Jimmi, the Range Rover driver who nearly skimmed my elbow on 38CM drop bars, isn't gonna give me a wide berth if I have to pay £1 a year VED, insurance, display registration and have a speedometer. He's gonna do the same thing because some people are murderous drivers.
Yeah Jimmy has this so wrong. We are already riding legally and within the regulations - as were the cyclists in the police video - yet read the comments comments under it. As you say - makes no difference to ignorant people.
The guy who knocked me off with his wing mirror on his van was not murderous or intentional, just unobservant and probably on his phone. He did get prosecuted. Somehow I didn't break any bones, just some concussion
@@arundelnet They intentionally drove while not paying attention, they (may have) internationally drove while using their phone - do you think you paying a VED equivalent would have changed that?
Don't these clowns make you laugh every time they shout out of their car window that you have no insurance nor pay road tax ! It's like what does that have to do with the price of tomatoes ???
Jimmy makes an excellent point that speeding is another stick for disgruntled drivers to beat us. One difference between bikes and cars is that on a bike you are more vulnerable, so you will be more observant and cautious. A friend did motorcross. When he got new body armour he was immediately faster - on the same bike and track. Feel safe, go faster and vice versa.
Since you had a brief appearance in the Sigma Sports video from the Stone Circle, I have to ask: can you get Matt Stephens in for one of the podcasts...?
Was just waiting for GCN to pop up in underrated overrated 😂 Racing coverage is amazing, I also love their travel videos as well as weird races (Dr. Bridgewood racing 1000km, for example), great content. However, some stuff has just been recycled so damn much like "how to clean your bike" being reuploaded anytime a company sponsors them a pressure washer. Generally enjoy most of their content for whom it is aimed at.
Now, come on guys! GCN has brought so much bike content and races available to us, the masses. It is amazing and helped cycling. And they have great commentators, they keep it fun, etc. I've followed you guys, Francis, Julliet, some other riders and GCN for years. All of you have shared with the world all the fun of cycling!
Glad you are both okay after the attempted robbery. As an ex-detective in London, can I tell you, please be careful. Clearly these two idiots aren’t very adept, but if you are unfortunately faced with this again, and there is a weapon shown or intimated, just give them what they demand. More experienced wrong ‘uns will not hesitate to use it, believe me. Bikes are replaceable. You’re not. Best wishes to you both 😊
not as many as you'd think. There's barely any cyclists in the midwest and both coasts arent friendly to carrying guns on a bike. plus most riders in the states aren't keen on guns themselves. @@LastAphelion
@@johnrafael4110 Its weird, I live in gun country but its hard imaging the same people I know with guns on bikes. Not trying to stereotype, it's just strange not to meet people interested in both. They usually love things with wheels, speed, and dirtbikes
This is the UK. Criminals rule and you piggies are too fat and lazy to do your job. If you defend yourself, you'll do more time than any thief or robber.
Tiagra is the true people's groupset, works flawlessly can have more the 11 speed 105 by using a 10 speed 11-36 cassette and has options for both rim and disk brakes.
I don’t think being regulated in the same way would make a difference to anti cyclists. You always see them saying cyclists run red lights, where I love the ratio of motor vehicles jumping red lights to cyclists is 99% vehicles 1% bikes, and let’s face it accidents will be worse from a motor vehicle jumping a red
Regarding the speed topic - I think the important thing to consider is the braking distance at a certain speed as well as the potential impact area. On a bike I can slow down or stop in a relatively short distance and swerving a bit to the side likely avoids a collision, a 2m+ wide car not so much. Also, as a cyclist I can be incredibly aware of my surroundings, in a sound-proofed metal box not so much.
Re regulation. The underpinning element to this for cyclists, walkers and horse riders is that they all have a right to be on the road. Thus the reg of cyclists would require a change in the law. We dont need a change in law we need a change of culture.....see northern france.
I don't think following speed limits on a bike would change anything, 99% of the times, being mindful of your speed and your surroundings will already do the job and will make you and your riding the safest it could be. That said, being mindful of where you are and how fast you're going is like the most basic thing on cycling, although some people forget to do it every now and then. Now if we could just get pedestrians to not walk out of the sidewalk and etc without a care of the world that'd be also amazing, but that's a losing battle.
The speed limits also means that a car is expecting someone coming along the road to be going the speed limit. So if they pull out and you're going a lot faster than they expect it could end badly for the cyclist
Interesting yeah I think a key point with speed limits is that not many cyclists have a display of their speed on their bikes (I don’t). Enforcing this would mean everyone would need to use a phone/bike computer head unit, which in turn would lead to all bikes having to be sold with one. For less experienced riders, looking at their speed would mean they’re not looking at the road so this would likely increase accidents, but with e-bikes becoming so prevalent I guess this issue will be discussed more and more from here on out…
The other thing to consider is the mass of a car versus a bike. At any given speed the mass of a car is going to cause much more damage than a bike. That also affects stopping times.
I mean I feel the problem with all those arguments is that they can apply to cars as well. Want fewer pedestrian accidents? Have fewer pedestrians and more drivers. Seatbelts are “barriers to entry”, etc. any sort of restriction is met with cries of “oh this makes less accessible!” Other activities are the problem, not mine, I should be able to do whatever I want.
@@SoJahSeh91the difference being that the cost for bringing in the regulation and administrating it would far outweigh the benefit - this cannot be said for the safety features in cars. It’s the same for a ‘road tax’ for bicycles - it would cost way more to send the letter out than they get back in tax.
When it comes to the speed limit issue I try to abide by a few personal rules. outside of town my speed is regulated by conditions. Then when I get to a town and/or get onto a multiuse path I slow down. I feel these rules help to make care drivers less angry, and pedestrians and myself safer. It is all about curtesy.
I agree. But I love how it's always the people driving the things that cause 43,000 deaths a year in the US alone are always pointing the fingers at cyclists. Jeeesus.
I'm not a fast cyclist. I'm not a trained cyclist. My top speed on flat, ever , is 45 kmh. Sure I go slower if the infrastructure doesn't allow more but it should allow me to go as fast as I can. It does for cars to go50. N I can listen to some ........ Say I'm going to fast if I go 35.
German speaking here: My main argument on speed limits for bikes and general abidance to the applicable road laws is "anticipation". Crossings, right of way, overtaking etc. in an interaction based scenario are significantly safer if everyone can properly anticipate other people's actions, because all follow the same set of rules. Just as an example, motorists pull out in front of me regularly against the traffic laws, because they expect the road cyclist to be as slow as the other pushbikers. Speeding would very often make it impossible to break in time, especially with a lot of traffic all around.
I'm glad Francis has a decent platform for his opinions. It's rare that you find people with reach who have ridden bikes enough to see how much of a joke the cycling vs anti-cycling discourse is... compared to a politician or driver who's never ridden a bike in their life. It's about appeasing drivers to maintain a status quo where they don't have to feel bad about their entitlement of taking up 5x the space of a bicycle, making 10x the noise, producing 100x the emissions, and killing 1000x the people. More people on bikes 100% is the thing that makes it safer
Indeed - the folks who prefer mechanical to electric group sets tend to also prefer rim brakes. The idea is to keep things relatively simple, non-electric, and light weight.
Nice another podcast, I've been watching one per day this week. Studio's still missing a wacky waving inflatable tube man (and his fan, and a chance to make a Fantani pun)
Overrated/Underrated - Time bikes. Are they as good as the “buzz” suggests? If I ever get enough cash to buy a new bike, I’d be torn between Time or Custom Steel (just the two which appeal to me atm).
Underrated. One of the last few companies that makes their own carbon frames with a admittedly better method than the Chinese moulds still made in the EU (previously France now Slovakia with the same equipment) I have a Time Fluidity 2019 disc made in France. The build quality on them is insane I have the raw gloss carbon and any company willing to put their carbon weave on display (newer models paint over a lot granted). I've had only one issue and it was used error overtightened my seatpost and cracked it and have a new one showing up today. The bike feels great, stiff yet responsive, mine is about 7.2kg with assiamo duo shi pedals
Can’t regulate speed limits on a bike because they don’t have speedometers and gps is not legally allowed to be used as primary speedometer. And the government have looked into regulating bikes like cars and it would cost so much to do vs any benefit it’s not worth the time. Cars have to have insurance because the level of damage they can cause is far beyond what someone is expected to reasonably be able to afford, not true of bikes. And force = mass * acceleration, most speed limits are set to protect people outside of cars, they amount of kinetic energy they carry is roughly 100 times more than that of a bike and is why they kill on average 5 people a day. Are you going to make 4 year olds get a license and get insurance?
Much as it bothers me, I believe Jimmy to be right: if as cyclists we were subject to the same regulations and penalties as drivers, at least they would find it harder to justify all that hatred some people show us out there on the roads
I live in St Neots Cambridgeshire and there are a small number of lad’s who tear around on small off-road motorcycles with full balaclavas on, no helmets and usually sun glasses-the bikes are unregistered (not road legal) and look fairly intimidating. I haven’t heard of them doing anything other than being a bloody nuisance-yet. Carbon fibre-yep, been there done that-I used to windsurf and masts and booms were made of carbon fibre-when they break you have to handle the bits VERY carefully-the splinters will work their way out eventually. Glasses for riding-I used to wear glasses all the time for riding, I was short sighted and my glasses were photochromic so didn’t need sunglasses. This worked fine until I was knocked off my bike by a car, landed face down and trashed my glasses…… I have since had cataract operations on both eyes so now have 20:20 distance vision so can wear cycling sunglasses-but I have to wear reading glasses to read anything……. Keep up the good work you guys. 👍
I grew up in Hackney and worked for Mosquito bikes in islington - I would say you escaped injury and theft that day. The number of people I have personally dealt with who have been injured by “scooter boys” either stealing their bikes at gun/knife point - or more commonly their panniers while commuting. The protagonists are nearly always teenagers…
With respect to the speed limits, I think they are particularly important in the age of e-bikes. Those allow inexperienced riders to ride at speeds that can only be achieved after years of riding, amazing physical shape, excellent bike handling capabilities, etc. So, those folks are much more likely to hurt themselves and people walking. Hence, speed limits should be strongly enforced on all vehicles on the road. When e-bikes are regulated differently than normal bikes, require license tabs, a driver's license with permission to ride powered vehicles, rules about using helmets, etc, only then we can separate them from human-powered bikes.
Speed limits, traffic lights etc are infrastructure designed for motor vehicles based on their unique characteristics and the risks they pose. Blanket forcing those rules like for like onto people riding bikes - which obviously are hugely different things - makes absolutely no sense and is arbitrary nonsense!
Speaking as a Traffic Engineer, the primary purpose of speed limits (in terms of safety) is to mitigate the damage caused by a loss of control of the vehicle. Of course one of the other major concerns is the way small reductions in speed has a big impact on the survivability of a collision, however there is always an argument to be made about why a pedestrian has chose to cross the road at an arbitrary point rather than use provided infrastructure such as a zebra. Safety efforts are always focused on protecting vulnerable users (pedestrians, horse riders, elderly and infirm, etc). This is why (alongside the mentioned difficulties of speedometers being absent on bicycles) the laws are as they are. The simple fact is that Bicycles cause a tiny fraction of injuries in road traffic collisions (RTC) and cause an almost immeasurable percent of fatalities in RTCs. By contrast, motor vehicles account for the vast majority of both lethal and non-lethal RTCs. Motor vehicles are enforced because their potential to do harm is extreme - even at speeds below 5mph a small car is a dangerous object and can kill. Cycles are unlikely to do serious harm at typical cycling speeds. All road users are subject to the same guidance however - use common sense. While a Cyclist may not be required to adhere to the speed limit, they are required to ride in a considerate, responsible, and safe manner. On a country lane with no footways, a 40mph descent may be reasonable. On a village road with parked cars and pedestrians present, 40mph would usually be deemed irresponsible, and possibly dangerous, and this *is* a prosecutable offense. End of the day, cyclists are unlikely to even be able to break the majority of speed limits. The reason these guys can do 39mph in this 30 is because they're riding a pace line on a descent, and they're roadies with aero kit - not just a couple of guys out for a family ride on dutch-style frames. Not only is the chances of the potential offense occurring so low, but the risk of injury is too, which is not to mention the difficulty of actually policing such an issue. "Are you aware of how fast you were going?" "No, pretty fast I suppose but being this is a push bike I've got absolutely no idea beyond my own blind guess" --- As for cycling glasses for prescription - I've recently invested in a pair of prescription shades. Originally I wanted a pair of oakleys however oakley only cater to a small amount of vision correction. In-fact at about -4.00 sph and -2 cyl in both eyes I was essentially forced to go with Bolle as the only company that would offer prescription for a 'visor' style pair of glasses. They're a bit small for my face I think, but otherwise the lenses are good and don't pain my eyes. They also don't steam up like inserts do. What is worth mentioning is that they make prescription lenses and then weld these into the visor, which means there is a fairly noticeable edge around the lenses and the lense coating is different on the basic visor than on the prescription lenses. Personally I like them, and I think it was worth the money to get a good pair of glasses that will last and give me good vision on the roads. However the glasses/sunglasses I wear in day-to-day use work just as well and I could well have just stuck with those. Contact lenses could be a good option for some, I've never tried them as I don't like the idea of having to wear contacts any time I want to go for a ride.
Having just used an SLX 12s cassette because my XTR went back under warranty (due to a creak) I don't think XTR is worth the (almost triple) money for 95% of riders.
Hey guys, love the videos. Just out of interest, what watches are you guys wearing? Not too sure on Jimmi’s strap colour choice but the watch itself looks mint 👍🏻
@@SpillOppMaker When I was a kid I was very negative and argumentative like he is. I got beat so much I became a lot more calm by the time I was adult. lol
Commenting again to say I have the Ribble Ultra SL R with those crazy aero handlebars and I still love it! The turn blockers take some getting used to but many aero bikes are doing this now, especially with one piece bar and stems. The grippy coating on the drops is sufficient for me and I like the clean look of no bar tape!
I was one of the riders who got pulled over. The fact everyone is talking about this is crazy. Honestly i thought it was fair enough that he had a word, and then we carried on. I don't think sharing it on twitter was useful in any way though. That bit of road is straight and has plenty of visibility. Yes there is a crossing but you can see it from miles away. How many cars go down this hill every day at 40? Flipping loads.
In the USA, bicycles are considered vehicles and must obey speed limits. My buddy actually received a speeding citation on his bike for bombing down a street while a motorcycle cop was "preparing to direct school traffic" He has the ticket framed in his garage! 😆
GCN racing stuff is pretty good; however a lot of their channel output is repeated - and too much is performance orientated. They did some films 'Slow rides' with Jack Thurston which were very good; they need to do more of that type of stuff. As for Panda Pops; there's surely a need for a Panda Pops energy drink..... 🤪
Stopped watching GCN a while back but watched them at the very begining. After a while as it goes with these niche channels the content got quite diluted and boring. But to see the guys who set it up bring it to a mainstream media and making a nice buck at the same time deserves some respect. Out of some small youtube idea to seing your logo beside eurosport must feel good. Not sure what they are up to these days but I’d say they swept all comptetition into some small corner.
31:00 No one has paid road tax since 1937 you pay vehicle tax and that's based upon your choice of vehicle, it's no one's fault but your own if you have an issue with someone paying less because they opted for a vehicle that is exempt from a tax that is based on many factors not just road conditioning. Which shows that even if cyclists had all the same laws applied with plates, certain people would find something else because really it just boils down to entitlement. I got called a wanker for someone pulling out on me at a roundabout today, accountability is good, and the world would have a lot less problems if people could hold up their hands more often. Sadly, people generally go the opposite way, especially on the roads. Backflipping Nan's are a menace, but we have to look out for them.
I work not far from where your based in newcastle, we have had the moped guys around trying to steal motorbikes using cordless angle grinders, apparently northumbria police spend 2 hours chasing them with the helicopter recently and still couldnt catch them :(
I’m torn about the whole gearing thing. I’ve taken to cycling over the last few years and my mileage, usage and (fairly modest) achievements so far in challenging myself, probably mean I’ve earned myself the right to a ‘decent’ bike for my 50th birthday next year. So I’m planning what I’ll hope for - big decision will be whether to go Di2 or stay mechanical, but I’m also really keen that I don’t really want or need 12-sp gearing. 11-sp is annoying enough - I probably enjoy my 9-sp gravel bike more than my 11-sp road bike but if I do want to go Di2, I either have to go 12-sp 105 or hope I can still find an 11-sp Ultegra. Frustrating to have to choose.
Was just at a shimano dealer day last week, mostly on cues but they also had the new 105 and GRX stuff there with an angry man making sure you didnt take photos. The cues stuff is flat bar only and we only got "no comment" on drop bar versions but its all pretty low price
Prescription inserts work for me (Rudy Project, same ones for the last many years) but then occasionally it will get crap between the actual 'outside' glasses and the inserts, and you'll have to take out the insert gently (with fear that you'll either break it, or your frame) to clean it and put it back (it's actually sturdy but feels the tiny notches might be prone to breaking which would render the whole thing useless). Emily's insert issue could be related to her prescription 'numbers' or type, or just shoddy workmanship. I found a little shop in my home country/city that will do them well happily, if something happens to my inserts I'm hopping on a flight. If you can get Disney to sponsor the channel then Jimmi can get unlimited number of other Grogu things and not just a Garmin VivoFit Jr 3. PandaPops can have Pump Action Francis on them. I think GCN is still underrated including their YT channel, even with the occasional heavily sponsored bad video. I acknowledge they were overrated in the past when they overdid sponsors.
It's important to have a performance level groupset with mechanical shifting. Hope Shimano holds this line. Performance bike pundits generally lack perspective on what most bicyclists are looking to spend and what the overall marketplace's level of interest is in electronic shifting.
Chance of a new video 🙂Contact 'Sport RX' and get some cycling specific prescription glasses. I bough a pair of Rudy Project, varifocal and photochromic. preferred them to a pair of Oakleys that I used for 10 years. Showroom is Peterborough...Emily deserves them and you could right it against expenses....?
Great podcast this one! Panda pops caught me off guard 😂, no idea how you guys had such a serious chat without breaking face. I love panda pops, red one was the bee's knees! Do it Francis 🙏!
I did email you a few weeks ago and asked whether Hexham was safer for cycling (NO BIKEJACKING GANGS, thuggery). Sadly, you have confirmed it is no better tha SE Lndon. Any tips about emmigrating to Northern Spain?
Wahoo is also a pelagic fish. They are quite delicious! A Barrister did a follow up to this. Cyclist are NOT subject to speed limits. This is also a matter of PHYSICS P=MV. The mass M of a motor car is much greater, at least by a factor of 10, and presents a much greater risk. ROADs and associated SPEED LIMITS are set based on Engineering a.k.a. PHYSICS. To make it equivalent the speed limits for cyclist would be 10 times greater than those for motor vehicles.
I get us Americans forgetting Campy offers 12 speed, mechanical, rim brake at both the Chorus and Record levels, but you Euros have no excuse! Chainreaction has a full Chorus groupset for $1100, and was recently at 950 iirc. It's more expensive than 105, but not absurdly so, especially if you're doing a complete newbuild with Campy freehubs.
Shimano would be smart introducing a “heritage” groupo using the best mechanical tech from “peak mechanical” late 80s early 90s. Of course it would be all SILVER. Would sell like hotcakes.
Speed & bikes... Where I reside - Bicycles are considered "vehicles" when being operated "on the road" - and must obey both National & Local traffic laws... If the laws in the UK don't apply to cyclists - do you not need to stop for signs / signals ? - not yield the right of way ? - drive against the flow of traffic ?... Surely this can not be the case - there would be dead cyclists everywhere - - OR PERHAPS this is why you seem to think that the general populus in the UK HATE cyclists - for this very attitude that the rules of the road don't apply to me ?? IMO Not every cyclist that spin his SL8 up to 40mph downhill into a village has the reaction times or is necessarily paying attention well enough to avoid a calamity...I've met MANY "low performance" cyclists riding "high performance" bikes...
Hi guys, I really like the bike shop vibe rather than the studio. Just so we're on tje same page when you say that the new 105 is under 1k and the old one is £740 more expensive than the DI2?? the DI2 IS 1k already?? Google every bike shop that have decent sales on. Sigma has or had for a long while the Ultegra di2 for £1350. Surely 105 is not kore expensive than that....
“It would be better … if anyone on a bike was regulated in the same way as anyone in a car.” I don’t think Jimmy believes this for a single minute - OR that Jimmy doesn’t understand that extent of the regulation on drivers and cars. The consequence of his statement is cyclists requiring: - Driving licence for a bicyle. - MOT on a bicycle over 3yrs old. - Compulsory third-party insurance. - Registration plates. - Indicators - No riding off road trails - No riding on pavements (yes, I know it’s unlawful, but it’s subject to public policy which discourages enforcement, esp for children and those riding carefully and slowly whereas any driving on a pavement could see prosecution). - Liability for breath-testing and enforceable drink-ride limits. - Points system for the bicycle licence, with disqualification periods for serial offenders. I have to wonder whether he would also like full crash helmets as worn by motorcyclists, given those regulations for two-wheeled riders? Is that really what he meant or did he say something he didn’t actually mean?! It’s obvious by the end of that section that he doesn’t really mean what he says because he’s ultimately arguing against compulsory registration plates for bicycles. Guess what Jimmy, registration plates are compulsory regulation on cars, which is the phrase you opened with! So you obviously don’t believe what you say.
RE speed limits etc - I spend 99% of my time riding on the road because cycling infrastructure in the UK sucks, it's terrible and borderline dangerous at times. If there were proper segregated cycle lanes in the UK then I wouldn't bother riding on the road anywhere near as much and wouldn't cause a minority of drivers to rage at cyclists, plus there would be less need for draconian enforcement like rOaD tAx etc. Maybe that just makes sense in my head though. 😄 Keep up the good working, really enjoyed every single pod 👍 Edit: Panda pops - I would suggest "pump action Francis pops" but that sounds a little bit inappropriate!
I wish the new 105 12-sp was mechanical disc brakes too (not to mention a rim brake version). Oh well, I can buy a full Ultegra 11-sp, rim brake on Merlin for $750. Plus no need to upgrade wheels.
Hey guys, I am thinking to buy my first road bike and am very keen to get a Canyon but struggling with size. I am 180cm with inseam length 83cm which is according to Canyon size M but it’s close to size S. Unfortunately there isn’t any bike fitting shop in my area nor a shop selling Canyon bikes. Shop I been to recommended to get bike size 56 if I opt out to go for something else than a Canyon which I believe is too big. What do you guys think? Appreciate your advice.
Bikes don't have a speedo (by default) so you can't say they are speeding with their own knowledge. Over the years I've twice had thieves try to take the bike from under me. First near Meadowhall, Sheffield in the 90s. I was attacked by a guy with a pole who tried to push me off with it. I think I broke his arm as I grabbed & twisted the pole rapidly. In Central Sheffield two lads threw half a brick at my head and as I bled I gave one of them a good kicking as the smaller one fled. There's an advert for wearing a helmet! I'm not hard, but I was bloody angry! I've owned 2 Ribbles. A lovely steel frame in 96 and an alu one later after I was hit on a roundabout in 2006. The alu one was a cheap frame rebadged. Not great. Never had a carbon bike
You should ask Katie Butler about Ribble, they sponsor her + they do offer tons of customization of components & paint schemes for some of their bikes. Also: GCN _UA-cam_ is terrible/over-rated.
I don't think it would be feasible for bikes to have enforced speed limits, anyway. Not everyone has a computer that tells them how fast they are going, and unless you're a super athlete, you'll spend most of your time below 30mph unless in a descent. Sure, if you bomb downhill at 40pmh in a 20mph school zone you deserve to get punished, but if you're sensible there should be no reason to breach the speed limit. Also, a hypothetical: Say there's enforcement for bikes obeying speed limits and you've gone out for a ride. On your route there is a long downhill in a 30 or a 20 zone. Bikes don't have engine breaking, so you'll have to ride your breaks, either cooking and warping your disks or oberheating your rims and risking blowout.
I feel that cyclist should stick to speed limit. What is the diference between cyclics and motocylcist? I'm a 100kg cyclist and I think that my stopping distance (hydraulic 105) from 50km/h is longer than stopping distance of a motorcycle with that same speed. And if I hit a child / old person with 50km/h i think that there would be some sirious injuries. On the road there are road rules and i think that anybody who is using the road, they should obbey the rules
Just been knocked off by a Fucktard in a car who couldn't cope with me doing 35 kmh in a 50kmh zone in a built up area; yep, my collar bone is broken (can't be arsed going to hospital to wait 6 hours for an x-ray). Despite the drivers action being deliberate, they classed this as road rage incident and refused to deal with the driver. Being a cyclist is depressing.
Regarding speed limits: 1) as an American, it’s surprising to hear that motorists get fined for exceeding the limit by 9mph. Here, that’s a regular occurrence that rarely gets ticketed. 2) cyclists here share the road with cars and are subject to the same rules of the road (as it should be). 3) Local laws will vary everywhere, as will enforcement, so it’s impossible to generalize how this should be handled.
Cars on public roads should have to obey speed limits 100% of the time. If people want to enjoy speed take up another hobby e.g. downhill MTB or actual motor racing - not blasting around our public spaces in private metal boxes weighing several tons.
Jimmy, Francis is right. Cyclist haters won't stop by having the same rules. In Belgium bikes must follow the low speed limit 30km/h and it doesn't matter, they still hate you 😅
Among the various arguments about laws applying to cyclists what is usually missed is enforcement. Police forces are already stretched so adding more laws that they are suppose to enforce isn't likely to work. In my location the multi-use paths have a speed limit of 20kph which is not adhered to. Worse yet is electric vehicles (non-pedaled) which rip the paths up with zero enforcement. Heck watching out for idiot walkers (phone zombies and the ear-plug hearing impaired) is a fulltime hazard when using a regular bike and would be a total disaster if one of them were hit by one of these electric mopeds. Again zero law enforcement involved.
27:43. If i drive my car and theres a car behind me, 99.999% of the time, the vechle behind acknowledges me and respect the fact that im in front of them. If im cycling, drivers often have the 'i must get infront mentality' if im going going a few mph slower that what the driver wants me to go. If its a 20mph zone, im not challaned if im driving at 18mph, but i will be challanged amd passed if im cycling at 18mph.
Regarding your possible attempted robbery. Trust your first instinct it’s usually correct. I strongly believe we still have that animal instinct of when something isn’t right.
GCN is crazy overrated. Yes, every now and then there is a decent video about some trip but the rest is just blunt advertising and even their "sciency guy" doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. Do they still answer tech questions? Last time I watched it, it was hard to endure as it turned into a way for them to regularly showcase that they don't actually know what "exponential" means. The only one I find somewhat entertaining is Si Richardson.
in germany speeding on the bike is the same it seems. but running a red light gets punished like in a car. you get a point on your license, heavy fine possibly more. but the argument for speeding: a bike: 10kg. a car 1,5t+ also bike is small you allways have some space to try to dodge so l don't think speeding should be punished like that. unless it's like super reckless riding (fixie riders in NYC or something, crazy how that is apparently legal)
What’s wrong with planetx? I like Ribble, I was contemplating upgrading to either a ribble or a canyon. As for the yobbos, this country is going to the pits, it makes me so sad.
In fact, when it comes to speed limits, it's important not to lose sight of the fact that they have been calculated for motorized vehicles with a certain mass and braking capacity. A car does not have the same braking distance as a bicycle at equivalent speeds. So, let's say we choose to actually impose the speed limit for bicycles, in particular to protect children, the elderly, etc. In fact, we'd have to set two separate speed limits for bikes and cars. In the same way that trucks can't travel at the same speed as cars on the freeway, for example. And then we'd probably have a 45km/h limit for bikes and a 30km/h limit for cars, for example.
Sorry Jimmy I disagree. This post from the Police in this case did NOT include a clarification that the speed limit didn’t apply to bicycles, so the comments section was full of hateful ignorant drivers, further damaging the perception of perfectly legal cycling. It was laid out as a public service announcement for cyclists, but was nothing more than a click bait post aimed at getting views and engagement.
Think Jimmy wants a job in police force the way he going on about rules! If all car drivers drive by the Highway Code and laws of the land then us cyclists would be far safer as would pedestrians! Also pedestrians on phone step out into the road without looking which is much more dangerous than a cyclist speeding… Come on Jimmy you normally have some good counter arguments but this one is flawed.
Jimmi, the Range Rover driver who nearly skimmed my elbow on 38CM drop bars, isn't gonna give me a wide berth if I have to pay £1 a year VED, insurance, display registration and have a speedometer. He's gonna do the same thing because some people are murderous drivers.
Yeah Jimmy has this so wrong. We are already riding legally and within the regulations - as were the cyclists in the police video - yet read the comments comments under it. As you say - makes no difference to ignorant people.
The guy who knocked me off with his wing mirror on his van was not murderous or intentional, just unobservant and probably on his phone. He did get prosecuted. Somehow I didn't break any bones, just some concussion
@@arundelnet They intentionally drove while not paying attention, they (may have) internationally drove while using their phone - do you think you paying a VED equivalent would have changed that?
Don't these clowns make you laugh every time they shout out of their car window that you have no insurance nor pay road tax ! It's like what does that have to do with the price of tomatoes ???
Yea
Jimmy makes an excellent point that speeding is another stick for disgruntled drivers to beat us. One difference between bikes and cars is that on a bike you are more vulnerable, so you will be more observant and cautious. A friend did motorcross. When he got new body armour he was immediately faster - on the same bike and track. Feel safe, go faster and vice versa.
Would love to see some candid footage from the ridealong.
Since you had a brief appearance in the Sigma Sports video from the Stone Circle, I have to ask: can you get Matt Stephens in for one of the podcasts...?
“All words are noises, if you say them” - Francis Cade
Word.
@@DMurdockIt’s a woise
I feel like the Shimano 105 mechanical is for people want a higher end bike but refuse to go electric (repairability or so)
Was just waiting for GCN to pop up in underrated overrated 😂 Racing coverage is amazing, I also love their travel videos as well as weird races (Dr. Bridgewood racing 1000km, for example), great content. However, some stuff has just been recycled so damn much like "how to clean your bike" being reuploaded anytime a company sponsors them a pressure washer. Generally enjoy most of their content for whom it is aimed at.
I wonder how many videos there are already about "Amateur on a super bike vs pro on a entry level bike"
Now, come on guys! GCN has brought so much bike content and races available to us, the masses. It is amazing and helped cycling. And they have great commentators, they keep it fun, etc. I've followed you guys, Francis, Julliet, some other riders and GCN for years. All of you have shared with the world all the fun of cycling!
Completely agree. I started watching GMBN years ago, then switched to GCN and the last channel for me to follow was Francis
Glad you are both okay after the attempted robbery. As an ex-detective in London, can I tell you, please be careful. Clearly these two idiots aren’t very adept, but if you are unfortunately faced with this again, and there is a weapon shown or intimated, just give them what they demand. More experienced wrong ‘uns will not hesitate to use it, believe me. Bikes are replaceable. You’re not. Best wishes to you both 😊
I wonder how many people conceal carry while riding in the states 🤔
not as many as you'd think. There's barely any cyclists in the midwest and both coasts arent friendly to carrying guns on a bike. plus most riders in the states aren't keen on guns themselves. @@LastAphelion
@@johnrafael4110 Its weird, I live in gun country but its hard imaging the same people I know with guns on bikes. Not trying to stereotype, it's just strange not to meet people interested in both. They usually love things with wheels, speed, and dirtbikes
This is the UK. Criminals rule and you piggies are too fat and lazy to do your job. If you defend yourself, you'll do more time than any thief or robber.
Notice the ex-detective says ‘replaceable’ not ‘recoverable’ 😉
I got a new Ribble a few weeks ago, £800 for a full carbon frame with Tiagra. Banging value for money and it rides gorgeous
Great deal 😎
Tiagra is the true people's groupset, works flawlessly can have more the 11 speed 105 by using a 10 speed 11-36 cassette and has options for both rim and disk brakes.
I don’t think being regulated in the same way would make a difference to anti cyclists. You always see them saying cyclists run red lights, where I love the ratio of motor vehicles jumping red lights to cyclists is 99% vehicles 1% bikes, and let’s face it accidents will be worse from a motor vehicle jumping a red
Agreed. Anti cyclist will keep being anti no matter how much you try. Lets not give up the great things of cycling for no reason
"All words are noises" you're so wise Francis 😅
Regarding the speed topic - I think the important thing to consider is the braking distance at a certain speed as well as the potential impact area. On a bike I can slow down or stop in a relatively short distance and swerving a bit to the side likely avoids a collision, a 2m+ wide car not so much. Also, as a cyclist I can be incredibly aware of my surroundings, in a sound-proofed metal box not so much.
Re regulation. The underpinning element to this for cyclists, walkers and horse riders is that they all have a right to be on the road. Thus the reg of cyclists would require a change in the law. We dont need a change in law we need a change of culture.....see northern france.
I think this argument is invalid of you're in a group, if you're on a group ride the stopping distance is greatly increased.
That's a really good point. @@Tobi25111
I don't think following speed limits on a bike would change anything, 99% of the times, being mindful of your speed and your surroundings will already do the job and will make you and your riding the safest it could be.
That said, being mindful of where you are and how fast you're going is like the most basic thing on cycling, although some people forget to do it every now and then.
Now if we could just get pedestrians to not walk out of the sidewalk and etc without a care of the world that'd be also amazing, but that's a losing battle.
So you really think, you can stop your bike quicker then a car can at the same speed?
This episode was super polished (lighting, production, sound) Loads better than earlier ones. Nice one guys and Emily behind the scenes I'm guessing!
The speed limits also means that a car is expecting someone coming along the road to be going the speed limit. So if they pull out and you're going a lot faster than they expect it could end badly for the cyclist
28:15
"so the same applies to a car then"
ABSOLUTELY NOT
Two lads in london tried knocking me off my bike near Tottenham hale. wearing balaclavas... didnt realise im 6'10 and 130kg hahaha
Interesting yeah I think a key point with speed limits is that not many cyclists have a display of their speed on their bikes (I don’t). Enforcing this would mean everyone would need to use a phone/bike computer head unit, which in turn would lead to all bikes having to be sold with one. For less experienced riders, looking at their speed would mean they’re not looking at the road so this would likely increase accidents, but with e-bikes becoming so prevalent I guess this issue will be discussed more and more from here on out…
The other thing to consider is the mass of a car versus a bike. At any given speed the mass of a car is going to cause much more damage than a bike. That also affects stopping times.
I mean I feel the problem with all those arguments is that they can apply to cars as well. Want fewer pedestrian accidents? Have fewer pedestrians and more drivers. Seatbelts are “barriers to entry”, etc. any sort of restriction is met with cries of “oh this makes less accessible!” Other activities are the problem, not mine, I should be able to do whatever I want.
@@SoJahSeh91the difference being that the cost for bringing in the regulation and administrating it would far outweigh the benefit - this cannot be said for the safety features in cars. It’s the same for a ‘road tax’ for bicycles - it would cost way more to send the letter out than they get back in tax.
When it comes to the speed limit issue I try to abide by a few personal rules. outside of town my speed is regulated by conditions. Then when I get to a town and/or get onto a multiuse path I slow down. I feel these rules help to make care drivers less angry, and pedestrians and myself safer. It is all about curtesy.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Logic enters the room. Careful with that!
I agree. But I love how it's always the people driving the things that cause 43,000 deaths a year in the US alone are always pointing the fingers at cyclists. Jeeesus.
I'm not a fast cyclist. I'm not a trained cyclist. My top speed on flat, ever , is 45 kmh. Sure I go slower if the infrastructure doesn't allow more but it should allow me to go as fast as I can. It does for cars to go50. N I can listen to some ........ Say I'm going to fast if I go 35.
German speaking here: My main argument on speed limits for bikes and general abidance to the applicable road laws is "anticipation". Crossings, right of way, overtaking etc. in an interaction based scenario are significantly safer if everyone can properly anticipate other people's actions, because all follow the same set of rules.
Just as an example, motorists pull out in front of me regularly against the traffic laws, because they expect the road cyclist to be as slow as the other pushbikers. Speeding would very often make it impossible to break in time, especially with a lot of traffic all around.
I'm glad Francis has a decent platform for his opinions. It's rare that you find people with reach who have ridden bikes enough to see how much of a joke the cycling vs anti-cycling discourse is... compared to a politician or driver who's never ridden a bike in their life. It's about appeasing drivers to maintain a status quo where they don't have to feel bad about their entitlement of taking up 5x the space of a bicycle, making 10x the noise, producing 100x the emissions, and killing 1000x the people. More people on bikes 100% is the thing that makes it safer
Yet another great episode. I want to point out that you totally nailed the audio, job well done!
‘Get a selfie with him. Get the thumbnail’ genuinely made me LOL! 😂
Glad you got away from that situation unscathed though.
Is a river. Has a viaduct *at the head* called Ribblehead. Also a Valley. Either side of the river. ;)
105 mechanical isn't exciting, but surely it's the most necessary? What? No rim-brake??!? Scrap my original comment.
Indeed - the folks who prefer mechanical to electric group sets tend to also prefer rim brakes. The idea is to keep things relatively simple, non-electric, and light weight.
Nice another podcast, I've been watching one per day this week. Studio's still missing a wacky waving inflatable tube man (and his fan, and a chance to make a Fantani pun)
Yeah it's much more fitting
Overrated/Underrated - Time bikes.
Are they as good as the “buzz” suggests?
If I ever get enough cash to buy a new bike, I’d be torn between Time or Custom Steel (just the two which appeal to me atm).
Underrated. One of the last few companies that makes their own carbon frames with a admittedly better method than the Chinese moulds still made in the EU (previously France now Slovakia with the same equipment) I have a Time Fluidity 2019 disc made in France. The build quality on them is insane I have the raw gloss carbon and any company willing to put their carbon weave on display (newer models paint over a lot granted). I've had only one issue and it was used error overtightened my seatpost and cracked it and have a new one showing up today. The bike feels great, stiff yet responsive, mine is about 7.2kg with assiamo duo shi pedals
@@Jeromin Thanks for for the detailed reply. They certainly look the part and haven’t heard anything but good things👍
RXSport do great prescription sun lenses for all of the major cycling brands of eyewear.
Can’t regulate speed limits on a bike because they don’t have speedometers and gps is not legally allowed to be used as primary speedometer. And the government have looked into regulating bikes like cars and it would cost so much to do vs any benefit it’s not worth the time. Cars have to have insurance because the level of damage they can cause is far beyond what someone is expected to reasonably be able to afford, not true of bikes. And force = mass * acceleration, most speed limits are set to protect people outside of cars, they amount of kinetic energy they carry is roughly 100 times more than that of a bike and is why they kill on average 5 people a day. Are you going to make 4 year olds get a license and get insurance?
Much as it bothers me, I believe Jimmy to be right: if as cyclists we were subject to the same regulations and penalties as drivers, at least they would find it harder to justify all that hatred some people show us out there on the roads
Contact lenses all the way. The only problem is if you need reading glasses 😞unless you get varidphocal contact lenses
I live in St Neots Cambridgeshire and there are a small number of lad’s who tear around on small off-road motorcycles with full balaclavas on, no helmets and usually sun glasses-the bikes are unregistered (not road legal) and look fairly intimidating. I haven’t heard of them doing anything other than being a bloody nuisance-yet.
Carbon fibre-yep, been there done that-I used to windsurf and masts and booms were made of carbon fibre-when they break you have to handle the bits VERY carefully-the splinters will work their way out eventually.
Glasses for riding-I used to wear glasses all the time for riding, I was short sighted and my glasses were photochromic so didn’t need sunglasses. This worked fine until I was knocked off my bike by a car, landed face down and trashed my glasses…… I have since had cataract operations on both eyes so now have 20:20 distance vision so can wear cycling sunglasses-but I have to wear reading glasses to read anything…….
Keep up the good work you guys. 👍
I grew up in Hackney and worked for Mosquito bikes in islington - I would say you escaped injury and theft that day. The number of people I have personally dealt with who have been injured by “scooter boys” either stealing their bikes at gun/knife point - or more commonly their panniers while commuting. The protagonists are nearly always teenagers…
getting really bored of this jimmy guy on the channel. he’s so boring and moody
I like Ribble because they do steel frames for an affordable price. I love my Endurance 725!
Speed limits are there for a reason. You are an idiot if you think you do not need to stick to them...
Ribble - they do a steel frame gravel - 'nough said :)
No speed limits tyvm. We need less laws for police to enforce.
With respect to the speed limits, I think they are particularly important in the age of e-bikes. Those allow inexperienced riders to ride at speeds that can only be achieved after years of riding, amazing physical shape, excellent bike handling capabilities, etc. So, those folks are much more likely to hurt themselves and people walking. Hence, speed limits should be strongly enforced on all vehicles on the road. When e-bikes are regulated differently than normal bikes, require license tabs, a driver's license with permission to ride powered vehicles, rules about using helmets, etc, only then we can separate them from human-powered bikes.
E bikes have a motor and are subject to speed restrictions. Anything else is a motor bike and should be registered, mot'ed, taxed and insured.
Speed limits, traffic lights etc are infrastructure designed for motor vehicles based on their unique characteristics and the risks they pose. Blanket forcing those rules like for like onto people riding bikes - which obviously are hugely different things - makes absolutely no sense and is arbitrary nonsense!
Agree
Speaking as a Traffic Engineer, the primary purpose of speed limits (in terms of safety) is to mitigate the damage caused by a loss of control of the vehicle. Of course one of the other major concerns is the way small reductions in speed has a big impact on the survivability of a collision, however there is always an argument to be made about why a pedestrian has chose to cross the road at an arbitrary point rather than use provided infrastructure such as a zebra. Safety efforts are always focused on protecting vulnerable users (pedestrians, horse riders, elderly and infirm, etc).
This is why (alongside the mentioned difficulties of speedometers being absent on bicycles) the laws are as they are. The simple fact is that Bicycles cause a tiny fraction of injuries in road traffic collisions (RTC) and cause an almost immeasurable percent of fatalities in RTCs. By contrast, motor vehicles account for the vast majority of both lethal and non-lethal RTCs. Motor vehicles are enforced because their potential to do harm is extreme - even at speeds below 5mph a small car is a dangerous object and can kill. Cycles are unlikely to do serious harm at typical cycling speeds.
All road users are subject to the same guidance however - use common sense. While a Cyclist may not be required to adhere to the speed limit, they are required to ride in a considerate, responsible, and safe manner. On a country lane with no footways, a 40mph descent may be reasonable. On a village road with parked cars and pedestrians present, 40mph would usually be deemed irresponsible, and possibly dangerous, and this *is* a prosecutable offense.
End of the day, cyclists are unlikely to even be able to break the majority of speed limits. The reason these guys can do 39mph in this 30 is because they're riding a pace line on a descent, and they're roadies with aero kit - not just a couple of guys out for a family ride on dutch-style frames. Not only is the chances of the potential offense occurring so low, but the risk of injury is too, which is not to mention the difficulty of actually policing such an issue. "Are you aware of how fast you were going?" "No, pretty fast I suppose but being this is a push bike I've got absolutely no idea beyond my own blind guess"
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As for cycling glasses for prescription - I've recently invested in a pair of prescription shades. Originally I wanted a pair of oakleys however oakley only cater to a small amount of vision correction. In-fact at about -4.00 sph and -2 cyl in both eyes I was essentially forced to go with Bolle as the only company that would offer prescription for a 'visor' style pair of glasses. They're a bit small for my face I think, but otherwise the lenses are good and don't pain my eyes. They also don't steam up like inserts do. What is worth mentioning is that they make prescription lenses and then weld these into the visor, which means there is a fairly noticeable edge around the lenses and the lense coating is different on the basic visor than on the prescription lenses.
Personally I like them, and I think it was worth the money to get a good pair of glasses that will last and give me good vision on the roads. However the glasses/sunglasses I wear in day-to-day use work just as well and I could well have just stuck with those. Contact lenses could be a good option for some, I've never tried them as I don't like the idea of having to wear contacts any time I want to go for a ride.
This setup looks so much better and organic to yall personalities. And the audio is mwah
Having just used an SLX 12s cassette because my XTR went back under warranty (due to a creak) I don't think XTR is worth the (almost triple) money for 95% of riders.
Hey guys, love the videos. Just out of interest, what watches are you guys wearing? Not too sure on Jimmi’s strap colour choice but the watch itself looks mint 👍🏻
I’m wearing the Marq Aviator. And Francis the Garmin Epix 2 Pro.
Did you report the Bowes Moped incident to the Police? I ride around those lanes all the time! It needs reporting for sure.
Very dissapointed in you guys being supportive of drivers going over the speed limit 28:40.
Agree.
My friend and I ride bikes that are about $6k worth of bike - so we are always aware of whats going on - be careful out there guys -
Captain Negative was in full force today! Francis is so happy and polite, the contrast is funny.
Strikes me as a narrow minded guy. I think I'm done with this stuff.
@@SpillOppMaker When I was a kid I was very negative and argumentative like he is. I got beat so much I became a lot more calm by the time I was adult. lol
I do agree that the argumentative nature can be quite awkward at times though
@@jubeman Talk about negative and argumentative. Calm down and eat an edible @jubeman
Why you deleting comments?
In the US we have the Kia Boys. I know this since they ripped out the steering wheel column out of my car.
Commenting again to say I have the Ribble Ultra SL R with those crazy aero handlebars and I still love it! The turn blockers take some getting used to but many aero bikes are doing this now, especially with one piece bar and stems. The grippy coating on the drops is sufficient for me and I like the clean look of no bar tape!
I was one of the riders who got pulled over. The fact everyone is talking about this is crazy. Honestly i thought it was fair enough that he had a word, and then we carried on. I don't think sharing it on twitter was useful in any way though. That bit of road is straight and has plenty of visibility. Yes there is a crossing but you can see it from miles away. How many cars go down this hill every day at 40? Flipping loads.
In the USA, bicycles are considered vehicles and must obey speed limits. My buddy actually received a speeding citation on his bike for bombing down a street while a motorcycle cop was "preparing to direct school traffic" He has the ticket framed in his garage! 😆
GCN racing stuff is pretty good; however a lot of their channel output is repeated - and too much is performance orientated. They did some films 'Slow rides' with Jack Thurston which were very good; they need to do more of that type of stuff.
As for Panda Pops; there's surely a need for a Panda Pops energy drink..... 🤪
Stopped watching GCN a while back but watched them at the very begining. After a while as it goes with these niche channels the content got quite diluted and boring. But to see the guys who set it up bring it to a mainstream media and making a nice buck at the same time deserves some respect. Out of some small youtube idea to seing your logo beside eurosport must feel good. Not sure what they are up to these days but I’d say they swept all comptetition into some small corner.
31:00 No one has paid road tax since 1937 you pay vehicle tax and that's based upon your choice of vehicle, it's no one's fault but your own if you have an issue with someone paying less because they opted for a vehicle that is exempt from a tax that is based on many factors not just road conditioning. Which shows that even if cyclists had all the same laws applied with plates, certain people would find something else because really it just boils down to entitlement. I got called a wanker for someone pulling out on me at a roundabout today, accountability is good, and the world would have a lot less problems if people could hold up their hands more often. Sadly, people generally go the opposite way, especially on the roads. Backflipping Nan's are a menace, but we have to look out for them.
Great comment thank you!
I work not far from where your based in newcastle, we have had the moped guys around trying to steal motorbikes using cordless angle grinders, apparently northumbria police spend 2 hours chasing them with the helicopter recently and still couldnt catch them :(
Are you sure the groupset bundling website was not Merlin, they still do great deals on complete groupsets...
I’m torn about the whole gearing thing. I’ve taken to cycling over the last few years and my mileage, usage and (fairly modest) achievements so far in challenging myself, probably mean I’ve earned myself the right to a ‘decent’ bike for my 50th birthday next year. So I’m planning what I’ll hope for - big decision will be whether to go Di2 or stay mechanical, but I’m also really keen that I don’t really want or need 12-sp gearing. 11-sp is annoying enough - I probably enjoy my 9-sp gravel bike more than my 11-sp road bike but if I do want to go Di2, I either have to go 12-sp 105 or hope I can still find an 11-sp Ultegra.
Frustrating to have to choose.
Francis is 💯… regulations on bikes are STOOOOPID!! What’s next… mandatory reflectors????
…. You pay taxes… you BELONG on the roads!!!
Ribble Bikes - Based in Clitheroe in the Ribble Valley, in gods county Lancashire.... The Ribble Head Viaduct, is in dirty Yorkshire ha ha....
Was just at a shimano dealer day last week, mostly on cues but they also had the new 105 and GRX stuff there with an angry man making sure you didnt take photos.
The cues stuff is flat bar only and we only got "no comment" on drop bar versions but its all pretty low price
Prescription inserts work for me (Rudy Project, same ones for the last many years) but then occasionally it will get crap between the actual 'outside' glasses and the inserts, and you'll have to take out the insert gently (with fear that you'll either break it, or your frame) to clean it and put it back (it's actually sturdy but feels the tiny notches might be prone to breaking which would render the whole thing useless). Emily's insert issue could be related to her prescription 'numbers' or type, or just shoddy workmanship. I found a little shop in my home country/city that will do them well happily, if something happens to my inserts I'm hopping on a flight.
If you can get Disney to sponsor the channel then Jimmi can get unlimited number of other Grogu things and not just a Garmin VivoFit Jr 3.
PandaPops can have Pump Action Francis on them.
I think GCN is still underrated including their YT channel, even with the occasional heavily sponsored bad video. I acknowledge they were overrated in the past when they overdid sponsors.
It's important to have a performance level groupset with mechanical shifting. Hope Shimano holds this line. Performance bike pundits generally lack perspective on what most bicyclists are looking to spend and what the overall marketplace's level of interest is in electronic shifting.
Chance of a new video 🙂Contact 'Sport RX' and get some cycling specific prescription glasses. I bough a pair of Rudy Project, varifocal and photochromic. preferred them to a pair of Oakleys that I used for 10 years. Showroom is Peterborough...Emily deserves them and you could right it against expenses....?
Great podcast this one! Panda pops caught me off guard 😂, no idea how you guys had such a serious chat without breaking face.
I love panda pops, red one was the bee's knees! Do it Francis 🙏!
I am glad we officially have one customer already
😂exactly
@@Cade_Mediaif you were to have a bash at restoring a former fizzy drinks company you’d officially have two customers 👍
@@Cade_MediaI recommend "Cade Cola" if you can't get the rights to Panda pops
I did email you a few weeks ago and asked whether Hexham was safer for cycling (NO BIKEJACKING GANGS, thuggery). Sadly, you have confirmed it is no better tha SE Lndon.
Any tips about emmigrating to Northern Spain?
Wahoo is also a pelagic fish. They are quite delicious!
A Barrister did a follow up to this. Cyclist are NOT subject to speed limits. This is also a matter of PHYSICS P=MV. The mass M of a motor car is much greater, at least by a factor of 10, and presents a much greater risk. ROADs and associated SPEED LIMITS are set based on Engineering a.k.a. PHYSICS. To make it equivalent the speed limits for cyclist would be 10 times greater than those for motor vehicles.
I get us Americans forgetting Campy offers 12 speed, mechanical, rim brake at both the Chorus and Record levels, but you Euros have no excuse! Chainreaction has a full Chorus groupset for $1100, and was recently at 950 iirc. It's more expensive than 105, but not absurdly so, especially if you're doing a complete newbuild with Campy freehubs.
Shimano would be smart introducing a “heritage” groupo using the best mechanical tech from “peak mechanical” late 80s early 90s. Of course it would be all SILVER. Would sell like hotcakes.
Speed & bikes...
Where I reside - Bicycles are considered "vehicles" when being operated "on the road" - and must obey both National & Local traffic laws...
If the laws in the UK don't apply to cyclists - do you not need to stop for signs / signals ? - not yield the right of way ? - drive against the flow of traffic ?... Surely this can not be the case - there would be dead cyclists everywhere - - OR PERHAPS this is why you seem to think that the general populus in the UK HATE cyclists - for this very attitude that the rules of the road don't apply to me ??
IMO Not every cyclist that spin his SL8 up to 40mph downhill into a village has the reaction times or is necessarily paying attention well enough to avoid a calamity...I've met MANY "low performance" cyclists riding "high performance" bikes...
44:07 Ridiculously aero, custom paintjob, 12speed ultegra di2 for £4.5k. I can’t complain about that
Hi guys, I really like the bike shop vibe rather than the studio.
Just so we're on tje same page when you say that the new 105 is under 1k and the old one is £740 more expensive than the DI2?? the DI2 IS 1k already?? Google every bike shop that have decent sales on. Sigma has or had for a long while the Ultegra di2 for £1350. Surely 105 is not kore expensive than that....
“It would be better … if anyone on a bike was regulated in the same way as anyone in a car.”
I don’t think Jimmy believes this for a single minute - OR that Jimmy doesn’t understand that extent of the regulation on drivers and cars.
The consequence of his statement is cyclists requiring:
- Driving licence for a bicyle.
- MOT on a bicycle over 3yrs old.
- Compulsory third-party insurance.
- Registration plates.
- Indicators
- No riding off road trails
- No riding on pavements (yes, I know it’s unlawful, but it’s subject to public policy which discourages enforcement, esp for children and those riding carefully and slowly whereas any driving on a pavement could see prosecution).
- Liability for breath-testing and enforceable drink-ride limits.
- Points system for the bicycle licence, with disqualification periods for serial offenders.
I have to wonder whether he would also like full crash helmets as worn by motorcyclists, given those regulations for two-wheeled riders? Is that really what he meant or did he say something he didn’t actually mean?!
It’s obvious by the end of that section that he doesn’t really mean what he says because he’s ultimately arguing against compulsory registration plates for bicycles. Guess what Jimmy, registration plates are compulsory regulation on cars, which is the phrase you opened with! So you obviously don’t believe what you say.
RE speed limits etc - I spend 99% of my time riding on the road because cycling infrastructure in the UK sucks, it's terrible and borderline dangerous at times. If there were proper segregated cycle lanes in the UK then I wouldn't bother riding on the road anywhere near as much and wouldn't cause a minority of drivers to rage at cyclists, plus there would be less need for draconian enforcement like rOaD tAx etc. Maybe that just makes sense in my head though. 😄 Keep up the good working, really enjoyed every single pod 👍
Edit: Panda pops - I would suggest "pump action Francis pops" but that sounds a little bit inappropriate!
I wish the new 105 12-sp was mechanical disc brakes too (not to mention a rim brake version). Oh well, I can buy a full Ultegra 11-sp, rim brake on Merlin for $750. Plus no need to upgrade wheels.
Ribble also sponsored a Tour de France femme team Lifeplus-Wahoo
Hey guys, I am thinking to buy my first road bike and am very keen to get a Canyon but struggling with size. I am 180cm with inseam length 83cm which is according to Canyon size M but it’s close to size S. Unfortunately there isn’t any bike fitting shop in my area nor a shop selling Canyon bikes. Shop I been to recommended to get bike size 56 if I opt out to go for something else than a Canyon which I believe is too big. What do you guys think? Appreciate your advice.
Bikes don't have a speedo (by default) so you can't say they are speeding with their own knowledge.
Over the years I've twice had thieves try to take the bike from under me. First near Meadowhall, Sheffield in the 90s. I was attacked by a guy with a pole who tried to push me off with it. I think I broke his arm as I grabbed & twisted the pole rapidly. In Central Sheffield two lads threw half a brick at my head and as I bled I gave one of them a good kicking as the smaller one fled. There's an advert for wearing a helmet! I'm not hard, but I was bloody angry!
I've owned 2 Ribbles. A lovely steel frame in 96 and an alu one later after I was hit on a roundabout in 2006. The alu one was a cheap frame rebadged. Not great. Never had a carbon bike
You should ask Katie Butler about Ribble, they sponsor her + they do offer tons of customization of components & paint schemes for some of their bikes. Also: GCN _UA-cam_ is terrible/over-rated.
I don't think it would be feasible for bikes to have enforced speed limits, anyway. Not everyone has a computer that tells them how fast they are going, and unless you're a super athlete, you'll spend most of your time below 30mph unless in a descent.
Sure, if you bomb downhill at 40pmh in a 20mph school zone you deserve to get punished, but if you're sensible there should be no reason to breach the speed limit.
Also, a hypothetical: Say there's enforcement for bikes obeying speed limits and you've gone out for a ride. On your route there is a long downhill in a 30 or a 20 zone. Bikes don't have engine breaking, so you'll have to ride your breaks, either cooking and warping your disks or oberheating your rims and risking blowout.
"Francis Pops"....sounds like a cade media episode, that goes badly wrong....
People who hate cyclists are not rational. Regulating cyclists like cars would not fix irrational people’s behavior.
I feel that cyclist should stick to speed limit. What is the diference between cyclics and motocylcist?
I'm a 100kg cyclist and I think that my stopping distance (hydraulic 105) from 50km/h is longer than stopping distance of a motorcycle with that same speed. And if I hit a child / old person with 50km/h i think that there would be some sirious injuries.
On the road there are road rules and i think that anybody who is using the road, they should obbey the rules
Just been knocked off by a Fucktard in a car who couldn't cope with me doing 35 kmh in a 50kmh zone in a built up area; yep, my collar bone is broken (can't be arsed going to hospital to wait 6 hours for an x-ray). Despite the drivers action being deliberate, they classed this as road rage incident and refused to deal with the driver. Being a cyclist is depressing.
Regarding speed limits: 1) as an American, it’s surprising to hear that motorists get fined for exceeding the limit by 9mph. Here, that’s a regular occurrence that rarely gets ticketed. 2) cyclists here share the road with cars and are subject to the same rules of the road (as it should be). 3) Local laws will vary everywhere, as will enforcement, so it’s impossible to generalize how this should be handled.
Cars on public roads should have to obey speed limits 100% of the time. If people want to enjoy speed take up another hobby e.g. downhill MTB or actual motor racing - not blasting around our public spaces in private metal boxes weighing several tons.
jimmy, just switch allegiance to Newcastle United? They are on the tv a lot,.. shouldn’t be a problem in the North East? 😂😂😂
Jimmy, Francis is right. Cyclist haters won't stop by having the same rules. In Belgium bikes must follow the low speed limit 30km/h and it doesn't matter, they still hate you 😅
Among the various arguments about laws applying to cyclists what is usually missed is enforcement. Police forces are already stretched so adding more laws that they are suppose to enforce isn't likely to work. In my location the multi-use paths have a speed limit of 20kph which is not adhered to. Worse yet is electric vehicles (non-pedaled) which rip the paths up with zero enforcement. Heck watching out for idiot walkers (phone zombies and the ear-plug hearing impaired) is a fulltime hazard when using a regular bike and would be a total disaster if one of them were hit by one of these electric mopeds. Again zero law enforcement involved.
27:43. If i drive my car and theres a car behind me, 99.999% of the time, the vechle behind acknowledges me and respect the fact that im in front of them. If im cycling, drivers often have the 'i must get infront mentality' if im going going a few mph slower that what the driver wants me to go. If its a 20mph zone, im not challaned if im driving at 18mph, but i will be challanged amd passed if im cycling at 18mph.
Regarding your possible attempted robbery. Trust your first instinct it’s usually correct. I strongly believe we still have that animal instinct of when something isn’t right.
GCN is crazy overrated. Yes, every now and then there is a decent video about some trip but the rest is just blunt advertising and even their "sciency guy" doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. Do they still answer tech questions? Last time I watched it, it was hard to endure as it turned into a way for them to regularly showcase that they don't actually know what "exponential" means. The only one I find somewhat entertaining is Si Richardson.
in germany speeding on the bike is the same it seems. but running a red light gets punished like in a car. you get a point on your license, heavy fine possibly more. but the argument for speeding: a bike: 10kg. a car 1,5t+ also bike is small you allways have some space to try to dodge so l don't think speeding should be punished like that. unless it's like super reckless riding (fixie riders in NYC or something, crazy how that is apparently legal)
What’s wrong with planetx?
I like Ribble, I was contemplating upgrading to either a ribble or a canyon.
As for the yobbos, this country is going to the pits, it makes me so sad.
My friend and I bought Ribble Gravel bikes just before the first lockdown, nice spec for the price, but the build quality leaves a bit to be desired.
In fact, when it comes to speed limits, it's important not to lose sight of the fact that they have been calculated for motorized vehicles with a certain mass and braking capacity. A car does not have the same braking distance as a bicycle at equivalent speeds. So, let's say we choose to actually impose the speed limit for bicycles, in particular to protect children, the elderly, etc. In fact, we'd have to set two separate speed limits for bikes and cars. In the same way that trucks can't travel at the same speed as cars on the freeway, for example. And then we'd probably have a 45km/h limit for bikes and a 30km/h limit for cars, for example.
Sorry Jimmy I disagree. This post from the Police in this case did NOT include a clarification that the speed limit didn’t apply to bicycles, so the comments section was full of hateful ignorant drivers, further damaging the perception of perfectly legal cycling. It was laid out as a public service announcement for cyclists, but was nothing more than a click bait post aimed at getting views and engagement.
Think Jimmy wants a job in police force the way he going on about rules! If all car drivers drive by the Highway Code and laws of the land then us cyclists would be far safer as would pedestrians!
Also pedestrians on phone step out into the road without looking which is much more dangerous than a cyclist speeding…
Come on Jimmy you normally have some good counter arguments but this one is flawed.
100% with the contacts. I use daily disposables for bike rides and surfing.