Please keep it civil in the comments...nothing is concrete evidence I'm not saying Jack/ATL are fully innocent nor fully guilty UPDATE: All Time Low's opening acts have dropped off of their 2021 fall tour (10/27/21)
I went to an ATL show in 2012 and the next morning all the bras girls threw on stage had been chucked away in the bins (trash cans outside) I even took a photo. I also met Jack 3 times and he was so kind to me and my sister and didn’t do anything inappropriate. She was cold and he told her to get somewhere warm and offered her his jacket and didn’t touch her or do it say anything creepy. I may be biased but my experiences and what I saw of them was completely innocent and all the inappropriate things they said seemed to be only on stage and part of what I thought was an act. Just my take.
It sucks cause so many band members in the pop punk and whole warped tour scene have ended up being disgusting people so it's so easy to believe these allegations. I hope they're false but at this point I have trust issues
Yeah. I love pop punk, but being over 18 years old it is very easy to see how the lyrics and overall genre is based on possesive, toxic and, most of the time, mysogynist attitudes
Very true a lot of people lie about many allegations and I don’t believe that All Time Low would hurt their fans at all and I hope All Time Low actually speak out about it more
@@kittykittybangbang9367 true but I feel like wanting people to not be racists pe**hiles and rap*sts is not asking that much. Like damn all I want is basic human decency
They've been best friends for 20+ years, there's no way that the rest of the band didn't either know about it or participate as well. If the allegations are true the whole band is at fault, you can't hide stuff like that in close quarters for so long.
Precisely. That's part of the problem. If these allegations are in fact true, there is no doubt in my mind that Alex, Zack and Rian will cover Jack until the day they die.
@@prisonjoe5799 I highly doubt that, the other members weren't that close to him, in fact their bassist physically assaulted him after missing a gig or something
Having seen people on Twitter tear each other apart over the past 3 weeks and my own observations, I'm sticking to "I don't believe the allegations but I am open to changing my mind if proven otherwise." I just wish people could be civil about it instead of attacking each other and sending death threats and being so aggressive.
This is my stance exactly! Also it’s not down the fans to take a moral high ground when we haven’t done anything wrong. Of course if it came out as true that would be different.
I saw them live this past summer, and Jack did make a few of his typical crude jokes. I will say that the band has thankfully matured a lot over the years. They have always been a favorite of mine, which of course doesn't excuse abuse, it just makes stories like this a lot sadder. I don't quite know what to form an opinion on yet, but I will say that I am really sad to see what happens next.
I am inclined to believe them. The way the four of them took a no nonsense approach to these allegations. They lawyered up and wasted no time in trying to clear their name. For me, that lends some credibility to their side of things.
For what it’s worth, the more damning story that was released has a few suspicious holes, based on my touring experience. The detail about a friend being thrown out for trying to sneak backstage while the writer was just given an open invitation to break the rule from security doesn’t add up. Security is in place not to protect the band, but to ensure nobody gets into a position of liability in areas of a venue that aren’t properly policed. The narrator suggests that the band possibly instructed security to keep an eye out for seemingly underage girls, but security personnel are employed by the venue and, in most places, often even give band members grief if not possessing the approved laminates for the show. This would cause the security guard to put his job at risk with no incentive to do so as the band doesn’t pay him. As for meet and greet passes, no band member is going to have the access to fan club admin emails to send out “fishing” meet and greets. In addition, I doubt that would entice someone to come to a show more than a simple message would, but that’s purely conjecture. I don’t discount the persons voice and the struggle that she says she went through, but those points seem blatantly incorrect and cast a more speculative shadow on the other aspects of the post.
Very true the whole story doesn’t add up at all that what makes it so fish to me and we all know All Time Low aren’t creeps but Jack did make a bit of weird jokes but he clamed down from that and why would Jack give a teen drugs like that doesn’t make sense to me at all
I’m not disagreeing with everything you said, but you’re giving venue security waaaaayyyy too much credit. ATL usually plays clubs and I’ve been to plenty of larger club shows where security gives absolutely no fuck. It’s highly plausible some random person could have walked backstage and meet a band.
i mean, jack's tendency to sexually harass their (mostly teenage) fans has never been a secret. i think their statement failed to mention that one thing that everyone who has been to their concerts or watched straight to dvd knows.
Before I give my opinion, lets clarify this point once again: Random ass alegations on twitter should never be taken at face value. This whole "Always trust the accuser" narrative people have is bullshit and leads nowhere. Allegations should always be looked into but never blindly taken as fact...that being said, if this is true, the ENTIRE band needs to call it quits. Hell no. This is SO fucking shitty.
Innocent till proven guilty. But genuinely, I'm tired of people putting up allegations about bands but completely disregard artists such as Cardi B, Chris Brown, etc.
Exactly! If it ends up being true you know they're gonna get canceled and losing everything, record deal etc and yet chris brown beat up and stays beating up women and he still makes millions 😒
@@lor962 for real! That shit makes no sense to me. I’m just tired of people putting the past on display like it’s the present. Is there legit cases where the artist in question needs to be removed from the spotlight? Absolutely. But, when it’s false it makes me grit my teeth and cringe so hard.
dude it drives me crazy how celebrities like Cardi B, Chris Brown, Tyga, 6ix9ine, etc all seem to get a ‘free pass’ nowadays! they’ve all been shown to have severe allegation-records, yet they’re STILL making money!! i think it’s high time the world acts on this shit, because their victims are still hurting without any sense of justice or hope!
@@Stefan_Gerards What did Tyga do? Also don't forget to add R.Kelly in the mix. You will not believe how people I've heard in real life that still listen to him. Absolutely disgusting.
almost all the atl allegations i’ve seen have been about jack making crude/inappropriate jokes in front of/towards teens, and like yeah looking back now it is inappropriate and it shouldn’t have happened but we can’t forget how normalised it was back in the day, so it’s hard to hold 15 yet ago versions of people to todays standards. the twitter statement accusing jack of abuse over a number of years i have not read yet myself and do not know enough to have an opinion on, hopefully whatever the truth is regarding any of the allegations comes out
@@sarahs3775 lmao first of all reread my comment “it is inappropriate and it shouldn’t have happened” yes he should’ve known better but are we gonna pretend that it wasn’t normalised in those environments back then? not gonna go on because i’m basically just rewording my original comment at this point
They did what Blink 182 did back in the day with dirty jokes. Now since it’s cancel culture society everyone is under attack. I haven’t seen any credible sources for accusations on anything bad, other than that story of a toxic relationship with Jack. They are innocent until proven guilty, and don’t deserve this.
I’m calling bs on this. All I see is an angry mob looking for blood and ATLs disbandment or Jack being thrown out angrily commenting “allegations allegations 97 cases” but no actual proof. Then you have many fans commenting how they’ve met the band multiple times, even underaged and how there was nothing but a positive environment and politeness but there goes the mob again replying “just because they were nice to you it doesn’t mean they were nice to everyone”. I mean, if multiple people are defending them with examples and testimonies from their experiences that should also count. But if you wanna side with people who delete their videos, their tweets, their accounts, meh. Bottom line is you can’t win with these people. They literally just want to see blood run. No action or response is ever good. They were better off without this statement.
Unfortunately there is a long history of this kind of thing happening with male rock bands, and it used to be pretty much accepted. It never should have been condoned. I have no idea if these allegations are true, but the only real way to stop it is for fans to stop treating it as normal. Teenagers like these girls often have really poor judgment-which is why the law protects them. Bands have to learn to keep them at more than arms length. The problem with passing this off as something that happened in the past is that it still us happening, if not with this band then with others.
As someone who has had false allegations, I was accused of being emotionally manipulative by a person who themselves were extremely emotionally manipulative among other things, I refuse to blindly believe people. Surely if this was happening for years there would be some form of evidence more than just hearsay. I am not an all time low fan, they had one banger, but again, I refuse to condemn over baseless accusations and to my knowledge there has been no proof of these allegations so I’m at a stalemate here
Even if it were true which I’m still trying to figure out myself once more stuff come out, I don’t believe they would get rid of Jack. This band has not changed band members since day one and they are all best friends. It would be very hard for them to just sweep him under the rug like that.
Chris Conley (saves the day) said in a podcast touring was hard for him cause you are really never alone. I find it hard to believe if there was abuse that nobody knew about it. If your band member is abusing fans kick them out. There are plenty of other musicians who can take their spot.
Didn’t Chris get in some trouble the last year or so for having some inappropriate text with a male minor. I hated that because I loved saves the day when through being cool came out.
Shit... All Time Low is my favorite band and it really sucks to see this. I'm not saying this excuses their alleged behavior whatsoever, but I think it's important to keep in mind that they were still teenagers when they first started releasing music, and they gained substantial popularity very early on in their career. Back then they were quite immature and honestly probably didn't think before they acted a lot of the time. But they've changed and grown a lot over the course of their career, and I highly doubt they would do anything like that now (that is if they even did actually do those things in the first place). I will say though that their statement definitely doesn't sound like them. That shit was no doubt written by a team of lawyers. I would actually like to hear what they have to say about it
@@PongoDaMan Is it though? I mean, I'm just saying I believe people can change, and if they really did do those things, I believe they have changed. I'm also a strong believer in forgiving someone if they prove that they've changed. Obviously there are some things you just can't forgive someone for, but these guys really don't seem capable of doing anything that bad. I've watched many interviews, live performances, and even a few livestreams (and I'm definitely not an avid viewer of livestreams). They seem very kind and genuine, give off really good vibes, and have great chemistry. It's why they're my favorite band, aside from their amazing music of course. Speaking of which, they seem genuinely very passionate about music as well. They clearly love what they do. Obviously, I don't know them personally, but I really don't see them doing the things they've been accused of
@@KittyCat-we8xi I mean you’re excusing his behavior because they were younger. Sure you can get pst it to a point, but you’re basically using the Brock turner defence of, he was just drunk
I love All Time low, and I have seen them live many times, so reading that story was absolutely devastating. What I can say, is that through the years of seeing them, it really has always been Jack that has come across as making crude and inappropriate comments toward the crowd which have struck me as a bit off. But people can change, and I know they have definitely changed for the better, such as not really doing the bras on stage thing anymore (though even as recently as this year, Jack has still made weird sexual comments to the crowd at shows). The bottom line is if the major allegation against Jack has any merit, the band has to cut ties with him if they want this band to be able to continue, as hard as it may be to cut out a really close friend. And that is assuming the rest of the band isn't complicit to his actions which in that case, not sure what they can do to clear their name, but I guess we won't probably won't ever know that part for sure.
I feel you on this dude, as I'm sure so many others do too! All Time Low are my favourite band and have been since I was 14, they're one of my main inspirations for writing my own music and their music and live shows has always been a cathartic and therapeutic escape from the world for such a long period in my life. The Bra's and dick jokes have always been such a Pop Punk thing though but now with them all being 30+ and fully grown men, it's time to grow up and cut the sexual comments from the show. The stories I've read have been mind opening and I guess all we can do as fans is wait it out to see how this mess comes to fruition and pray that they're not true but that story has so many fine details that it seems almost unlikely to be a lie. She has some fucked up imagination if it is a lie
If this is the case and the guy Jack is the real problem they should just kick him out, but we don’t really know not saying I don’t believe the victims. But there’s a lot who do fabricate stories didn’t they say he made stupid jokes. Maybe that the only case and they are making stuff up for it to get more coverage but we don’t know. P.s am not really a fan of all time low but am not picking sides
i agree with you for the most but no i’m pretty sure jack still does the bra thing. i’ve been a fan a fan for less than two years and i’d seen the videos of the bras on his stand multiple times, they post them to their own social media.
They’re to a point where the bras just happen. I don’t think I’ve ever actually heard them ask for bras. It’s just a thing that has always happened and I’ve been seeing them since 08’. 🤷🏼♀️
Out all of the videos that's discussed this topic this one is probably my favorite you're not jumping into any conclusions you're just waiting to see what happens
"Innocent until proven guilty" and "Believe the allegations" are 2 statements which are both important and can exist at the same time! It is not a either-or thing at all...
I mean I don’t know how you wouldn’t have some type of evidence. Tens of thousands worth of expenses, constant messages, like there has to be a conversation somewhere after years of this happening. Pictures, anything.
I would be possible if it was 1-2-3 people, but as I understand, there "were" 97 cases and by that they mean there were 97 comments with allegations under that post but it got turned down so I haven't seen it myself. If it really were so many people who got involved there's no way they can't show any proof like photos, tickets, messages or something. Yet I haven't seen anything besides their words so I'll wait to make any conclusion
The story you mentioned that contains a lot of details worries me. I find it difficult to believe that it would be made up, although it's possible (e.g. POS Amber Heard). Normally, I would agree with cutting out the offending member and moving on in the style of Walk The Moon, but this situation seems different because of the amount of time the allegations claim this abuse spanned over. In addition, the allegations claim another member in the band walked in on an incident, so it's implied that that band may know about Jack's behavior. While I hope the allegations are false, it looks bad for All Time Low. Then again, there aren't any screenshots are anything to support the allegations, so it's basically he said/she said. So overall just a complicated situation that I suspect we won't really hear about again unless new evidence surfaces.
I just read screenshots from that underage girl ATL STATEMENTS. I don't wanna believe just one accusation but it's very detailed and doesn't put Jack in good light. Makes me sad cause I love Jack and All Time Low...
This is so hard. I've been a fan since the early days. I'm so stuck in the middle. There's so many allegations which wouldn't make sense that so many are lying, but then if there's so many allegations I would have thought there'd be something a bit more concrete to back at least one of them up. I appreciate people saying getting the lawyers involved is silencing the potential victims, but what else are they really supposed to do? People were unhappy they didn't say anything, they release a statement and say they will deal with things properly and everyone's still unhappy. It feels like the only way people are going to be satisfied is if they admit to something they feel they didn't do...
No ones happy no matter what they do. Problem is we now live in a society where you’re guilty before proven innocent. And it’s just the way it goes now.
ATL were never a part of my teen years (I was too young at the time), but I understand how you feel. I remember when all things about Butch Hartman were coming out.
It's bad that when I seen the post I automatically assumed it was about Jack, he might be innocent but he definitely acts way too immaturely and inappropriately at times.
A lot of details are fishy in that thread. I have a friend that has done photography at venues and festivals where ATL have played here in the UK on multiple occasions and she has never seen anyone backstage outside of staff and security and she has no reason to bs considering she's actually not a fan of them at all so take it as you will
What’s most sad is that this has happened a lot from the early rock/pop punk scene and continues to do so because people love to look the other way when it comes to their favorite artist.
I remember those times too. Some girls in my school would literally brag about going on those 'buses' and hooking up with guys like them. They could've been lying too. Who knows.
There was a discussion about it on Saturday and Alex said they would donate what wasn’t written on and whatever ones had writing were tossed out. He also mentioned how wasteful it is and made it seem like he didn’t want people doing that anymore. It’s just become a thing, I guess.
From past experiences, the best thing we as the public can do in these types of situations is wait for the facts and not jump to any conclusions. I think many of us are torn between the "telling the truth until proven lying" and "guilty until proven innocent" standpoints, and at this point making a definitive judgement without knowing all the facts is too risky. However, I'm definitely not judging the opening acts for dropping out because the situation's different for them, and sticking around could possibly put their own reputations (and even careers) in jeopardy. As for the rest of us: wait and see. Demand accountability and push for matters to be cleared up, but it's not on us to decide what is true and what isn't. (Although, personally, given the general track record of '00s pop punk bands…my hopes are not very high.)
hearing all these allegations is always gut-wrenching, hitting even harder when it’s some of your favorite bands.. hoping they’re not true, but still.. seems like it’s new news coming to light every single week :/
Great video Jon! And yeah idk. I am on no ones side on this situation. I mean of course I want to believe the victim but I want to see what happens next and as crappy as it sounds people have lied before but the fact that their are apparently even more allegations are worrying. As crappy as it sounds I am not very shocked like Idk maybe it's because I don't stan any bands anymore. It's a very sad situation though. Jack and the rest of the band were very close so if Jack did do anything (which I believe there are allegations even dating way back) than the rest of the band would have had to know about it. I don't know what's going to happen next I mean yeah ATL could go to court and than act like nothing happened or they might kick out Jack but to know what they will decide to do gets very blurry since they were friends since they were kids. I am betting that they will probably keep Jack in the band and act like nothing happened tbh. God this situation just sucks.
Not to take any attention away from the serious allegations Jon is talking about in the video but folks if you are on Twitter, Facebook or whatever, please help Mark of Spectrum Pulse have his main channel on UA-cam reinstated, he was hacked by NFT/Crypto scammers, got both his main channel and the channel for Billboard Breakdown reinstated today but now UA-cam have deleted his main channel because of what the scammers did to Mark's channel while they had it. I will delete my comment if not appropriate.
Totally fine. I recently RT'd to spread the word on Twitter even though I'm not really active on there any more. Hoping Mark gets his channel back, keep reaching out to YT people! The man's channel was DELETED for no reason.
It's really hard because they're public figures and people are treating the situation like they're not famous and people wouldn't have any reasons to make allegations. Several people very close to me have been victims of sexual violence so I tend to stand with victims but, this is one of the situations where if no evidence is provided it's really hard to believe. It's definitely something that should be investigated but it's kind of hard to imagine that with "97" allegations there is absolutely no evidence (as far as I've heard and seen there is no evidence but please correct me if I'm wrong). People are saying ATL needs to provide evidence to clear themselves but then don't demand any sort of evidence from the people making the accusations. I really don't want this all to be true and if they are my heart goes out to the victims but, we can't crucify people because of not proven allegations. It's not like false allegations never happen, I mean look at Archie William's case, he had an alibi that was confirmed by 3 people, he didn't match the description, and his prints didn't match the ones found at the scene but he was convicted and spent 36 years in prison. There's a pretty large nonprofit called the Innocence Project that's been around almost 100 years because accusations are not always true.
All valid points there. People like to say a small percentage of accusations are false (and then pretend it doesn’t exist) but truth be told, if everyone all of a sudden start believing what they hear especially with no evidence, that percentage will go way up guaranteed. It undermines the whole purpose if you think about it.
I don't know much about ATL, do they swear a lot or something? But I did a double take when Jon said 'a lot of your fans are literal children' because there must be some really cool parents if that was the case lol
@@Sara-dp5dg I mean if I had a ten year old I wouldn't. ATL has always been crude, too crude for children in elementary school tbh. But like,,, I guess different parenting styles
This really just keeps happening to bands I like from band new to swmrs and now all time low. Can’t say I’m surprised considering the scene there from but it’s just sad. It’s gone to the point where I have a list of bands and artists in my head that I really like but are kind off sus so I can mentally prepare myself for the allegations that might or might not come. I do hope these current allegations are false but I also don’t want to invalidate the victim if they are real. I guess what we can hope for is that due to higher awareness to these kind of things hopefully newer bands don’t make the same mistakes.
All Time Low shows were always the worst for me. The girls in the audience were literally willing to pull you down by your hair and stomp on you just to get in front of you. I was like 4th row one time and I literally had to fight my way to the back because my body was being contorted at an angle and I felt like I was being shoved to the ground. I literally felt so sick like I was going to pass out. What annoyed me more was ATL basically encouraged that behavior. I used to go to a lot of concerts and some were pretty packed and I got bruises from barricade one time, but nothing has compared to the horrible experiences I’ve had at ATL concerts. I have met them a few times and they seemed nice, but who knows what happens behind the scenes I guess.
I love ATL and stand by them. I don’t think they have done anything inappropriate. Me and many of my friends went to shows of them and they never did anything creepy or inappropriate. I could have just been lucky but honestly I’ve been part of the scene they were touring in since 2009 and never heard anything bad about them.
Honestly Allegations against a band named “All Time Low” is quite ironic. They will be at an All Time Low if they are true. Real curious to see what happens in future.
@@NealBones yes. I really liked their afterglow EP, but wasn’t a huge fan of the self care album when it first dropped. It’s a good record though. Great band.
Not saying to not believe the victims but this has happened to 3 of my other favorite bands and every single time it was proven false and nothing adds up like I genuinely don’t know what to believe anymore because people love to fake sexual assault and shit like that and it’s not cool
I am so thankful for your content. It feels like a breathe of fresh air. Everyone is behaving like they just want the allegations to be true and throwing random numbers to back up their opinion. A lot of bands have cut off members immediately because the allegations were proven real. In this case, they are taking legal action saying that it is false, which to me feels like a different behavior than what it was done when the allegations were real. They’ve been my favorite band for years now, I really hope everything is false and nothing bad happens to them.
In my opinion, if someone has an allegation they need to sort out, go to the police. Don’t go make some petty tik tok fishing for comments and plays. Highly doubt the tik tok allegation is real imo
I saw the Twitter story the day after I went to their show in Louisville. Sadly, I think the reason that no one has said anything or kicked him out has partially to do with contracts and/or NDA's. The 2 bands that were opening for them dropped off the tour and continued the rest of the cities on their own separate tour, but never made statements why. And I can't see Alex knowing and not saying anything, especially seeing how vocal he is a lot of things as an ally, even calling out Demi Lovato on Instagram. I LOVE this band! They're one of my favorites! But I definitely think that if there is any truth to the allegations, which I believe they're true, then Jack is being protected somehow for some reason. But I hope that the truth will come out and justice will be served to the deserving party.
I'm not really sure tbh. Jack HAS made some questionable comments on stage and on their podcast full frontal. Even Alex would be like "wtf is up with you, you keep saying weird shit about kids" but at the same time I find it weird that none of their hardcore fans that follow them around the country (and sometime the world) never had an experience like this but a couple of people that no one in the fandom recognizes did.
they’ve been my favorite band since i was 10, and have been keeping up on everything since the tik tok was posted a few weeks ago. not only did they spit in the face of DOZENS of victims that came forwards by saying “we believe victims, just none of you”, but the way they handled the situation before the statement was unacceptable. watching them either completely ignoring it or being petty via shady tweets or changing lyrics at shows (“you can keep that thought for yourself” to “you can keep that lie to yourself”) was sickening.
Same, i bought all their albums back when i was twelve, and i recently got back into them (not anymore tho lmao 🤙🏼) Yet how everyone defending/excusing them with blind faith is making me sick. Like yeah, they mean a lot to me, but if something may or may not have happened, im not gonna act as if the boys are 100% innocent without a doubt.
@@rebecca537 Guilty until proven innocent? So when I accuse you of murder you are going to go to prison first until you can prove you're innocent? You two are dangerous and disgusting!
there's something they said in their statement that has become such a big pet peeve of mine over the years and is just a giant red flag to me. in the same statement, they said 'we support and respect victims' but then immediately follow that with 'we will be taking legal action against the accuser'. those two things cancel each other out, you can't support a group of people and then use one of the most common intimidation tactics against them and silence them. I'm not saying that, if these allegations are false, they should just take it lying down, however, they shouldn't publicly announce that they are taking action to the public. if they actually were respectful of victims they would want to be made aware of future stories, know the truth and be aware of what their camp is doing, god forbid it's something bad. but now, in the future, if something happens, instead of telling someone and outing the alleged abuser, the victim will feel pressure to stay silent and live with that trauma/pain because they announced they take legal action against these things. they shouldn't have included that part, in my opinion, do it privately if you want but announcing it is a direct threat towards other victims who thought about coming forward and the exact opposite of the supposed sentiment of 'supporting/respecting victims'.
I get what you’re saying but no, if someone is falsely accusing you of shit like this you need to shut it down ASAP. This stuff can ruin your life even if it is false if you don’t act accordingly
I still think it is very weird that instead of going to the police (I'm German so I don't know how that works in the US) someone would post a video/statement online. In this case there are a lot of accusations and I (who has never personally met these guys or even seen them live) don't think that they are all totally made up just for clout.
Police here honestly don't do a ton and many will ignore you or make you feel guilty. My ex threatened to kill me and they told me that the text evidence and his previous record didn't matter. He stabbed a police officer less than 2 weeks later.
@@rikkipowers3921 Although in a culture where we spend way more time and resources telling women to protect themselves, instead of teaching men not to attack women, it still makes me question why her first thoughts weren't to go at least try and reap support from an authority figure. At the age of 15 you're usually aware enough to know that there are creeps and predators out there, but many don't know quite the extent of the internal laziness and corruption of their police force. And especially since the level of care and treatment that law enforcers offer, varies between country, state, and area code, unless you've seeked that protection before you truly don't know what the cops in your area have to offer. So, it is worth a try at least, right? Even if she didn't have a great relationship with her parents, "Tell the police if something goes wrong" is like, parenting 101 and something all kids usually learn before they start school and their social lives.
Me about Cancel Culture: "They'll never let go Of something you said 10 years ago They're cancelling" Lyrics from the song Zombified by Falling in reverse
I have seen plenty of cases both in and out of the music world where sexual assault/harassment cases turn out to be false then some that turn out to be true. When it comes to famous people and or people who will be making a lot of money, it seems that most of the allegations become false. One story I always go to in cases like this is the Shawn Oakman story. He was accused of sexual assault while at Baylor university and it cost him becoming one of the top NFL draft choices. He eventually got his case to court and within 15 minutes, the accuser basically came out and said she made the allegations against Oakman up. Obviously there is still a lot of missing pieces here with All Time Low but I as of now believe he’s innocent until proven guilty.
I swear this seems to be a trend with girls and women to destroy a band's reputation by saying things that probably never happened to end up getting attention and money in the end. just because the band is popular doesn't mean you should attack them because you probably hate them Some ppl can't get passed highschool and act more mature. They should know better before the post , whatever they do is gonna end up haunting them in the long run. I'm guessing ppl like this want rock music to disappear forever
I feel like anytime anyone who’s been accused of this kind of stuff releases “a statement” all Internet personalities always say is that the statement is “disingenuous, or sounds robotic or as if written by a lawyer” or will say whatever to diminish what the statement says bc public opinion has shifted from the person releasing it. I haven’t followed all time low since 2012 . Idk what they’re like as people. But their image & fanbase then does make these allegations appear very possible, then again, maybe bc they had that image it makes them easy targets for such false allegations bc everyone would believe it. Idk. I think about Vic minioga & how his career and name we’re dragged through the mud bc of false allegations. Not saying these allegations are that. Not siding with the band. It’s very possible jack did this I just dislike the knee jerk reaction “commentators” or Internet personalities have when they read or respond to “statements” of this nature bc they always say the same similar thing . It’s like no matter whoever has been accused of sa releases a statement, doesn’t matter what the statement says these commentators/or anybody on Twitter will say it’s fake or disingenuous bc of whose saying it. Idk.
I know that this may not be the so-called popular opinion, but in general, in society, I feel that, men and boys, especially, for DECADES, are not being taught how to respect women, (people, but in this very specifically), but at the same time, if a woman is making false allegations, that are PROVEN, to be false, I'm like, wth is wrong with you, because, not only do you damage this person's reputation, you make the women that, have ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED SEXUAL TRAUMA AND/OR ABUSE, so much harder to believe.. so I definitely understand both sides of the equation...
I love All Time Low so much and I’m glad they spoke out about the allegations and it’s very true that some people lie about a band and to be honest I’m glad Jack toned down with the bra and boobs thing and they are a great band but hopefully they speak more about it and back in the movies Jack has been a weird with the boobs Thea things and I don’t want my babies to be canceled like “fans” tried to do with Pierce The Veil
All Time Low have been my favorite band for 11 years now, by far, and words really can’t describe how terrible seeing all of these allegations pour out have made me feel. Obviously it’s nothing compared to how the victims feel, but they’ve been the one thing in my life that I can always count on to make me feel better when I’m down, and this definitely taints that. The sucky thing is that I’m not terribly surprised. I always thought the bra thing was weird, and though I always attributed the crass strange banter to trying to copy blink-182, they take on a darker light when you consider all of the allegations. This really hurts like hell to see, and I’ve legitimately been depressed for about a week over this. That statement was absolutely awful. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised they didn’t deal with it like Steve in New Found Glory and kick him out right away, but even if all of the allegations aren’t true, it makes them look really bad. Jack doubling down on his personal Twitter just saying “the allegations are false” and nothing else made it look even worse. At least admit to the inappropriate humor at your shows, and apologize for making people uncomfortable. This sucks. Really badly. I’m still processing this situation, and don’t know how I’m going to go about supporting them in the future. I do think they may just need to kick Jack out, seeing as he’s the target of all of the accusations. It’s not like he’s such an amazing guitarist that he couldn’t be replaced. It just seems like they’re all digging in their heels and letting the band go down with him, and it’s awful to see.
*I* think the reason they don't want to kick Jack is because he's the "humor and energy" of the band. He made/makes jokes (the funny ones, not the sex ones) all the time so the fans think he's genuine and charismatic, All Time Low younger fans (who don't know about the allegations) love him and his attitude, so if they kick him out of the band "it's not gonna be the same". *Probably* they think they gonna lose fans if they cut connections with Jack, and that's the reason everyone on the band ignores the theme :(
I’m at the point where I just do not care about any of these scandals anymore. Anyone want to recommend me a genre of music to get into that isn’t popular with teenage girls in current year so I don’t have to worry about this shit constantly happening? Thanks
@@skyleague9844 Well, there were so many times that people make this allegations just to fuck up the career of someone, I guess there have to be a mid zone when we discuss, but with all shit happening before, it's hard to believe.
ATL are one of my favorite bands and if Jack did this he needs to be replaced but I'll need more to come out or something to happen to make a decision on what I believe...
Seems a little more up in the air so to speak than the ADTR situation. I'd tend to agree though if it is just "Jack is the problem" then cutting him off would be the best course of action.
I don’t understand how nothing is said until now…. ATL falls off the radar for a few years and then they release new hit music and NOW there’s allegations against them? Why does this happen when a band starts to come up again? I’m not saying these are false allegations or that they are true, I’m commenting on the fact that no one has anything to say when no one gives a shit about a band but then when the band makes a comeback, then people point fingers, why not say something until now? What evidence do you have to prove your allegations? Your ducks aren’t in row to make these claims now, so why not say something 5-10 years ago? Timing is everything.
I mean, just staring the facts, if you read the note I linked to it said they’ve brought it up multiple times but we’re bullied or legally threatened into silence.
You can’t really side with anyone here. I just feel like there has to be some kind of tangible proof in this situation. We are talking tens of thousands in expenses for their tours (I still don’t know how this is possible as a 15-21 year with a not-so-good relationship with their parents), there was constant conversations on the phone it seems, etc. There has to visual proof somewhere. I don’t know how there couldn’t be, or if she just decided to not release it. All Time Low obviously isn’t scared of the police/courts getting involved so it’s just a weird situation all around.
I'm so fricking tired of this, first ADTR and then All Time Low, if these allegations have any actual evidence, sure I'll believe it, but these allegations come out of nowhere from the most random of people, never actually mentioning the bands by name, and the thing that gets to me is that the majority of the time it always comes out as false, it's so annoying, again, if it actually does come out with evidence, I'll take it seriously, but I highly doubt it.
Here's my thing I believe innocent to prove it guilty because that's always been a thing for a longest time. Like I understand tictok is making people coming forward about the allegations but at the same time people do lie a lot. some even do it for clout or little bit of Fame . All I got to say is I'm not a big fan of all time low but hopefully there is some receipts to prove that if they're innocent or not . All I got to say is I can't stand cancel culture because it ruins everybody's life and makes it harder for people to move forward in life. 🤷🏿♂️
Idk man, i don't believe it... I genuinely don't feel like these allegations are true. If proof comes out, I'll look into it... Its very disturbing but I feel like false stories come out a lot, and I'm REALLY hoping thats the case here. Either way, i hope the people saying this stuff aren't getting harassed by ATL stans
Please don’t do this! Always be in the middle and don’t pick a side until everything comes out. Just because you like a band doesn’t mean you can just automatically side with them. It’s super hurtful to the victims and can make you come off as biased. Also unfortunately these girls are definitely getting harassed for even coming out about abuse real or not. A woman can literally have a video of her being assaulted and some people would still call her a liar. I truly believe that
@@ringer1324 i see your point but, I don't know... those stories seem to pop up suddenly, years later, and sure, maybe the first comment/allegation just gave others courage to speak out, too, but that idea of "standing in the middle" is just bs. It doesn't make sense. I cannot say "innocent until proven guilty" and "they may have harrassed that girl" and really mean it.
so...I will put my two cents on this for both sides(despite only having one thing to say in defense) I also would like to say I don't have a clear source for the story of the supposed victim so if anyone could drop a link that would be great In one regard I feel the band's confident statement about these allegations might point to them being false, and something I heard from an actual detective first hand is that a person who doesn't show up most likely did it, however the statement was behind a screen nor a video so that can detract. Regarding behavior, I always found it weird how there seemed to be this running joke of Jack constantly being naked somewhere, more so in retrospect because why would you present to your pre-dominantly tween-teen audience like that? And that's probably the last point that is important to talk about. While I know there is at least one story of a fan being groomed assaulted, kept going to shows it seems non-sensical for them to keep going, but as someone who's' gone through sexual abuse in my life I understand this need to "overlook" and to make it make sense to yourself. If there are stories of statutory rape that's also a can of worms for this scene. Statutory rape, especially in this case is because these 14, 15, 16 year olds think they are PERSONALLY grown enough to be engaging in relations as such and are therefore blinded by bias of how creepy this all is from an outside perspective, so it all hits different at a later age. I saw a comment somewhere that said "I was called cute by a band member when I was 14 and I was simply flattered, pedophilia hits different later on" which I think could be a big part of these stories not blowing up as much when they either came out or when it happened.
I hadn’t even heard of this until this video. The statement sounds like it was written by the band just because there’s a lot of redundancies. But their lawyer definitely told them to write it. And if it was by a lawyer that lawyer needs to take a writing class. Twitter always goes hard in the replies regardless of what the situation is. The second one definitely sounds more like LiveJournal rumors if it was made and deleted like that. It sucks, but whenever something comes out about any famous person, a million and a half fake things pile on top of it. Much like the fake Twitter rumors made about Joe Biden that eventually came out as false. Their immediate response is at least better than how other bands handle it. SWMRS isn’t really indicative of anything with FBR since that was specifically a Burger Records scandal that resulted in that label folding. That band had no reputation other than one of them was Billie Joe Armstrong’s kid. I don’t remember them fronting that hard as feminists or whatever. Them going away had no impact on the music world. Burger Records was only relevant in LA. It really wasn’t that big of a deal that SWMRS or anyone else went down after that
As a huge Green Day fan, the rumor is that Billie Joe doesn’t have an active Twitter or Instagram at the moment due to his son Joey Armstrong being the reason behind the allegations (allegations is weird for me to say if you read both statements, it’s basically a true claim). It kinda made me look at them a different way.
@@jadered9514 All the members of Green Day go through periods where they don’t use social media so I wouldn’t think too hard about that aspect. A lot of brands and artists in general have been moving away from Twitter for awhile SWMRS/Emily’s Army wasn’t that large of a band and didn’t have a big following, which was true of basically every Burger Records band. That band going down had no impact on the world of music
*to clarify my original comment. I meant the way they are on stage. I haven't seen or heard anything aboit back stage* All I can say is when my husband came to one of their shows with me (I've seen them a ton and thought nothing but...) he was so uncomfortable and said "Are they 12...wtf is happening?? Ok...I'm going to the bar...no...I'll see you later" as a girl/woman it's so normalised to see that kind of behaviour that I didn't think anything of it until an "outsider" was there. I don't know if this makes sense but yeah, I wish I could say I'm surprised but sadly i'm not and sometimes we need space away or another "outsider" to give the perspective that it's not normal or ok...
very true! many people who flat out ignore the allegations are quick to believe allegations against other bands, but not their favourites. having an outsider's opinion is very important.
I know this is no laughing matter but this truly is the bands All Time Low no but seriously hopefully more information comes out soon and we can come to the bottom of the situation. I’m gonna see both sides before making a decision. He (they if the band knew) needs to be held accountable.
Just go to police or sue them directly not just posting on tiktok or twitter. this "Post it on social media 1st" has become a norm to people. I get it, cancel culture is the way especially person/target is influential. just submit a formal complain then go wild on social media about it.
We lost the idea of what it means for men and women to normally interact with each other. We tend to blur the line between what is consensual and what isn't. If you have engaged in certain activities and only years later decide that you are no longer okay with what you participated in... no... I'm sorry no. They selling some bull shit and I aint buying.
Please keep it civil in the comments...nothing is concrete evidence I'm not saying Jack/ATL are fully innocent nor fully guilty
UPDATE: All Time Low's opening acts have dropped off of their 2021 fall tour (10/27/21)
I wonder why… maybe it’s because ATL is next on cancel culture’s radar?
Update: all time low have now filed a libel lawsuit against the 2 accusers.
I went to an ATL show in 2012 and the next morning all the bras girls threw on stage had been chucked away in the bins (trash cans outside) I even took a photo. I also met Jack 3 times and he was so kind to me and my sister and didn’t do anything inappropriate. She was cold and he told her to get somewhere warm and offered her his jacket and didn’t touch her or do it say anything creepy. I may be biased but my experiences and what I saw of them was completely innocent and all the inappropriate things they said seemed to be only on stage and part of what I thought was an act. Just my take.
It sucks cause so many band members in the pop punk and whole warped tour scene have ended up being disgusting people so it's so easy to believe these allegations. I hope they're false but at this point I have trust issues
Yeah. I love pop punk, but being over 18 years old it is very easy to see how the lyrics and overall genre is based on possesive, toxic and, most of the time, mysogynist attitudes
"Never Meet Your Heroes" Also you shouldn't put someone on a pedestal, because when they fall they will fall harder.
Very true a lot of people lie about many allegations and I don’t believe that All Time Low would hurt their fans at all and I hope All Time Low actually speak out about it more
@@kittykittybangbang9367 true but I feel like wanting people to not be racists pe**hiles and rap*sts is not asking that much. Like damn all I want is basic human decency
@@Sara-dp5dg That's true, but you should also never put someone on a pedestal. You never know what's happening behind closed doors.
They've been best friends for 20+ years, there's no way that the rest of the band didn't either know about it or participate as well. If the allegations are true the whole band is at fault, you can't hide stuff like that in close quarters for so long.
That's what I'm thinking.
Like how does 3 other members not know that a member brought someone into the party bus who may or may not be underage???
I always said this about Lost Prophets, no way they didn't know.
They knew
Precisely. That's part of the problem. If these allegations are in fact true, there is no doubt in my mind that Alex, Zack and Rian will cover Jack until the day they die.
@@prisonjoe5799 I highly doubt that, the other members weren't that close to him, in fact their bassist physically assaulted him after missing a gig or something
Having seen people on Twitter tear each other apart over the past 3 weeks and my own observations, I'm sticking to "I don't believe the allegations but I am open to changing my mind if proven otherwise."
I just wish people could be civil about it instead of attacking each other and sending death threats and being so aggressive.
This is my stance exactly! Also it’s not down the fans to take a moral high ground when we haven’t done anything wrong. Of course if it came out as true that would be different.
That or automatically acting like it's all true when it came from an Anonymous TikTok Post without any real evidence.
I saw them live this past summer, and Jack did make a few of his typical crude jokes. I will say that the band has thankfully matured a lot over the years. They have always been a favorite of mine, which of course doesn't excuse abuse, it just makes stories like this a lot sadder. I don't quite know what to form an opinion on yet, but I will say that I am really sad to see what happens next.
I am inclined to believe them. The way the four of them took a no nonsense approach to these allegations. They lawyered up and wasted no time in trying to clear their name. For me, that lends some credibility to their side of things.
For what it’s worth, the more damning story that was released has a few suspicious holes, based on my touring experience. The detail about a friend being thrown out for trying to sneak backstage while the writer was just given an open invitation to break the rule from security doesn’t add up. Security is in place not to protect the band, but to ensure nobody gets into a position of liability in areas of a venue that aren’t properly policed. The narrator suggests that the band possibly instructed security to keep an eye out for seemingly underage girls, but security personnel are employed by the venue and, in most places, often even give band members grief if not possessing the approved laminates for the show. This would cause the security guard to put his job at risk with no incentive to do so as the band doesn’t pay him. As for meet and greet passes, no band member is going to have the access to fan club admin emails to send out “fishing” meet and greets. In addition, I doubt that would entice someone to come to a show more than a simple message would, but that’s purely conjecture. I don’t discount the persons voice and the struggle that she says she went through, but those points seem blatantly incorrect and cast a more speculative shadow on the other aspects of the post.
@@Tylercantsleep Yea, plenty of angles to question before condemning someone in the court of public opinion.
Very true the whole story doesn’t add up at all that what makes it so fish to me and we all know All Time Low aren’t creeps but Jack did make a bit of weird jokes but he clamed down from that and why would Jack give a teen drugs like that doesn’t make sense to me at all
@@Tylercantsleep i honestly just write it like that all of the time and i’m not even british
I’m not disagreeing with everything you said, but you’re giving venue security waaaaayyyy too much credit. ATL usually plays clubs and I’ve been to plenty of larger club shows where security gives absolutely no fuck. It’s highly plausible some random person could have walked backstage and meet a band.
@@philatio1744 no you don't.
i mean, jack's tendency to sexually harass their (mostly teenage) fans has never been a secret. i think their statement failed to mention that one thing that everyone who has been to their concerts or watched straight to dvd knows.
Lol
thats totally true
Before I give my opinion, lets clarify this point once again: Random ass alegations on twitter should never be taken at face value. This whole "Always trust the accuser" narrative people have is bullshit and leads nowhere. Allegations should always be looked into but never blindly taken as fact...that being said, if this is true, the ENTIRE band needs to call it quits. Hell no. This is SO fucking shitty.
Innocent till proven guilty. But genuinely, I'm tired of people putting up allegations about bands but completely disregard artists such as Cardi B, Chris Brown, etc.
Exactly! If it ends up being true you know they're gonna get canceled and losing everything, record deal etc and yet chris brown beat up and stays beating up women and he still makes millions 😒
@@lor962 for real! That shit makes no sense to me. I’m just tired of people putting the past on display like it’s the present. Is there legit cases where the artist in question needs to be removed from the spotlight? Absolutely. But, when it’s false it makes me grit my teeth and cringe so hard.
dude it drives me crazy how celebrities like Cardi B, Chris Brown, Tyga, 6ix9ine, etc all seem to get a ‘free pass’ nowadays! they’ve all been shown to have severe allegation-records, yet they’re STILL making money!! i think it’s high time the world acts on this shit, because their victims are still hurting without any sense of justice or hope!
@@Allhypenoheart What did Cardi B do?
@@Stefan_Gerards What did Tyga do? Also don't forget to add R.Kelly in the mix. You will not believe how people I've heard in real life that still listen to him. Absolutely disgusting.
almost all the atl allegations i’ve seen have been about jack making crude/inappropriate jokes in front of/towards teens, and like yeah looking back now it is inappropriate and it shouldn’t have happened but we can’t forget how normalised it was back in the day, so it’s hard to hold 15 yet ago versions of people to todays standards.
the twitter statement accusing jack of abuse over a number of years i have not read yet myself and do not know enough to have an opinion on, hopefully whatever the truth is regarding any of the allegations comes out
@@sarahs3775 lmao first of all reread my comment
“it is inappropriate and it shouldn’t have happened”
yes he should’ve known better but are we gonna pretend that it wasn’t normalised in those environments back then?
not gonna go on because i’m basically just rewording my original comment at this point
All pop-punk bands are going to get cancelled until the only thing we have left is MGK.
He has allegations too, you know...
You’re saying this as if MGK isn’t already a POS
Mgk sucks don’t ever act like he’s a good thing
MGK is shitty too, his allegations just don’t always get brought up for some reason
Ehh he gonna get thrown out of rock scene too, I guess- 😂
They did what Blink 182 did back in the day with dirty jokes. Now since it’s cancel culture society everyone is under attack. I haven’t seen any credible sources for accusations on anything bad, other than that story of a toxic relationship with Jack. They are innocent until proven guilty, and don’t deserve this.
I'm just so fucking tired of seeing pop/punk/rock band members having predatory stories. Feels so toxic
We all are
I’m calling bs on this. All I see is an angry mob looking for blood and ATLs disbandment or Jack being thrown out angrily commenting “allegations allegations 97 cases” but no actual proof. Then you have many fans commenting how they’ve met the band multiple times, even underaged and how there was nothing but a positive environment and politeness but there goes the mob again replying “just because they were nice to you it doesn’t mean they were nice to everyone”.
I mean, if multiple people are defending them with examples and testimonies from their experiences that should also count. But if you wanna side with people who delete their videos, their tweets, their accounts, meh.
Bottom line is you can’t win with these people. They literally just want to see blood run. No action or response is ever good. They were better off without this statement.
I'll stay neutral for now but damn this making me sad, atl is one of my favorite bands.
Unfortunately there is a long history of this kind of thing happening with male rock bands, and it used to be pretty much accepted. It never should have been condoned. I have no idea if these allegations are true, but the only real way to stop it is for fans to stop treating it as normal. Teenagers like these girls often have really poor judgment-which is why the law protects them. Bands have to learn to keep them at more than arms length. The problem with passing this off as something that happened in the past is that it still us happening, if not with this band then with others.
As someone who has had false allegations, I was accused of being emotionally manipulative by a person who themselves were extremely emotionally manipulative among other things, I refuse to blindly believe people. Surely if this was happening for years there would be some form of evidence more than just hearsay. I am not an all time low fan, they had one banger, but again, I refuse to condemn over baseless accusations and to my knowledge there has been no proof of these allegations so I’m at a stalemate here
Even if it were true which I’m still trying to figure out myself once more stuff come out, I don’t believe they would get rid of Jack. This band has not changed band members since day one and they are all best friends. It would be very hard for them to just sweep him under the rug like that.
Very true and they such a good band and they make awesome music but I want to at least speak up a bit more
Chris Conley (saves the day) said in a podcast touring was hard for him cause you are really never alone. I find it hard to believe if there was abuse that nobody knew about it. If your band member is abusing fans kick them out. There are plenty of other musicians who can take their spot.
Didn’t Chris get in some trouble the last year or so for having some inappropriate text with a male minor. I hated that because I loved saves the day when through being cool came out.
@@NESADDICT I never heard that! 😱
This happened to Simple Plan too tho and they didn’t know about it. Their bassist quit because of it. People will go great lengths to hide a secret.
Shit... All Time Low is my favorite band and it really sucks to see this. I'm not saying this excuses their alleged behavior whatsoever, but I think it's important to keep in mind that they were still teenagers when they first started releasing music, and they gained substantial popularity very early on in their career. Back then they were quite immature and honestly probably didn't think before they acted a lot of the time. But they've changed and grown a lot over the course of their career, and I highly doubt they would do anything like that now (that is if they even did actually do those things in the first place). I will say though that their statement definitely doesn't sound like them. That shit was no doubt written by a team of lawyers. I would actually like to hear what they have to say about it
This is a really dangerous mindset
@@PongoDaMan Is it though? I mean, I'm just saying I believe people can change, and if they really did do those things, I believe they have changed. I'm also a strong believer in forgiving someone if they prove that they've changed. Obviously there are some things you just can't forgive someone for, but these guys really don't seem capable of doing anything that bad. I've watched many interviews, live performances, and even a few livestreams (and I'm definitely not an avid viewer of livestreams). They seem very kind and genuine, give off really good vibes, and have great chemistry. It's why they're my favorite band, aside from their amazing music of course. Speaking of which, they seem genuinely very passionate about music as well. They clearly love what they do. Obviously, I don't know them personally, but I really don't see them doing the things they've been accused of
@@KittyCat-we8xi I mean you’re excusing his behavior because they were younger. Sure you can get pst it to a point, but you’re basically using the Brock turner defence of, he was just drunk
@@PongoDaMan l literally said that doesn't excuse their alleged behavior
I’m glad they spoke out about the allegations
I love All Time low, and I have seen them live many times, so reading that story was absolutely devastating. What I can say, is that through the years of seeing them, it really has always been Jack that has come across as making crude and inappropriate comments toward the crowd which have struck me as a bit off. But people can change, and I know they have definitely changed for the better, such as not really doing the bras on stage thing anymore (though even as recently as this year, Jack has still made weird sexual comments to the crowd at shows).
The bottom line is if the major allegation against Jack has any merit, the band has to cut ties with him if they want this band to be able to continue, as hard as it may be to cut out a really close friend. And that is assuming the rest of the band isn't complicit to his actions which in that case, not sure what they can do to clear their name, but I guess we won't probably won't ever know that part for sure.
I feel you on this dude, as I'm sure so many others do too! All Time Low are my favourite band and have been since I was 14, they're one of my main inspirations for writing my own music and their music and live shows has always been a cathartic and therapeutic escape from the world for such a long period in my life. The Bra's and dick jokes have always been such a Pop Punk thing though but now with them all being 30+ and fully grown men, it's time to grow up and cut the sexual comments from the show. The stories I've read have been mind opening and I guess all we can do as fans is wait it out to see how this mess comes to fruition and pray that they're not true but that story has so many fine details that it seems almost unlikely to be a lie. She has some fucked up imagination if it is a lie
If this is the case and the guy Jack is the real problem they should just kick him out, but we don’t really know not saying I don’t believe the victims. But there’s a lot who do fabricate stories didn’t they say he made stupid jokes. Maybe that the only case and they are making stuff up for it to get more coverage but we don’t know. P.s am not really a fan of all time low but am not picking sides
i agree with you for the most but no i’m pretty sure jack still does the bra thing. i’ve been a fan a fan for less than two years and i’d seen the videos of the bras on his stand multiple times, they post them to their own social media.
They’re to a point where the bras just happen. I don’t think I’ve ever actually heard them ask for bras. It’s just a thing that has always happened and I’ve been seeing them since 08’. 🤷🏼♀️
Out all of the videos that's discussed this topic this one is probably my favorite you're not jumping into any conclusions you're just waiting to see what happens
"Innocent until proven guilty" and "Believe the allegations" are 2 statements which are both important and can exist at the same time! It is not a either-or thing at all...
Try telling that to the court of public opinion, you cannot maintain someone’s innocence while entertaining rumours and allegations without proof
I hope this is fake, like those Brendon Urie allegations.
No! Always be skeptical of both sides this is super disrespectful to the victims and I don’t even think the band wants you to respond like that.
@@ringer1324 I never said I'm not skeptical, I just hope it's fake, because that would be a bit sad, and very disappointing.
@@GavinFromWeb same, I really like all time low, and if these allegations prove to be true that would be so disappointing
In my opinion, the worst case scenario would be if this did happen, but there not being enough evidence to convict.
I mean I don’t know how you wouldn’t have some type of evidence. Tens of thousands worth of expenses, constant messages, like there has to be a conversation somewhere after years of this happening. Pictures, anything.
I would be possible if it was 1-2-3 people, but as I understand, there "were" 97 cases and by that they mean there were 97 comments with allegations under that post but it got turned down so I haven't seen it myself. If it really were so many people who got involved there's no way they can't show any proof like photos, tickets, messages or something. Yet I haven't seen anything besides their words so I'll wait to make any conclusion
The story you mentioned that contains a lot of details worries me. I find it difficult to believe that it would be made up, although it's possible (e.g. POS Amber Heard). Normally, I would agree with cutting out the offending member and moving on in the style of Walk The Moon, but this situation seems different because of the amount of time the allegations claim this abuse spanned over. In addition, the allegations claim another member in the band walked in on an incident, so it's implied that that band may know about Jack's behavior. While I hope the allegations are false, it looks bad for All Time Low.
Then again, there aren't any screenshots are anything to support the allegations, so it's basically he said/she said. So overall just a complicated situation that I suspect we won't really hear about again unless new evidence surfaces.
I just read screenshots from that underage girl ATL STATEMENTS. I don't wanna believe just one accusation but it's very detailed and doesn't put Jack in good light. Makes me sad cause I love Jack and All Time Low...
It hurts so fucking bad. I guess we'll see how this goes down.
This is so hard. I've been a fan since the early days. I'm so stuck in the middle. There's so many allegations which wouldn't make sense that so many are lying, but then if there's so many allegations I would have thought there'd be something a bit more concrete to back at least one of them up.
I appreciate people saying getting the lawyers involved is silencing the potential victims, but what else are they really supposed to do? People were unhappy they didn't say anything, they release a statement and say they will deal with things properly and everyone's still unhappy. It feels like the only way people are going to be satisfied is if they admit to something they feel they didn't do...
No ones happy no matter what they do. Problem is we now live in a society where you’re guilty before proven innocent. And it’s just the way it goes now.
If Mayday Parade gets an allegation like this, I'd jump off from the 5th floor of a local hospital here in our place
Literally
This is disturbing, they were a huge part of my teenage years
ATL were never a part of my teen years (I was too young at the time), but I understand how you feel. I remember when all things about Butch Hartman were coming out.
It's bad that when I seen the post I automatically assumed it was about Jack, he might be innocent but he definitely acts way too immaturely and inappropriately at times.
Yes! Me too! I wouldn't even call myself that big of a fan and yet I knew in my gut it was about him :/
I want proof before I even think to believe what is being said
Exactly!
Random detail in the story from Twitter but I was thrown off by someone from the Jersey area spelling the world “favor” like “favour”
A lot of details are fishy in that thread. I have a friend that has done photography at venues and festivals where ATL have played here in the UK on multiple occasions and she has never seen anyone backstage outside of staff and security and she has no reason to bs considering she's actually not a fan of them at all so take it as you will
What’s most sad is that this has happened a lot from the early rock/pop punk scene and continues to do so because people love to look the other way when it comes to their favorite artist.
I remember being really uncomfortable seeing teenagers throw their bras up on stage and the band keeping them. Genuinely fucking creepy.
wait they actually keep them?? I assumed they either threw them away or donated them to charity
@@Regent192 I think they have donated some before but idk if they donate all or donated all the time
I remember those times too. Some girls in my school would literally brag about going on those 'buses' and hooking up with guys like them. They could've been lying too. Who knows.
There was a discussion about it on Saturday and Alex said they would donate what wasn’t written on and whatever ones had writing were tossed out. He also mentioned how wasteful it is and made it seem like he didn’t want people doing that anymore. It’s just become a thing, I guess.
@@Regent192 no they don’t they give them away
From past experiences, the best thing we as the public can do in these types of situations is wait for the facts and not jump to any conclusions. I think many of us are torn between the "telling the truth until proven lying" and "guilty until proven innocent" standpoints, and at this point making a definitive judgement without knowing all the facts is too risky. However, I'm definitely not judging the opening acts for dropping out because the situation's different for them, and sticking around could possibly put their own reputations (and even careers) in jeopardy. As for the rest of us: wait and see. Demand accountability and push for matters to be cleared up, but it's not on us to decide what is true and what isn't.
(Although, personally, given the general track record of '00s pop punk bands…my hopes are not very high.)
hearing all these allegations is always gut-wrenching, hitting even harder when it’s some of your favorite bands.. hoping they’re not true, but still.. seems like it’s new news coming to light every single week :/
Great video Jon! And yeah idk. I am on no ones side on this situation. I mean of course I want to believe the victim but I want to see what happens next and as crappy as it sounds people have lied before but the fact that their are apparently even more allegations are worrying.
As crappy as it sounds I am not very shocked like Idk maybe it's because I don't stan any bands anymore. It's a very sad situation though. Jack and the rest of the band were very close so if Jack did do anything (which I believe there are allegations even dating way back) than the rest of the band would have had to know about it.
I don't know what's going to happen next I mean yeah ATL could go to court and than act like nothing happened or they might kick out Jack but to know what they will decide to do gets very blurry since they were friends since they were kids.
I am betting that they will probably keep Jack in the band and act like nothing happened tbh. God this situation just sucks.
Not to take any attention away from the serious allegations Jon is talking about in the video but folks if you are on Twitter, Facebook or whatever, please help Mark of Spectrum Pulse have his main channel on UA-cam reinstated, he was hacked by NFT/Crypto scammers, got both his main channel and the channel for Billboard Breakdown reinstated today but now UA-cam have deleted his main channel because of what the scammers did to Mark's channel while they had it.
I will delete my comment if not appropriate.
Well intentioned, but yes, inappropriate. I would personally advocate deletion of this comment.
Totally fine. I recently RT'd to spread the word on Twitter even though I'm not really active on there any more. Hoping Mark gets his channel back, keep reaching out to YT people! The man's channel was DELETED for no reason.
It's really hard because they're public figures and people are treating the situation like they're not famous and people wouldn't have any reasons to make allegations. Several people very close to me have been victims of sexual violence so I tend to stand with victims but, this is one of the situations where if no evidence is provided it's really hard to believe. It's definitely something that should be investigated but it's kind of hard to imagine that with "97" allegations there is absolutely no evidence (as far as I've heard and seen there is no evidence but please correct me if I'm wrong). People are saying ATL needs to provide evidence to clear themselves but then don't demand any sort of evidence from the people making the accusations.
I really don't want this all to be true and if they are my heart goes out to the victims but, we can't crucify people because of not proven allegations. It's not like false allegations never happen, I mean look at Archie William's case, he had an alibi that was confirmed by 3 people, he didn't match the description, and his prints didn't match the ones found at the scene but he was convicted and spent 36 years in prison. There's a pretty large nonprofit called the Innocence Project that's been around almost 100 years because accusations are not always true.
All valid points there. People like to say a small percentage of accusations are false (and then pretend it doesn’t exist) but truth be told, if everyone all of a sudden start believing what they hear especially with no evidence, that percentage will go way up guaranteed. It undermines the whole purpose if you think about it.
I wouldn’t believe that second story until there is hard evidence, those are some super serious accusations.
All the he said, she said bullshit on social media is getting old. Have a court date and investigation, then I'll care.
Man I’ve loved All Time Low for so long, these allegations make me so sad, I hope they properly address the main allegation on Twitter.
Well on the Brightside, that new White Stripes poster looks great!
the Tame Impala poster too!
I'm sorry but why would you take a 10 year old to an ATL concert?
I’m 12 I’ve been to their concerts before when I was nine. My brother would take me
Why not? It's not like it was a botdf or Jeffree star concert. More so I wouldn't let my 10 yr old and her friend go alone to the concert.
Why not? It’s pop punk. I’ve seen younger kids at metal concerts
I don't know much about ATL, do they swear a lot or something? But I did a double take when Jon said 'a lot of your fans are literal children' because there must be some really cool parents if that was the case lol
@@Sara-dp5dg I mean if I had a ten year old I wouldn't. ATL has always been crude, too crude for children in elementary school tbh. But like,,, I guess different parenting styles
Ah shit here we go again
* sighs * that's another one for *emo predator* bingo....
This really just keeps happening to bands I like from band new to swmrs and now all time low. Can’t say I’m surprised considering the scene there from but it’s just sad. It’s gone to the point where I have a list of bands and artists in my head that I really like but are kind off sus so I can mentally prepare myself for the allegations that might or might not come. I do hope these current allegations are false but I also don’t want to invalidate the victim if they are real. I guess what we can hope for is that due to higher awareness to these kind of things hopefully newer bands don’t make the same mistakes.
ADTR fans: first time?
All Time Low shows were always the worst for me. The girls in the audience were literally willing to pull you down by your hair and stomp on you just to get in front of you. I was like 4th row one time and I literally had to fight my way to the back because my body was being contorted at an angle and I felt like I was being shoved to the ground. I literally felt so sick like I was going to pass out. What annoyed me more was ATL basically encouraged that behavior. I used to go to a lot of concerts and some were pretty packed and I got bruises from barricade one time, but nothing has compared to the horrible experiences I’ve had at ATL concerts. I have met them a few times and they seemed nice, but who knows what happens behind the scenes I guess.
Scene girls really pulled hair just to get a better view of these dudes? Damn. Just another reminder being a 6ft tall dude helps me out.
@@racer24t they would also dig their elbows in your shoulders and when I turned around and asked them to stop, they just smirked at me like wtf
That sounds terrible I am sorry
I love ATL and stand by them. I don’t think they have done anything inappropriate. Me and many of my friends went to shows of them and they never did anything creepy or inappropriate. I could have just been lucky but honestly I’ve been part of the scene they were touring in since 2009 and never heard anything bad about them.
Honestly Allegations against a band named “All Time Low” is quite ironic. They will be at an All Time Low if they are true.
Real curious to see what happens in future.
Man, this really sucks. Melancholy Kaleidoscope was my favorite song of last year :(
Not me continuing to listen to Panic!, FOB, Brand New, ATL, Tiny Moving Parts, Neck Deep, TSSF…
Need to check out Yours Truly if you haven't heard them before
Honestly sometimes you just need to separate the art from the artist
@@mandyfrommars8789 yes. This. Especially when the art has been with you for so long.
@@NealBones yes. I really liked their afterglow EP, but wasn’t a huge fan of the self care album when it first dropped. It’s a good record though. Great band.
With the exception of Brand New and now possibly ATL, what's wrong with those bands?
Not saying to not believe the victims but this has happened to 3 of my other favorite bands and every single time it was proven false and nothing adds up like I genuinely don’t know what to believe anymore because people love to fake sexual assault and shit like that and it’s not cool
Why in the world would you flirt with underage girls when they can seemingly have their pick of adult aged women
I am so thankful for your content. It feels like a breathe of fresh air. Everyone is behaving like they just want the allegations to be true and throwing random numbers to back up their opinion. A lot of bands have cut off members immediately because the allegations were proven real. In this case, they are taking legal action saying that it is false, which to me feels like a different behavior than what it was done when the allegations were real. They’ve been my favorite band for years now, I really hope everything is false and nothing bad happens to them.
I’m so glad my favorite band is my chemical romance, Gerard is just too nice to do anything
In my opinion, if someone has an allegation they need to sort out, go to the police. Don’t go make some petty tik tok fishing for comments and plays. Highly doubt the tik tok allegation is real imo
Yessss exactly! Well said.
couldn't've said it better myself
I saw the Twitter story the day after I went to their show in Louisville. Sadly, I think the reason that no one has said anything or kicked him out has partially to do with contracts and/or NDA's. The 2 bands that were opening for them dropped off the tour and continued the rest of the cities on their own separate tour, but never made statements why. And I can't see Alex knowing and not saying anything, especially seeing how vocal he is a lot of things as an ally, even calling out Demi Lovato on Instagram. I LOVE this band! They're one of my favorites! But I definitely think that if there is any truth to the allegations, which I believe they're true, then Jack is being protected somehow for some reason. But I hope that the truth will come out and justice will be served to the deserving party.
I'm not really sure tbh. Jack HAS made some questionable comments on stage and on their podcast full frontal. Even Alex would be like "wtf is up with you, you keep saying weird shit about kids" but at the same time I find it weird that none of their hardcore fans that follow them around the country (and sometime the world) never had an experience like this but a couple of people that no one in the fandom recognizes did.
they’ve been my favorite band since i was 10, and have been keeping up on everything since the tik tok was posted a few weeks ago. not only did they spit in the face of DOZENS of victims that came forwards by saying “we believe victims, just none of you”, but the way they handled the situation before the statement was unacceptable. watching them either completely ignoring it or being petty via shady tweets or changing lyrics at shows (“you can keep that thought for yourself” to “you can keep that lie to yourself”) was sickening.
Same, i bought all their albums back when i was twelve, and i recently got back into them (not anymore tho lmao 🤙🏼) Yet how everyone defending/excusing them with blind faith is making me sick. Like yeah, they mean a lot to me, but if something may or may not have happened, im not gonna act as if the boys are 100% innocent without a doubt.
@@rebecca537 Guilty until proven innocent? So when I accuse you of murder you are going to go to prison first until you can prove you're innocent? You two are dangerous and disgusting!
there's something they said in their statement that has become such a big pet peeve of mine over the years and is just a giant red flag to me. in the same statement, they said 'we support and respect victims' but then immediately follow that with 'we will be taking legal action against the accuser'. those two things cancel each other out, you can't support a group of people and then use one of the most common intimidation tactics against them and silence them.
I'm not saying that, if these allegations are false, they should just take it lying down, however, they shouldn't publicly announce that they are taking action to the public. if they actually were respectful of victims they would want to be made aware of future stories, know the truth and be aware of what their camp is doing, god forbid it's something bad.
but now, in the future, if something happens, instead of telling someone and outing the alleged abuser, the victim will feel pressure to stay silent and live with that trauma/pain because they announced they take legal action against these things.
they shouldn't have included that part, in my opinion, do it privately if you want but announcing it is a direct threat towards other victims who thought about coming forward and the exact opposite of the supposed sentiment of 'supporting/respecting victims'.
I get what you’re saying but no, if someone is falsely accusing you of shit like this you need to shut it down ASAP. This stuff can ruin your life even if it is false if you don’t act accordingly
I still think it is very weird that instead of going to the police (I'm German so I don't know how that works in the US) someone would post a video/statement online.
In this case there are a lot of accusations and I (who has never personally met these guys or even seen them live) don't think that they are all totally made up just for clout.
Police here honestly don't do a ton and many will ignore you or make you feel guilty. My ex threatened to kill me and they told me that the text evidence and his previous record didn't matter. He stabbed a police officer less than 2 weeks later.
@@rikkipowers3921 Although in a culture where we spend way more time and resources telling women to protect themselves, instead of teaching men not to attack women, it still makes me question why her first thoughts weren't to go at least try and reap support from an authority figure. At the age of 15 you're usually aware enough to know that there are creeps and predators out there, but many don't know quite the extent of the internal laziness and corruption of their police force. And especially since the level of care and treatment that law enforcers offer, varies between country, state, and area code, unless you've seeked that protection before you truly don't know what the cops in your area have to offer. So, it is worth a try at least, right? Even if she didn't have a great relationship with her parents, "Tell the police if something goes wrong" is like, parenting 101 and something all kids usually learn before they start school and their social lives.
@@sp0ngeb00b7 all good points.
Me about Cancel Culture:
"They'll never let go Of something you said 10 years ago They're cancelling"
Lyrics from the song Zombified by Falling in reverse
as soon as I read the title, my mind went "oh no...."
I have seen plenty of cases both in and out of the music world where sexual assault/harassment cases turn out to be false then some that turn out to be true. When it comes to famous people and or people who will be making a lot of money, it seems that most of the allegations become false. One story I always go to in cases like this is the Shawn Oakman story. He was accused of sexual assault while at Baylor university and it cost him becoming one of the top NFL draft choices. He eventually got his case to court and within 15 minutes, the accuser basically came out and said she made the allegations against Oakman up. Obviously there is still a lot of missing pieces here with All Time Low but I as of now believe he’s innocent until proven guilty.
I swear this seems to be a trend with girls and women to destroy a band's reputation by saying things that probably never happened to end up getting attention and money in the end. just because the band is popular doesn't mean you should attack them because you probably hate them
Some ppl can't get passed highschool and act more mature. They should know better before the post , whatever they do is gonna end up haunting them in the long run.
I'm guessing ppl like this want rock music to disappear forever
I feel like anytime anyone who’s been accused of this kind of stuff releases “a statement” all Internet personalities always say is that the statement is “disingenuous, or sounds robotic or as if written by a lawyer” or will say whatever to diminish what the statement says bc public opinion has shifted from the person releasing it.
I haven’t followed all time low since 2012 . Idk what they’re like as people. But their image & fanbase then does make these allegations appear very possible, then again, maybe bc they had that image it makes them easy targets for such false allegations bc everyone would believe it. Idk.
I think about Vic minioga & how his career and name we’re dragged through the mud bc of false allegations. Not saying these allegations are that. Not siding with the band. It’s very possible jack did this
I just dislike the knee jerk reaction “commentators” or Internet personalities have when they read or respond to “statements” of this nature bc they always say the same similar thing . It’s like no matter whoever has been accused of sa releases a statement, doesn’t matter what the statement says these commentators/or anybody on Twitter will say it’s fake or disingenuous bc of whose saying it. Idk.
I know that this may not be the so-called popular opinion, but in general, in society, I feel that, men and boys, especially, for DECADES, are not being taught how to respect women, (people, but in this very specifically), but at the same time, if a woman is making false allegations, that are PROVEN, to be false, I'm like, wth is wrong with you, because, not only do you damage this person's reputation, you make the women that, have ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED SEXUAL TRAUMA AND/OR ABUSE, so much harder to believe.. so I definitely understand both sides of the equation...
We are going to see a ton more bands and musicians who were active before the me too movement having videos like this come out about them.
Why can’t people just not be disgusting creeps? WHY?
I love All Time Low so much and I’m glad they spoke out about the allegations and it’s very true that some people lie about a band and to be honest I’m glad Jack toned down with the bra and boobs thing and they are a great band but hopefully they speak more about it and back in the movies Jack has been a weird with the boobs Thea things and I don’t want my babies to be canceled like “fans” tried to do with Pierce The Veil
All Time Low have been my favorite band for 11 years now, by far, and words really can’t describe how terrible seeing all of these allegations pour out have made me feel.
Obviously it’s nothing compared to how the victims feel, but they’ve been the one thing in my life that I can always count on to make me feel better when I’m down, and this definitely taints that.
The sucky thing is that I’m not terribly surprised. I always thought the bra thing was weird, and though I always attributed the crass strange banter to trying to copy blink-182, they take on a darker light when you consider all of the allegations.
This really hurts like hell to see, and I’ve legitimately been depressed for about a week over this.
That statement was absolutely awful. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised they didn’t deal with it like Steve in New Found Glory and kick him out right away, but even if all of the allegations aren’t true, it makes them look really bad.
Jack doubling down on his personal Twitter just saying “the allegations are false” and nothing else made it look even worse. At least admit to the inappropriate humor at your shows, and apologize for making people uncomfortable.
This sucks. Really badly. I’m still processing this situation, and don’t know how I’m going to go about supporting them in the future.
I do think they may just need to kick Jack out, seeing as he’s the target of all of the accusations. It’s not like he’s such an amazing guitarist that he couldn’t be replaced. It just seems like they’re all digging in their heels and letting the band go down with him, and it’s awful to see.
*I* think the reason they don't want to kick Jack is because he's the "humor and energy" of the band. He made/makes jokes (the funny ones, not the sex ones) all the time so the fans think he's genuine and charismatic, All Time Low younger fans (who don't know about the allegations) love him and his attitude, so if they kick him out of the band "it's not gonna be the same". *Probably* they think they gonna lose fans if they cut connections with Jack, and that's the reason everyone on the band ignores the theme :(
I’m at the point where I just do not care about any of these scandals anymore. Anyone want to recommend me a genre of music to get into that isn’t popular with teenage girls in current year so I don’t have to worry about this shit constantly happening? Thanks
2021 has sure been a year for allegations. It's really ludicrous of how disgusting this all is.
I just saw them last Saturday, and now I’ve got no idea what to believe
First it was A Day To Remember, now it's All Time Low, fuck who's next, Pete Wentz?
Maybe Franz Ferdinand, pieces of shit that didn't do anything in life trying to destroy the whole work of this bands and artists.
Oh no. Please don’t tempt fate.
@@gianlu018 excuse me what?
Don’t scare us like this.
@@skyleague9844 Well, there were so many times that people make this allegations just to fuck up the career of someone, I guess there have to be a mid zone when we discuss, but with all shit happening before, it's hard to believe.
ATL are one of my favorite bands and if Jack did this he needs to be replaced but I'll need more to come out or something to happen to make a decision on what I believe...
It's mostly on twitter and emo stan and weeb stan. Popstars and hiphop artists CAN'T be canceled.
Seems a little more up in the air so to speak than the ADTR situation. I'd tend to agree though if it is just "Jack is the problem" then cutting him off would be the best course of action.
People can change, people can grow. That being said, this is still unacceptable if true.
Not trying to be that guy but hard to believe a random girl who said this on a tik tok video...
Same here I don’t believe her story at all honestly..
I don’t understand how nothing is said until now…. ATL falls off the radar for a few years and then they release new hit music and NOW there’s allegations against them? Why does this happen when a band starts to come up again? I’m not saying these are false allegations or that they are true, I’m commenting on the fact that no one has anything to say when no one gives a shit about a band but then when the band makes a comeback, then people point fingers, why not say something until now? What evidence do you have to prove your allegations? Your ducks aren’t in row to make these claims now, so why not say something 5-10 years ago? Timing is everything.
The timing is very suspicious
I mean, just staring the facts, if you read the note I linked to it said they’ve brought it up multiple times but we’re bullied or legally threatened into silence.
You can’t really side with anyone here. I just feel like there has to be some kind of tangible proof in this situation. We are talking tens of thousands in expenses for their tours (I still don’t know how this is possible as a 15-21 year with a not-so-good relationship with their parents), there was constant conversations on the phone it seems, etc. There has to visual proof somewhere. I don’t know how there couldn’t be, or if she just decided to not release it.
All Time Low obviously isn’t scared of the police/courts getting involved so it’s just a weird situation all around.
I'm so fricking tired of this, first ADTR and then All Time Low, if these allegations have any actual evidence, sure I'll believe it, but these allegations come out of nowhere from the most random of people, never actually mentioning the bands by name, and the thing that gets to me is that the majority of the time it always comes out as false, it's so annoying, again, if it actually does come out with evidence, I'll take it seriously, but I highly doubt it.
All I can say is that I sincerely hope these are lies
Here's my thing I believe innocent to prove it guilty because that's always been a thing for a longest time. Like I understand tictok is making people coming forward about the allegations but at the same time people do lie a lot. some even do it for clout or little bit of Fame . All I got to say is I'm not a big fan of all time low but hopefully there is some receipts to prove that if they're innocent or not . All I got to say is I can't stand cancel culture because it ruins everybody's life and makes it harder for people to move forward in life. 🤷🏿♂️
I'm surprised you haven't made a video talking about their lawsuit...
Pop Punk seems to be in hot waters lately.
After the thing that happened to David D from SP im literally scared of black backgrounds with white letters
Idk man, i don't believe it... I genuinely don't feel like these allegations are true. If proof comes out, I'll look into it...
Its very disturbing but I feel like false stories come out a lot, and I'm REALLY hoping thats the case here. Either way, i hope the people saying this stuff aren't getting harassed by ATL stans
Please don’t do this! Always be in the middle and don’t pick a side until everything comes out. Just because you like a band doesn’t mean you can just automatically side with them. It’s super hurtful to the victims and can make you come off as biased. Also unfortunately these girls are definitely getting harassed for even coming out about abuse real or not. A woman can literally have a video of her being assaulted and some people would still call her a liar. I truly believe that
@@ringer1324 i see your point but, I don't know... those stories seem to pop up suddenly, years later, and sure, maybe the first comment/allegation just gave others courage to speak out, too, but that idea of "standing in the middle" is just bs. It doesn't make sense. I cannot say "innocent until proven guilty" and "they may have harrassed that girl" and really mean it.
Very true cause a lot of people want attention and clout and I don’t believe that All Time Low would hurt their fans
so...I will put my two cents on this for both sides(despite only having one thing to say in defense) I also would like to say I don't have a clear source for the story of the supposed victim so if anyone could drop a link that would be great
In one regard I feel the band's confident statement about these allegations might point to them being false, and something I heard from an actual detective first hand is that a person who doesn't show up most likely did it, however the statement was behind a screen nor a video so that can detract.
Regarding behavior, I always found it weird how there seemed to be this running joke of Jack constantly being naked somewhere, more so in retrospect because why would you present to your pre-dominantly tween-teen audience like that?
And that's probably the last point that is important to talk about. While I know there is at least one story of a fan being groomed assaulted, kept going to shows it seems non-sensical for them to keep going, but as someone who's' gone through sexual abuse in my life I understand this need to "overlook" and to make it make sense to yourself. If there are stories of statutory rape that's also a can of worms for this scene. Statutory rape, especially in this case is because these 14, 15, 16 year olds think they are PERSONALLY grown enough to be engaging in relations as such and are therefore blinded by bias of how creepy this all is from an outside perspective, so it all hits different at a later age. I saw a comment somewhere that said "I was called cute by a band member when I was 14 and I was simply flattered, pedophilia hits different later on" which I think could be a big part of these stories not blowing up as much when they either came out or when it happened.
I hadn’t even heard of this until this video.
The statement sounds like it was written by the band just because there’s a lot of redundancies. But their lawyer definitely told them to write it. And if it was by a lawyer that lawyer needs to take a writing class.
Twitter always goes hard in the replies regardless of what the situation is.
The second one definitely sounds more like LiveJournal rumors if it was made and deleted like that. It sucks, but whenever something comes out about any famous person, a million and a half fake things pile on top of it. Much like the fake Twitter rumors made about Joe Biden that eventually came out as false.
Their immediate response is at least better than how other bands handle it.
SWMRS isn’t really indicative of anything with FBR since that was specifically a Burger Records scandal that resulted in that label folding. That band had no reputation other than one of them was Billie Joe Armstrong’s kid. I don’t remember them fronting that hard as feminists or whatever. Them going away had no impact on the music world. Burger Records was only relevant in LA. It really wasn’t that big of a deal that SWMRS or anyone else went down after that
As a huge Green Day fan, the rumor is that Billie Joe doesn’t have an active Twitter or Instagram at the moment due to his son Joey Armstrong being the reason behind the allegations (allegations is weird for me to say if you read both statements, it’s basically a true claim). It kinda made me look at them a different way.
@@jadered9514 All the members of Green Day go through periods where they don’t use social media so I wouldn’t think too hard about that aspect. A lot of brands and artists in general have been moving away from Twitter for awhile
SWMRS/Emily’s Army wasn’t that large of a band and didn’t have a big following, which was true of basically every Burger Records band. That band going down had no impact on the world of music
*to clarify my original comment. I meant the way they are on stage. I haven't seen or heard anything aboit back stage* All I can say is when my husband came to one of their shows with me (I've seen them a ton and thought nothing but...) he was so uncomfortable and said "Are they 12...wtf is happening?? Ok...I'm going to the bar...no...I'll see you later" as a girl/woman it's so normalised to see that kind of behaviour that I didn't think anything of it until an "outsider" was there. I don't know if this makes sense but yeah, I wish I could say I'm surprised but sadly i'm not and sometimes we need space away or another "outsider" to give the perspective that it's not normal or ok...
very true! many people who flat out ignore the allegations are quick to believe allegations against other bands, but not their favourites. having an outsider's opinion is very important.
You are not a victim if you make false allegations!
Unfortunately they were quite well known in the scene for this around the 2010s. Nobody who noted it back then is surprised now.
I know this is no laughing matter but this truly is the bands All Time Low no but seriously hopefully more information comes out soon and we can come to the bottom of the situation. I’m gonna see both sides before making a decision. He (they if the band knew) needs to be held accountable.
Just go to police or sue them directly not just posting on tiktok or twitter. this "Post it on social media 1st" has become a norm to people. I get it, cancel culture is the way especially person/target is influential. just submit a formal complain then go wild on social media about it.
We lost the idea of what it means for men and women to normally interact with each other. We tend to blur the line between what is consensual and what isn't. If you have engaged in certain activities and only years later decide that you are no longer okay with what you participated in... no... I'm sorry no. They selling some bull shit and I aint buying.