The Effects of Grace, Justification, & Sanctification | Fr. Dominic Legge, O.P.

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  • @terrynboucher3219
    @terrynboucher3219 6 місяців тому +2

    This is the best presentation of the difference between the Catholic and Calvinist positions I have ever heard.

  • @Mkvine
    @Mkvine 6 місяців тому +2

    Great lecture

  • @superapex2128
    @superapex2128 6 місяців тому +1

    Cooperating Grace is a misnomer because it is God who operates our conversion: God 'cooperates' WITH HIMSELF in the ensuing sanctification process.
    This is the source of modern-day semi-pelagianism because it makes MAN the principal agent of his sanctification - not God.
    Saint Augustine would have said that it is the Holy Spriti who 'rectifies' our will and, when our will is made to coincide with the will of God, God can act 'through' us without any resistance.
    Here is how saint Paul expresses the same idea: 'Being confident (..) that He who has begun good works in you will perfect them unto the day of Christ' - Philippians 1:6.
    It is MAN who 'cooperates' with God by renouncing evil and embracing the Good of his own Free will - not the other way around.
    It is God who converts us and then works through us - our only 'participation' is to allow Him to do so.
    To think that the imperfect will of Man can be the source of his sanctification is delusional: Man can do SOME good but will never do all the good Providence requires of him - only God is Perfect, which is why only HE can be the source of our sanctification.

    • @anthonyw2931
      @anthonyw2931 3 місяці тому

      If this is your opinion so be it, but it differs from the saints mentioned. The passage given by St. Paul doesn’t imply that humans aren’t active participants. The lecture emphasis Aquinas’ view that our free will has a lot to do with the choices we make. But God’s Grace has everything…not separately but together. Orienting ourselves to Him is crucial. Otherwise we’d just be dolls or puppets.

    • @superapex2128
      @superapex2128 3 місяці тому

      @@anthonyw2931 We are WILLING 'puppets' - that's what it means to SERVE God.
      Did Christ not tell His disciples that He did NOTHING but what His Father told Him to do?
      What does that make Christ if not a 'puppet'?

    • @anthonyw2931
      @anthonyw2931 3 місяці тому

      @@superapex2128 then why is there even love or the desire to love Him. Or is that too a commandment without choice? Does God create some people to go to hell? In any case, that’s not Catholic doctrine.

    • @superapex2128
      @superapex2128 3 місяці тому

      @@anthonyw2931 We have a desire to love God because God is GOOD.
      This is not Catholic doctrine?

    • @anthonyw2931
      @anthonyw2931 3 місяці тому

      @@superapex2128 God has no qualifier to be loved except that He is God. Not because He is good. But if it is a debate to be won, you will always win. God bless you.