Seven Labour MPs resign from party over Corbyn’s leadership
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2019
- Not for almost 40 years has there been such a split in British politics.
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Seven Labour MPs walked out of the party they once loved over Jeremy Corbyn, Brexit, anti-Semitism and what they call the "machine politics of the hard left". So can a new political movement fly? Who would vote for it?
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When in doubt,always blame "Brexit Uncertainty".
Correct if something goes wrong it's because of brexit, If something goes right it's in spite of brexit .
Elected on Labour manifesto, so shouldn't by-elections be held in these seven seats?
Yes they should.
Yes. definitely.
Not how it works
Definitely.
I think they will be forming new party. They still MP
Ummuna et al,
1.) If you want "People's Vote" stand for by-election.
2.) Repeatedly told us to stay in the EU and reform it from within, yet cannot be bothered to stay in Labour Party and do the same there.
3.) Did you leave Labour Party without a deal??? Is it a soft or hard "leave" ?
Listen pal, we don't want them in the Labour party!
Common Sense
Bravo! Well said!
I'm still on the fence about the whole thing but if you join a political party with a clear understanding of the values of that political party and that party fails, shouldn't you leave?
I'm thinking more about 'Republicans" in America who have become the party of Trump. They were elected because of their commitments to Republican values and now they're being told to support Trump values as if that's what the people voted for.
And I think the defectors might be on to something about 20th century politics. Who do we vote for and why? How do we get the party we vote for to change if we're voting for the least worst option? Brexit might be the excuse but it's a clear one. A Tory vote is a vote for no deal/May's deal/Norway+/referendum/general election. How does it make more sense to stay with the status quo when the status quo makes no sense? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to vote for the values that are important rather than the name on the ticket? For the person you support not the leader? For the best choice not the best chance to defeat someone you dislike?
I can't help but wonder if politicians had split into the camps that make up the different Brexit options rather than the normal party lines what would have happened. Maybe a clearer mandate that represents more people can only come out of a new system.
We don’t want the Blairites. Any more who want to resign, do so now. If they are so brave, they would resign their seats. Let’s be having you!
Are they Blairites? What does that even mean?
Nothing worse than a Corbynite.
Right wing pro Tory pro corporate anti worker fake left Labour MP’s. The enemy of the working class and unemployed
Frank field first then!
you mean MPs who are really concerned with Corbyn's stance on national security- which at moment is if were attacked- he wants to " talk it out" what ever that means, as sorry to say this but a pacifist is not fit for office! and i haven't even mentioned the intern racist's - please ask more yourself more about who this man is!?!?!?!?!?!?
"thank u, next" - Jeremy Corbyn, 2019
Why have you got a picture of my girlfriend as your profile pic?
A kto wy takaya? Don't tell me, born and bred in Burton-upon-Trent.
Jeremy Corbyn - less than 100 seats 2020.
@@frazerduncan356 And that's something to celebrate?
@@BogushCh I won't celebrate because it's inevitable. He'll get absolutely smashed.
Nobody in their right mind would vote for them. They should call by-elections in their constituencies, stand as independents and put their mandates to the test.
Blairism is dead. Bye bye
Corbynism is dead. They'll never win.
Corbyn is as fare from Blairism as you can get.
@@peteratkin3788 What is 'Blairism'?
No. It found a new home in the blue corner
As is Corbynism
It was hardly a split....more of a whimper.
SWINDON STUDENT I’d say more like a crack 👍🏼
Burgon seems to regret their leaving. But the Momentum heavies are dancing with joy.
SWINDON STUDENT tip of the iceberg
Nah Swindon don't underestimate the traitors still there the hounds of the Baskerville have nothing on the ones still there ! Peace
@@ianbuchan1793 Defoe Ian watch out 4 Watson ! Peace
Best thing that has happened this year. Now labour supporters can actually get some real MPs for their party. Wonder what chukka thinks of being called a funny tinge
i'm black and i think hez a funny tinge
Only terrorists in labour
Hello Luciana.
You have my absolute solidarity and support re: the disgusting abuse you have received and documented. It’s vile and unconscionable. Beyond that, however, here’s what I think.
I don’t think you joined Labour to change the world or achieve real social justice. I think you joined Labour because of personal ambition. That’s borne out by your being parachuted into a safe seat regarding which, at the time, you knew nothing.
It’s also borne out by your extraordinarily weak record on challenging the Israeli government on more or less anything; and your desire to ignore the very real problems with several of the IHRA examples, and misrepresent Labour’s code of conduct.
In 2015, through Corbyn’s election, Labour changed. Suddenly, it was no longer a party in which you and your fellow ‘centrists’, like Chuka, could expect to one day lead. You’ve had no idea what to do with yourself since - other than oppose Corbyn and try to get rid of him.
A fairly remarkable position, given the enormous amount of funds, members and energy which Corbyn has brought to the Labour movement: which was bankrupt, broken and without a clue before he was elected. Indeed, that’s a large part of WHY he was elected.
Right now, the UK has its worst government in living memory - maybe, ever. This government is doing unspeakable things on a daily basis to the most vulnerable people. Socialists fight for those people and stand up to such a government. You prefer smearing Corbyn instead.
In that regard, the Tories must love you. I highly doubt most of your constituents do, though. If you feel unwelcome, I’d suggest it’s because you’ve done little other than undermine the leader and the movement he’s delivered at each and every turn. Helping the Tories, not Labour
I write, incidentally, as a Jew and grandson of a Holocaust survivor. I know precisely where antisemitism can lead. Which is why I’m happy that Labour held an investigation, reported on it, then developed an excellent code of conduct. Which you chose to misrepresent.
In that, you’ve only done the same thing as many many others. But sadly, it means I doubt your integrity. I think you WANT to make this whole thing much bigger than it is; I think you’re only motivated by a desire to bring Corbyn down. That saddens me, greatly.
I wish you well because I wish all people well. But I, like many more British Jews than is commonly assumed or reported, stand with Corbyn who is not a racist, nor an anti-semite. And who actually wants to improve the lives of the British people. Shame on him for that, huh?
Shaun Lawson
Well said.
Cripes. Doff the cap sir.
That is a rare example of a genuinely considered and exceptionally structured argument in any youtube comments section. What a shame it will be drowned out by the braying mob.
I for one am better for having read it. Thank you.
Beautifully put sir. They always value their own position over the people they are supposed to represent.
Your wrong the Labour party is now a joke and the leader is an antisemit.
@TheActivistBook Abbott should quit she's a joke.
Excellent. I want Labour and the Tories to be as divided as possible in order to break up the two-party system.
Would be good to see the uk at least catch up to the 20th century
If one reads too much of Jimbo's ramblings one gets to agreeing with him.
I cant see any tory breaking away. They will be rubbing their hands as labour implodes
FPTP will always create a two-arty outcome. Even PR will have a two-party outcome. Single Transferable Vote is the system that will do most to strike a good balance between smaller and larger parties.
The only true democracy is proportional representation.We changed to this in NZ a while ago and it gives much more of a choice to the electorate.It's actually mixed member proportional,which means you have two votes:one for the electorate candidate and one for whichever party.Both can be the same or different.So it's a hybrid with a 5% threshold for a party to get any seats with the party vote. Stops too much fragmention.Now we have four major parties instead of two,thus needing coalitions.
These people never loved the labour party.
Burgon admitted there was unacceptable behaviour. Listen to Tom Watson.
No one should love a political party. Such organisations are merely platforms to allow MPs to get work done collectively ...well that's the ideal.
Good point. I trust Tom Watson less that these defectors.
Good to see Corbyn dealing with racism by making sure that racists like Angela Smith no longer feel welcome in the party.
Bye bye opportunists self serving political ambition.
Yeah, right. And John McDonnell and Jezza aren't self serving!!
Gar Sm Right winger disgruntled.
I believe that hue of mud can be slung at all MPs.
I wondered what would be Chukkas downfall.
Chuka love for Chuka was always going to be his own...
steven davis he is now.
I always thought it would be cocaine....
FReSh JiVE lol.
@@bigpete4227 time will tell all secrets....
They will get tons of dosh and media support.
And no votes.
Nooooooooo, I was hoping it would be the end of them but you're soooo right. They fear Corbyn so much that they're prepared to sabotage his challenge to Liar May.
Good.
I'm sure Tony will welcome them with open arms and the right mates to donate money.
You can bet your life Blair will be funding this with his blood money. It's why they chose a way of legally being able to avoid being open about their funding.
The phrase "politically homeless", well I had been politically homeless for most of my life until Jeremy Corbyn offered hope for the future. I support and stand with the Labour Party and their policies.
Talk about a heavy pair of rose tinted spectacles.
What's your favourite policy?
Nationalisation of utilities and rail. Better funded public services.
@@sadhappy8860 I pretty much support most of the policies, the one that means the most to me is that Labour recognises the importance of tackling Climate change, it needs to be radical and would be a long term project, yes for me climate change is at the top of my list.
@@CraftingLindy What about the Green Party? They are radical in combating climate change
Labour is better off without people who support water privatisation
None of this means anything. They're all the same. Chuka makes me puka. Honestly, all these politicians are a dime a dozen. The UK hasn't had a serious government for the people in over a hundred years. What was the difference between Labour Blair and Conservative Cameron. NOTHING.
Chuka talks of modernising politics. We should allow constituents to be able to submit recall petitions (without needing an MP to have committed crime or been suspended for more than 14 days) and boot out MPs who no longer represent them.
Good news my Nan has found her bike
So glad for her - was it that three wheeler with the basket - I don't mean that Chucka bloke who left the party...
Give me back the bike I stole off your nan
The "funny tinge" Group
Mmmmmm didn't notice that.
Preaching about racism and antisemitism whilst using phrases like "Funny tinge"
wasn't this just a honest slip of the tongue though
@MGBricks i think racist is a bit of a stretch with no evidence. I also dont think people analyse every word they say, especially if it be offensive.
@MGBricks if youve listened to the soundbite and the context, then it was clearly very awkward wording and delivery but was a slip of the tongue, she didnt even finish the word for heavens sake. Im not even a supporter but by labeling her a racist while she was talking about the increased struggle put on BAME women makes you an extremist. The message is more important than the dilivery. Something to think about...
@@QwadLuzr I honestly dont think there are many (if any) antisemites in the labour party. Especially in its elected officials. Its the same sort of person to call antisemitism as @MGBricks earlier call of racism. Usually they hear something against Israel and instantly jump to antisemitism.
@@Runnin4Trees So the the same people weren't racists when Miliband was in charge?
And of the 7 deserters, that Scouser women is a disgrace to Liverpool. I hope Ma Boswell gives her a dirty look next time she comes across the treacherous backstabber!
Sandy Mendez. She ain’t scouse rofl she is a carpetbagger
@@isaactrio Sorry for assuming she was a Liverpudlian.
by elections needed
Ummuna just wants to dictate to party members. Anyone who disagrees with them gets accused of abuse.
Let me get this right - they believe in the right to split from an institution that allowed them to become MP’s but they want the UK to remain within the institution the public voted to leave??
Yep. Self aggrandising, despicable crew who don't care about individuals.
Heard it all before....nonsense. They have no excuses other than responding to "The Lobby". Is more than obvious. Pathetic really!
I stand with Jeremy Corbyn.
Louise Gardiner you poor thing
And hopefully you’ll fall with him too.
Lots of tory funded Cambridge Analytica bots posting here.
@@davelong9055 Wonderfully erudite and well-thought out argument there Dave.
From your assessment I take it you are a labour voter?
@Amanda Hughes To be specific, I think they don't represent the scared-of- working class.
Chuka you are a hard core remainer. Stop moaning and resign as you can’t respect the wills of the people. We are happy to be independent on 29th of March #JC4PM💖❤️
The failure of this breakaway group of selfservatives is going to be comedy gold.
Luciana is the only MP out of this group has a genuine grievance which was not addressed by Senior Labour Politicians. How she was continuing threatened and the comments about her online are disgusting. Shame on Labour.
Good riddance, now call a by election
This with "I'm the Labour..." beginning of her speach was so havely scripted. No Oscar for you this year, you could do better. I'm not supporter of any party but this people are funny!
All we can hope, is that its the last we hear of this pathetic lot.
A website registered in a tax haven..
I smell a Mandelson.
The problem is that Labour MPs want to choose the leader. They have never come to terms with Labour Party democracy and have no respect for party members.
I have British citizens and politics in very high regard, but with the current political unrest and looming brexit, I'm afraid Britain will become significantly weaker, economically and socially. In Holland we used to look to the West (UK/USA) for innovation and justice, while the East was corrupt and inefficient. We still do that quite a lot, but right now Britain appears more and more to be a patient in need of help due to continuously inflicting damage to her self. But who knows, maybe we should celebrate this variety of political discourse and see it at progress for democracy. Time will tell.
GREXIT next...LONG LIVE GREECE.
I hope these seven individuals have the decency to resign honourably and return to the people who elected them and hold elections.How dare they use the party they were elected to represent then stab the same party in the back and set up their own party!!! There’s a way to go about these matters and this is not it.Theses 7cowards know the constitution of the party they were in but instead chose to better themselves and take for granted the people who elected them as mp,s!! These hypocrites are ensuring they have their pockets lined!!!
Channel 4 News sucking up to Chukkas Lonely Hearts Club Band
This is premium top dollar marketing media support.
🤣😂👌
This is all about Corbyn's support for the plight of the Palestinian people and his criticism of Israel. The fact that the person in question in Liverpool who is apparently responsible for antisemitic bully of Berger is actually a Jew speaks volumes for the delusion Berger and her supporters are in.
Anti Israel is NOT Anti Semitic which is Anti Jewish.The State of Israel is one of the biggest single threats in the Middle East peace and the Poms are in part to blame.
Well pointed out. Thanks for that fact
Are you as so thick as mince that you cannot see the extent of antisemitism in Labour.
VaucluseVanguard, so your great plan to win this argument is to insult me? Bravo. LP is not institutionally antisemitic and there's NO evidence of that. Members abusing Berger on twitter don't count as institutionally antisemitic. Nor do Jews who attack Jews for their racist policies (as was the case for Berger and her local CLP). How about *YOU* show some evidence that the LP is constitutionally antisemitic, or go away and cry in the corner as you get fail to go onto the Independents' broken down site.
VaucluseVanguard where do you get your research from, the Tory MSM
I'm absolutely delighted to hear all these Blairites have left the party. Hopefully they'll have taken Margaret Hodge and all the anti semitism smear nonsense with them. She's still there? Then I guess Israel must have decided to keep her there, to try to create more trouble.
It´s not a good sign for Labour, especially for Jeremy Corbyn. But 7 are not a split and media should not make a disaster of it. But many more Labour MPs are dissatisfied with Corbyn's leadership style and "strategy" in these landmark days. Watch out for the greater picture. I see a disaster coming for both main parties, the Tories and Labour. Democracy is at stake, as well as the well being of many people for a long time. Brexit concentrates the errors and failures in politics. It has nothing, or very little to do with the EU. Socialist, centrist ore what ever, it does not matter if British politics is one big mistake. ALL will lose!
Yeah not sure about your predicted looming disaster. But I don't think any leader of any party could rally the support of their entire party during such trying times. On such a divisive issue. Brexit.
Those MP's will soon be forgotten. They made sure of that by splitting from their party and not even starting or joining another or even laying out what they stand for. 7 MP's is nothing, this is not a split, it's a whimper. Just 7 like-minded people, probably friends all deciding the same thing.
Thank goodness. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
jzilla1234 that’s for their constituents to decide not you
Corbyn welcome to#10
Corbyn is toast.
JC4PM!
It's been fun though, like having the outrageous uncle over for dinner, as long as he doesn't stay the night & gets a taxi...
😅😂🤣😂😅🤣🤡
They've booked a phone box for their party conference
The defecting MP's would do well to remember the words of Maggie 4 years after the founding of the SDP. A soufflé does not rise twice.
Sorry. They are the SDP with less competence. Perhaps they think that answering questions to journalists is old fashioned.
It's a mainstream media plot. Just read Jezza on Facebook and all will be well.
As soon as she said they stand for social justice I knew they could be dismissed. A true centre party would utterly reject that toxic ideology.
What's wrong with social justice?
Gar Sm If you have to ask you’re probably too indoctrinated to listen to an answer.
Of all the criticisms that could of been used, social justice is the one that put you off. Why? Who wouldn't want social justice?
Ye, you have no business defining who constitutes the center.
@@louisegardiner1521
I think there's 'social justice' and social justice.
It's the same way that almost everyone supports equality between the sexes, and yet every survey that asks people if they are a 'feminist' comes back with a relatively small percentage.
From all the issues they could've chosen they chose a non-existent one. Bravo like they say.
By you leaving the party you given the opposite chance to win the game
I smell toast. Flat toast. 🤓
Collins former speech writer for War Criminal Blair
That explains it.
No government, and no opposition. What a mess.
How is the party political system broken????
This has seemed inevitable for months, just like a split in the Tories seems inevitable. How can Mogg and Soubry stay in the same party after Brexit it indeed if Brexit doesn’t happen?
The one thing that these 7 as they split off and the rest of the progressives whether that be that Labour, the Lib Dems or this new gang of seven need to bear in mind is that come election time they will need to run only one candidate if they truely want to get rid of the Tories. The stupid FPTP electoral system will otherwise provide a massive Tory majority.
Yep they've gone off half cocked just like the sdp before them, it was a generation or so ago mind, so its another set of fresh faces, like young venison heading on their final walk....
All seven remainers what a coincidence , Undemocratic MPs will not be missed .
True. It's hilarious that they ALL want a 2nd vote on Europe but won't stand for re-election in their constituencies. Sickening hypocrisy.
@@mrsbrownandhercat And more than likely voted in due to Corbyn's policies.
They are right in one respect, neither Labour or Conservative Party are fit for purpose. Sadly the BBC guy is also correct in stating that a new party will only result in handing local councils and Parliamentary seats to the Conservative party.
Anyone with a brain...they are really bad but labour are miles worse.
I wouldn't mind a new sensible centre ground party.
I'm not sure how that party is going to be formed by people who want to overturn the result of a referendum because they didn't like the answer though.
Without proportional representation this will be a gift to the Tories
You can see the old against the young generation. Well done you lot! We are indeed in the 21st century. Bring proportional representation!
Just curious but how would describe perportional representation and what would be the best way to enact it ? I haven't got an axe to grind I'm just genuinely curious :).
Slogans don’t make up for a lack of ideas. If they can’t even articulate why they left, how can they expect anyone else to join them?
Not too long ago, Chuka was gonna be the next PM!! I suppose he should now start looking for a position with some "think tank"!
that jewish lady promised 2 days ago in Parliament that she held no talks about creating a new party...48 hours later she is smiling and announces a new Party :) yea call yourself honest, keep telling that to yourself to feel better..
"That Jewish lady" This type of rhetoric doesn't really help anti-Semitic claims against Labour.
@Chris Peters Whoosh... highlighting her religion on a topic that isn't connected to it. Call her a turncoat, a traitor, two-faced, whatever, but her religion and how she has acted are separate and distinct.
@Chris Peters Why? Her being Jewish and the rest of his comment have nothing to do with each other, unless you are linking her religion with being untrustworthy, hence my original comment.
@Chris Peters To be more correct she is a Zionist, Berger was the Director of Labour Friends of Israel for several years
@Chris Peters And what connection does that have with her religion?
Good riddance to the quitters.
Long live the Funny Tinge Independence Party.
Lol she represents Penistone afterall.
Tom Watson, why do not you go too? Labour party need to get rid of these kind of self promoters.
The Labour MPs who have resigned don't want to be part of the wider Church that is needed by British politics , they have a narrow agenda and the British people see this, this has been part of the issue in the Labour party and causing rifts, so good to see the clean out beginning.
Please take some more Blair rights with u...
The Labour Party has to move back towards social democracy and away from the clique around Corbyn.
@@garsm2290 the clique around corbyn is social democracy lol
@@TheSpiritOfTheTimes Milne and Murray are both life-long Communists!
7 traitor
I may think this is too late as supposed to be when early two years before at the time referendum to leave the union.... suddent resign may not benefit for your constituency voter...
The interviewer is totally wrong. An effective third party in a parliamentary democracy can run the country. If a centre party wins a share of the vote that makes it impossible for either major party to govern other than in a coalition, then extremist politics become totally impossible. A democracy should always represent the majority in government, not extremes of any kind that are only held by an effective minority of one party. These guys are exactly what Britain needs.
British Barrack Obama got some good points. New party will spice up the things 🧔👍
R41n R1d3r I would sully the voting paper by voting for the seven rats
Jeremy Corbyn is to blame for it. These seven Mps are BRAVE openly criticizing Corbyn.
Lee Soo-man Those people are no more Tories than Theresa May is. Maybe she and Amber Rudd will join this new social justice party.
Lol brave ha because they finally found a moral code more important than their own self promotion - oh wait no they didn't my mistake.
Seven? British media makes it sound like a hundred and seventy. What a load of bs.
Am I the only on seeing the angel with the AK-47 on the tie??
😂😂😂
Brexit is a disaster but their behaviour makes things worse.
Only solution of UK is to remaine in Europe what country is rich without Europe business Europe is big market the brexit is knife in the back for Europe what business expect UK after brexit it by only am sorry we are in faliments in clouse
If the eu was democratic their wouldnt be a problem.
Why aren't these MPs doing their job (whatever that is) Disgraceful
Labour is bigger than they think. Good Luck to them!!!
Hard Brexit now!!!
special needs person
@@adyp5176Wrong! I am a capable human with A-Levels
@@ByronHawk AI levels? So you admit to being an NPC then?
Well... If that's what the UK really wants, so be it. As an EU citizen, I think it is a really bad idea for the UK, but at least we would know for sure how to act (cancelling all orders from/to UK companies).
@@Yutani_Crayven I just admit to being educated
Happy to remain a Labour member and I'm not about to change my opinion on what the media put out against the party's leader. Good luck disastrous 7 ...
a split? 7 MPs, I don't think you can call that a split, maybe a thin slice, a wedge, a shaving, an incoherent, ignorant understanding of the people they pretend to stand for, so out of touch it's bizzare.
Hillarious!
Derek Hatton; the man who bankrupted Liverpool, readmitted to the Labour Party after being expelled 33yrs ago. And on the same day, Seven Good People leave it!
You just couldn’t make it up, LOL!
Richard Burgon looks and talks like a spokesman for the Mafia. That smile transition at 14:20 gives me the chills.
What did the SDP have if not hatred of socialism and democracy within the Labour Party.
what is everyone going to do now without Chukka Mukka? 😂
I think people should be very careful before suggesting that Tony Blair or others are behind this.
Many of us voted for Watson because the other candidates were even more dreadful.
He promised to support the leadership, but he broke this promise immediately.
He seems to have been central to every plot to get rid of Corbyn.
Watson has no mandate left.
We need him to go.
Chukka has a “funny tinge”, is he going to chuck out Smith for her racist attitude to him!
Who will resign for distroying Wind Rush document something is terribly wrong with these people
With 3 Tory Brexit remainers joining this 'Independent Group',why not rename this new party 'Remain'.That's the only policy they all have in common.
Let's start a new party and try to win elections. Let's start with seven people who all disagree with the result of the biggest referendum in history. What could go wrong?
Why aren't these MP's fighting poverty, injustice and terrible Tory policies that are forcing people into further hardship all over the country? These MP's are out of touch and totally self absorbed
Luciana Berger looks very fake, insincere and smirk-y.
By 'hard' left, of course they mean real left.
WTF is that tie about?
Some people have made some interesting points about Jeremy Corbyn attending a service remembering people killed in terrorism. I absolutely agree with his decision to attend. Any death related to terrorism is a tragedy. Similarly it is important to remember those killed in war and work for peace.
12 years ago is refrred to as "irrelevant history". That exemplifies much of the ignorance and dismissal of history which characterises contemporary political consciousness, particularly among the young.
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