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I am surprised to hear you call studio monitors "boring" because they are neutral. Like, they are studio monitors, you can't expect them to be bright (what some people call "dynamic") and still be STUDIO monitors 🙂 (Yes, they are Neutral because they have been objectively tested on ASR and found to be neutral).
I have them and sub. The issue is the internal DSP uses an ADC and again internal DAC.... it really holds it back
@@jungtarcph You say it converts the analog signal to PCM then amplifies it?
I agree on this... Nearfield studio monitors are supposed to be what he think as "boring", although wrong to use that term... yes, they have to be flat response, cause that's what you need for mixing. That's why "pro" studios always have Mid-Field Monitors in addition to the nearfields, to crank and feel the music (aka. Impress the customer). But for the mixing process, you need "flat" monitors... the "flatter" the better.
There's a great article/test out there anyone interested should check: showdown-the-best-nearfield-monitor-the-results-will-shock-you (google that)
@@benirodriguez9516 I think what most people miss is that it should be "fun" to mix on. If you have tuned or been in many tuned studios you'll know a "dead" studio is a TERRIBLE thing. Over tuning is not good. These are not fun at all to mix on the 1k range. Especially for guitars due to the steep curves in that range. It sounds absolutely dead. If you know what you're doing and you can identify pitch within white noise this may be ok. If you mix your own music this is not the best option IMO. Again speakers are subjective, but objectively I'd say a dead sound is not 100% desired in a monitor.
can i use the 308s for home theatre? I'll just be pairing it with a subwoofer
I’ve been using these monitors in my post-production studio for years. All the team fell in love with them. We substituted all Genelec monitors we had for these. We use 308p as LCRs and 306p as surround ones. Can’t love them more. We did a bunch of film, TV, commercial, and game sound design/mixing projects. 7 film scores. Also, music for the shows was performed superbly in various even quite specific locations. Never heard a bad word about mixing from the customers.
These monitors earned us a lot of money. Looking to expand the studio to Dolby Atmos. Thinking of 305p’s as surround or ceiling options, but never heard them by now. Hope to learn more about them soon. Love the MK II series!
I have the lsr308s mk1 for 5 years now and they're still banging. I use them for mixing and over all "natural" sounding and no enhances to filter the sound. They sound great and they have treated me right. Then I turn on the lsr310s to see how my productions would sound in a venue:)
Finally another another speaker review, much appreciated , hopefully more to come. Sounds like they are more like reasonably accurate monitors rather than hype machines with exaggerated highs and lows…..nothing should really jump out at you for music production.
IMO these speakers sound neutral, I won't call them boring. Yeah neutral is boring, but that's the whole purpose of buying studio monitors in the first place. I have used Genelecs, Yamahas and KRKs, but I fell in love with JBLs LSR series the very moment I played a sinewave through it. Other monitors are good, but these JBLs are neutral. And I like neutral.
exactly, There are meant to give you a honest sound of what your mix or the music sounds like. If the audio coming out sounds "boring" the problem is wrong with the music itself not the speakers
Neutral is the best. Most people prefer the sound of neutral
@@amazin7006 Most people don't have enough knowledge to understand the merit & importance of neutrality in speakers. That's why they come up with adjectives like 'boring', for an accurate representation of whatever audio they're trying to play on these speakers.
jbl cabs from the 70s and 80s are some of the best studio mains ive ever heard.
The cabaret series are my favourite. I have 4 x jbl 4628b's for my main speakers. It took me years to collect them. I will never sell these.
Pls do a comparison between this, the Adam´s and the Kali Audio´s in this price rage. I think you will be surprised by the performance of the Kali Audio
+1 Kali FTW
+1 Kali
What I've found with the JBL 3 Series, they translate very Very very well, they don't sound very pleasant or exciting, but the time I used them, they served me very well
Great review! ❤️ Subscribed!
I was going to buy these a few weeks back. I bought the Kali Lp-6 instead. Coin flip it was. They’re my first monitors. I’ve been debating on getting that Kali Subwoffer… Probably same thing. Thank you!
Yesssss! Please come back with the gear reviews!
I don’t know why reviewers don’t talk more about using an equalizer! That’s what they are designed for!! Totally changes the speaker.
These speakers have been tested on forums. Their frequency response is really flat. Which some people prefer.
Not for me
@@Streaky_com this is a studio production channel and you don't like studio reference monitors because they are flat ?
@@AlistairMaxwell77 it baffles me too. I mean, it is ok to have another set of monitors/speakers to rock/dance to, but for producing & mixing? Give me flat baby!
Great review! would love to see you do a shootout. Maybe the classic duo, Yamaha HS8 vs the new KRK Rockets!
Thank you
I’ve been mixing on 308s with Lsr sub. They’re amazing and provide a lot of detail.
When I build my Atmos Studio I’ll be expanding with 308 and 306; potentially 305 for tops.
they are probalby one of the best behind genelec and neumanns. You do need to EQ down 16k hz a little bit though other wise the JBL is nearly perfect and reliable for all kinds of music
Just out of curiosity. Have you reviewed any of the ONES series by Genelec? I've tried searching but nothing of you and Genelec come up. What are your thoughts on the 8351B or the 8361 I'm in the market for some new monitors and am interested in ATC, Barefoot, and Genelec.
Finally again Speaker Reviews. Hope there are more in the future (Amphion, Quested, Neumann, Abacus, Genelec, PSI...) - spec in the Pricerange 2000-5000k p. Pair :- )
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he did review the Neumann KH310s some time ago
@@ACDevastation i know and i own them. but neumann have also some other products like KH120, KH420 and also Digital and Analog Versions + their Room Software. Would be also interesting for an Video
@@vtkz agreed
Ver useful review. Thank you.
Yeah I own a set and I want eves or focal now but I can say they are very reliable.
I have a pair ai bought a few weeks ago and after i set them up and did A WHOLE LOT OF MIXING AND TUNING, BALANCEING, ADJUSTING AND Latency, They started to grow on me and now I now Im looking forward to purchasing the bass. I think that for 200 a speaker the easy 1/4 pin their pretty easy to set up just the the latency at times becomes the focus but Im still ironing it out. I paid 700 for the focus rite and speakers and cords, The bass will be like 300 more so for like a 1000 dollars and i could test your theory out. but i do think your right on the shaping the sound a bit better thanks for your display
@@BazookaJoe1964 Im gona try what you said but its alot more technical then we like to think sometimes huh thanks man...
I will agree that they sound better with a sub, but how is "flat" and "boring" bad for a studio monitor? Isn't that what you want in a speaker you're trying to create music on or make decisions based on? Also considering that you literally plug a cable from the output of whatever to each individual speaker, I don't know how stereo imagining has anything to do with the speakers themselves, as they are literally just getting a L or R signal, I could understand that with a sub as that might do something when it takes the lows away from the signal going to the speakers.
they are big and loud, relatively flat, studio monitors for less than 500 buck for the pair, and less than 800 when you get the sub, As someone that has used them for several years now, I'm super happy with them and I think anyone looking for a 8in speakers for a good price should consider these,
Hi there, yes, in the studio we want flat/boring monitors, the flatter the better. I also thought the guy on the video was off by saying this. I have the 305 first gen, and I'm pretty happy with them.
Regarding "stereo imaging" it has nothing to do with "left/right channel" but with "perceived spatial location of the sound source", you should be able to "see", well hear, where the instrument/sound and vocal is coming from as if you were seeing the musicians on stage, and every sound comes from where they are situated. The JBL LSR30x series are specially good with this, and that's why the plastic around the twitter cone is constructed the way it is, or so they say. But it works!
@@benirodriguez9516 The spatial aspect is all about where they are placed
and the tweeter cone is meant to evenly disperse sound its not about a perceived Left or Right, its about even frequency response in a larger sweet spot,
Again considering the speakers don't see a L or R signal, it spatial aspect (or being able to "see" where the instrument is placed) of them isn't up to the speaker its up to the user,
The guy said stereo imagining, thats Left and right.
the speaker just see a signal and moves air, its stereo imagining is dependent on speaker placement,
Near Field speakers are meant to be flat. If you can make them sound good with your mix, then you know you are on the right path. Never use hifi speakers as mixing monitors. Never use near field monitors as your hifi speakers.
Exactly
Thanks for this one! Would love to see a review on the kali audio in-5s. This is a 5-inch 3-way monitor, may be good for small rooms and beginners.
The in 5 has extensional clarity of the mids compared to the Jbl. Much more detailed in the entire audible range. Being able to orient the in-5’s on their sides in different ways really changes how you hear the mix. I’ve ended up putting the speaker horizontal the tweets on the inside. The bass ports on the outside really clears up the air pressure at your head, and moves it around you in a very nice way. I can hear the exact location of snare drums in overheads with this configuration, and stereo volumes differences are easy to hear
Amazing speakers , great sound.
Hi, what studio monitor’s do you recommend.
Thanks
I’ve had 10 of the JBL’ 3 series.4 6inch drivers,6 8inch drivers.At 1st I would agree with your assessments.But there seems to be a funny break in period with them.1 day I was listening to music an all of a sudden it was like pop they opened up.The sound changed dramatically.It was incredibly.Don’t know why it happened but they sound tight crisp an I can listen to them for hours.An yes I do have a large sub so yes your point is well taken.I’ve sold all but 4 of them,replaced them with Genelecs an other JBL’s,but I plan to move them to my home theater.Found them on clearance,actually got really good deal on them.Couldnt beat them for the price I paid for them.
i had to do a long break in with my jbl 2328 , the predecessor of the 3 series . ive since upgraded also but they did their job and compared well to the more expensive monitors .
@@AlistairMaxwell77 Yeah I sold all but 2.I originally got them on clearance for about $100-$125 for the 308s.I really liked them after a break in period.I have Genelecs an older model JBLs.But I plan to switch my primary monitors to all g
Genelecs an use the JBLs for sound reinforcement.
I want to upgrade from my yamaha hs5. I use them for multimedia purpose only. For better sound stage and longer listening for enjoyment would you recommend HS7 / HS8 / LSR305P / LSR308P? I already have one HS8S
Yeah I own several pairs of these and use them as a really good neutral ground to listen to they are to me at least in my opinion very very solid build for the money and the quality is quite amazing considering the cost, plenty of low end silky smooth with just enough energy in it to very smoothly match into the mids and highs, the highest roll off very well matched with the mids and overall these speakers sound very lovely, if you're used to very flashy bright pumping speakers then give yourself a minute to get used to these and I'm sure you'll really love them, these are kind of like owning a cheap Rolls Royce XD they're low on price but very very good clean sound
I really trust your judgement and bought the Adam audio monitors based on your review and I’m really pleased with them so far
Would these (with the subwoofer) instead be a decent TV soundbar substitute?
Adam tv5 or th t8. I use genelec 1030 with sub for mixing and the Adam tv5 as my nears for tracking and final post master checks. The Adam tv5 don't tire my ears as much... Good 3 hrs on them before i feel the pressure. 😉
Fair review.
Thanks for cons! I heard mk1 was a bit better. Maybe because mk2 was new and mk1 is warmed for years
Within the same price range I think 2-way + sub is always better, as it's much more challenging to reproduce lows/subs in the same box with mids and highs.
i have the jbl 308 yoy was saying something about adding a sub ,what do you recommend? is the sub monitors 2
I’ve got hs50 is it worth changing to hs5 or7 or8
could you please test Mackie Mr524? It looks like a good option for small rooms.
Ks digital a200 mk2, hedd speakers mk2, aps speakers, etc. please! The speaker reviews are great as i just sold my adam a77xs and am in the market for new ones
I’ve owned them for a year n a half now, and they cover most frequencies well, and do get low at least in my room. I use them for mixing although I use audio technica headphones for all the really detailed stuff. To put it simply if you don’t got money like this guy, they are a great investment
for listening i use peace eq to make them sound fun for hip hop and electronic stuff.
Awesomeeeeee!
I have also 2:1 (sub) system "Altec" (USA) computer speakers; two pairs, one system on computer where I listen all the music and one for mixing (the same monitor system in different settings), so my ears are not fooled by the different speakers ... It doesn't matter on what you mix, it matters (i agree) if it has a sub, so you're not surprised later when you hear your music "outside" ... But now I will buy the real monitor speakers and the first thing I'm afraid is the difference of how will I mix with the proper speakers and later when I hear the mix in a car or on other "normal" systems ...
I’m just looking for master bedroom speakers, plan to pair with a 15 inch sub. Primary will be used for TV and music. I wouldn’t select these for my main stereo set up.
Did you turn them up?
"Three ways are always better." Agreed 😉
I've been considering a change from my HS5's, though in my small room they sound better, more detailed, than my old Neumann KH-120's - which seem more 'room sensitive' so go figure. I was considering trying those JBL's but the Kali IN8 looks interesting - you were saying about a 3 way in a small room ;-) (I've really got nowhere to site a sub by the way)
Cool, independant reviewer 👍🏻 i subbed, cos...yeah...independant reviewers are the ones who actually deserve it imo. If i had those jbls my brother woukd wanna steal them lol hes a jbl head when it comes to speaker and monitors.
I love my three way Kali IN-8 V2’s. Just under $800 for the pair. I’m getting the sub for them soon.
Rockville SBG1188 18" 1000 Watt Passive Pro is it decent speaker for home use?
I would like to see a review of the 7 series. :)
Those aren't bad , but i agree that they lacking in detail , they also hate high volumes , jbl 3 series are known for high THD
Can I ask you a question? Why you never review Genelec speakers ? There seems to be a standard in the studios? You don’t like them ? You already review adams 8x but never seen a Genelec. I would love to see on your Chanel a comparison in price range let’s say £2000
This channel is gold
why
@@WillyJunior ....good information
Genelec 1237, would be great if you’ll do a review on them! Thanks!
I have them. A bit of a boxy midrange, lacks some presence. And bass lacks a bit for their size. Imaging is very good. Not bad but not great. Attractively cheap though. Fortunately I own Sonarworks Reference, which improved frequency response big time and made them sound much more impressive than out of the box.
The jbls make my sound according to what I hear I really really enjoyed them
I got the Kali in-5’s and the Kali sub in my small room. My system is incredibly flat (just a little bit of a dip from 90-110).
Flat and boring, exactly what I need for mixing
I’ve got the 305 mk1 they are quite flat. Well sorta anyway. They work well.
so which alternatives?
Wouldn't mind getting hearing your opinion of Core 47s (just sold a pair), Kali In-8 (just bought a pair) and Adam S2V (likely to also buy a pair).
The Kalis are freaking amazing, nothing close to them for the price or even 50% more.
@@nikumeru I always felt they sound Boxy and have a smacked sounding top end
thanks! now time for the by many higly apraised kali lp6! porting is causing alot of shit in the low budget segment!
they claim 45Hz linear and 37hz -10db i think...however the 305s claim 49Hz linear and 43Hz at -10db. thats surprisingly small difference in lowend. Usually the dif. between 5 inch and 8 inch versions is something like 50Hz to 36Hz or in that region. Might be one reason that th 305s seem to sell much much better.
I've measured the 305s, they're not 49hz linear. They're about 60-65hz linear and then a steep roll off down to -8db, spanning down to 40hz where they drop off completely.
I've got my 305s and have yet to try them. We'll see...
Thanks.
Streaky, your room is too big for these speakers. In smaller spaces these sound fantastic and do not lack in the low end and detail at all. I use JBL 305p MKII and ATC SCM25a and JBLs really do hold their ground against the ACTs and complement them very well. Keep in mind that ATCs cost around 40 times more than JBLs...
He said he used them in his office not in the studio..
Even if u put small speakers in a big studio they should not sound bad, they even should sound better.
@@joseberroa4935 Oh, OK, I missed that. Stil, JBL 305p & 308p are really good monitors. I was shocked how good they sounded next to ATCs :)
@@joseberroa4935 does that mean to do music production or listen to music .... they are not hifi speakers. they are pretty flat .
Need a review on Eve's Sc 205 or Sc 207
I liked to buy the 308th in the first time but in my 5m x 4m Room they´re to massiv, so instead of them i bought the 306th and i´m happy :-)
Kali LP6's with their WS-12 is the way to go.
What happened to the Focal speakers! The nice big ones!
Hi Mate,
Try to review Kali In 8 .. cheers 👍
No reviews on JBL 708 P in Europe. JBL don't seem to promote them?
I've had jbl 306p mkii for a while now, but i really can't stand them when listening to rock and metal. Do you think adam t8v would do better?
not really. i had adam t8v - its high and lows are very impressive but it lacks a lot of midrange content. great for classical, jazz and electronic music, but rock and metal are very midrange heavy genres, so i can't imagine they would be that good on the adams.
hello could you review kali in8 2nd wave please?
I have them with the subs. Extremely dull without the sub. And even then, I think it's the sub, I like. The looks definitely catch your attention, but it's short lived.
Could you please review Dynaudio Lyd 8?
Hi streaky, on your mastering course can you use some of the songs for your portfolio? Its some of the best masters I have done!
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You are talking through your **** !! These are studio monitors (read the back of the speakers)! Bloody good sounding and you 'll hear everything if you got a half decent studio room. Amen!
Speaker Question for a small boutique fitness gym. We are moving into a new space and I’m looking for some guidance on speakers. I would like to install 2 speakers. Would something like these sound okay? With it being 2 way, do they require wiring? I would be playing the music from an iPad so would need some speakers that would play from that. Thanks for the guidance guys.
Yes get 2 8 inch speakers and maybe a audio DAC
Amir at audiosciencereviews has the opposite opinion. And frequency response is relatively flat. Maybe you think like that because you got used to your super-flexible mastering audio system?
Have you reviewed everse 8 ?
Much prefer the simpler aesthetics of the Mark1 series (ie: JBL 305 mk1). This high-gloss 80s cocaine look really not my cup o' tea. That said, would love to see a review of the Dynaudio LYD48. They fill a nice niche for a 3-way speaker at that price point, and they are selling like hotcakes. Are they Streak-worthy?
Actually it looks better in person and definitely more presentable than the previous series. I was skeptical and hesitant to buy myself because of the gloss and not matte finish like the previous models
@@beats-by-skrill8925 I've seen them in person and again, nope. I just can't stand the high-gloss black plastic, much prefer the simpler, matte finish. Just a matter of personal taste, nothing more.
I agree with you. I'm lucky I have the old ones. The gloss finish is so distracting. Professional speakers are almost always matte. Having said that I don't agree with this review. They have plenty of bass and a super tight transient response and I find them very easy to make mix decisions on. You just have to set them up correctly. I also think that the top end is a bit brittle on the default setting (at least in my room and every room is different) but if you engage the HF trim that goes away.
I like them, they are kind of normal sounding, to me that means they aren’t very hyped. Sounds are normal. If source is bassy and boomy, it’s bassy and boomy. In a big room they go pretty low without a sub, I appreciate that. If the source sucks these suck. If the source is good these are good. I agree the detail is a little compressed feeling, but the highs can feel pristine. It’s hard to make decisions when that happens, because nothing sticks out at you as “wrong”.. and doing nothing can be the right answer. Versus plenty of speakers that send us down rabbit holes when the right answer was just leave it be. But yes, would want a second pair of unported passives or known pair to really trust anything 100% at least at first.
kali audio lp-8 review pleeeease
A speaker that can be manipulated with the ease with which you have done it, I do not think it can boast of a great quality of construction and perhaps of internal components
what about the krk rocket 4th generation
Please review ks digital c88
I wonder how those JBL stand up against the Adams and new Kali Audio LPN 3way speakers 🤔
I think the LP series is 2-way. The IN series are the 3-way from Kali.
Kali next please? Thanks.
The updated title 🤣
I've been using them for a few years now. and either I'm doing something wrong or they sound trash
Yamaha HS 8 would be great
Wat about the 5s
Mix on dull speakers so that if you can make YOUR mix sound great then you KNOW you have a great sounding mix everywhere.
But great sounding speakers make dull mixes still sound great. So if you’re mixing and you think it sounds great, it might actually be really dull.
This is “studio monitors 101”. It always has been. Ever since the 1970’s. Super easy concept.
Isn't flat and boring good in studio monitors?
knowing how the speakers and your room sound is better. and more importantly, they have to be able to deliver the transient response you need. yes, both tweeter and subwoofer are aligned timely (even some marketed “studio monitors” doesn’t do this)
Hi streaky can you review Ksd C88 monitors?
If they send them to me
Im happy with my adams t8vs.
Can you review the JBL M2? Lol
Do audition the kali IN5