@@Hayden-yb7yygoats was the most fun and the most pissed off i’ve ever been at ow. It was fun till every game was goats . It was the only reason I hit gm cause at the time I was a twin main 😂
Funny enough duo tanks still gets played a lot bc of supports lacking line of sight "game sense" to getting flanked in low to mid ranks such as plat and diamond. Then again this is only an opinion of someone who plays on console. So i could be way off base for the majority of the whole.
I think 5v5 is worse for getting steamrolled because you could have 1 or multiple people not playing well and instantly lose a match. Also I hate that since there isn't 2 tanks Rein gets destroyed even if you have a decent support line. I feel like most of his health is just cosmetic. I think he should be given back 625hp and maybe a slight speed buff so he doesn't need rely on lucio as much but I don't know how that would overall affect his performance.
TBH 5v5 is much more boring and overall worse (Console Player btw) If one of your teammates are bad, you INSTANTLY lose unless the enemy is the same way and in 6v6 you can make up for one bad player. Losing 1 tank makes support so much more boring. 6v6 had much more communication and room for errors so mistakes could be punished but also recovered from, while one mistake now is an almost instant loss...so on and so forth.
does anyone have the code used for that 1v1 map? i used to have it in overwatch 1 but i found playing it in ow2 it didnt have proper doomfist scaling or ow2 characters
It’s good to see that sometimes even high ELO gives you bs games where you get stomped by a team that is simply working together and you can’t tell if your Lucio is trolling.
I have had people on twitter try and convince me that 5v5 has more clutter and it drives me crazy One of them straight up thought orisa barrier was still in the game so that is the level we are at now i guess
Does anyone even play open queue since the tank health changes? My friends and I used to go open queue when we felt like playing double tank, but the health changes just made tanks worse dps lol. Except for Zarya, she's still fun. But honestly double shield can go to hell, played it back in ow1 and it was one of the most miserable times of my life. Anyways, love ya Flats!
So annoying when people talk about the “good old days” of OW. I was recently watching games from three years ago and the games were equally as chaotic as they are now. It drives me nuts when plat players on Reddit say that they miss the “tank synergy” and “team coordination” of OW and then I watch top 500 players do none of that. If top 500 lobbies were clown fiestas, then what do you think plat lobbies looked like?
Honestly, yeah. I miss the "tank synergy" but when I say that I mean whatever tank + zarya fucking lmao. Face it, we just miss the bubble that zaryas provided, we dont miss much "synergy"
Just watch some of the pro play breakdowns people did back in the day and you'll see. Games were fast paced but there's nuance to how you act when there's more players on the field which does make a difference. Plus judging by only watching it is a really weak position to stand on
@@igormarcautan8888 what makes you think I wasn’t watching critically? I was looking at the engagement timing, ability usage, comps, general positioning, etc. Obviously top 500 lobbies were really fast paced but it’s not like everyone was playing as an OWL team like the OW nostalgics would tell you. Some games were just as TDM-y as they are in OW2. Add to this that we’re talking about top 500 lobbies… how do you think metal ranked games looked?
Old overwatch was fun and yes probably more "balanced" aside from hog and doom (oh no, not balance). The hard part about overwatch 1 that needed to be changed was the stalemates from so many damn shields. I personally hate push and as a support am less of a fan of 5v5 but overall this was the correct decision. Next step is to figure out the damn ranking system, just give us back elo or something because this new shit is too confusing.
Ow1 was unbalanced because of shield and cc spam, not cuz of 6v6. if we kept the removal of cc and shields and kept 6v6 instead of changing to 5v5 we would be in a much better place rn.
You do realize the main reason cc was dominant was bc of double tank right? Most of the tank roster back in ow1 has cc of some kind, watching bogurs old vids made me realize that playing Mt was assss
flats be speaking half facts at the begining of this video, except back then there were better abilities, like 0 sweats so it was actually a game where we could have fun instead of going against plat players in ranked/unranked
I 1v free for all trash talkers, currently undefeated as Ana. Typically I get the first kill tbag and quit, 3 times had to go first to 3. Wish hero bans wasn't a thing in elimination, winners being locked would be an incredible mode
"not better balanced but it was much better" did you even consider what you're saying before you wrote it down? it's a pvp game, half of the fun comes from balance.
Dawg- do you wanna listen to what he’s saying next time? He’s saying that people view overwatch 1 like it was some paragon of perfection when it also had severe flaws, he’s not saying it was worse, he’s just calling people on their idealization of it
He's wrong. The game was factually more balanced with two tanks, allowing one of them to off tank and deal with the bullshit that gets to run rampant in this game. Yeah sure shields are bad, change shields, dont remove an entire character slot.
I prefer ow1 anyway, it was more strategic and fun, and I got hm 1 so easily in ow2 so isn’t about the rank or some shit, I was a masters player in ow1 and I still prefer those days
Convinced top 500 hates Overwatch 1 more than the rest of us. We weren't obsessed with Goats, we didn't have to endure a broken ass meta because we didn't tryhard every. damn. game. We played... for fun. Sorry but if these are the players we're balancing the game around and they're still complaining I say stuff them, why do we keep suffering through dumb stuff like hanzo's infinite range with one hit capability or constant shield nerfs making is so we have to readjust our playstyle for the 400th time JUST so that the 500 players of our thousand base of players can have slightly more fun than the rest of us. I used to love watching Flats and now It's like you're a different person on a whole different level. I liked Overwatch and I can't express how disappointing it is to find out how arrogant our streamers, the voices of our community, are getting. Maybe I'm just blaming them for the poor state of balance my tier is in. But it's not like Blizzard listens to anyone else but them. They're getting the supports changed. They're getting all the dumb DPS rebalances They're the ones who had the second tank slot removed from the game.
game play wise i’m not sure if you could compare it, they are both very close to me but different enough. However, i would say ovw was better than ovw2 overall for a couple main reasons. 1) all the monetization and overpriced skins in the shop. (NOTE: I love the thought of funding games that i love and adore through battle passes and stuff but the shop is absolutely terrible and the fact you can’t get coins through the BP or anything is insane AND hero’s being locked to buying the battle pass or getting 1/2 way though it is a bit ridiculous.) and 2) the comp system, compared to ovw is **respectfully** the trashiest system i’ve ever even heard of in video games. when i still played comp it made me happy to finally get the last win i needed so i could stop and to inevitably just rank the exact same or lower because i don’t wanna play it anymore. :)
^^Basically to sum it up, i’d like ovw2 a lot more and be able to stand it more if comp didn’t feel like prison and if the shop wasn’t overpriced and too expensive AND you could get coins without having to buy it. :/
@@Jess-tr4tcI agree somewhat, but heros aren't just locked to bp, for the start yes, you could either play the game to unlock the. Free by doing battle pass, or paying right away for said battle pass. And if you don't do that you can do said hero challenge which unlocks then free
@@Jess-tr4tc really depends on which one you trying to unlock if you need to see for which charcters go to your challenge thing and go to last sections it tells you all of the
6v6 was better for the game, Not more balanced due to some EASY TO FIX things You know how to fix dual shields? Remove hard shields - make shields like sigma REDUCE incoming damage not mitigate it entirely. Easy fix.
I honestly hate to say it, but OW2..... is... better then OW1. I just hate that they gave up on the character perk storyline stuff, and with the waste of time they spent trying to make it, they didn't add more interesting characters. I remember them saying they had so many. Adding more characters to the roles is a good thing for the game. We all as humans are diverse, and a game that can property handle a majority of the complicated minds and cultures that we have in this world.... it would have been so good. Even with broken heroes....
Dear flats: Please consider playing another fps more! I really like your content but I find it more and more difficult to watch overwatch content. I'd like to see ya play any other fps that you enjoy and would enjoy watching ya get better at it. Your fans like you for you butthead, this games dead.
Because this game is a first person shooter and its called support because their only role isn't to put you on a leash and dog walk you with heals, its to also assist and get kills themselves, because this is a fcking first person shooter. You want more braindead healbots?? Pick up support and do it yourself and see how far it takes you.
Ahh yes, because having a character that can’t defend themselves or provide help to their team on any type of push map during overtime will definitely balance the game, fucking think for once, do some supports need their damage nerfed? Definitely, but to say they should be literally health packs might be the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen
Flats and KarQ are gonna be gods at Lijiang control centre overtime 1v1s
EXCUSE ME. I wasn’t playing goats. YOU were playing goats, flats. I was playing pharah reaper in silver, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Bro if I saw that enemy team I’m hopping off too🤣 that’s terrifying
Launch overwatch was something else. Still miss my other tank. :(
Launch overwatch role queue didn't exist low key goats was the best ever meta
Launch was the uber fun time with no hero locks.
@@Hayden-yb7yygoats was the most fun and the most pissed off i’ve ever been at ow. It was fun till every game was goats . It was the only reason I hit gm cause at the time I was a twin main 😂
@@drakegotcakelol it was so much fun to play rein in goats and get multiple shatters in a single fight
I miss running duo tank, but 5v5 is a better game overall
Funny enough duo tanks still gets played a lot bc of supports lacking line of sight "game sense" to getting flanked in low to mid ranks such as plat and diamond. Then again this is only an opinion of someone who plays on console. So i could be way off base for the majority of the whole.
@@Lanewreck Are you referring to open queue or Brig?
I think 5v5 is worse for getting steamrolled because you could have 1 or multiple people not playing well and instantly lose a match.
Also I hate that since there isn't 2 tanks Rein gets destroyed even if you have a decent support line. I feel like most of his health is just cosmetic.
I think he should be given back 625hp and maybe a slight speed buff so he doesn't need rely on lucio as much but I don't know how that would overall affect his performance.
TBH 5v5 is much more boring and overall worse (Console Player btw)
If one of your teammates are bad, you INSTANTLY lose unless the enemy is the same way and in 6v6 you can make up for one bad player.
Losing 1 tank makes support so much more boring.
6v6 had much more communication and room for errors so mistakes could be punished but also recovered from, while one mistake now is an almost instant loss...so on and so forth.
Tanking in overwatch 2 feels awful at the moment. Counter-picking fiesta.
does anyone have the code used for that 1v1 map? i used to have it in overwatch 1 but i found playing it in ow2 it didnt have proper doomfist scaling or ow2 characters
Honestly I prefer 6v6 I find it more interesting but that's just me
No that’s me too buddy.
It’s good to see that sometimes even high ELO gives you bs games where you get stomped by a team that is simply working together and you can’t tell if your Lucio is trolling.
I have had people on twitter try and convince me that 5v5 has more clutter and it drives me crazy
One of them straight up thought orisa barrier was still in the game so that is the level we are at now i guess
Whew flats put that hurt down, that last game tho.. Good game dudes
Flats should be a dps player confirmed
Rein zarya and winton dva was the best thing ever happened
Does anyone even play open queue since the tank health changes? My friends and I used to go open queue when we felt like playing double tank, but the health changes just made tanks worse dps lol. Except for Zarya, she's still fun. But honestly double shield can go to hell, played it back in ow1 and it was one of the most miserable times of my life. Anyways, love ya Flats!
All that waiting just to get 0-2'd. feelbsbadman
10:04 hey guys it's the real Saitama vs tatsumaki battle
So annoying when people talk about the “good old days” of OW. I was recently watching games from three years ago and the games were equally as chaotic as they are now. It drives me nuts when plat players on Reddit say that they miss the “tank synergy” and “team coordination” of OW and then I watch top 500 players do none of that. If top 500 lobbies were clown fiestas, then what do you think plat lobbies looked like?
Also the game wasnt as well understood, so if we were to revert the balance changes over the years, it would just break everything
Honestly, yeah. I miss the "tank synergy" but when I say that I mean whatever tank + zarya fucking lmao. Face it, we just miss the bubble that zaryas provided, we dont miss much "synergy"
It's a bunch of people who are just complaining to complain. Most of them never even plated ow1. It's just a huge echo chamber of hating
Just watch some of the pro play breakdowns people did back in the day and you'll see. Games were fast paced but there's nuance to how you act when there's more players on the field which does make a difference. Plus judging by only watching it is a really weak position to stand on
@@igormarcautan8888 what makes you think I wasn’t watching critically? I was looking at the engagement timing, ability usage, comps, general positioning, etc. Obviously top 500 lobbies were really fast paced but it’s not like everyone was playing as an OWL team like the OW nostalgics would tell you. Some games were just as TDM-y as they are in OW2. Add to this that we’re talking about top 500 lobbies… how do you think metal ranked games looked?
6:09 (nice) how didn't flats realise he had 1 hp???
Edit: Support passive saved you
I kinda want a full stream with full screen translucent flats
Sorry Flats, I like 6v6 better. I agree it wasn't any more balanced but it could've been. OMG that mag grenade hahaha
Anyone got the Custom Game Code for this 1v1?
Please and Thank You🙏🏻
People forget you and karQ are cracked omg
Old overwatch was fun and yes probably more "balanced" aside from hog and doom (oh no, not balance). The hard part about overwatch 1 that needed to be changed was the stalemates from so many damn shields. I personally hate push and as a support am less of a fan of 5v5 but overall this was the correct decision. Next step is to figure out the damn ranking system, just give us back elo or something because this new shit is too confusing.
exactly. people keep equating ovw1 and 6v6 with barrier hell like they havent changed that already for ow2 with orisa
Necromancer is the best Ram skin tbh
It’s crazy how am having the same experience with rank games. It’s not fun at all
i think 6v6 would have been fine if they split the tanks into primary and off tanks,think the main issue was just to many shields
Like make the tanks weaker? Then wouldn't they be glorified DPS? Honestly it's a bad idea to have two bullet sponges imo
@@Grimnoire only one tank with a shield,and they got buffed in response to reducing it to one tank
Ow1 was unbalanced because of shield and cc spam, not cuz of 6v6. if we kept the removal of cc and shields and kept 6v6 instead of changing to 5v5 we would be in a much better place rn.
No
You do realize the main reason cc was dominant was bc of double tank right? Most of the tank roster back in ow1 has cc of some kind, watching bogurs old vids made me realize that playing Mt was assss
The wash-off of the century ?
This guy is definitely not flat!
The fact tht ppl call flats bad then he cn beat other top500s in 1v1s is crazy to me
I always thought same, when was Overwatch really balanced? Never, 100% Balance is almost impossible. Just like every other MP Game.
Wholesome
Disappointed to see that the video is not about who deletes this game first
You people are so annoying
How is the gametyp called?
much love flats :)
flats be speaking half facts at the begining of this video, except back then there were better abilities, like 0 sweats so it was actually a game where we could have fun instead of going against plat players in ranked/unranked
Anyone know how to make this custom lobby or if there is a code?
Can anyone tell me code/name of the map please and thank you!
If Overwatch wasn’t counter watch I’d play it more tbh. Tank has been so un fun since overwatch 2.
Overwatch 1 was good times.
1: Mei could still freeze people with her primary, m1.
The rest was kinda shit. (not all of it, just most of it.)
I 1v free for all trash talkers, currently undefeated as Ana. Typically I get the first kill tbag and quit, 3 times had to go first to 3. Wish hero bans wasn't a thing in elimination, winners being locked would be an incredible mode
How do I make this custom mode? Is there a code?
Season three was hard
Anyone knows the code to this mode?
i want what flats is on, mate says ow2 is better than 1
overwatch 1 was a better game, maybe not better balanced but it was much better
"not better balanced but it was much better" did you even consider what you're saying before you wrote it down? it's a pvp game, half of the fun comes from balance.
I´m going to be real with you, its not that ow1 was better, is that you miss the feeling you had while playing 1, pure unadulterated nostalgia
I'm not sure what's bigger, flats or his ego
I just don’t want a battlepass I want loot box
2:26 sick 🤮🤮🤢🤢
>not saying OW2 is better
That's literally what you're saying though???
Pretty sure all eh was saying that overwatch 1 balance was so bad compared to overwatch 2
You literally tuned out the part where he talked about the "balance" part
Dawg- do you wanna listen to what he’s saying next time? He’s saying that people view overwatch 1 like it was some paragon of perfection when it also had severe flaws, he’s not saying it was worse, he’s just calling people on their idealization of it
Only thing OW1 did better was matchmaking and rank system.
He's wrong. The game was factually more balanced with two tanks, allowing one of them to off tank and deal with the bullshit that gets to run rampant in this game. Yeah sure shields are bad, change shields, dont remove an entire character slot.
Whats the code?
I prefer ow1 anyway, it was more strategic and fun, and I got hm 1 so easily in ow2 so isn’t about the rank or some shit, I was a masters player in ow1 and I still prefer those days
how do you play 1v1!?
It's a workshop map
@@tag8982do you know the code?
Flats needs powerful shit? I got him (don't take this seriously)
Convinced top 500 hates Overwatch 1 more than the rest of us. We weren't obsessed with Goats, we didn't have to endure a broken ass meta because we didn't tryhard every. damn. game. We played... for fun.
Sorry but if these are the players we're balancing the game around and they're still complaining I say stuff them, why do we keep suffering through dumb stuff like hanzo's infinite range with one hit capability or constant shield nerfs making is so we have to readjust our playstyle for the 400th time JUST so that the 500 players of our thousand base of players can have slightly more fun than the rest of us.
I used to love watching Flats and now It's like you're a different person on a whole different level.
I liked Overwatch and I can't express how disappointing it is to find out how arrogant our streamers, the voices of our community, are getting.
Maybe I'm just blaming them for the poor state of balance my tier is in. But it's not like Blizzard listens to anyone else but them.
They're getting the supports changed.
They're getting all the dumb DPS rebalances
They're the ones who had the second tank slot removed from the game.
game play wise i’m not sure if you could compare it, they are both very close to me but different enough. However, i would say ovw was better than ovw2 overall for a couple main reasons. 1) all the monetization and overpriced skins in the shop. (NOTE: I love the thought of funding games that i love and adore through battle passes and stuff but the shop is absolutely terrible and the fact you can’t get coins through the BP or anything is insane AND hero’s being locked to buying the battle pass or getting 1/2 way though it is a bit ridiculous.) and 2) the comp system, compared to ovw is **respectfully** the trashiest system i’ve ever even heard of in video games. when i still played comp it made me happy to finally get the last win i needed so i could stop and to inevitably just rank the exact same or lower because i don’t wanna play it anymore. :)
^^Basically to sum it up, i’d like ovw2 a lot more and be able to stand it more if comp didn’t feel like prison and if the shop wasn’t overpriced and too expensive AND you could get coins without having to buy it. :/
@@Jess-tr4tcI agree somewhat, but heros aren't just locked to bp, for the start yes, you could either play the game to unlock the. Free by doing battle pass, or paying right away for said battle pass. And if you don't do that you can do said hero challenge which unlocks then free
@@lawless7512 That’s true, I forgot about that. Although what challenges do you have to do to unlock the characters?
@@Jess-tr4tc really depends on which one you trying to unlock if you need to see for which charcters go to your challenge thing and go to last sections it tells you all of the
6v6 was better for the game,
Not more balanced due to some EASY TO FIX things
You know how to fix dual shields? Remove hard shields - make shields like sigma REDUCE incoming damage not mitigate it entirely.
Easy fix.
I was like #1000 neat
6v6 was much better, ill die on this hill
OW1 aka 6vs6 was better - change my mind
Hey flats. Come back and say the same shit now about overwatch 1. Bet you miss it with this new tank update. Gigatanks are here.
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I rather play OW1
I honestly hate to say it, but OW2..... is... better then OW1. I just hate that they gave up on the character perk storyline stuff, and with the waste of time they spent trying to make it, they didn't add more interesting characters. I remember them saying they had so many. Adding more characters to the roles is a good thing for the game. We all as humans are diverse, and a game that can property handle a majority of the complicated minds and cultures that we have in this world.... it would have been so good. Even with broken heroes....
Is strimmer okay? No flats two for two days 😢
Dear flats:
Please consider playing another fps more! I really like your content but I find it more and more difficult to watch overwatch content. I'd like to see ya play any other fps that you enjoy and would enjoy watching ya get better at it.
Your fans like you for you butthead, this games dead.
this shows how much supports need to be nerfed to the ground they should just be health packs why do they get to deal damage too its DUMB
Because this game is a first person shooter and its called support because their only role isn't to put you on a leash and dog walk you with heals, its to also assist and get kills themselves, because this is a fcking first person shooter. You want more braindead healbots?? Pick up support and do it yourself and see how far it takes you.
Ahh yes, because having a character that can’t defend themselves or provide help to their team on any type of push map during overtime will definitely balance the game, fucking think for once, do some supports need their damage nerfed? Definitely, but to say they should be literally health packs might be the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen
@@Nyx_404 why does dps even exist if healers can dps its dumb.
@@alexandredasilvavilasboasrosas no because healers should pocket dps because were the ones with the skill
@@litrogue6328your just mad that zen has gold damage and elims cause you keep feeding your brains out to the enemy 😂😂😂