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I Got Access To Google's VS Code Killer | Project IDX First Look
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2023
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I got access to Google's latest developer tool called Project IDX. It is Google's take on a new form of developer workflow, but the real question is does it have what it takes to beat VS Code and Microsoft in the developer tool realm? Here are some of my initial thoughts.
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Microsoft borrows Chrome for their own web browser, and now Google borrows VS Code for their cloud development platform. If that isn't friendship, I don't know what is.
It's not friendship, it's just good business.
Its just forking open source projects.
Friendship between two biggest tech conglomerates in the world? Are you high? It's just how business and diplomacy works.
@@spythereYou missed sarcasm class in school right?
Actually Microsoft forked from VS Codium
The problem is when they monetize it it'll be a ridiculous subscription plan that will end being more expensive to own a very good computer in the long run.
That's what I'm curious to see as well. Wonder what their pricing will be
The real problem is when they kill it in 2025
pricing needs to be competetive with Github Codespaces or else they won't get users
I think I would prefer to have my code editor as an app on my local machine not on the cloud tbh. this is good for those who own lightweight machines. this has a potential to tie you in the subscription model ecosytems which I personally am not a fan of.
@@sanketss84 you can selfhost code-server by coder which would provide a similar but less-polished experience
This comes with privacy concerns. You can't really do a "secret project" with such a "tool".
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not only that. all it takes is one ddos attack and no one will be able to work
@@awex7 you can say that again
@@davebudahlike, a few million times?
I am aware that for Enterprise customers, Google has given users 100% assurance their code will not be used by Gen AI training.
Yes, let's use an online IDE so Google can train their AI on our code for free, only to then put us out of jobs. Great idea!
Exactly
so... don't use it.
They steal them anyway
whats funny is that they will ask their developers to avoid it
I didn't watch this video, but I'm curious… is this not going to be a Chromium like tool, in the sense that it'll be open source and people will simply distribute a ungoogled version of it?
2 major dealbreakers are that it's entirely on the cloud and that it's just vscode web. i hope they add some crazy functionality that makes it interesting... otherwise im just going to use vscode or another alternative
the difference from vscode web and this is that the extensions arent limited since its not limited to just the web apis. its running in a vm so its basically the full functionality of vscode
Not really. That's the thing Vscode Web it's.. well on the Web. These will be hosting on a machine so you can use all (or most) the extensions of Desktop.
I love how big companies compete for relevance and not necessarily ingenuity. Such as chromium dominating the browser space and edge running chromium, also project idx pretty much running vscode but capturing the web which vscode for the web isnt able to do
It's very similar to VS codespaces but with some slight changes here and there.
Huh? Azure already have a similar product.
I see what you mean, but it makes more sense to innovate rather than invent, and that doesn’t deprive the project of its ingenuity
The big problem with this is Google and its track record with projects / services. They shutter nearly every project they come out with after a couple of years. The uncertainty of the lifespan of everything they offer has made them unreliable for anyone to want to start transitioning or adopting anything they release now
Here's hoping this one has an extremely short lifespan. 😉
Like which ones? I want to know
@@gilbertsenyonjo963 One product I know is Google App Maker, they discontinued it when they bought Appsheet. It lasted maybe 4 or 5 years. I haven't used it but it is a competitor of ours. Another one that I can think of is Google Stadia.
@@gilbertsenyonjo963 You've never heard of the Google Graveyard? A few examples, Stadia, Google Wave, Google Code, Google Reader, Google Buzz, Picasa.
@@gilbertsenyonjo963 Google+,. Wave, Stadia, Inbox, Allo, Podcasts, Domains, Hangouts, Duo, Loon, Google Home Max, Swift for TensorFlow - just to name a few.
I've developed some trust issues with google on their tendency to cancel products or hike prices (workspace) for not good reason. I will stick with hosting my own code-server.
Which products have their cancelled?
@@gilbertsenyonjo963 all of them
@@gilbertsenyonjo963 someone made an entire list of products that Google has killed, search for "Killed by Google"
The IOS and Android Emulators drew me in. If I get to work on them live without switching hardware devices, this is an amazing project. Hope it works and more so... hope it lasts without burning deep into my pockets. Fingers crossed 🤞
Should be distributed as a docker container, seems really helpful for Flutter development from remote machine onto a central server.
Seems great for people starting out or doing side projects, but I'd be really weary about using this for any kind of tech business (though they are not likely the target audience at this time).
Some questions I'd want answered:
How is the internal network and vpn of a company supposed to work?
(Related to the above) How am I going to access my code from a repo only hosted on an internal network?
Google has a terrible reputation for collecting and capitalizing on user data, how can I know they aren't scraping proprietary code to train their AI or will misuse the code provided?
Assuming that it is encrypted, what level of encryption will my data and code have?
What safeguards are there in the event of a breach? This does after all open the possibility to "hack the mainframe" again.
In summary it’s NOT a VSCode killer 😂
I would still want to have full control of the infrastructure, myself. So, I'd run the back-end on my beefy workstation, and access it via a thinner [web] front-end. Some other IDEs, like Jetbrains Fleet, are set up to allow this. Otherwise, maybe just use X11 over SSH? Or use Vim and you can use any terminal emulator...
Nice to see someone mention X11. Everyone's going crazy over Wayland but it's so regressive in functionality. I hope X11 lives on in some form.
You can use VS code remote ssh, I use it always.
The fact that my code is going to run on the cloud bothers me. What will stop them to "acquire" parts of my code for their own purposes?
Since you mentioned replit, I know that when you use bard for an an assistance with code, a little replit button appears in the bottom. so, i see them showing a idx button in the future for a further push of idx
I mean, they already have colab, its great , fast and you can set up in no time. It is actually surprising, an editor took them this long.
Looks slick, never the less.
Nothing can replace my webstorm.
I love my webstorm set up. I do want to give Project IDX a fair shot though haha
You need VS code in your life 🥲
@@YourAverageTechBrowhat about fleet? What you guys think
GoLand for me. Basically, jetbrains kills it.
Bro nothing can replace notepad🫠🙃
It sounds good and I like the idea that I could develop a complex app in Google's cloud space using my arm-based Chromebook, but Google is their own worst enemy. They have launched so many good things in the past, like their own excellent line of Chromebooks, Stadia ... the list goes on, but they have no staying power. They lose interest, and then what they launched with a flourish disappears at some later date. After Stadia I moved across to XBox game pass and stream games in Microsoft's cloud space, so Microsoft won again!
Gonna be honest, Chromebook and Stadia sounds good until you see it. It's trash. Low end PC is already in the market with a lightweight Linux distro can easily contest with any Chrome OS. And if you go on about linux complexity then you have never used linux before. Stadia, unless you have Nasa wifi speed, you won't be playing it anytime soon.
Yes I love Google for they are trying to make technologies accessible for the low end people like us. I do respect it very much. But some of them just won't worked. I am pissed with Google for making trash laptop mainly. They should have made a high end laptop with their own OS that could compete against Macbook battery life and their qualities. Look at the Pixel series, arguably the best android devices you could find. Imagine a laptop that could compete against the Macbook battery life with an open source OS or just plain old window? Imagine the possibility!!!!! But no, stupid Chromebook. I'm in third world country but I would rather install my kid a linux distro if it ever comes to that time.
@@Yayaloy9Uhmmm… Asahi Linux supports M*, and on non-M* (intel) macs, you can install anything.
Its going to be interesting to see how this turns out. With all the new AI coding tools in the ide the futures going to be awesome!!
so essentially Google finally expanded Google Colab to other programming languages?
That's cool and would love to be able to code Javascript, C, Lua, SQL, etc in something like Google Colab!
I think this is more of a competition to Github Codespaces than to VSCode itself. If Microsoft decides to switch to BSL licence for VSCode, this is gonna hurt Google if they plan on monetising this.
If MS switches licenses that'll only apply to the latest versions and forks based off the open-licensed version will pop up and keep things up to date
Hmm.. I could see issues with google having access to all of the code you're working on - maybe one's employer doesn't want its coders to be giving access to google; They tend to lock things down to company-owned infrastructure. I suppose if they've got everything hooked up with GCP and do this as a company, it makes sense - but not as an individual.
Same with GitHub. 🤷🏾♂️
if i want to download the project from IDX to folder in my computer how? or mauby in my githup
what about colaboration work? is it possible to edit same file at same time (like in google docs)?
What about latency? If your keystrokes are sent to the cloud and you have to wait for the responses to come back ... even if the GCP servers are super fast, you can't avoid the transit time. If you're co-located in a google cloud server farm, maybe it's not an issue - but most of us will not be.
It’s fine, stuff like Google CoLab works pretty fine.
They don’t work super well with stuff like uh. GitHub Copilot
in something like terminal they could fake it easily, so there will be a latency but no one would notice if internet is good enough, for files etc it is same too, only latency you will see when saving the files
VSCode handles keyboard events in the client, so you shouldn't notice latency while typing.
@@mestoris yeah. Only issue might be like if two people are editing the same line.
And Google docs already works fine with that 🤷♀️
See you in a year when google pulls the plug
hahaha yeah google really gotta do better with that track record
Stadia(IDX) service is no longer available. Thanks for playing.
Hahahahaha
How much extra does it bring to table when vscode already has codespace and vscode server
Does this also have docker support for example? Can I create back end applications on it?
the sad thing is most of google’s idea only work within Google. And within a year they just kill it. And regarding development most developer would like to own what they work on.
I think this is really cool, and a good play from Google. I've always thought it was odd that they never tried harder to capitalize on their developer ecosystem.
You're totally right, Microsoft is absolutely dominant in the new-developer space. Almost any bootcamp is going to tell you to use VS Code, a lot of engineering degree programs have moved from teaching Java to C# and again recommend VS Code or VS. Not to mention Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub. I think it's great that Google is trying to launch a competitor here, especially a web-based one so that people can finally put to rest the "can you code on a Chromebook?" and encourage additional participation in Google's products.
I am a little concerned though about it being entirely cloud based. There are times when I'm disconnected from the internet and still need to work on a project and while those definitely aren't my normal days, I don't know if I could adopt a new environment that's wholly dependent on my internet connection. I do hope there's a desktop version available when this launches. I could seriously see this being a great contender to VS Code's ubiquity and dominance with or without a native desktop app regardless.
Totally agree. I think more competition will be good though - Microsoft is pushing google to build better products so I'm hoping that Google can do the same to Microsoft
@@YourAverageTechBro I want to love Microsoft so badly. From an early age, it was Windows machines that got me interested in computer hardware, and it was Windows as an OS that got me interested in software. Xbox got me interested in games in my teenage years. I unironically owe a lot to Microsoft in terms of my hobbies and professional development, but oh my G O D please get it together haha.
I'd love to see MS actually develop something novel, interesting, and competitive instead of throwing money around for acquisitions and killing half-baked projects haha. Here's hoping this fosters a healthy competition and we see some genuine advancements from both Google and Microsoft.
It is still vscode though
What I think is this will just be the google sheets to what excel is. Some people will use idx but most and all companies will just stick to what is tried and tested.
@@ShaneCurtis1705 Is it actually VsCodium though?
Will google also provide services like database, schedulers and in-memory cache in their own cloud env
Good video, bro. No unnecessary dramatics, 100% content & information.
My journey through programming had me having more internet connectivity issues than having access to something to code on. That was always the major limiter.
I'm talking... I had a pentium series cpu in 2012. So a total potato, but I could cook. I built a 2D and 3D game engine without internet on that thing.
Years prior ~08 I had a 1.3ghz single-core cpu which I didn't have for a while. So I used a 300mhz dell laptop... in 2008. I could write all the code I wished. On the 1.3ghz I could run multiple low-memory virtual environments. The 300mhz laptop turned into my wifi router at some point when I created my own crossover cable. Before that was possible, I was making websites with css, javascript, and php on a PSP. You read that right.
So this concept of hardware being a limiting factor and not internet is hogwash. Smartphones are like a PSP-9000 these days and if you are crafty, you can use one like a desktop more capable than the toaster I had in 2012.
Who in their right mind just hands the keys to all their code over to google? They can paywall you, block you, steal from you, spy on you, etc. I just don't understand why anyone would consider that option. Be it google or any other company.
Not to mention, google has a reputation (that is, a repeating history) of offering things for free, becoming market dominant, and then price gouging. Cutting the coin purses and tools right out of their peasants hands.
So naw, I'm good. To be clear, I'm not attacking the uploader. Its a good video and I dropped a like (as you should) for bringing up the discussion. Also I'm sporting Webstorm these days. VSCode was getting unreliable and laggy. Still on a 2013 cpu ;)
Try doing matrix calculations and machine learning on a shitty computer with no Cuda lmao
Google can't win me back as a developer until I see that they actually intend to stick with a product. So many things get released and just vanish.
Exra cookie features aside, how is it different from code servers which can be self-hosted too?
How to get access to this public preview??
only thing google is killing is this software after a year
Imagine Microsoft employee coding on google cloud , and google save every proprietary codes LOL
Can I do spring boot microservices in IDX? Or this is geared more on web and AI development only.
Cider is Clojure Interactive Emacs Repl. The screenshot you provided is Emacs with Zenburn theme with clojure code.
It will be interesting to know if this works on Firefox
Do Google keep the rights to any code
Obviously not. You own your code.
My concerns: they'll take my code, use it to train their AI's or perform analysis on a ton of private projects to feel the pulse of the developer ecosystem somehow. That's a slippery lope to loss of privacy over one's work. Simple though: do you want to store your .env files on a google server right now? I'll stick with Neonvim. That said, awesome video, mate!
Most decent programmers upload their projects to github soooo they kinda already doing that bud
But code cannot be trained on commercial code. @@softbread1728
Good video, bro. No unnecessary dramatics
100% content & information.
Within in how many days we can get the access to project idx
If I was to bet, I'll bet that IDX won't go anywhere. VS Code is great and most of Google's dev focused tools have died a painful death 😂
as long as they develop IDE based on VSCode, it will stay as its, just like eclipse has been forked by some company
Nothing can beat neovim
Does Google IDX support high end works like training large neural network in machine learning.
I'd really like to know how is the development experience when working with firebase functions as locally it really sucks.
A proprietary cloud-only solution from a company that has a history of axing products isn’t exactly a killer to an open-source solution like VS Code.
I will use it if it is capable of running Android/iOS device emulators.
Emulators are very resource hungry. It will be great if we can do Mobile development in 8 GB RAM laptop.
Bro it has been a week since I join the waitlist but still I didn't get accepted in project IDX
Do we already have a date when this is discontinued?
I think if your laptop is not fast enough to run a *text editor*, you *really* need a new laptop!
If you're going to offload some heavy processing, I'd say you should deploy those heavy bits to a set of containers in the cloud. That should be do-able without these changes to the IDE...
vscode is popular because its free , idea intelli j is popular amongst paid stuff but for web vscode is enough for 99%
vscode can do everything!
Can this be used to properly code on an iPad?
if i join the waitlist, will they email me or smth?
Excited to see more of Google's developer apps 🤩
Me too! I want google to succeed so badly lol like pleaseeee get it together
I think it'll be useful for beginners, but I really doubt that companies want Google to have access to their code.
But they are ok with Microsoft having it?
if is faster than replit will be cool to use it, people with ipad could definitely take advantage of it, and tbh if it works well they will be able to sell more Chromebooks... I wonder how it will work especially for large projects.
Good stuff, I gotta try it myself when it’s released.
It's interesting for sure!
I just hope this finally lets me edit plaintext files in Google Drive
wait why your mic from 3m before sound better then 3w?
Can we run Android Framework or middleware related project on the same? Because officially for this setup it required 32-64 GB RAM and 450 GB ROM, if we can run this setup here, will be very helpful. Please let me know if its possible?????
4:25 how are you overlaying your video in that circular frame and also able to move it ? what software is that ? can you please share this it would be super helpful.
people use loom a lo to do that
@@YourAverageTechBro thanks a lot for sharing this.
two difficulties I often find myself thinking about when contemplating adopting a google tech: 1) they talk about cool stuff but never release them, 2) they cancel a lot of what they release.
When do you think they are going to release it?
This is pretty dope. I’ve been wanting to do more cloud based development, so this would pretty cool to play with.
But why? What does it better than coding locally? jc
@@RIPenemie I'm looking at it from a sustainability front. If I can buy a system that runs on minimal hardware, but I can throw Linux on it for ten plus years, I'll create less waste. In theory, at least. I'm all for paying a subscription so long as the price is manageable, and I get a great deal of value from it. Even better if my clients cover the cost.
Can I run normal cpp codes here?
So what's different to codespace?
the color theme looks really good...what is it?
can it run ios simulators on the server?
It was damn good but your background music relates with me a lot!!
does it support windows 7 os?
Some cloud ide will never replace my reliable neovim setup that will also work offline.
Cant wait it to use it but having it offline available on local machine would be great for privacy issues. Google is on the go now wow
yeah, but the main thing is to run emu on clouds to save offline resources.
How much ram does this consume on chromium browsers?
The use of nix is incredibly interesting though. It makes devops a lot easier
If that isn't GitHub development than what it is, same as that vs code editor with GitHub hosted server to run code?
Im really excited about the on server android and ios device simulation. Will this be for only flutter or for any mobile development framework?
I think it is only Flutter for now (at least from what I've seen)
I am waiting for Game dev on cloud, what you think?
Looks good! thx
Does google peak at users code? That is my only issue with all cloud based tools.
Can you run .ipynb with it?
What will be the deprecation date for the Google IDX? 😅
You got the wrong screenshot of cider-ide in your video, it shows Emacs with the extension for Closure environment called CIDER, which has nothing to do with google's internal IDE.
Will Google discontinue the product after 6 months since public release?
Tbh this sounds good but what about privacy and what are the policies for using it.
Yeah like do they implicitly own intellectual property rights on everything I write and every idea that I create? I've often wondered if they use Google search queries to generate their Google X research projects.
Ok so how am I compiling for osx or windows if its a gcp vm eh? This is purely webdev.
I wonder how long it will last before cancelling.
I thought the title (and the overall video) to be misleading since this does not seem to be a rival of VS Code at all (as you mentioned yourself it mostly likely uses VS Code under the hood). It's clearly a rival of Github Codespaces, not VS Code itself.
A good overview.!
can you pleases give the current theme via github
This has been something you can do with normal vs code for a while. You can have a home server run vs code and connect to it from the web and run on your own server.
Cloud-based IDE was released around 2016 or even earlier. I used it around that time. Integration of cloud-based IDE with AI is expected.
Repl it has been acquired by google right?
Being able to view the output in flutter is a huge thing, using an emulator burns my laptop.
all we really want is a native implementation of VS Code and typescript so they run better
So what your saying is we have access to an IDE with no local Apache web server required
So how soon before this is listed on killed by google?
How does this differ from Google Colab?