40 plus years later and the biz exposed, there is still some crazy tension in this unique video…Love how Roop sounds like he can’t wait to do the whole series RIGHT NOW
What's crazy to me is Bob Roop revealing the business, when his job used to be injuring guys to dissuade them from being wrestlers and show them the sport was real.
Wow, I’ve never seen this. Only heard about it over the years. Pretty wild stuff when considering the implications of it had been released and who participated. Tales From The Territories SE Championship episode sent me searching for it. Thanks for the upload!
I mean it never aired. Lol so you wouldn't have known about it until well after unless you were in the industry. So it wasn't a top anything to anyone unless you were involved
@@edwardmarkins2710 🤣🤣🤣 oh my you got me....no wait there you go making more stuff up. Also think about It.....is that really a brag to have forgotten more than someone else? So let's say it's true... you're telling me you have no life? Nice flex bro
I've been watching early 80s mid-south, and was just thinking how underrated Bob Roop was. So I looked him up in detail, and found out about this video which I was not aware of. What's the story behind this? Was it ever released? How could Roop continue to work in the business after this? And is that Ronnie Garvin? Wouldn't expect him to do this. This is kind of fascinating
didn't release it. the story is, roop wanted to takeover robert fuller's territory; not BUY it, take it over. he was unsuccessful, so this was his going away present to the territory. things were local back then. and contrary to what they will tell you, people knew it was a show for the most part. fuller did sell the territory but not to roop. don't know how he got the other to participate. eddie mansfield's career was killed due to showing some secrets, but that was on a national show. harley race also appeared on some expose in the 80s, and nobody holds it against him. so you never know with this stuff
Most people believe these 5 were paid by Jim Barnett to "bury" this seeing how Fuller wasnt given in to their demands & most people in the biz have just now found out about this plan B so no 1 knew to blackball these 5 even though these was Roop`s 2nd aiiempt @ taking a terriotory by these means
@@jeffakin3095Roy Shire exposed the business somewhere around this time even worse than Roop as he actually published a four page exposé in the LA Times Newspaper.
How the hell did any of these guys ever work in wrestling again? Even knowing it was never released, just the fact that such a tape *existed* was the sort of thing that should have gotten them blackballed from the business, by all tradition and logic. The amazing part of this isn't that the tape was made, it's that it was allowed to survive long enough to leak out...
@@toysorbust I have trouble believing this. There's no point in making such a tape as a "Plan B" for getting more money/control out of a promoter if you then keep it completely secret. The whole point is blackmailing him into agreeing to your demands; if you don't tell him that you have it and will release it if they aren't met, then you've just A) wasted your time and money on making the tape, and 2) created something that puts your job's very existence at risk, all for no gain. I'm pretty damned sure that Ron Fuller, at the very least, knew it existed, which is part of why he decided that promoting Knoxville wasn't worth the trouble any more and sold the territory. And if *he* knew, then you can bet he would have told other promoters, so they'd know and be able to avoid being blackmailed in the same way. Which, then, leads me to again wondering why anyone was willing to hire any of these guys ever again.
Wrestlers don't get blackballed. That's just a lie the old timers say. If it was the case no one would know New Jacks name. That pos should have never been booked anywhere....ever!
@Bill Blaski Nobody cares more about protecting the business than Cornette. So I can only imagine his thoughts on wrestlers he respected possibly blowing the whistle on the industry just as he was getting started.
Lots of people, wrestling even way back had a strong base of people who would remark if someone spoke of pro wrestling...''oh you know, all that stuff is fake!'' it did not take a genius even back in the 50's watching someone like Gorgeous George to see the theatrics and acted out nature of the so called violence. Many more people willingly believed but trust me, a large portion just dismissed it as the theatre which it is.
41!!!? That's only 4 years more than me. He looks late 50's, stressful business, bad diet and lack of sleep coupled with drink and drug ...sht ages you real quick. 😱
I never knew about this. These are all ICW investers in the year they made the investment. Roop tells us he was paid more than “a government job, a teacher, a coach, countless other good jobs”in the beginning then portrays he and his breathen as “prostitutes”in summation. What a load of crap.
After seeing Bob Roop hurting that guy trying to get into wrestling I never cared for him. I always wanted to see karma on him.After doing this he should have been black balled. He’s an all around jerk.
Well, he got the sh*t kicked out of him on at least 2 occasions by Dick Slater so I guess that's something. Bob used to be Bill Watts "shooter" who he would use to break in potential wrestlers. He tried it on Slater and, being Slater was a bad dude, it didn't end well for Roop. Then Roop apparently tried Dick again later on and got more of the same.
I'd always heard of this but never have I seen it until now...and it's hard to believe that after all this ron Garvin got to hold the world's heavy weight title...it's probably a good thing Harley race want the champion instead of flair...race would killed him
I have heard about this, and others involved. ..leaves a bitter taste in my mouth over this.. only one guy escaped my disdain over this, I won't say who...
Remember they never said wrestling is definitely not fake but they said it was definitely predetermined which I always knew as a young kid at 9 uears old when I started watching professional wrestling wat back in 1980
If I remember correctly these guys mostly Roop were trying to run a promotion in the same place as someone else and were going to do it to kill the business if they didn't get their way. Promotional wars got crazy back in the day. This was like the nuclear option, kind of a mutually assured destruction.
If this video had been released and distributed to the general public back then I can picture Bob Orton Jr on the Morton Downey Jr show proclaiming wrestling is fake in front of a furiously irate Dr D screaming on him. Lmao. The MDJ Show was a total gimmick revealed in a documentary yrs later. lol Interesting that MDJ would make an appearance at WM. He must have been in on the act all along.
Orton,Garvin what were they thinking??? Young guys throwing their careers away...They are lucky this was buried...they would have never worked again if anyone saw this..........having said that the stuff they're complaining about is completely true
They pretty much wanted to get back at guys like Fuller and Barnett, who were part of the NWA sanctioned promotion. Roop and the other guys in this video were part of the promotion that ran in opposition to the Fuller's promotion. This pretty much was their way of saying that if we're going down they were going to take the Fuller's down with them.
I drank a beer with Ronnie Garvin and a friend of his in Knoxville once. Was at the channel 10 studios for the weekly wrestling show once and saw Ron Wright (RIP, brother) get "Doctored up" with a careful slice or 2 with a razor blade on the forehead. Ron was running away, er decided to exercise while waiting on his opponent to recover some from the Tennessee Dog Whoopin' he was receiving, and took off out of the ring and off backstage. Where I was sitting in the bleachers they had set up I could look through that door and into the hall which was just light enough to see what was going on. I watched his manager, can't remember which it was, do the cutting. Ron came back out all bloody and I knew it was real but his opponent didn't do it.
Orton Jr once had a real fight in the dressing room that went very badly for him... After Dick Slater knocked him out and started to drag him to the toilet, he turned to Bob Orton Sr and asked him if he wanted some, too lol... Of course Orton Sr declined the offer
These guys were lucky they decided not to broadcast this back in the day. They all enjoyed successful careers. Their motive was business, they wanted to run a promotion in tennessee but the fullers outmaneuvered them
If this ended up coming out these guys would have been missing if you know what I mean. People now know wrestling is fake, but there were a lot of people back then that believed it was real. And there were promoters that would have taken one or two of these guys out in order to keep that going. Especially with the amount of money they were making back then.
This was a crazy thing to do in the 1970's. Not only because the accusations against the old shady promoters, but implications of organized crime and political involvement with over a half billion dollars worth of money laundering! Hello, guys! Even if they weren't aware of the federal government's history of corruption inherent within the system and a willingness to use violence to keep that corruption from coming to light in a time when most people still believed in their honesty; the mob itself was a very real and powerful thing, alleged to have been involved in pro wrestling as well and equally ready and willing to use violence. Not even two years prior, it has been argued that there was possible mob involvement in the fire that killed over 160 people and injured another 200 in broad daylight in Southgate KY, not too far from their own territory. In all likelihood, some of the same characters may have even been involved in any shady business dealings in the area. It's probably a good idea that they never actually released this and it didn't come to light until well after the fact. I mean they probably weren't going to kill a goof like John Stossel, who comes across as an overly theatrical muckraker at times. He can be easily brushed off as "there's that little weasel doing his thing again", but these guys not so much.
Which I don't get. Every wrestler I've heard talk about Fuller said he paid very well. Sullivan said in a shoot that he paid based of the house, bit paid from the gross and not the net. I've read where Roop tried taking San Francisco from Roy Shire as well.
My goodness, this is worst then Eddie Mansfield 6 years later on 20/20.If this would have come out in 1979 it would have single handedly destroyed the wrestling business. The next 10 years which was very successful for Professional Wrestling would have never happened. They would have killed the business because they had bad feelings against a promoter who was doing another better then them .Sad.
I've looked for about 15 years (since I first saw this one), but have never been able to get a sniff of another one, other than the usual rumor an innuendo. If they made them, there seems to be a good chance than they are no longer in existence.
Agreed. They were putting alot of wrestlers, promoters, their families at risk that had nothing to do with their collective problem, and, in each case, is spitting in the face of those who gave them those opportunities to make more money than, as Roop cited, Government jobs, teaching jobs, coaching jobs”.
@@BubbadamitI don't like that kayfabe is being exposed but I always knew professional wrestling was pre predetermined even when I was 9 years old in 1980 when I 1st started watching but professional wrestling is definitely not fake no way just predetermined that's it
This could have maybe stopped the WWF and the NWA.. Imagine the 80s without Hogan, Flair, Savage, Sting, Road Warriors and so on... Thankfully this was basically forgotten about for decades and we only were exposed to the fixed nature of wrestling in the 90s for some reason was somehow better and not devastating to the business?... Oh yeah, and that drunk news paper editor who was trusted on the inside and accidentally sent out the future match results in the late 40s... Well, I guess maybe this wouldn't have done anything that devastating because even when fans would claim it was real back then, they really knew of its fixed nature, but they too just denied denied denied... It's like your local sports teams, you really know they are horrible and you are fully aware of how bad they suck, but when your family and friends are near by, you claim your local sports team is the best in the nation and will "definitely" win the season's championship. Lol, you think, inside your head, of how much you can't believe how bad the season's lineup of your local sports team is this year and how they have a snowball chances in hell to make it far, but you flip out and while shirtless in 3 degree weather, you paint your body in their team colors and go to watch them lose at a local game "surprisingly"... I believe people utilized the same approach to wrestling and wouldn't admit themselves that it was fake and they knew it. You know, like a magic show that even the slowest dullard knows is all smoke and mirrors but we all always applaud when that rabbit comes out of that hat. I can't accept that even the most passionate fan of the business would truly believe it was real. I think it was Bobby Henan who said: you know that wrestling is fake because real fights on the street only last for 30 seconds at most. Given that not everyone has ever been in their own real fight, almost everyone has to have witnessed at least one or more fights in their lifetime at school or later whenever they went out drinking after the age of 21... It's the haters of wrestling that believe that the fans who claim that it's legitimate, they take that these fans are really honest with that statement. Lol
It must be stated unequivocally that unless you personally lived through those distant years, especially back toward the 70's, and were a serious wrestling fan as well as knowing quite a few others who also were, only then would you be able to comprehend how many marks that actually existed who believed all or most of the storylines and what activities bookers portrayed in kayfabe, mainly because there was little if anything but your own eyes to change your mind to see inside their secret world. Many people were upset and some surprised and even shocked when McMahon admitted the fact of scripting for tax purposes during the steroid scandal to frantically disengage from the governing athletic commissions. That includes any who are under the age of say, 40 to 50 years old. Those that did not live through those times with a good recall clearly need to acknowledge your own ignorance and how uninformed that makes so many blanket opinions look with so much that is just speculation and b. s.. Period. Under the moniker of sports entertainment much of the apparent attempts for realism disappeared soon after that expose in particular.
lol, no he didn't. Watts made him champ there, feuded with Dibiase, JYD and Orndorff. Watts even kept him an additional 2 months before Bob left to work under Ole Anderson in the Georgia office for 3 years.
Not even. It was just made as exactly what they titled it Plan B. Really it was just an extortion plot. I think all of them went to Poffo's ICW with Garvin still in possession of the Southeast title. There's also the case where Ron Fuller, who owned Southeastern, took Garvin to court to get the belt back. He contested the belt was his personal property because he had bought it and showed a bill of sale from John Cazana whom he bought the promotion from. Thing is when Garvin's lawyer got Garvin on the stand he asked him how one could win or lose a belt to come into or lose possession of it. Garvin apparently said that was he was under the impression the belt was his until he was beaten for it or he refused to defend against a worthy challenger. He never refused to defend, so the judge threw the case out and told Garvin and Fuller to wrestle for it. Here's the kicker, if Fuller had laid out that titles were won and lost in a booking office, he would have had to expose the business. So Garvin kept the belt and Fuller had to have a new one minted.
From what I've gathered Roop saw the ticket girls skimming so Ron Fuller could get a bigger cut. Roop got in the others ear over it. It's weird because every wrestler I've heard talk about Ron Fuller said he paid very well. Eventually these guys left for Poffo's ICW with Garvin still in possession of the Southeastern title.
Bob Roop was a legit shooter but overated as wrestler. Very few people bought a ticket to see Bob Roop the same can be said for Ronnie Garvin. Ron Wright could not draw money outside of east Tennessee so these guys were lucky to be making any money at all.
I can't imagine thinking that this was a better time for wrestling. The fear these guys must've had just because they did their jobs well. Unlike cornette im glad those kinds of fans are no longer apart of the industry.
I think the idea was not to attract violent fans, but to make the average person, that would never think to hurt anyone, get so deeply involved in the story that they lost sight of reality and at least contemplated harming the heel. The storytelling may have been a little better because the audience reaction was more sincere.
A lot of the comments about homosexuality and gay prostitution were directed at Jim Barnett who was a major wrestling promoter and owner of various territories. Barnett was gay and there were stories about wrestlers performing "favors" for him in exchange for getting a push and the opportunity to make more money; in fact a long standing rumor was that Tommy RIch was made the NWA world champion for a few days in exchange for servicing Barnett.
They were butthurt they didn’t get paid what they thought was their fair share. Roop was one of very few to ever complain about payoffs from the Fullers
This should have come out. Not for the blackmail aspect but just to kill the business. Wrastlin' was a national waste of time and money. Imagine the better time that could have been spent with educational television rather than this garbage. What did pro wrestling teach anyone? Nothing.
These were definitely Not Jobbers that's why I am very surprised that this occured with these guys and during a year when they were receiving mid to main event status and furthermore going on to bigger promotions...
40 plus years later and the biz exposed, there is still some crazy tension in this unique video…Love how Roop sounds like he can’t wait to do the whole series RIGHT NOW
In the thumbnail Malenko looks like he's in the middle of having a stroke
I lol'd
Bob Roop looks like a dude that will be cool with you, but don't piss him off 😂
One of the first shoot documentaries that exposed the business.
it wasn't a documentary. they put this together as leverage with promoters
What's crazy to me is Bob Roop revealing the business, when his job used to be injuring guys to dissuade them from being wrestlers and show them the sport was real.
Sometimes the "injuries " are even staged so that they can take time off for their families, and sometimes like in Dwane's case time off for movies.
79’ was the same year he took in a just starting Buddy Landel as they worked ICW territory and more or less tortured him every day.
Until the day he would meet Dick Slater
@@jaymailloux976I would have paid to see that. Dick Slater was the real deal.
But none of them revealed anything because this wasnt released until the cat was already out of the bag.
Wow, I’ve never seen this. Only heard about it over the years. Pretty wild stuff when considering the implications of it had been released and who participated. Tales From The Territories SE Championship episode sent me searching for it. Thanks for the upload!
I've heard of this and I have been wanting to see it. Thank you for uploading it Bubba Damnit!
Ron Wright got his start in amateur wrestling at the Kingsport Boys’ Club in 1952.
Ronnie Garvin sporting that funky, techno color shirt.
For a second I thought Garvin was Moe from the Three Stooges 🤣
Thanks for posting this. As a 61 yr old fan and pro wrestling historian, PLAN B was a top 10 moment in wrestling history.
I mean it never aired. Lol so you wouldn't have known about it until well after unless you were in the industry. So it wasn't a top anything to anyone unless you were involved
I'm talking about after the fact... Mike....WHEN it came out (Plan B ) it became a top ten moment. Don' t take things so literally!
@@edwardmarkins2710 but it didn't and it seems you are if you need to make things up to stroke your ego
I 'm not making anything up. I forgot more about wrestling than you'll ever know. Goofball.
@@edwardmarkins2710 🤣🤣🤣 oh my you got me....no wait there you go making more stuff up. Also think about It.....is that really a brag to have forgotten more than someone else? So let's say it's true... you're telling me you have no life? Nice flex bro
What i would give to have seen all the other episodes the Knoxville 5 had planned
I've been watching early 80s mid-south, and was just thinking how underrated Bob Roop was. So I looked him up in detail, and found out about this video which I was not aware of. What's the story behind this? Was it ever released? How could Roop continue to work in the business after this? And is that Ronnie Garvin? Wouldn't expect him to do this. This is kind of fascinating
didn't release it. the story is, roop wanted to takeover robert fuller's territory; not BUY it, take it over. he was unsuccessful, so this was his going away present to the territory. things were local back then. and contrary to what they will tell you, people knew it was a show for the most part. fuller did sell the territory but not to roop. don't know how he got the other to participate. eddie mansfield's career was killed due to showing some secrets, but that was on a national show. harley race also appeared on some expose in the 80s, and nobody holds it against him. so you never know with this stuff
Most people believe these 5 were paid by Jim Barnett to "bury" this seeing how Fuller wasnt given in to their demands & most people in the biz have just now found out about this plan B so no 1 knew to blackball these 5 even though these was Roop`s 2nd aiiempt @ taking a terriotory by these means
@@jeffakin3095Roy Shire exposed the business somewhere around this time even worse than Roop as he actually published a four page exposé in the LA Times Newspaper.
@kevthegoat8774your dates are way off
"If I can't have it then nobody can." Grown men acting like little children...
How the hell did any of these guys ever work in wrestling again? Even knowing it was never released, just the fact that such a tape *existed* was the sort of thing that should have gotten them blackballed from the business, by all tradition and logic.
The amazing part of this isn't that the tape was made, it's that it was allowed to survive long enough to leak out...
No one really knew the tape existed.
@@toysorbust I have trouble believing this. There's no point in making such a tape as a "Plan B" for getting more money/control out of a promoter if you then keep it completely secret. The whole point is blackmailing him into agreeing to your demands; if you don't tell him that you have it and will release it if they aren't met, then you've just A) wasted your time and money on making the tape, and 2) created something that puts your job's very existence at risk, all for no gain.
I'm pretty damned sure that Ron Fuller, at the very least, knew it existed, which is part of why he decided that promoting Knoxville wasn't worth the trouble any more and sold the territory. And if *he* knew, then you can bet he would have told other promoters, so they'd know and be able to avoid being blackmailed in the same way. Which, then, leads me to again wondering why anyone was willing to hire any of these guys ever again.
Because this never got out back then
Wrestlers don't get blackballed. That's just a lie the old timers say. If it was the case no one would know New Jacks name. That pos should have never been booked anywhere....ever!
@@brianbradley8631 New Jack never worked for a promotion that mattered except ECW, which wasn't exactly a professional operation.
Have they done a dark side of the ring on this yet?
The war in Knoxville would make a great episode.
They should, hopefully sooner rather than later, because the guys involved are already in their 70s.
@@mrsl262 and Malenko and Wright are no longer with us.
This looks like it was hard to do.
Do you have the other parts if they ever made them?
The Plan B
The Plan Blackmail
09:30 Who is Ronald Rat. And I thought Harvey Wippleman was a bad ring name.
Ron Wright, an old Tennessee heel.
It’s his hideous accent that makes it sound like “rat”. It’s a southern murican accent. Just awful
Newark, New Jersey’s own,on-top, Larry Simon!
Has Cornette ever addressed this?
Why would he?
Yes, he has.
@Matt Edwards Link please? I can't seem to find it.
@Bill Blaski Nobody cares more about protecting the business than Cornette. So I can only imagine his thoughts on wrestlers he respected possibly blowing the whistle on the industry just as he was getting started.
@@oldandbittersmark alert 🎯 🤤 🚨
So these guys are basically saying wrestling is fake… Did anybody not know that in this time era?
Lots of people, wrestling even way back had a strong base of people who would remark if someone spoke of pro wrestling...''oh you know, all that stuff is fake!'' it did not take a genius even back in the 50's watching someone like Gorgeous George to see the theatrics and acted out nature of the so called violence. Many more people willingly believed but trust me, a large portion just dismissed it as the theatre which it is.
Ron Wright was a rough 41 here
You show Mr. Chisel some respect 😂
41!!!? That's only 4 years more than me. He looks late 50's, stressful business, bad diet and lack of sleep coupled with drink and drug ...sht ages you real quick. 😱
everyone was rough-looking back then
I never knew about this. These are all ICW investers in the year they made the investment. Roop tells us he was paid more than “a government job, a teacher, a coach, countless other good jobs”in the beginning then portrays he and his breathen as “prostitutes”in summation. What a load of crap.
Bob Roop looks like Sam Kinison before he got into comedy.
This is the first time I see the resemblance between Bob and Randy!
I never noticed it before, but seeing this, yeah, I see it now.
After seeing Bob Roop hurting that guy trying to get into wrestling I never cared for him. I always wanted to see karma on him.After doing this he should have been black balled. He’s an all around jerk.
Well, he got the sh*t kicked out of him on at least 2 occasions by Dick Slater so I guess that's something. Bob used to be Bill Watts "shooter" who he would use to break in potential wrestlers. He tried it on Slater and, being Slater was a bad dude, it didn't end well for Roop. Then Roop apparently tried Dick again later on and got more of the same.
AWESOME, I remember these guys from watching wrasslin with my granddad in the 1970’s 😄👍
I'd always heard of this but never have I seen it until now...and it's hard to believe that after all this ron Garvin got to hold the world's heavy weight title...it's probably a good thing Harley race want the champion instead of flair...race would killed him
I have heard about this, and others involved. ..leaves a bitter taste in my mouth over this.. only one guy escaped my disdain over this, I won't say who...
Remember they never said wrestling is definitely not fake but they said it was definitely predetermined which I always knew as a young kid at 9 uears old when I started watching professional wrestling wat back in 1980
One has to wonder what these guys were trying to achieve in producing this video.
Kill the competition.
Trying to kill the buisness
Killing their own income source
If I remember correctly these guys mostly Roop were trying to run a promotion in the same place as someone else and were going to do it to kill the business if they didn't get their way. Promotional wars got crazy back in the day. This was like the nuclear option, kind of a mutually assured destruction.
they were using it to blackmail another local promotion
Never knew this even existed!
Heard about this in the Wrestlers' Wrestler book...
If this video had been released and distributed to the general public back then I can
picture Bob Orton Jr on the Morton Downey Jr show proclaiming wrestling is fake
in front of a furiously irate Dr D screaming on him. Lmao. The MDJ Show was a
total gimmick revealed in a documentary yrs later. lol Interesting that MDJ would
make an appearance at WM. He must have been in on the act all along.
Or what Vince Sr would've thought
@Abdul Dinero It was Bob's brother Barry "O" Orton that went on the talk show circuit in the '80s with allegations sexual harassment.
Orton,Garvin what were they thinking??? Young guys throwing their careers away...They are lucky this was buried...they would have never worked again if anyone saw this..........having said that the stuff they're complaining about is completely true
Why did they expose the business?
Interesting video that was quickly forgotten.
Surprised, 20/20 didn't use this in 1985.
What was roop and those guys trying to accomplish ?
I could be wrong, but I don't think this video ever saw the light of day until long after the 20/20 expose.
Infdawg is correct - this video didn't see the light of day until the late 90s-early 2000s
They pretty much wanted to get back at guys like Fuller and Barnett, who were part of the NWA sanctioned promotion. Roop and the other guys in this video were part of the promotion that ran in opposition to the Fuller's promotion. This pretty much was their way of saying that if we're going down they were going to take the Fuller's down with them.
@@Sargebri these are mostly those who started ICW
Dang..... even back then....😮😳🤯
I drank a beer with Ronnie Garvin and a friend of his in Knoxville once. Was at the channel 10 studios for the weekly wrestling show once and saw Ron Wright (RIP, brother) get "Doctored up" with a careful slice or 2 with a razor blade on the forehead. Ron was running away, er decided to exercise while waiting on his opponent to recover some from the Tennessee Dog Whoopin' he was receiving, and took off out of the ring and off backstage. Where I was sitting in the bleachers they had set up I could look through that door and into the hall which was just light enough to see what was going on. I watched his manager, can't remember which it was, do the cutting. Ron came back out all bloody and I knew it was real but his opponent didn't do it.
The Rons are the most disappointed ones
Orton Jr once had a real fight in the dressing room that went very badly for him... After Dick Slater knocked him out and started to drag him to the toilet, he turned to Bob Orton Sr and asked him if he wanted some, too lol... Of course Orton Sr declined the offer
My god ....if this came out in 1984 during wrestle mania 1...Bob orton career would have been done...daddy I'm disappointed in orton...
These guys were lucky they decided not to broadcast this back in the day. They all enjoyed successful careers.
Their motive was business, they wanted to run a promotion in tennessee but the fullers outmaneuvered them
If this ended up coming out these guys would have been missing if you know what I mean. People now know wrestling is fake, but there were a lot of people back then that believed it was real. And there were promoters that would have taken one or two of these guys out in order to keep that going. Especially with the amount of money they were making back then.
@@JimCornetteIsMyDad not so sure about that. All 5 guys were known as being the toughest guys in wrestling at the time
@@dantegood2195 Doesn't matter how tough you are or were if you get kidnapped and dropped in a river with cement shoes on.
@@dantegood2195Facts most guys back then couldn't handle Bob Roop or Ronnie Garvin.
@kevthegoat8774handle this .45
In other words, XPW was showing the was of the wrestling business right out in the open.
They had no idea they were killing the town on Knoxville because of this stunt.
Yeah they did. The whole point of this video was to kill the town.
All this for a bad pay day
This was a crazy thing to do in the 1970's. Not only because the accusations against the old shady promoters, but implications of organized crime and political involvement with over a half billion dollars worth of money laundering! Hello, guys! Even if they weren't aware of the federal government's history of corruption inherent within the system and a willingness to use violence to keep that corruption from coming to light in a time when most people still believed in their honesty; the mob itself was a very real and powerful thing, alleged to have been involved in pro wrestling as well and equally ready and willing to use violence. Not even two years prior, it has been argued that there was possible mob involvement in the fire that killed over 160 people and injured another 200 in broad daylight in Southgate KY, not too far from their own territory. In all likelihood, some of the same characters may have even been involved in any shady business dealings in the area.
It's probably a good idea that they never actually released this and it didn't come to light until well after the fact. I mean they probably weren't going to kill a goof like John Stossel, who comes across as an overly theatrical muckraker at times. He can be easily brushed off as "there's that little weasel doing his thing again", but these guys not so much.
Which I don't get. Every wrestler I've heard talk about Fuller said he paid very well. Sullivan said in a shoot that he paid based of the house, bit paid from the gross and not the net. I've read where Roop tried taking San Francisco from Roy Shire as well.
This all is silly for them to do this!! They killed their own work and jobs. NOT SMART!!! ALL THE FANS KNEW THIS ALREADY!! Sad
Learn history, no one saw this until youtube.
"We're honest people." Biggest bullshit in the whole video.
My goodness, this is worst then Eddie Mansfield 6 years later on 20/20.If this would have come out in 1979 it would have single handedly destroyed the wrestling business. The next 10 years which was very successful for Professional Wrestling would have never happened. They would have killed the business because they had bad feelings against a promoter who was doing another better then them .Sad.
Facts.
What I want to know is did they ever film anymore episodes? so where are they?
Bob Sapp has said they have but few other than him have seen it
I've looked for about 15 years (since I first saw this one), but have never been able to get a sniff of another one, other than the usual rumor an innuendo. If they made them, there seems to be a good chance than they are no longer in existence.
I hope someone gets his hands on it and releases it before we all the people who care to see it are all dead and gone
@@TNAROHfanyou didn't see this 15 years ago, bullshxtter
All of them should have never worked again. I'm not even as nuts as Cornette about kayfabe, but this was childish bullshit.
Agreed. They were putting alot of wrestlers, promoters, their families at risk that had nothing to do with their collective problem, and, in each case, is spitting in the face of those who gave them those opportunities to make more money than, as Roop cited, Government jobs, teaching jobs, coaching jobs”.
Clearly, don't go to Green Brook TN
Yes Sir (Mr Bubba) do you know why they did this?
there were ongoing issues between Bob Roop and Ron Fuller if you do a search you should be able to find interviews with both discussing it
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@@Bubbadamit here's fuller talking about it
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@@BubbadamitI don't like that kayfabe is being exposed but I always knew professional wrestling was pre predetermined even when I was 9 years old in 1980 when I 1st started watching but professional wrestling is definitely not fake no way just predetermined that's it
This could have maybe stopped the WWF and the NWA.. Imagine the 80s without Hogan, Flair, Savage, Sting, Road Warriors and so on...
Thankfully this was basically forgotten about for decades and we only were exposed to the fixed nature of wrestling in the 90s for some reason was somehow better and not devastating to the business?... Oh yeah, and that drunk news paper editor who was trusted on the inside and accidentally sent out the future match results in the late 40s...
Well, I guess maybe this wouldn't have done anything that devastating because even when fans would claim it was real back then, they really knew of its fixed nature, but they too just denied denied denied...
It's like your local sports teams, you really know they are horrible and you are fully aware of how bad they suck, but when your family and friends are near by, you claim your local sports team is the best in the nation and will "definitely" win the season's championship. Lol, you think, inside your head, of how much you can't believe how bad the season's lineup of your local sports team is this year and how they have a snowball chances in hell to make it far, but you flip out and while shirtless in 3 degree weather, you paint your body in their team colors and go to watch them lose at a local game "surprisingly"...
I believe people utilized the same approach to wrestling and wouldn't admit themselves that it was fake and they knew it. You know, like a magic show that even the slowest dullard knows is all smoke and mirrors but we all always applaud when that rabbit comes out of that hat.
I can't accept that even the most passionate fan of the business would truly believe it was real.
I think it was Bobby Henan who said: you know that wrestling is fake because real fights on the street only last for 30 seconds at most.
Given that not everyone has ever been in their own real fight, almost everyone has to have witnessed at least one or more fights in their lifetime at school or later whenever they went out drinking after the age of 21...
It's the haters of wrestling that believe that the fans who claim that it's legitimate, they take that these fans are really honest with that statement. Lol
It wouldn't have stopped anything. The rock and wrestling era was just about to kick off and people enjoyed the spectacle not the matches.
@@mikescott8903 We enjoyed both the Spectacle AND the Matches. It was the Golden Era of Professional Wrestling.
It must be stated unequivocally that unless you personally lived through those distant years, especially back toward the 70's, and were a serious wrestling fan as well as knowing quite a few others who also were, only then would you be able to comprehend how many marks that actually existed who believed all or most of the storylines and what activities bookers portrayed in kayfabe, mainly because there was little if anything but your own eyes to change your mind to see inside their secret world. Many people were upset and some surprised and even shocked when McMahon admitted the fact of scripting for tax purposes during the steroid scandal to frantically disengage from the governing athletic commissions. That includes any who are under the age of say, 40 to 50 years old. Those that did not live through those times with a good recall clearly need to acknowledge your own ignorance and how uninformed that makes so many blanket opinions look with so much that is just speculation and b. s.. Period. Under the moniker of sports entertainment much of the apparent attempts for realism disappeared soon after that expose in particular.
@@alwilson3204 got any wind left ?
I would always take a pee break when Ronnie Garvin came on. He’s even boring here.
one of those world champs that never drew a dime. But gave Flair another title reign.
Roop tried the same stunt in Mid-South. Zero respect for the man.
lol, no he didn't. Watts made him champ there, feuded with Dibiase, JYD and Orndorff. Watts even kept him an additional 2 months before Bob left to work under Ole Anderson in the Georgia office for 3 years.
Why in the HELL didnt this tape burn to a crisp?
Then we would have never seen it. Are you for destroying history?
This was a threat to a promoter...?
Not even. It was just made as exactly what they titled it Plan B. Really it was just an extortion plot. I think all of them went to Poffo's ICW with Garvin still in possession of the Southeast title. There's also the case where Ron Fuller, who owned Southeastern, took Garvin to court to get the belt back. He contested the belt was his personal property because he had bought it and showed a bill of sale from John Cazana whom he bought the promotion from. Thing is when Garvin's lawyer got Garvin on the stand he asked him how one could win or lose a belt to come into or lose possession of it. Garvin apparently said that was he was under the impression the belt was his until he was beaten for it or he refused to defend against a worthy challenger. He never refused to defend, so the judge threw the case out and told Garvin and Fuller to wrestle for it. Here's the kicker, if Fuller had laid out that titles were won and lost in a booking office, he would have had to expose the business. So Garvin kept the belt and Fuller had to have a new one minted.
Rubbish Ronnie Garbage was in with Bob Roob? I honestly had no idea.
what was the reason for this crap
From what I've gathered Roop saw the ticket girls skimming so Ron Fuller could get a bigger cut. Roop got in the others ear over it. It's weird because every wrestler I've heard talk about Ron Fuller said he paid very well. Eventually these guys left for Poffo's ICW with Garvin still in possession of the Southeastern title.
Listen to JBL and Briscoe’s podcast. Room said Fuller was robbing them blind
The Fuller's were running the Pensacola territory and hired Roop as booker, which by default made Roop responsible for the payoffs
Bob Roop was a legit shooter but overated as wrestler. Very few people bought a ticket to see Bob Roop the same can be said for Ronnie Garvin. Ron Wright could not draw money outside of east Tennessee so these guys were lucky to be making any money at all.
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Update -
At a later time, Bob Orton Jr broke his arm.
(Great gimmick. LOL).
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I can't imagine thinking that this was a better time for wrestling. The fear these guys must've had just because they did their jobs well. Unlike cornette im glad those kinds of fans are no longer apart of the industry.
I think the idea was not to attract violent fans, but to make the average person, that would never think to hurt anyone, get so deeply involved in the story that they lost sight of reality and at least contemplated harming the heel. The storytelling may have been a little better because the audience reaction was more sincere.
Noone in this video suffered anything for this.
Hell, Roop was working for Cowboy Bill Watts a couple of years later. I'm assuming Watts didn't know about this at the time
That's cus this was never released. It finally leaked like in the early 2000s
19:16 Whaaaat ???
19:35 whaaaaaaaaaaat ???
A lot of the comments about homosexuality and gay prostitution were directed at Jim Barnett who was a major wrestling promoter and owner of various territories. Barnett was gay and there were stories about wrestlers performing "favors" for him in exchange for getting a push and the opportunity to make more money; in fact a long standing rumor was that Tommy RIch was made the NWA world champion for a few days in exchange for servicing Barnett.
@@bitteroldman i dont think thats what he meant. I think he meant that they do all of the work and Barnette, etc. took all of the pay.
I-miss-the-days-when-I-didnt-know-anything-bout-behind-the-curtain-in-wrestling🤣🤠😎😶😔😳😯🤬💩🤡👹😿👽
Flair vs garden is good
who's Garden? 🤣🤣
Beer garden?
Cornette rightfully hates Omega & Bucks for their treatment of the business, but he forgives these guys?? Hypocrite much??
The Plan B team never actually released this video; it didn't surface until long after they'd all retired.
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When did Cornette say he forgives this? As far as I know, Cornette has never talked about this on his podcast or anything
@@billblaski9523Ron Wright is one those select few who Cornette worships so he probably tries to forget this happened.
It didnt happen
Solomonster brought me here
Lol, the wrestlers are fake. However, the fans are real.
DISGRACEFUL
These men were trying to start a union.
Unions are evil
They were butthurt they didn’t get paid what they thought was their fair share. Roop was one of very few to ever complain about payoffs from the Fullers
This should have come out. Not for the blackmail aspect but just to kill the business. Wrastlin' was a national waste of time and money. Imagine the better time that could have been spent with educational television rather than this garbage. What did pro wrestling teach anyone? Nothing.
Shame on them
Explain
Larry who?
Boris Malenko.🙄
Larry Simon...real name of "Boris Malenko"
Father of
Jody Simon "Joe Malenko"
Dean Simon "Dean Malenko"
@@shooter7734 oh shit that's Dean Malenko father fr? That's actually crazy ASF
@@yunghitnit666 it is indeed Dean Malenko's real life father
@@yunghitnit666 ...how is that “crazy”....? Boris M was a top 10 all time heel lol
Good for them!
Of course they were all jobbers
Ummm
Bob Orton Jr. and Ron Garvin weren't jobbers son.
Ron Garvin was NWA champion beating Flair.
Boris Malenko was one of the best heels of the 1970's
These were definitely Not Jobbers that's why I am very surprised that this occured with these guys and during a year when they were receiving mid to main event status and furthermore going on to bigger promotions...
Might want to do some research before calling someone a jobber