the DSP settings for the default and the V settings into the parametric EQ in USB Audio Player Pro and I am using the analog cable. I'll use the DSP cable in some cases, because it's fine, but I think overall I prefer a better DAC and also not the Moondrop app.
Can you confirm that the EQ'ed DSP default on Player Pro sounds the same as using the DSP (on default)?
@@NelsonMichael yes. My phone's DAC has filters that make the audio a bit more spacious but the tuning is dead even.
Many thanks for finding out what happens if my DSP cable gets lost or broken. I was wondering that myself. Also Duy Busk
The battle of 300+ usd: Dunu Da Vinci vs Hype 4 vs Studio 4 vs Dusk
300 for IEM? Really? Better buy PARA.
@@ValeryMatsiukevichCan't really compare an IEM to an open back over ear, it's a totally different use case.
@@ValeryMatsiukevichtoo shouty.
nice review as usual. BRAVO for Wavelet sound profiles !.
BTW On Samsung phones there is Sound Assistant app (from Samsung App library), that enables very granular Sound Vol control, up to 64 steps...
i agree that they need to be shown progressively, but in my perspective this approach not benefitting me, it benefits the devices owners
Thank you Timmy!! for the breakdown of the various EQs! but can you keep the dsp eq saved on the cable? For example if you settled on the dsp default. Can you keep the eq setting without the app (if moondrop stops supporting it in the future or the buggy app is just annoying) or even if you switch to the an iphone from android?
Got ifi go blu and last month upgraded from moondrop starfield 1 to yanyin canon 2. Is it worth getting these later on or yanyin is just better? Should we see review other iems now with dsp because are reviews fair now that one iem is reviewed with eq and others at stock?
For me i glued clip to ifi go blu and wear it cliped close to heart pocket because it's easy to adjust volume switch songs or pause. Having cable go to my pocket with mobile i would find very anoying when i'm busy enviroment like city center or public transport. DSP maybe be a future but not pluged in to mobile. I think i will wait for other companies to do it better.
Nice ! I was waiting for this video
but Timmy if I’ve still been loving my Moondrop S8 over the last 3 years, is this different enough to get despite being way cheaper and a different driver configuration. Curious your thoughts having tried and loved both!
Great review Sir! thank you.
As a qudelix user thinking about a dusk, putting up the eq settings i had to press the thumbs up button twice 😄
i was ready to buy this first day it dropped for preorder but all i hear is people hating it or loving it(with dsp). as i would only be using it analog do i pass and just get variations?
thanks for the eq info =)
Looking forward to getting mine. I expect a lot of used IEMs flooding the market, as this will replace many more expensive sets.
So im never using the dsp cable since I'm always using my iems with my quadelix. And if i want to use the profiles. I can just use eq in the quadelix and add those there.
Timmy you've outdone yourself giving us the wavelet files, thank you. On the analog cable, to me it's just silly, they could have added the cable that the Aria 2 comes out with, how can the Aria 2 share a cable with Dark Saber and the Dusk not?
Hi! came across your video and find it incredibly helpful. As I'm stuck in between getting Aria 2 or going all out to get new Crinacle DUSK as my first IEM, i plan to use it for music and gaming most of the time. Any advice on which should i get? thanks alot in advance!
Thanks a bunch for the settings! So do I just dial these in via Peace EQ on the desktop?
I have no idea how to put the eq value on uapp app.
Analog bell
High shelf
Dont know. Dusk defaul you need only to put 3 value?
i just bought the sony xwhatver 5 tws, and i cant sleep on it, i just want to be able to sleep with my headphone, or at least relaxing
how you people use your iem? sitting in front of your pc , working out , or while you are lying flat ?
and when aswell ?
Hi Timmy, do u think more dsp profiles will be added in the future?
Any recomendations for any other iems around the same price point? Just getting into the hobby so not sure whats out there
i have the fiio fh5 is this worth the upgrade and is the sound signature similar?
how can you input 14000 hz on the app? it can only goes to 10000 on my app
Hello from Thailand! I am deciding between the Dusk and Varitions. Could you please help recommend?
Really excited to finally try a Dusk by Crinacle! Though, I was curious, for the signature change, is this like EQ, where once you change it in the app, the sound signature change will remain while you use the Dusk on your pc?
Once changed to a preset in the app, the dsp cable remembers the settings and will sound the same on your pc.
Goat activity on wavelet files. Btw how would you compare it to higher prices IEM's like Dunu SA6's and etc? Kinda in the fence about which on to buy 🥴
Do you think that if I get this, it’s redundant if I already have the Moondrop Variations?
how this compare with studio 4?
7:21 all those have 14khz corrections …i use the same with my trn kirin on Equalizer APO, there is so much airyness, foward cymbals and hi hats, less body, foward harmonics
How do you compare the Moondrop Dusk with the Moondrop S8, Timmy? Which one do you think it's superior?
i really wanna know this too
Maybe stupid question: if you use the analogue cable with an amp, can you still use the app and still use the PEQ settings? Still the bass boost, harman, etc. ?
No, not with the moondrop app. You'd have to install wavelet on your phone or Equilizer APO in you're on desktop and apply the EQ files I made.
Hello, love the content. Would these be good for gaming? Specifically Escape from Tarkov?
Would trade that dsp cable for 4.4 mm bal any day of the week
Can you make a wavelet preset for the original b3 to the dusk
I have B2 and i love it for gaming but I’m looking for an improvment because i think it gets overwhelming when in action , do you recommend it ? If not what should i look into ?
I mean i would never use b2 for gaming but ye something with upper midrange like this would definitely help. Honestly spending this much for just a gaming iem is still crazy.
sweet. for everyone that wanted to use the presets as a starting point we have the info now. you cannot tweak the preset in the app. hope the attention on the dsp gets them to get some app programmers. how long before expensive dac cables now as well?
How those compare against Variations?
How would you say it compares with the S8? Should I care about it if I have the S8?
Choo choo the hype train has left the station
How do these compare to the studio 4?
Great review! That you tried these for gaming?
Waiting for 2 years finally paid off. Now to wait another year so I can save up for it.
I lost my cable already, and i dont know how to use the wavelit files😢, on pc or on my phone, what a nightmare, plz help
You can input the value in the video into the moondrop app in the "PEQ" tab
Coool! You still have the SSP box 0:25
Never throw a waifu away
Nice video. I recently started to look for a pair of IEMs and landed on your channel. Your videos have a lot of information (maybe to many for a noob like me that doesn't know anything about sound besides if I listen to them and say if they sound good or not) thank you for that, and yes I know every person has diferent hearing tastes. I don't know which one to get yet and can not test them anywhere, however I have 2-3 in mind for general use like general gaming and racing games, also for work, music and maybe for movies too. One brand that I heard already a few times in my region and haven't seen them in your channel is the brand Hörluchs. Do you know them? Would it be possible for you to review one or a few pairs of them?
Anyway thank you a lot for all the infos and keep up the work
I'd buy it immediately but my USB C port is loose so DSP cuts out audio lol, feels bad
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I'm curious how these compare to the Variations. I've been enjoying them for a couple weeks now. I haven't listened to the Blessing 2 in a while but the variations remind of that minus the shoutiness and way more sub bass. The dusk price is awfully close to the variations, the diminishing returns are real.
I'm curious as well
I take it that if you had something like USB Audio Player Pro with the Morphit PEQ that you could just copy those EQ profiles and create your own analog presets and they would sound the same played with a regular phone DAC/AMP and you could then just throw the cable and its app away? Amirite?
finally, wanted to wait for this review, bought it anyway cuz i just didnt find anything negative (except perhaps the cable(s))
The DSP makes it a huge dealbreaker for me. I have a really nice desktop setup and a DAP when I go portable. I dont feel like being punished for spending time and money on gear that won't even make these IEMs sound their best. I don't want to be handcuffed to a DSP cable to have the IEMs sound their best. I also dont want to mess with EQ to simulate the DSP, should the app or cable have issues. This is not a good precedent that is being set, IMO.
It comes with a 3.5mm cable. Not sure what you mean?
Your suggestion is that Moondrop should sell an analog only version a bit cheaper?
Good idea... But at the same time, you know the Free DSP cable is 30$ right? It sometimes goes on sale for cheaper than that.
Also, the moondrop app was already developed before this came out...
complete nonsense. please read the details on the retailer's website.
@@1337sim1he means that he doesn't want to be locked into using the usb cable to make the iem sound the best.
Nothing to do with the price.
Exactly! It doesn’t sound good without the dsp
@@shaunbrady15 Jimmy liked the analog tuning. What makes you say this? 🤔
Dsp will become a nightmare. Because it needs an app any company can stop updating it or even change the terms of how it works. Also they may require you to have a data connection and collect your data. Hope they have a universal config file you can edit with any pc or phone without manufacture app.
Instead of a microphone and play control buttons on the DSP cable, I would prefer there to be a small programmable memory chip with some manual switches where you can put different eq profiles on there. You won’t catch me relying on a jank app for eq’s.
We have that, it's Wavelet on Android and Equilizer APO on windows :D
@TFWandyzilla yeah I use those as well. I'm concerned that somehow dsp will become proprietary. And possibly get locked down. Also limit what cable you can use. Time will tell.
r1327 this would be great for sure and I'm sure some will implement exactly this.
@@rickoneill4343 this is so funny since the only proprietary is the tuning. meanwhile the open source dsp is more than enough for the next 20 years. unless youre a 30 bands addict.
as a oracle mk1 owner and fan i can not wait for my dusk to come in the mail.
the oracle sounds amazing but is too large for my ears so it gets uncomfortable after some time
the dusk has a very comparable sound signature so i am looking forward to comparing the 2
also i love how moondrop combined the dd and planar in the may so i think this will be awesome.
Note i did tune the may to my oracle in the dsp which gave a very similar vibe
So I need to use dsp cable if I want to use custom tuning? I can’t tune then use 3.5 cable? Really confused.
Edit: I guess not, just rewatched….is there a way to tune on PC, want to use for gaming.
You can use equalizer apo
@@The-Oldest-Dream thanks
Hello! Is there an EQ app for iPhone that you recommend to insert the wavelets easily?
I also have this question. Probably its a no go for iphone users. Need to to borrow someone's android to set them.
Time to get a Qudelix 5K
I like to listen to all sorts of genre which iem would be better between Tanchjim origin and moondrop dusk for a better balanced and neutral sound signature
Hey, I own the Variations since a couple of months and I really love them.
But I know they're a little old too, would you say these are better ?? :)
DUSK's default DSP tuning is better, imo. I could provide you with EQ to emulate that. It's gonna be VERY close until 16 kHz.
DUSK should have smaller nozzles, so that may be a big pro. Would sure be for me, but I'm not eager to get them due to some upper treble quirkiness.
For those afraid of the "need to use DSP"
I think the big thing to keep in mind here is that, as Timmy has said, utilizing wavelet, Equalizer APO, Steelseries Sonar, etc. you can apply the same PEQ settings that the DSP uses, effectively granting you the same sound signatures on analog and freedom to choose your own DAC/AMP.
While some don't like the analog default signature, Crincacle has gone on record stating it was the result of direct intention to weed out the peak in the lower treble that is present on the previous blessings and dusks by using the new planar tweeters.
Obviously if you've already got some sick mid-tier earbuds you're happy with, these may not be nearly as appetizing to non-collectors, but personally as someone entering the mid-tier iem market I've been very happy with the Dusks and use PEQ religiously...
A tip to anyone out there, the Steelseries Sonar Punchy preset sounds insanely good on these iem's. Don't have the values on me but they can obviously be transferred over into any PEQ of your choice too!
Buy Dusk.
How's the mid and sub bass on these compared to the Aful performer 5? I would like to have another set of iems for use at my desktop.
so barely going off his ranking here, he did not evaluate the performer 5 that high in regards to bass and mids with its strong point being the treble.
if we go based off the final rank he gave the dusk2 its basically just better in every regard
for the cons tho:
app can be a bit buggy (consider getting qudelix 5k)
3.5mm cable is kind of disappointing for that price (i am not using that, i will get a replacement)
@@ahsaftIf I were to purchase this iem I would be using it analog with a fiio k5 pro ess. If I were to use a replacement cable would it affect sound quality?
@@Shout0 since ur planning on using it analog it will still sound the same as if you were to use the default analog cable, after that you can use an equalizer of course
@@ahsaft Okay thank you for the info, I already like to use EQ so this should be fun!
@@Shout0 u could theoretically still wait for gizaudios iem release, not much info rn but since it will probably come out soon and if u dont need a new pair of iems fast that might be worth the wait
Do you need DAC for it?
Can you give us the instructions on how to install the wavelet files into the app?
Just import the (.txt) file
If one has B3 is Dusk worth it?
My biggest question is QC, my Blessing 2 lasted a year before the left channel went out, my Blessing 3 lasted about 4 months before the left channel went out; is there a better quality control with the colab?
Man that's unfortunate, what are you doing with you IEMs 💀
@@ANOLE_VX Using them and taking as best of care of them as I can (regularly cleaning, etc). Probably just have a really gross left ear haha
I want to try this and like it... Was all in until I looked into the app and saw that it a) requires a sideload and b) can only get those signatures by using USB-C DSP cable and the app.
Given that and the aggressive push, this feels more like a way to socialize skimming data from users as much as promotion for a great IEM.
technically you can just get your favourite profile on the cable, delete the app and be done. It just makes switching profiles a pain.
hi timmy, i would appreciate it if you added the dusk to your squiglink
Wanting to get IEMs for my pc and saw these and started to look up reviews... very glad I saw one of your videos way back and recognized you bc the whole reason I was thinking I didn't want these was bc of the app and not being able to have the presets on my pc.... now I can... and now there is a $359 hole in my wallet 💀
please add it to ur iem list ranking bro
Please try to get a demo of the Alpha/Omega: OMEGA. I have stopped using the rest of my collection (26) others including the Elysian Annihilator 2023! It just makes everything else sound dull.
I would love to know moondrops unit variation regulations from the factory and if reviewers got golden samples or not.
Lol nope. You can ask Super Review this
@@Gizaudio not meant to be an insult btw, I know that Sennheiser has a +/-1,5db tolerance for most of their headphones for example. That is already pretty strict in their opinion and could still result in a very different sound signature per unit for audiophiles. That's why I would love to know more infos like these about other brands.
I also think this is the new benchmark to totally obliterate small ears :')))
is this worth it coming from a S12 Pro? 😆
I'll wait for 2 months so the hype dies dies down and true reviews start coming out
Based
Smart man
yeah fkin sucks iem also fkin crincle sucks should at least 100 bucks only price
The problem is that they will be sold out by then and it won't get restocked, just like many previous collab iems like B2Dusk and kinda lava.
@@casanova9227😂
How does the Dusk compare to the Aful P5?
Or the Dunu SA6 MKII
How does it compare to the Origin? ❤
Your link to DACs just provide a massive list. Do you have a link to something more specific?
I guess the link is broken now. It was suppose to link to Topping A90 /D90 Stack
@@Gizaudio thank you
what app to use the wavelet files
The app is called Wavelet lol
How do u have such nice hair.... We need a vid on that 😂
For someone who has no intention of using the DSP, is $350 for just the analog sound sig still worth it?
Yes
I would check out more reviews first buddy
But u have to use the usbc shit to get the performance?
It's a product. If it's not for you don't buy it. It will sell well with or without you.
No, you don't. He literally explained it in the video. Crin has released all the EQ values for the profiles so you can EQ it yourself using a normal cable. You just need to use EQ software like walelet / Equaliser APO
Yes, the regular 3.5 is not good
@@augustoalvarez6766 whats wrong with you bro
@@jashonwestbrook3362 nothing. you?
Dusk or Hype 4?
Is it better than thieaudio hype 4?
Great review Timmy! Thanks for the wavelets!
Ordered the ie600 today. How would you rank them against the dusk?
They wipe the floor with them.
@@fluffykitten517 had the 600's for a few days now. These aren't close to the ie200 like people say, not at all. Different tonality for one, and just better in every area.
They're different types of IEMs with different signatures. The IE600 sound similar to the Variations in certain aspects but have all of the pros and cons of being a single driver IEM. Plus, Sennheiser is very good with staging and airness in sound. IMO the Dusk would sound flatter compared to the IE600.
Great review
Thanks man!
How does the DSP cable compare to something like a fiio btr5?
Is the difference so minute that i can just ditch my fiio btr5 from now if i use the DSP cables?
Not optimal, but maybe use an Android emulator to set your DSP once to your preferred mode. Avoiding data privacy concerns or if you are non-android user.
duy busk indeed
kinda hope this doesnt ruin ur own iem release soon
Pronunciation is Dusk or Duss?
I don't trust dsp over using something like the qudelix 5k, or something similar, with it's full parametric eq options in it's app. Is it worth waiting on saving up for the monarch mk3 to get this? Or should I just get the monarch and come back to this later? Also, I don't understand the hype around the Kato's cable, it was the worst part of that iem and I had swapped it with a $40 Xinhs cable for a massive improvement in usability
I have the mmk3 and have ordered the dusk. Different tunings.
@@NetZero11 I think I may just be feeling a bit of the fomo kicking in from all the marketing amongst youtubers. The monarch is my current "endgame" iem
@@GoufinAround_ happens to us all. Get what you think you’ll enjoy the most and suit your preferences.
@@NetZero11 I’m gonna keep saving for the monarch then lol
kato's cable, while not necessarily very practical, looks and feels premium. this cable just looks cheap.
I'm so salty i just bought the Blessing 3 now i want the Dusk too
Sounds like i should sell my B2 asap
Nooooo b2 is discontinued. It's gonna be rare soon
Finally