Why is history so set on one answer to this story..This seems like enough proof to warrant an in depth investigation into finally getting to the bottom of this story.
I'm very convinced too. 2 questions I keep asking myself tho is why they say he was literature when he wrote numerous letters to the governor that we all know of and can see. Then is the man doesn't look old enough to be the Kid. He looks 70s not 90s that they say he was when died the second time. He just don't look born in 1850 something. What's your thoughts on that. I never read the book
Oh Great! Another Billy The Kid/Brushy Bill book I gotta get my mitts on........Thanks A Bunch :) Seriously, I didn't know about this one, so Thank You Mondo Monk
@@dwightcurrie8316 That's arguably THE book on this, no? Morrison traveled to Roberts and spent time picking his brain with his legal rigor, and got affidavits from people who knew Billy, who met Roberts, and said he was Billy.
Between the gun shot scares and the facial recognition test that said that he was a 95 percent chance of being the kid I'm leaning towards him being the kid as well! I don't think a nutcase is going to scare himself with knife wounds and gun shot wounds just to claim that he is the kid! What we need is a DNA test to confirm the truth! What I don't get is why people are blocking the DNA test?
I don't know if Brushy is a Fraud or not but his story is very interesting, and he risked capital punishment coming forward. Either the man was an old loon who wanted attention or he really was Billy the kid, and he never got his pardon. I would like to point out that there was no internet back then, and Libraries were limited on the information that could be obtained. How did Brushy Bill learn so much about the Kid without having some kind of association with him?
This same old bullshit keeps coming up all the time. Do some actual research on the subject. Brushy was fluent in Spanish, could read and write and was identified by people who knew the kid back in the day!
Billy the kid could read and write 2 known letters written by Billy to the NM Governor exist. Brushy Bill could also read and write. I don't know if Brushy was Billy and with DNA we could possibly find out. I have doubts due to Brushy's chin being distinct and not the same as Billy's known picture but it sure would be nice to find the definitive answer
Ricardo Abreu wait! What?! We have their graves. How did their bodies disappear?! This is the first I’ve heard of that and that sort of news should be available, I should think! When? How?
@@charlyfraley4913 I believe Billy's grave was hitted by a flood in the 20s, loosing any evidence of getting DNA. And his mother's grave got lost too. If there are no body's then how can people compare DNA? And if Brushy Bill was really W. H. Boney you may get DNA from him, but to whom will you compare it with? Billy's mother body missing?
Ricardo Abreu I’ve just looked on line and so far I couldn’t confirm the missing of Billy’s mom’s body. As a matter of fact I found pics of her grave with gravestone and it appears to be of the correct time and no one has mentioned anything anywhere that her grave was ever disturbed.
@@ricardoabreu4997 The cemetary in Ft Sumner was flooded and many of the graves were washed up. There is no certainty that the "Pals" grave even contains any remains let alone the remains of Bowdre, O'Folliat or BTK. There has always been resistance from the Ft Sumner citizenry to requests to exhume the remains for fear they may lose a major tourist attraction. However, the location of Brushy Bill Robert's (alias BTK) is known and DNA could be obtained. But there would be nothing to compare DNA with as the grave location of BTK's supposed mother, I say "supposed" because Brushy Bill's story has him being raised by his "Aunt Bonney" after his mother Katherin ROBERTS died. It is my opinion that BTK was shot by Pat Garrett and lies, somewhere, in the Fort Sumner cemetary.
i know this from my grand father Pat shot a man in ved with a girl Billy came from the shadows put his gun to his head Pats eyes got wide so they made the deal and Pat put that dude in the ground and Billy went back to AZ
The name of the Man seeking help for the land was none other then the Jesse Evans. From the Jesse Evans gang and a fighter along with billy and against billy when the lawyer got shot when trying to make a truce after the J.Tunstill killing. .
I couldn't agree more. I wonder if anyone could write shackled hand and foot? We will never know for sure If Billy wrote or simply dictated? Here is eye witness testament on the night Garrett shot the kid: Jesus Silva- (Fort Sumner resident and friend, commenting on the events that led to the killing of Billy the Kid. An interview with Jack Hull 1937) “ It was the night of July 14, 1881. It had been a hot day throughout the valley and Mesa Redondo country. I had strolled over to a neighbor’s house and on my return had stopped under a Cottonwood tree for a moment, when the Kid, whom I had known for some time, strolled up. He had just ridden into town. He was hot and tired and we drank beer together. He told me he was hungry and that he was going to the home of Don Pedro Maxwell for a cut of fresh beef for his supper, which was being prepared at a nearby house. We parted there and in a few minutes there were shots. The news soon spread that Garrett had shot the Kid at Maxwell’s home. I ran over there and Garrett, who had run out of the house, told me to go in and see if the Kid was dead.” In an interview with Miguel Otero Jr. 1938: “ There on the floor, we (Silva and Deluvina) saw Billy stretched out, face down. We turned him over, and when Deluvina realized fully it was the Kid, she began to cry bitterly, interspersing with her tears the vilest curses she could bestow on the head of Pat Garrett (who may have just walked in and noticed the Kid was now lying on his back, which will explain his version of how the Kid’s body was position). We asked permission to remove the body, Pete Maxwell suggesting removal to the old carpenter’s shop. We laid the body on the carpenter’s bench and placed candles around the corpse.” Shortly before the Kid was killed... “We had heard strange voices coming from the peach orchard but had given no thought to who it might be. If we had, the Kid’s life might have been saved. It was Pat Garrett and his two deputies. Billy would not have walked into the trap laid for him. Someone in Fort Sumner must have given Billy away.” “I have heard reports which say that Billy the Kid is still alive. I know that Pat Garrett killed the Kid on July 14, 1881, in Pete Maxwell’s bedroom. I also know with absolute certainty that he was buried in the old graveyard the next day.” Deluvina Maxwell- (Resident of Fort Sumner and friend commenting on the night the Kid was killed) “He (Garrett) was afraid to go back to the room to make sure of whom he had shot! I went in and was the first to discovered that they had killed my little boy. I hated those men and am glad that I have lived long enough to see them all dead and buried.”
I believe this story because nobody ever heard from bonney again, he was too young to just disappear unless shot dead that night......at least he took some with him
The bit I'm unsure about is he says Billy can't read or write .. There are letters from Billy online to the Governor asking for a pardon back in 1880. Confusing..
The real Billy the kid could not only read but could write . Billy wrote several letters to gov Lou Wallace Asking for his help . Bill Bonney was literate . He wrote like an educated man. This man is badly mistaken.
Handwriting experts have examined the letters from Billy to Lew Wallace and concluded that the letters were written by more than one person. It has been speculated that Billy probably dictated the letters while being held in the Lincoln County Jail. Sources: Arthur F. Kivela (American Board Of Forensic Document Examiners & Chief Document Examiner of the New Mexico State Police) April 26, 1982. Maureen Casey Evans Document Examiner from Chicago, IL as cited in The Illustrated Life & Times of Billy The Kid by Bob Boze Bell' 1996.
Honestly who knows but still them letters are in the kids own words even if some one wrote the letters for him but I highly doubt anyone would dictate letters for Billy though back then most men couldn't read our write and the ones that could would be a short list I think Billy wrote the letters himself course it will never be proven cause too much time gone bye and every one that knew the kid has passed on
@eddie Dickens that's a movie bud a Lot of young guns was based on the the Billy the kid but they Hollywood that movie up kifer Sutherland he played doc Shurlock and he didn't really die at stinking springs doc went on to live too be a old man but character died in the movie cause kifer couldn't be there plus he had another contract with some one else and so they let him go off earlier and Chavez Chavez didn't die either he lived too be a old man
It's actually a mistake of Tunstill to assert Brushy Bill Roberts couldn't read or write, because he could. It's a misunderstanding of what Morrison dictated in his notes. He meant that Roberts wasn't a literary man, meaning that he wasn't in the habit of reading, though he could read.
I don't know that there are any BTK relatives to obtain DNA from. Although there is a grave stone for his "mother", there is uncertainty that it is actually his "mother", Catherine. The original cemetery was purchased for development and the graves moved to another location by the developer and the accuracy of the record keeping is questionable. BTK supposedly, had a brother who has disappeared into history.
@@siringo55 Everyone has seen Poltergeist. I don't trust when they "move" cemeteries. You never actually see anyone exhuming and moving stuff during developments. If they do I bet shit gets moved around a lot because they figure nobody is going to dig it up and see for sure.
DNA can be obtained from his mother Catherine, his brother Joseph (Josey), or his sister Bridgette and her four children. However, if it's proven that the Kid is not buried in NM, it loses lots of money and becomes just a long state to drive through.
He could read and write, just not very well in his later years due to his failing eyesight and arthritis. Here is a video I did on Roberts literacy. ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
Bill Allison and Albion Arlo Norman ended up with a majority of Bill's possessions after the death of Roberts' wife, Malinda. Unfortunately, after both men passed, the materials got scattered amongst both men's descendants. I plan on going into greater detail on this in a future video, as both Bill Tunstill and Bob Hefner told me of their attempts to obtain the items and place them in the museum in Hico.
Dr. Tunstill was mistaken when he said this. I did a video where I show samples of Roberts' handwriting taken from his notebooks and letters he had written. I also show a poem he wrote. He also signed all three of his marriage certificates. All of this is a moot point, though, because every forensic document examiner that I'm aware of have determined that all the purported letters written by Billy were all written by different people. The New Mexico State Police's Chief document examiner even said this. I show the document in the video. ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
Brushy Bill's story I "Kinda" believe....or let's say that I "Find It Believable" As for the whole J. Frank Dalton Thing. He first gained notoriety by Proclaiming himself to be Famous Lawman "Frank Dalton" in the early & mid 1940s. This was Factually disproved. Then Suddenly in 1948 Dalton Remembered that he was Actually In Fact the famous outlaw Jesse James......Sure, Sure He also magically "Regrew" the tip of the middle finger on his Left Hand that " The Real Jesse" had shot off by accident, and gotten the nickname "Dingus" in the process. Dalton was also asked who "Red Fox" was. Dalton stated that Red Fox was a Cherokee Scout for Jesse............In Fact Red Fox was one of, if not The Best Race Horse that Jesse owned. Dalton was a Con Man demanding Attention & A Few Bucks Too, I suspect....Brushy Bill wanted no notoriety, or at least appeared Not to seek The Lime Light. That's my Semi-Educated opinion based on a 40+ years of reading every "Non Fiction" book about The James Boys, Their Lives, Family & Exploits that I could lay hands on. I also visited The James/Samuel Family Home, where both Jesse & Frank grew up & Frank Died there in 1915, The James Grave sites in Kearney Mo. and The Murder House in St. Joseph Mo. in the Mid 1980s. I stood outside the window that The Pinkertons threw the Bomb thru killing their 8 Yr.Old Half Brother Archie & blowing their Mother's Right Arm off Below Her Elbow....An Eerie Experience for me & I was able to tour the inside of their Family home & see the bed where Frank Died, and also toured the "Murder House". This Ain't Exactly My First Jesse James Rodeo
If he was illiterate in reading or writing how did he write letters to his friend in South Dakota? It is known that Billy wrote letters to try and get pardoned.
I believe Dr. Tunstill was mistaken regarding Roberts' literacy. I did a short video discussing this in which I show samples of Roberts' handwriting as well as a letter from the New Mexico State Police's Chief document examiner. Thanks for watching. ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
I honestly don’t get why someone would claim to be someone who they aren’t???? I don’t see the benefits in claiming someone you aren’t. That being said if he truly is Billy the kid then give him the pardon as promise.
There is a lot of misinformation out there about J. Frank Dalton, most of which is completely unsubstantiated. And that DNA circus in St. Joseph has been pretty much completely debunked, with several people involved coming out against it. I plan on covering this in future videos. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret Id love to talk about it. So here’s my biggest argument that’s very concrete. Zee! Jesse’s poor widow. Look at the picture of her and her two children, that is the look of a woman grieving, that lost the love of her life. She never recovered from his death and it’s clear with historical evidence that her and those two children were not another man’s family “Bigelow” but in fact apart of The James family. The corpse pulled from the grave had bullet in rib cage area “another historical fact Jesse shot in lung while surrendering during civil war” he never had the bullet removed and caused his lots of health issues near end of his life. Plus the lengths his mother went through to protect his corpse from grave robbers. Charlie Ford suicide, Robert Fords life after the assassination. Pictures of corpse. The governor’s son helped take care of the family. Frank acquittal after Jesse assassination. I wish I could have coffee over it because I could go on and on with argument against him versus argument for him. J Frank Dalton most likely wasn’t even his real name and Jesse James damn sure wasn’t his real name. I personally think he was an old man with no family, broke and wanted to be noticed and luckily looked the age or was of someone born in 1840’s and wanted to capitalize and not die a poor lonely man in obscurity like Joseph McCarty in Denver.
@@brushybret I would love for Brushy to be the kid. Seems to me that he would’ve kept some memorabilia from then to prove his claim. Pictures, jewelry something. Can’t say his handwriting because as we age and arthritis changes our handwriting. What do you think of Chano Silva?
@@Jameslfgsmith He actually did, and I will discuss and show it in part 3 of the outlaw years. Have you seen my videos on Roberts? Silva gave differing accounts on Billy based on who he was talking to, as did A.P. Anaya. I touch on this in my video Brushy Bill Roberts in his own words: The Lincoln County War. Have you seen the interview with Anaya's grandson where he states that his grandfather said that the Kid wasn't killed that night but rather another man named Billy and that his family firmly believe Brushy Bill Roberts to be the real Billy the Kid? Here is a link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/nd34jMnXMFU/v-deo.html
Handwriting experts have examined the letters from Billy to Lew Wallace and concluded that the letters were written by more than one person. It has been speculated that Billy probably dictated the letters while being held in the Lincoln County Jail. Sources: Arthur F. Kivela (American Board Of Forensic Document Examiners & Chief Document Examiner of the New Mexico State Police) April 26, 1982. Maureen Casey Evans Document Examiner from Chicago, IL as cited in The Illustrated Life & Times of Billy The Kid by Bob Boze Bell' 1996.
I have tried to compare Brushy Bill's photos to BTKs photos and could not find much of a resemblence. The only thing that came close was the ears and that was still not a complete match because the bottom of Brushy's ear lobes were not the same as BTKs. I understand that facial features change within time, however the facial features of Brushy Bill's to being what was once BTKs are not convincing.
Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid and that was proven by facial recognition with a 93 percent accuracy also both men were 5'8" tall both fluent in Spanish both have the exact same scars open your eyes and look at the facts Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid .
Yes they do. But you must also take account in his old age picture he has lost all teeth which causes jawbone deteriorating. Regardless it's still matches well.
Pat Garret was billys friend why would he kill the actual man ? when back then you could kill the Legend by killing any man ?THE Trial against Billy was completely rigged ,
3 possible locations of Billy the kid? 2 Billy wanted revenge for the killing of tunstel don't blame him I would to what got me was the file on they did was facial recognition it was brushy bill I've seen documentaries out the wazoo my grandpa met with the lawyer Morrison before he died looking for our ancestor who rode with 1 of the gangs back then we had the pistol n holster but my shit eating dad sold it for a case of beer it was heavy for a 5 yr old
What was your grandfather's name? I have most of Morrison's papers and I can look through them and see if I have any correspondence between him and your grandfather.
Wrong! Billy could read and write very well. We have letters he wrote to the governor. Brushy Bill is an interesting story, but has been discredited by experts.
Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid and that was proven by facial recognition with a 93 percent accuracy also both men were 5'8" tall both fluent in Spanish both have the exact same scars open up your eyes and look at the facts should they have measured their Wangs ?
I did a video where I show samples of Roberts' handwriting taken from his notebooks and letters he had written. I also show a poem he wrote. He also signed all three of his marriage certificates. All of this is a moot point, though, because every forensic document examiner that I'm aware of have determined that all the purported letters written by Billy were all written by different people. The New Mexico State Police's Chief document examiner even said this. I show the document in the video. ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
I vote Billy the Kid/Brushy Bill gets
a pardon as promised.
It is amazing to me that so many 'excuses for men' dont believe a man's word is worth keeping. Lew Wallace isnt worth the dirt he's buried in.
The trouble started when Garret never had a death photo of Billy the Kid taken as was the custom and there is no body in the grave .
It's to sad to think Billy was killed by Garret. I hope he really did escape his legend. Thank you for sharing this extraordinary video.
Why is history so set on one answer to this story..This seems like enough proof to warrant an in depth investigation into finally getting to the bottom of this story.
We all want the truth to come out
The book _Alias Billy the Kid_ by Morrison and Sonnichsen seals it for me, I think. All those people signed affidavits.
I'm very convinced too. 2 questions I keep asking myself tho is why they say he was literature when he wrote numerous letters to the governor that we all know of and can see. Then is the man doesn't look old enough to be the Kid. He looks 70s not 90s that they say he was when died the second time. He just don't look born in 1850 something. What's your thoughts on that. I never read the book
Oh Great! Another Billy The Kid/Brushy Bill book I gotta get my mitts on........Thanks A Bunch :)
Seriously, I didn't know about this one, so Thank You Mondo Monk
@@dwightcurrie8316 That's arguably THE book on this, no? Morrison traveled to Roberts and spent time picking his brain with his legal rigor, and got affidavits from people who knew Billy, who met Roberts, and said he was Billy.
I read this and definitely think Brushy Bill was The Kid.
Between the gun shot scares and the facial recognition test that said that he was a 95 percent chance of being the kid I'm leaning towards him being the kid as well! I don't think a nutcase is going to scare himself with knife wounds and gun shot wounds just to claim that he is the kid! What we need is a DNA test to confirm the truth! What I don't get is why people are blocking the DNA test?
I don't know if Brushy is a Fraud or not but his story is very interesting, and he risked capital punishment coming forward. Either the man was an old loon who wanted attention or he really was Billy the kid, and he never got his pardon.
I would like to point out that there was no internet back then, and Libraries were limited on the information that could be obtained. How did Brushy Bill learn so much about the Kid without having some kind of association with him?
This same old bullshit keeps coming up all the time. Do some actual research on the subject. Brushy was fluent in Spanish, could read and write and was identified by people who knew the kid back in the day!
@@clyde38 Brushy was illiterate.
@@Red-hk9gb so was billy aka brushy
He could of been Friends with Billy and listned to his stories and when Billy died he could of said ill take his place and say im Billy..!!!
@@coffmanlove2020 Billy the Kid could read and write and spoke fluent Spanish.
Billy the kid could read and write 2 known letters written by Billy to the NM Governor exist. Brushy Bill could also read and write. I don't know if Brushy was Billy and with DNA we could possibly find out. I have doubts due to Brushy's chin being distinct and not the same as Billy's known picture but it sure would be nice to find the definitive answer
Problem is neither Billy's body or his mother's body still exist. Both have desapeared and can not be fou d to compare DNA
Ricardo Abreu wait! What?! We have their graves. How did their bodies disappear?! This is the first I’ve heard of that and that sort of news should be available, I should think! When? How?
@@charlyfraley4913 I believe Billy's grave was hitted by a flood in the 20s, loosing any evidence of getting DNA. And his mother's grave got lost too. If there are no body's then how can people compare DNA? And if Brushy Bill was really W. H. Boney you may get DNA from him, but to whom will you compare it with? Billy's mother body missing?
Ricardo Abreu I’ve just looked on line and so far I couldn’t confirm the missing of Billy’s mom’s body. As a matter of fact I found pics of her grave with gravestone and it appears to be of the correct time and no one has mentioned anything anywhere that her grave was ever disturbed.
@@ricardoabreu4997 The cemetary in Ft Sumner was flooded and many of the graves were washed up.
There is no certainty that the "Pals" grave even contains any remains let alone the remains of Bowdre, O'Folliat or BTK.
There has always been resistance from the Ft Sumner citizenry to requests to exhume the remains for fear they may lose a major tourist attraction.
However, the location of Brushy Bill Robert's (alias BTK) is known and DNA could be obtained.
But there would be nothing to compare DNA with as the grave location of BTK's supposed mother,
I say "supposed" because Brushy Bill's story has him being raised by his "Aunt Bonney" after his mother Katherin ROBERTS died.
It is my opinion that BTK was shot by Pat Garrett and lies, somewhere, in the Fort Sumner cemetary.
Billy the kid for president
i know this from my grand father Pat shot a man in ved with a girl Billy came from the shadows put his gun to his head Pats eyes got wide so they made the deal and Pat put that dude in the ground and Billy went back to AZ
The name of the Man seeking help for the land was none other then the Jesse Evans. From the Jesse Evans gang and a fighter along with billy and against billy when the lawyer got shot when trying to make a truce after the J.Tunstill killing. .
I couldn't agree more. I wonder if anyone could write shackled hand and foot? We will never know for sure
If Billy wrote or simply dictated?
Here is eye witness testament on the night Garrett shot the kid:
Jesus Silva- (Fort Sumner resident and friend, commenting on the events that led to the killing of Billy the Kid. An interview with Jack Hull 1937) “ It was the night of July 14, 1881. It had been a hot day throughout the valley and Mesa Redondo country. I had strolled over to a neighbor’s house and on my return had stopped under a Cottonwood tree for a moment, when the Kid, whom I had known for some time, strolled up. He had just ridden into town. He was hot and tired and we drank beer together. He told me he was hungry and that he was going to the home of Don Pedro Maxwell for a cut of fresh beef for his supper, which was being prepared at a nearby house. We parted there and in a few minutes there were shots. The news soon spread that Garrett had shot the Kid at Maxwell’s home. I ran over there and Garrett, who had run out of the house, told me to go in and see if the Kid was dead.”
In an interview with Miguel Otero Jr. 1938: “ There on the floor, we (Silva and Deluvina) saw Billy stretched out, face down. We turned him over, and when Deluvina realized fully it was the Kid, she began to cry bitterly, interspersing with her tears the vilest curses she could bestow on the head of Pat Garrett (who may have just walked in and noticed the Kid was now lying on his back, which will explain his version of how the Kid’s body was position). We asked permission to remove the body, Pete Maxwell suggesting removal to the old carpenter’s shop. We laid the body on the carpenter’s bench and placed candles around the corpse.”
Shortly before the Kid was killed... “We had heard strange voices coming from the peach orchard but had given no thought to who it might be. If we had, the Kid’s life might have been saved. It was Pat Garrett and his two deputies. Billy would not have walked into the trap laid for him. Someone in Fort Sumner must have given Billy away.” “I have heard reports which say that Billy the Kid is still alive. I know that Pat Garrett killed the Kid on July 14, 1881, in Pete Maxwell’s bedroom. I also know with absolute certainty that he was buried in the old graveyard the next day.”
Deluvina Maxwell- (Resident of Fort Sumner and friend commenting on the night the Kid was killed) “He (Garrett) was afraid to go back to the room to make sure of whom he had shot! I went in and was the first to discovered that they had killed my little boy. I hated those men and am glad that I have lived long enough to see them all dead and buried.”
I believe this story because nobody ever heard from bonney again, he was too young to just disappear unless shot dead that night......at least he took some with him
I believe Gene Morris story on the death of William h bonney
The bit I'm unsure about is he says Billy can't read or write .. There are letters from Billy online to the Governor asking for a pardon back in 1880. Confusing..
I did a video on this that explains it: ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
Interesting......
The real Billy the kid could not only read but could write . Billy wrote several letters to gov Lou Wallace
Asking for his help . Bill Bonney was literate . He wrote like an educated man. This man is badly mistaken.
Handwriting experts have examined the letters from Billy to Lew Wallace and concluded that the letters were written by more than one person. It has been speculated that Billy probably dictated the letters while being held in the Lincoln County Jail. Sources: Arthur F. Kivela (American Board Of Forensic Document Examiners & Chief Document Examiner of the New Mexico State Police) April 26, 1982. Maureen Casey Evans Document Examiner from Chicago, IL as cited in The Illustrated Life & Times of Billy The Kid by Bob Boze Bell' 1996.
Honestly who knows but still them letters are in the kids own words even if some one wrote the letters for him but I highly doubt anyone would dictate letters for Billy though back then most men couldn't read our write and the ones that could would be a short list I think Billy wrote the letters himself course it will never be proven cause too much time gone bye and every one that knew the kid has passed on
@eddie Dickens that's a movie bud a Lot of young guns was based on the the Billy the kid but they Hollywood that movie up kifer Sutherland he played doc Shurlock and he didn't really die at stinking springs doc went on to live too be a old man but character died in the movie cause kifer couldn't be there plus he had another contract with some one else and so they let him go off earlier and Chavez Chavez didn't die either he lived too be a old man
It's actually a mistake of Tunstill to assert Brushy Bill Roberts couldn't read or write, because he could. It's a misunderstanding of what Morrison dictated in his notes. He meant that Roberts wasn't a literary man, meaning that he wasn't in the habit of reading, though he could read.
@eddie Dickens I think it was funny!
DNA from Brushy Bill's grave and DNA from known relatives of Billy the Kid should settle the problem.
I don't know that there are any BTK relatives to obtain DNA from. Although there is a grave stone for his "mother", there is uncertainty that it is actually his "mother", Catherine. The original cemetery was purchased for development and the graves moved to another location by the developer and the accuracy of the record keeping is questionable. BTK supposedly, had a brother who has disappeared into history.
@@siringo55 Everyone has seen Poltergeist. I don't trust when they "move" cemeteries. You never actually see anyone exhuming and moving stuff during developments. If they do I bet shit gets moved around a lot because they figure nobody is going to dig it up and see for sure.
The hand writing also
The military confirm the photos are the same with there latest software.
DNA can be obtained from his mother Catherine, his brother Joseph (Josey), or his sister Bridgette and her four children. However, if it's proven that the Kid is not buried in NM, it loses lots of money and becomes just a long state to drive through.
Snake River doesn’t flow north of Boise that where he lost me
If he doesn’t read or write how did he write letters?
He could read and write, just not very well in his later years due to his failing eyesight and arthritis. Here is a video I did on Roberts literacy. ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
Does anyone know what happened to Brushy Bill's possessions after his wife died?
Bill Allison and Albion Arlo Norman ended up with a majority of Bill's possessions after the death of Roberts' wife, Malinda. Unfortunately, after both men passed, the materials got scattered amongst both men's descendants. I plan on going into greater detail on this in a future video, as both Bill Tunstill and Bob Hefner told me of their attempts to obtain the items and place them in the museum in Hico.
@@brushybret Oh, that's a shame. Too bad they weren't given to that museum. Thank you for your reply and I look forward to your future video.
The kid could read and write. Theres a letter he wrote gov Wallace??? He wrote wallace before he was married
Dr. Tunstill was mistaken when he said this. I did a video where I show samples of Roberts' handwriting taken from his notebooks and letters he had written. I also show a poem he wrote. He also signed all three of his marriage certificates. All of this is a moot point, though, because every forensic document examiner that I'm aware of have determined that all the purported letters written by Billy were all written by different people. The New Mexico State Police's Chief document examiner even said this. I show the document in the video. ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
If Billy wanted to disappear, he would have headed straight to Mexico. He's not gonna wait for Pat Garrett to meet him so he can escape to texas.
Brushy Bill's story I "Kinda" believe....or let's say that I "Find It Believable"
As for the whole J. Frank Dalton Thing.
He first gained notoriety by Proclaiming himself to be Famous Lawman "Frank Dalton" in the early & mid 1940s. This was Factually disproved. Then Suddenly in 1948 Dalton Remembered that he was Actually In Fact the famous outlaw Jesse James......Sure, Sure
He also magically "Regrew" the tip of the middle finger on his Left Hand that " The Real Jesse" had shot off by accident, and gotten the nickname "Dingus" in the process.
Dalton was also asked who "Red Fox" was. Dalton stated that Red Fox was a Cherokee Scout for Jesse............In Fact Red Fox was one of, if not The Best Race Horse that Jesse owned.
Dalton was a Con Man demanding Attention & A Few Bucks Too, I suspect....Brushy Bill wanted no notoriety, or at least appeared Not to seek The Lime Light.
That's my Semi-Educated opinion based on a 40+ years of reading every "Non Fiction" book about The James Boys, Their Lives, Family & Exploits that I could lay hands on.
I also visited The James/Samuel Family Home, where both Jesse & Frank grew up & Frank Died there in 1915, The James Grave sites in Kearney Mo. and The Murder House in St. Joseph Mo. in the Mid 1980s. I stood outside the window that The Pinkertons threw the Bomb thru killing their 8 Yr.Old Half Brother Archie & blowing their Mother's Right Arm off Below Her Elbow....An Eerie Experience for me & I was able to tour the inside of their Family home & see the bed where Frank Died, and also toured the "Murder House". This Ain't Exactly My First Jesse James Rodeo
If he was illiterate in reading or writing how did he write letters to his friend in South Dakota? It is known that Billy wrote letters to try and get pardoned.
I believe Dr. Tunstill was mistaken regarding Roberts' literacy. I did a short video discussing this in which I show samples of Roberts' handwriting as well as a letter from the New Mexico State Police's Chief document examiner. Thanks for watching. ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
He went to school briefly. He could read and write.
I honestly don’t get why someone would claim to be someone who they aren’t???? I don’t see the benefits in claiming someone you aren’t. That being said if he truly is Billy the kid then give him the pardon as promise.
He had me till he mentioned J Fraud Dalton…. That’s a hard one for me
There is a lot of misinformation out there about J. Frank Dalton, most of which is completely unsubstantiated. And that DNA circus in St. Joseph has been pretty much completely debunked, with several people involved coming out against it. I plan on covering this in future videos. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret Id love to talk about it. So here’s my biggest argument that’s very concrete. Zee! Jesse’s poor widow. Look at the picture of her and her two children, that is the look of a woman grieving, that lost the love of her life. She never recovered from his death and it’s clear with historical evidence that her and those two children were not another man’s family “Bigelow” but in fact apart of The James family. The corpse pulled from the grave had bullet in rib cage area “another historical fact Jesse shot in lung while surrendering during civil war” he never had the bullet removed and caused his lots of health issues near end of his life. Plus the lengths his mother went through to protect his corpse from grave robbers. Charlie Ford suicide, Robert Fords life after the assassination. Pictures of corpse. The governor’s son helped take care of the family. Frank acquittal after Jesse assassination. I wish I could have coffee over it because I could go on and on with argument against him versus argument for him. J Frank Dalton most likely wasn’t even his real name and Jesse James damn sure wasn’t his real name. I personally think he was an old man with no family, broke and wanted to be noticed and luckily looked the age or was of someone born in 1840’s and wanted to capitalize and not die a poor lonely man in obscurity like Joseph McCarty in Denver.
@@brushybret I would love for Brushy to be the kid. Seems to me that he would’ve kept some memorabilia from then to prove his claim. Pictures, jewelry something. Can’t say his handwriting because as we age and arthritis changes our handwriting. What do you think of Chano Silva?
@@Jameslfgsmith He actually did, and I will discuss and show it in part 3 of the outlaw years. Have you seen my videos on Roberts? Silva gave differing accounts on Billy based on who he was talking to, as did A.P. Anaya. I touch on this in my video Brushy Bill Roberts in his own words: The Lincoln County War. Have you seen the interview with Anaya's grandson where he states that his grandfather said that the Kid wasn't killed that night but rather another man named Billy and that his family firmly believe Brushy Bill Roberts to be the real Billy the Kid? Here is a link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/nd34jMnXMFU/v-deo.html
Hi Brett, just curious, but what ever happened to Billy's real dad? I don't think I've come across that answer yet.
I've got some information on what became of J.H. Roberts, and it will be in my video on Roberts Genealogy. Thanks for watching.
awesome!
20:30 'couldnt read or write. LOL Who wrote the letters to Lew Wallace then? u can this dribble...evidence?
Handwriting experts have examined the letters from Billy to Lew Wallace and concluded that the letters were written by more than one person. It has been speculated that Billy probably dictated the letters while being held in the Lincoln County Jail. Sources: Arthur F. Kivela (American Board Of Forensic Document Examiners & Chief Document Examiner of the New Mexico State Police) April 26, 1982. Maureen Casey Evans Document Examiner from Chicago, IL as cited in The Illustrated Life & Times of Billy The Kid by Bob Boze Bell' 1996.
I have tried to compare Brushy Bill's photos to BTKs photos and could not find much of a resemblence. The only thing that came close was the ears and that was still not a complete match because the bottom of Brushy's ear lobes were not the same as BTKs. I understand that facial features change within time, however the facial features of Brushy Bill's to being what was once BTKs are not convincing.
Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid and that was proven by facial recognition with a 93 percent accuracy also both men were 5'8" tall both fluent in Spanish both have the exact same scars open your eyes and look at the facts Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid
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Brushy bill and Billy the kid chin doesn't match though
Yes they do. But you must also take account in his old age picture he has lost all teeth which causes jawbone deteriorating. Regardless it's still matches well.
Pat Garret was billys friend why would he kill the actual man ? when back then you could kill the Legend by killing any man ?THE Trial against Billy was completely rigged ,
They weren't friends as young guns portrayed
3 possible locations of Billy the kid? 2 Billy wanted revenge for the killing of tunstel don't blame him I would to what got me was the file on they did was facial recognition it was brushy bill I've seen documentaries out the wazoo my grandpa met with the lawyer Morrison before he died looking for our ancestor who rode with 1 of the gangs back then we had the pistol n holster but my shit eating dad sold it for a case of beer it was heavy for a 5 yr old
What was your grandfather's name? I have most of Morrison's papers and I can look through them and see if I have any correspondence between him and your grandfather.
@@brushybret james Coon our original name was sandefer from ireland he killed a man come to us changed it
Wrong! Billy could read and write very well. We have letters he wrote to the governor. Brushy Bill is an interesting story, but has been discredited by experts.
I already did a video debunking this: ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid and that was proven by facial recognition with a 93 percent accuracy also both men were 5'8" tall both fluent in Spanish both have the exact same scars open up your eyes and look at the facts should they have measured their Wangs ?
Brushy couldn't write because he probably wasnt the kid 🤷♂️
I did a video where I show samples of Roberts' handwriting taken from his notebooks and letters he had written. I also show a poem he wrote. He also signed all three of his marriage certificates. All of this is a moot point, though, because every forensic document examiner that I'm aware of have determined that all the purported letters written by Billy were all written by different people. The New Mexico State Police's Chief document examiner even said this. I show the document in the video. ua-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/v-deo.html
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