Is Russia attacking US personnel?
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I may or may not watch the 60 minutes clip. I don't trust them because they are too show business. Were it all in your head, I would expect a much more complex set of symptoms, including dressing in a lizard suit and proclaiming a hunger for rocks of a certain size.
Hi Vlad👋, thank you for this video, it was really interesting and informative, and I thoroughly enjoyed listening to how you analyze an article, and I wonder if this is something you could please consider doing more often, perhaps even implement it as a regular part of your videos?
Thanks again.
Respectfully, Grace🩰
Don't forget the pesticides used in places like Cuba
Damn, you linked the most interesting (and never-ending) article i've seen in my life! Insider, Spiegel and 60minutes should recieve Pulitzer, some medal of honor or if they carry on investigations resulting in capture of these Russian assets - maybe a Nobel Peace-prize? Only questionable thing i saw there is using the conspiracy term "color-revolutions", but at least they partly explain it's a myth.
You posted this on April 1. Is this a joke? You are saying that it's a good theory to think the Russians might have been going around the world zapping mostly low-ranking embassy staffers in the heads with high-tech ray guns that no one has ever seen much less studied, during years in which we were at peace. For what advantage? The whole thing makes no sense. If you don't think sociogenic illnesses exist, I suggest you take a look at the trans epidemic.
"Ive had a health incident myself in Havana... cause I ate chicken" 😂 your humor is just as good as your analysis.
I wouldn't exclude the possibility of Russians making a hit on a free thinker.
Unsure about other nationalities but its well documented that Canadian diplomatic staff have also been impacted severely
And I'm sure the americans are guilty while they pretend to be a target, and if that technology has fallen into foreign hands, well we're most likely watching a ping pong game between governments.
@penzman Evidence?
@@tcritt Only circumstantial. When was the last time a new weapons application didn't originate in the US?
@@bsh819it happens often. The CCP is experimenting with new weapons albeit stolen technology from western countries.
@@bsh819Ukraine. 😂
Some years ago there were rumours about such kind of attacks directed towards Bucharest. People working in the center of the city complaining about severe headaches in the same day. Russians have been interested for a long time in this type of weapons.
Hey I live in Bucharest and you got me worried. Can you link any info pls?
@@DeathForSk8 As long you're not spending time near foreign dignitaries or government figures you are not at risk.
@@yurisonovab3892 Nonsensical argument. These people represent our countries, and any weapon being used on a fellow citizen of mine should be cause for concern.
@@skullsaintdead That would be a nonsensical argument. If that was my argument. But it isn't. It is a cause for concern. But it remains true that outside of those circumstances, the risk of exposure to the effect itself is negligible.
You're sounding and looking good...CHECK!
Vlad drinks hemp tea and stays on the air. I love this guy. He has nothing to hide and shares his thoughts au natural. He reminds me of my hippy days in America. But I wanted peace with North Vietnam by conquest, not negotiation.
@@AstroGremlinAmericanHippy days but you supported a US war where they had no business interfering killing civilians.
good job very au natural
@@More_RowHow did he support the war? And how were the North Vietnamese and Soviets anymore justified. People keep forgetting the US wasn’t at war against Vietnam. They went to war alongside the ARVN just as the Soviets went to war alongside the NVC. And the only reason we only hear about what Americans did there was because they have a free press. No one got to record all the atrocities they were committing.
BTW, how the hell did both of you misspell hippie? lol@“hippy.” Makes me wonder if anyone is telling the truth.
I have friends who went through the Gulf War Syndrome battle for recognition. I recognise the similarities you see in the story of the victims of Havana Syndrome. I have read about this in the past in The Observer (UK paper published on Sundays).
I'll be following this story.
Gulf war syndrome denial has been horrible
@VladVexlerChat it wasn't denied in the uk, we quickly addressed it. However, I don't trust the Americans in this regard.
@@VladVexlerChat I'm old enough to remember how they handled the Agent Orange exposure. Same denial.
I love your humor in the intro. Looks like you are feeling better hopefully ❤
Thanks so much!
@@VladVexlerChat I am just hearing the video. It's not that funny. I look forward to your reliable summary. They are dirty birds and unashamed due to indoctrination about the decaying west.
It's NOT just US personnel. Canadian personnel working overseas in some of the same areas have ALSO had their health disrupted in the same way.
‘Japanese cherry blossom tea with homemade hemp milk’? Wow!
Weird flex,but ok:)
I don't know anything about these sorts of illnesses, but I would guess that the major questions to be answered here in terms of feasibility are: "What kind of sonic beam could deal lasting damage to living cells/tissue, how much energy would it take to produce this beam, and what would be the area of effect?" If the answers to these questions point to a feasible weapon, then I don't see an overriding reason to be dismissive.
140dBC is normally considered the damage threshold. That is very loud, however, if the energy was mainly concentrated above 10kHz it might not be clearly discernable as a noise to many people. It would be fairly easy to detect on an acoustic analyser. Such devices are readily available.
Many types of animals, especially whales use infrasound as a hunting weapon. A human can be fatally injured if a sperm whale clicking close to their head or even just their body.
Reading back, I just remembered a BBC video about using ultrasound to kill cancer cells: ua-cam.com/video/cHxbF91DZmw/v-deo.htmlsi=bnxpLr9YXxTLvtpt
I suppose that answers the first question. Maybe there is some kind of frequency range where the effects are less detectable?
I know that infrasound can cause all kinds of weird things in the body and head. Low frequency, auditorily imperceptible but can make you feel really bad. Honestly, we need more research into these types of physio-psychological things (that can be weaponized) also as an explanation for all kinds of diseases that have been dismissed as "just psychological" (lol). It's not just animals who feel such signals. Like how some animals react just before a quake or similar. I react very hard to air pressure changes that some others don't notice at all for example. Joint pain, tiredness, even stomach upset.
Yep, out of interest there are public records of the British Squawkbox weapon, US Active Denial System and recent work by the pentagon on an ultrasonic sound cannon. I think the technical question is not the capability one but indeed the medical one. I.e. it's not 'can these technologies be weaponized?', it's 'can such use explain these case outcomes over other factors?'. Then the main question returns to being, were these cases collectively, or even in part, a result of that type of technology use.
The fact the US withheld talking about it actually lends to the argument it wasn't psychosocial. That is, the coverage of havana syndrome external to US defence was not exactly a viral phenomena (it popped up in some media circles for a little while), and, if internally it was not widely discussed or was even omitted from analysis, then there is not much social network for the idea to spread, let alone influence many people. Particularly when reported cases are being pulled from before widespread media coverage.
To me it sounds like a) intentional ops from rus b) unintentional industrial or experimental source (unlikely) or c) counterintelligence ops from US (also unlikely that every person was involved and briefed, but more likely than random social placebo). Given the Kremlin willingly pushes boundaries of hybrid conflict with cyber and paramilitary forces, it seems most likely something they would see benefit in testing out against US personnel.
P.S. Why not against the UK? Up until 2022 the focus was on courting right wing movements and info ops in europe while there was still a large willingness to deal with russia despite their 2014 attacks already. Why not ukr? Well they had much more direct intervention already - political and especially paramilitary since 2014. Why not the baltics? Perhaps there they wanted more plausible deniability, so you got the tallinn cyber attacks etc. But who knows, maybe examples will come to light from any of those places or others.
@@ripvanwando infrasonic, and ultrasonic... as well as microwave...directed energy 'weapons' exist... but they are entirely obvious, in the sense concealing them in their use is implausible. Sometimes working with constraints on size, and power demand, are enough to conclude some things are highly implausible.
There are animals, such as whales, which use infrasound as a weapon. You can actually be killed by a sperm whale clicking too close to your head.
There are animals, such as whales, which use infrasound as a weapon. You can actually be killed by a sperm whale clicking too close to your head.
@@willthecat3861weeelll, if, say someone came up with better antenna tech, stuff gets more within reach. And even before what we now know as AI, there were bio-inspired algorithms that made better developments possible, eg. Genetic/Evolutionary Algorithms.
And stuff that wouldn't have been possible in, say, a vehicle, in the 90s because of power needs might just have become possible in the mid-2000s when battery tech got a lot better.
Longtime user of TMS therapy here. I don’t know how this weapon works but I have experienced how electromagnetic radiation can scramble your brain. TMS was definitely audible and sound like a pulsed clicking. It made my jaw muscles clench uncontrollably. I would always have a little brain fog after each session.
My heart goes out to the victims. I can only imagine how debilitating that must be. Shame on the administrations for covering this up.
Sometimes these experiences are simply dirty ears/tinnitus and maybe some dust mites or small insects. Think with all the electrics we have now that provides a backing track , removing silence and replacing it with various tones of electrical output.
My fridge freezer makes a hell of a noise.
Bro everybody I know have or have experienced brain fog …
I always thought it has to do something with Covid … after Covid people became more aggressive and also lost their mind(fog) can’t think clearly etc
@@captainseadog7600 it’s anecdotal but “brain fog” or periods of cognitive impairment and fatigue increased massively after initial Covid infection.
The interesting thing is “long COVID” tends to be dismissed by medical community since they can’t seem to properly explain and address the problem, similar to the syndromes in the video
I cannot but find so much comfort in how you greet us Vlad. Lots of love to all in the beautiful community.
It’s always infuriating when psychiatrists try to tell hundreds and often thousands of people are imagining their symptoms and/or experiencing mass hysteria.
But they're often right, though.
This is really a wrong take on what psychiatrists say. In this instance with Havanna syndrome, they have to say that with their knowledge and expertise "the most likely cause is it's made up by the brain". A layman often takes this stance as a way to dismiss a person's illness and say the patient makes it up. However, it says a lot about the misunderstanding of current Western practices in medicine, as well as general misunderstanding of the way the brain works.
First, the knowledge of how the brain works is enormously lacking. Without knowing how the brain works, psychiatrists cannot give effective treatment; no treatment is preferred over wrong treatment. Nor is every psychiatrist sufficiently knowledgeable and all-knowing of described illnesses, possibly ascribing conditions to "hallucinations" too easily. The system just isn't effective enough to prevent this from happening, and too costly to fix. But, it's better than not having it.
Secondly, the likeliness of hallucinations is much more likely the more you see other patients, and understand how the brain works. It just isn't a dismissal, but a recognition of the brain's complexity and potential to "make things up", because it does all the time as it's part of its normal functioning.
Hopefully this sheds a bit of light on this misunderstanding and frustration about psychiatrist.
It's always infuriating when people think their experiences are some objective truth
Vlad, do you think the reason the US might be avoiding the subject/down playing this is: More fear of escalation with Russia? They would have to admit an attack on Americans and do something about it.
It would be an act of war.
Exactly my thought too....
All that remains is to shake the test tube at the UN.
@@oglordbrandonWhile some might call it that, it’s rare countries treat these type of actions as acts of war. And the US public wouldn’t expect war over this.
Anyway, he is an intelligent philosopher and analyst of ethics, historical motivations, etc., but he is far from well versed on geopolitics. So, he’s not exactly the best person to ask about how/why the US gov. has treated the issue.
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Although there are a lot of baseline assumptions needed to speculate, the fact that some of the supposed targets of this weapon were only formerly involved in Russian interests does not necessarily mean they are being retroactively targeted. It could be that the individuals are still deemed a risk to Russian interests, or more likely it could just be because of flaws and delays in targeting methodology mean that some individuals have moved on in their careers before the attack takes place.
Good to see you're doing better.
can't help but feel nostalgic for the dirtbag days of quipping that Havana Syndrome was just a euphemism for the horrendous hangovers diplomats would experience after drinking way too much Cuban rum
Sadly to us in the chronic illness community it was always clear it was real
Family pets - with hangovers?
@@leahwoodworth3325 hell yeah!
Since it's been demonstrated numerous times that both the Russia, and the USSR before, have been very creative in using radiation and poisons to intentionally harm persona non grata, any unusual pattern of medical issues will conjure the specter of possible covert attack. I am unwilling to characterize this possibility as a 'conspiracy theory', specifically because of the dismissive attitude which this label engenders, in those subsequently discussing any phenomenological evidence for, or against, intentional attacks by a state actor. The specifics of the science behind measuring any acoustic, electromagnetic radiation,or poisons in conjunction with the same, is still likely classified. For this reason, it is perhaps premature for discussions regarding the ongoing investigation here by the general public. But thank you for your animated discussion. I am more interested in seeing you feeling better from your recent illness than these issues anyway.
As the old adage says, it is not paranoia if _they_ really are out to get you, and there is no doubt that Putin's Russia is a terrorist state.
I have been generally impressed with christo grozev as well as bellingcat. They all seem to be very certain to not overreach without facts to support their claims.
The reporters have the luxury of being private individuals. Whether they are right or wrong, it ultimately, at most, can move public sentiment and opinion. The US government has to be rock solid, without a doubt about it being an attack if indeed that is what this is because the second that conclusion is stated publicly, it is an acknowledgement that nothing less than multiple acts of war have been committed against the US.
Furthermore.. what are the implications of such a potential attack? What kind of response would even be appropriate? These questions are far from trivial to answer.
Presumably there’s also the issue of admitting the DoD may have no reliable defense against these kinds of attacks, throwing into doubt the safety of US personnel everywhere
@@dannyt4663 Many of the people experiencing these effects have not been in situations that are set up to protect or defend against this sort of thing, and that's assuming it is an attack. The story of the person in the video was doing the laundry. She could have just as easily shot with a normal old gun. That doesn't mean the DoD has no way to protect people against projectiles.
@@gogudelagaze1585 That's the easiest, albeit insanely horrifying, question to answer. If US military and civilian personnel and citizens have been intentionally targeted and attacked, there is only one response. At the moment, however, the Ukraine conflict could provide a unique out. There would be no need to respond against Russian forces on Russian soil, and Russia is already saying that the US is one of the countries being fought as it is.
@@LackofFaithify right, but a gun is a known quantity, not an attack of unknown and unidentified origin (if it is an attack). I don’t know if there is a reliable defense against this sort of thing, that’s a speculation. But let’s imagine there is - does that mean a complete rehaul of security conditions needs to be assessed for US personnel around the globe? I can’t imagine that will be quick, cheap, or easy, so either way safety is called into question.
This was years ago in the news in Germany. Spiegel is normally ok. I'm sure.
Spiegel is usually lying - they just invent stories of poor refugees dying on their way to Germany and took millions from the Gates foundation to promote the RNA/DNA products.
The Spiegel Magazin is a piece of 💩because I am fluent in the German language 🤮🤮🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@Vlad, in the 90's I fell in love with Cuba and went there in total 4 times to spend longer periods of time there, and regardless of post Soviet misery and poverty, I loved it there. The people, the country, the music, the parties, the amazing resourcefulness of the people to overcome heartbreaking Castrista misery - I didn't live in hotels but with Cubans.
It was clear to everybody then that what happened in the US embassy in Havana then, and seemingly until today, was/is a russian continuous attack on the staff in the embassy. Now it happens worldwide? Quel surprise...
Very interesting analysis -- thanks!
I'm not an expert on biological impacts of microwave exposure, but I do have a degree in electrical engineering from MIT, and in my opinion, it would be astounding for anyone to claim that it's impossible for effects like those reported to be produced by electromagnetic radiation. That is, the scenario you sketch toward the end, of a panel of experts saying "this could not be from a weapon", is not plausible. Anyone who has ever used a microwave oven knows that microwaves interact with biological tissue.
That doesn't prove it's the GRU, but I don't think the possibility can be ruled out on grounds of technical feasibility.
I agree completely and have personal experience of a physiological effect of a pulse modulated microwave directed at my head from the side. I could "hear" the pulse repetition frequency and could see sparkles of light in one side of my peripheral vision.
I'd assume that any lab working on radar for weather detection or for object detection and targeting will occasionally have an accidental exposure that would induce a possible question of possible usefulness as a weapon.
Technology to pulse modulate microwaves has existed in compact and inexpensive devices ( in relative terms) for many decades.
This is only to say that I believe it's not only plausible, but inevitable that experiments have been done and weapons created.
There are probably other technologies that I haven't thought about that would also have been investigated, mainly because that's what weapons researchers get paid to do.
Putin has plenty of prisoners to test his sound weapons on (& subsequently dispose of).
UK and Americans are lambs.🐑
We heard this in former Yugoslavia that then CCCP experimenting with sonic, climate and earthquake/tectonic weapons about 45 years ago and whether it was a myth or reality we don't know but it seems that there is something in it and it is probably closer to being true...This episode is definitely an eye opening to most of your viewers ....
There are also Canadian Diplomats who have been afflicted overseas. According to "60 Minutes."" And U.S. Federal Government workers and one Congressman (reported by '60 Minutes') have had this affliction. Some of whom were effected in the area of the White House in Washington D.C.
That's only because they didn't have enough Canadian flags on everything to make sure people didn't mistake them for Americans.
Great video Vlad, Havana syndrome is one of those issues I've struggled to find up from down on and this has really helped. Hope you had an enjoyable Easter
Vlad, I've stumbled across a very thoroughly documented paper by Stuttgart Uni professor (at the time) Serge Kernbach entitled "Unconventional research in USSR and Russia: short overview". The contents of that paper match with what some retired Soviet-era generals were saying. I had dismissed them as cranks previously, but they match up with what the investigation revealed.
As a scientist, I think about the base rate fallacy. What is the background rate of such illnesses? Like long covid. Ppl get these debilitating fatigue syndromes at some base rate. And these ill-defined symptoms or acute incidents? how often do they happen? Among the 1000s of diplomats and their families every year? And would they even report them if not for public reporting?
@JamesLevineAndSons I’m saying. I don’t know. But if I go with a Bayesian analysis and list all the possible explanations, a Russian death ray is at the very very bottom of the list on probable explanations. As you say, confirmation bias of individual accounts after hearing the stories. so first I want to know how prevalent are the amongst the diplomatic community in this locations? In the local staff? in the broader community? The investigation might end there if diplomats were not special. If they were, I want to know other environment factors, local toxic or infections agents? i’d want to have objective measures, lab tests, diagnostic prosecutes like MRI? (Previous reports have been split. Some docs, say they finds stuff, others say it just part of normal variation) If I was going to explore the death ray hypothesis to update my initial assignment of probabilities. Did the Russian do similar research in the past? Do academics have a good idea of how electromagnetic radiation affects the brain? Do these symptoms match? Does brain imaging match? What do expert think the kind of EM radiation might be? Etc etc etc. I’m a skeptic by nature. And I’m still not anywhere near convinced by the reporting I’ve seen.
Commenting for the algorithm. Also very nice taste in tea.
sank you
The comment moderation algorithm got very active here for whatever reason..I think certain keywords are flagged on this video.
If true this would be an act of war.
Like both sides don´t have enough reasons already?
It´s just about who acts first now!
@@larzkruber822 No.
Lol, not at all.
uuuuuuuh no its not an act of war, unless the definition of war expanded significantly since I was last aware
Everything they have done for the last two years is basically an act of war, we are just trying to hope they magically stop before it gets impossible to ignore, basically exactly how world war 2 set up.. appeasement to try and defuse the situation until it cant be done anymore.
Is hemp milk good? I use oat milk myself. For coffee though.
I rarely have anything with milk, as my coffee is always black, but I have a machine that makes non dairy milk. So I sometimes make almond milk, cashew milk and hemp milk. I do think oat is texturally superior for coffee.
For taste Hemp is very neutral and texturally fragile.
Tinnitus?
@@VladVexlerChat I have to know what textually fragile means?
Around 23:00. "Reduktor" is not exactly "Gearbox", but a type of gearbox - "Reducer" as the name tells. It is usually much simpler than a gearbox, having only one reducing gear.
This is for the other 2,4% of our beautiful community who are into tech stuff 😅.
Much ❤
Your analysis and breakdown of this journalistic endeavor is excellent! I'm extremely impressed with your ability to logically dissect and disseminate logically all its nuances!
Wasn't Lime disease a bit like that, I'm sure there was some differences of opinion about how real it was, there have been a number of health conditions in that category.
I’m so sorry for the people affected.
Thank you for sorting it in.
Why did they have to publish the articles on this special date?
Thank -You, reminded me of my Grandmother who in 1918 Was diagnosed with a mental illness that gave constipation ,ridgid walking and a stammering voice and who's sisters being registered nurse's at Sunnybrook hospital agreed and after 50 years toolk her to Lockwood Clinic where she wqs diagnosed "Parkinson's DISEASE" her lifelong Doctor and the highest earner in family practice Ontario Canada held to his original diagnosis and never talked to the family again.
Now just today and so many family having Gluten issues after years of constipation and mental health problems snd Prescription issues for mental illness . What can I day when every Medical Doctor I have experienced has thrown a fit and tossed vthe chart's into the Air makes me after 66years feel hopeful
Over the years, there has been a lot of credible mainstream press and media coverage re- this phenomena, but the US Gov. is denying this syndrome exists after their various serious internal evaluations. My guess is that they are covering it up because of how serious it is. Not just a few, but many personnel have been affected long term in the US and Canadian diplomatic and intelligence corp.
Thank you Vlad...I never could have dragged myself through any of this without you...
I can tell by your chirpyness that you were having a great day when you were recording this, you seemed in particularly high spirits! Long may it continue Vlad
There is one possibility, no one talks about. The cause could also be unintended environmental exposure from the workplace.
Let’s be boring and remove the spy versus spy stuff. Groups of connected people sometimes develop mysterious ailments. Environmental exposure is often the cause. If everyone gets immediate symptoms it’s not mysterious for long. Then it’s often a combination of circumstances. Time and level of exposure and personal sensitivity.
I don’t say it so. But that it need to be excluded. What if it’s say just a type of paint admitting a toxic under certain specific conditions.
This reminds me of a story I heard years ago. I do not remember the details but there was this stage performance organized by a musician in the last century. The noise he generated caused a sudden and intense reaction of fear in the audience. This incident was later used in a conspiracy theory about sound-based weapons. I find this very interesting. The potential for political fiction writing is enormous
sound-based weapons are not a conspiracy theory they exist and military and police already have them; they can cause a range of effects from incapacitation to unconsciousness to far worse....
@@prismpyre7653 as I said, I do not remember the details. I was speaking about the stage performance specifically though
Thanks Vlad for your clear-eyed assessment. I will now go read the article. It's a horrible thing that Russia apparently has done to these people. and even to their kids...
You have a compelling argument. I've always wondered if Havana syndrome was real. Mass psychosomatic illness in that population would be minimal and rare.
Explanations like "mass hysteria" and "sociogenic illness" always set off my BS alarm.
I am not a mental health professional, but in such cases you probably don't need to be one to see the interference coming from on high.
Neurosis is always suspect in cases like this, particularly if the folks were hoping for a Paris posting but got Havana in instead.
If it is directed energy, electromagnetic or acoustic it should be relatively straightforward to unequivocally detect with the right instruments/receivers.
It's quite common. See e.g. "cell phone allergy".
Ultrasonic frequencies can carry high energy while at the same time vibrating at frequencies beyond ordinary human hearing.
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I heard ham milk too haha
Ham milk this is, from Ham-pshire cows 😂
Very interesting commentary. Thank you. For my own somewhat ignorant processing, I have a void on the physicality of the actual weapon. What it might look like, what is its size, range, components, ease of build, portability, transport between countries, power source etc. I am sure every country that can, has and is developing, researching and testing similar technology, and I have yet to see anything regarding an actual weapon.
Excellent analysis Vlad - thank you!
I love how you approach this, or in fact any, topic, Vlad.
Lots of love from Austria.
As an R.N.for 55 years, I have worked in conflict areas an as a medical professional with experience in many areas of medical practice. I have 100% felt it very credible that Havana Syndrome is a pulsed microwave attack (or a similar technology). I am also 100% sure that the U.S. has this technology also, which is probably why they deny that it has been used by a foreign agent. This 'political speak' for some unknown political and military reasons, is totally unhelpful to all those people who are affected. Why the continued cover for Russia and Russian terror tactics. Could it have to do with corporate power to make money in collaboration with Russia?? It gives credence to Corporate interference in political matters over some government leaders whether these leaders know it or not. How to make sense of the U.S, denial of reality?
Vlad thank you for the new content. You look much better today. This makes me happy. Stay well my friend😊
A friend of mine sent me an article in Foreign Affairs. Usually a good source, but it is really opinion. The article seemed to have an "Agenda," so I looked up the author and their credentials. (Member of a right-wing think tank organization) Bingo! The reason the tone was what it was. That analysis took effort, and many just don't or won't take the time, especially if it conforms to their biases. Great analysis, as always, Vlad. Thank you. I think about the nerve agent attacks on Russians in England. Ruling anything out is unwise.
Yes most dont wany to make that effort. But can we expect that from people? I am more of the philosophy of blaming people less for these shortcomings and rather prefer making it easier for people to get this information instesd of them having to investigate themselves.
Agreed! Trust has been so eroded- part of the issue I think.
Hi Vlad!
Yesterday I watched psychological profiles of Russian political and propaganda figures.
What caught my attention is dark triad traits: Machiavellianism, Narcissism, Psychopathy (and Sadism- making it tetrade).
This maskes me wonder that those traits resonating in aforementioned figures are projected onto Russian population.
Ex. average pro-war Russan Joe (Or Vanya, to be more precise) says:
"So what some Ukrainian people might die? But we are saving Ukraine from nationalizm for greater good.
And moreover, we confront Western dysfunctional democracy, NATO, US".
This definiely sounds like Machiavellism and self-entitled grandiosity.
Sadism is what we could observe as reaction on terrorist attack in Moscow.
This certainly raises interesting questions about the nature of the equipment used, its size and how it can he hidden in plain sight - and what can be done to detect thee systems used.
Why has the U.S. govt not investigated properly? e,g. having suitable radiation detection at relevant locations, better CCTV etc.
I am beginning to be aware that technology is capable of so many new things.
Unfortunately preventing food poisoning isn't one of them😊
I was listening to this on Radio 4 on the way home today. One person asked a very pertinent question to my mind, which was why American and some Canadian's were targeted? Why no British, or French or German government workers? They never answered it, because no one knows currently, but part of me can't help but jump to "because they'd never heard of it" as a possible reason. Difficult to be part of a mass hysteria if you know nothing about it. My biggest query though would be what would the Russians gain from attacking these victims?
About the technical possibility, there was a report about US Army developing a vehicle-mounted microwave projector to non-lethal dispersal of crowds back in 2000s that produced similar symptoms in targets, and as far as it goes it wasn't based on a state-of-art tech then (in other words, the technology wasn't exactly newly developed) and the development was no longer secret. So as far as technical feasibility goes, this report would pass as plausible as there was nothing holding back Russians (or Soviets before them) developing a similar weapon.
Yes, this. I was in graduate school at the time, studying RF circuits, and one faculty member I know turned down DARPA because he had no interest in building RF weapons.
@@catc8927 Yep... and AFAIK the whole microwave "non-lethal" weapon system got shelved because it was causing symptoms that are eerily similar to what is described here, deeming the weapon rather unsuitable for non-lethal crowd dispersion as far as the design requirements went (which were to cause no permanent or long-term harm to targets)...
I’m very glad that you are doing better and I’m very happy to hear your voice again 🙂 funnily enough, our dear cbc radio decided to play that “Havana sound” for the rest of us today and I thought, “is this a good idea?”
Yep the photo methodology was the first thing that jumped out at me when watching the 60 minutes feature
I don't think we know all the details there though. They could've said to her "we know exactly who was there that day, it was Albert Averyanov, son of Russian Spy Andrei. Tall with blonde hair, just like you said. Can you corroborate by looking at his photo?"
@punksnickets5146 Just an odd thing not to mention given the rigor that they presented w the rest of the evidence & 30 page report. But this is just 1 weak piece of evidence in an otherwise thicc argument
Yes , they are with micro-sonic weaponry. We've got something to answer it...
Russia has long known that microwave energy can cause things like memory loss, dizziness, depression, and cardiac stress. The Soviets focused a lot on studying the impacts of radar energy on their radar operators, in part because they were big into radar at the time. You can find lots of soviet papers; 1974 era, that go over the symptoms and they align very closely to what Havana syndrome sufferers report.
Those papers include large studies that show milliwatts/cm of exposure can cause health problems; modern review by Americans are pretty dismissive of those papers though.
The Soviets also pointed directed high energy at the US embassy in Moscow for decades, and the USA knew about it. It's well known, so it's not a novel claim, however I don't think the USA ever studied the subtle health impacts of it all that much, however there was a non-peer reviewed study that concluded it wasn't increasing morbidity rates.
The RF radiation used by the Soviets was I believe intended for spying, where they would hide transmitters in the building, and then when they wanted to spy, they would flood the building with high energy, and listen for a weak signal from the secret spy device. They needed to use high energy to get the small spy device to work, but this also meant the spy device was only enabled at specific times -- not all the time. It made it harder to detect as a result and track and trace the spy devices down.
I'd imagine **if** Havana syndrome is a thing caused by directed energy, it was unintentional; my guess is it was caused by the Cubans spying on Americans using Soviet era spy tech. It doesn't need to to microwave energy specifically I suppose either.
The USA started to look into the health impact of RF radiation much later on than the soviets, and due to PETA, they have limited insights into animal/human effects. The USA was mainly focused on thermal nuclear radiation during the cold war era, and not on high energy radiation from RF. RF wasn't/isn't considered lethal enough to worry about I guess.
The USA denies that Havana syndrome even exists, and will say they have no proof it's a directed energy weapon, and that's plausible too. I don't know.
However, I am a firm believer that long term exposure to high amounts of radio energy is dangerous -- cancer and depression at the very least. So I think the claims are plausible, even if not proven.
Usa knows, it was also studying such, was coined frey effect. Maybe they also have such weapon and are pretending to be oblivious.
No one trully knows what a gov the size of usa knows.
the largest and most powerful microwave weapon developed in the world is of american design and the thing's only effective role it has is clearing crowds at a distance by making them feel uncomfortable, microwaves can't harm us 😮💨
Excellent
Frey effect - its on wikipedia.
brilliant overview, thank you! I don't know if you are familiar with the socalled "Russian woodpecker" or other such MASSIVE arrays the soviets built as an ICBM early-warning system (it didnt' work very well for that though because they were on the opposite side of the planet from the USA and so had to bounce the beam off the atmosphere over the north pole which is like, the biggest scattering field on the planet).. the operators said that if you stood in front of these arrays you could FEEL it in your body, and I do not doubt it; but I certainly don't know enough to have an opinion on what that could mean medically
Thanks Vlad! I hope this stirs up "more". I am unsure what the "more " will be but hopefully data will bring answers.
Vlad, excellent review of the material. As a PhD engineer/researcher you did a viable review of the general possibilities of US attacks. The technical credibility is viable and warrants more investigation. The other investigation should be was there harm to those utilizing these weaponized technologies. Did they suffer harm?
I worked as a radio engineer in college as a radio/audio engineer. My good friend is a retired psychiatric neurologist and he comes to the same conclusions as we discussed this article.
Vlad, I admire your thorough thinking. In this instance, I think I'm an expert of sorts, PhD biomedical engineering, specifically electrical effects of EM waves on tissues, etc. At this point, there is 0 evidence that "Pulsed MW" will produce effects other than heating tissue, provided enough power is delivered to said tissue. End of argument. Anyone telling you different is making unsupported claims.
Sound waves, microwaves... Was any physicist involved in the investigation?
There's definitely something here that needs investigating and I know you had to edit what you reported on the investigation but to be honest I'd be surprised it's there weren't Russian operatives spying on US embassies around the world, I'm sure it you tried to find out if Russian officials at their embassies recognised photos of US CIA operatives or British MI6 personnel you'd get the same results. I also would like to have a breakdown of the levels of the officials targeted because they didn't seem very high level ones, which makes me question how effective this would be, if it was actually happening.
I would also say that I would severely doubt that with all these staff having what I can only assume are similar symptoms (although you didn't really show that many cases and the two you did were quite different) that the US government would have noticed this as well, looked into it, and had methods of preventing this kind of attack on their personnel, which wouldn't be made public for obvious reasons of national security and not just to make the diplomatic service less attractive to young graduates looking for jobs.
And to be clear I fully support Ukraine, think that Putin is a war criminal, and hope that the West steps up to the plate to help Ukraine push Russian forces back to their own borders, I need more than this to be convinced that the Russians have this superweapon that can do this, I there might be many causes here caused by many different things and as you say the evidence is quite circumstantial and even the identification of a suspect was just not done in a very scientific way, and even if it was I'd need more than two cases with the same Russian operative to even think this was plausible as they probably do have people who go around the world carrying out the Kremlin's orders and spying on people.
Thanks, Vlad,for the lesson in critical analysis. I watched this excellent piece of journalism, also the previous reports since it was first reported. There are so many different layers. (1)The victims seeking an explanation and compensation .(2) The government's public response. ( "Can neither confirm or deny" is taken as a confirmation these days)(3) Is the technology developmentally feasible and deployable ? (4) If they have it, do we ( or a defense against it)?
These are issues the US government would rather not deal with publicly. The answers lie in the shadow war being waged between the east and west, where there seems to be lines and rules.Eliminating each others government employees crosses the line and can lead to serious escalation."Neutralizing"(assassination) of Russian dissidents, defectors, unmasked spies, and even captured agents(eg.Vadim Krasikov and the kid driving the mustang in the 60 Minutes opening) doesn't seem to cross the informal line ,just the legal one.But using nonlethal methods to neutralize foreign service and counterintelligence officers may be testing the line( akin to jamming airliner GPS in eastern Europe and Scandinavia). What will the West's response be?Publicly or "in the shadows"? Another hybrid battlefront?
Just some thoughts, questions and theories.🤔🤔🤔
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Anders Buck Nielsen talks a lot about underground and hybrid wars. He is not leaving any technology out.
@@charisma-hornum-friesHi Charisma, Anders is one of my favorites( along with Jake Broe, Preston Steward,Ryan McBeth, William Spaniel. and Jonathan Fink at Silicon Curtain) All different but very knowledgeable.
Nice analysis and I did like your knowledge about the validity of witness-statements.
Greetings from The Netherlands ;)
I belive the mode of attack is directed microwave energy. The symptoms point strongly in that direction. I'm far less sanguine about ultrasonic technology.
There is a tiny Elephant in the room.
The idea of the Man in the black Sedan, or the lone walker, who seems to have the freedom to walk about
the US base with impunity.
So what is his his weapon and how is he using it? It must be Hand held, very portable, easy to conceal and
powerful enough to pass through walls. Directed energy doesn't like walls.
Not to say that it could not be achieved somehow, but a guy wearing a waistcoat made from lithium ion cells
would stand out in a crowd to say the least. So basically he would look like Dan Aykroyd in Ghost Busters
wielding that plasma gun.?
I would be thinking more along the lines of an airborne nerve agent. Perhaps something sprayed into the
building's air con system.
This video is among the most compelling pieces of evidence that more people should subscribe to VV chat.
Thank you so much, Vlad!
My pleasure.
Vlad, according to Merriam WebsterH "Today, colleague is used more often in professional contexts, sometimes referring to people who work in the same field but not for the same institution" it's cool to say colleagues.
I used to make my own soya milk a long time ago. I involved boiling the beans and then pressing them in a wine press, How do you make hemp milk? Sounds interesting!
Thank you for sharing your perspective, Vlad.
Hey, Vlad! I had a thought about something you said in a video the other day: You were talking about post-truth in politics, and mentioned that the Iraq war was where we first see it on such scale in the West. From a UK perspective I wouldn’t contest that point, but from an American perspective, I’ve seen a lot of it in my extensive study of the US involvement in the Vietnam war, especially post-Tet Offensive.
How much do you know abt the topic and how would you compare it to our 21st century iteration of post-truth in politics?
Thanks so much!!! You’re the bomb, Vlad!
Der Spiegel has 'cred' with me!
keep in mind that the spiegel lost a lot of his former reputation and is nearly to be something like the bild, this has something in common with the internet and press problem, it is much harder to earn money with a printed journal as it was 20 years ago. with a decreasing income you cannot expect a improved quality, up from a certain point money dictates the journalism and if you know the spiegel about 50 years you can directly see the impact of this dilemma.
Microwaves go through GLASS extremely easily. The US Embassy in Havana has a wall facing the street which is almost completely glass. Microwave don't travel through solid walls that well. The Higher the Radio Frequency the less penetrative the energy. Water (Rain) is a massive problem with Radar and Microwave Systems. Also the Energy required to create these effects would need a massive Transmitter. Radar used on Airfields have high energy Pulses of approx half a Mega Watt, but averages only a few hundreds of Watts. I worked on Radar Systems for the Military and I would suggest a certain amount of Caution. Long Range Radar from the 1970 had enormous Antenna Systems and Power Supplies the size of a Block of Flats.
How did the birds feel about it? I expect they didnt mind.
I'm pretty sure Russia doesn't just go after embassy staff, but people being recruited into security organizations too.
Great exposition even if only about the role of media in presenting the case for conversation about truth.❤
I'm glad you like tea too 😊
One would assume that the CIA are uncomfortable about discussing targeted microwave radiation weapons because THEY have also employed the technology.
When and where? Do you have proof?
Oh boy, this is going to have consequences... Russia, you are done.
Thank you. From now on I will be more careful online too.
I have a few things to add:
1)There are similar weapon(s) in existance for a different purpose - dubbed V2S (Voice-to-skull) tech. It apparently did not have these permanent harmful effects, but was capable of placing a soundtrack (like voice) into human inner ear from a distance via carefully tuned, modulated and directed microwaves.
2)Once i thought i'm an experiment subject of such a weapon, but that's a long story. I still don't know what it was (though at one moment i thought to find the radiation source), but most likely i was drugged (my food or/and drink were spiked with some psychodelic). In my case it was hallucinations, very realistic, strong and persistant. And nearly all in audio range, though i probably saw some stuff too, hard to remember. Besides the voices, the rest of simptoms were very close to those described by the victims interviewed.
3)Also, if a phone's battery really suddenly inflated as claimed at the time of attack, it's really very likely a powerful beam of microwaves what did it. It's a short-circuit due to internal overheating - if it was just the faulty battery, user would have noticed a considerable loss of capacity days before the incident, probably followed by a ridiculously long charging time just before it died. I had it happen multiple times myself, know the drill. It's just physics, which Russia have a long history of weaponising. If this is really the case, a phrase "tinfoil hat" will have different connotations soon (though it would rather need to be a closed helmet or suit for max effect).
Probably pulsed because the source cannot develop the necessary intensity on a continuous basis. What I can't understand is that any emission capable of doing physical damage, sound or electromagnetic, should be detectable by instruments. This is an obvious thing to do, and should be straightforward, so has it been done ? Why is this all about the effects and not the source ?
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@@VladVexlerChat it wasnt just american personel, i believe canadian personel at the canadian embassy also had havana syndrone.
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This was a fantastic episode, Vlad. Information, comedy, thoughtfulness. You had me at homemade hemp milk
and also - pen matching couch, check
I've had a similar experiance being to close to a big radio antenna when it transmitted. Felt dizzy and nauseous for a few minutes. It should'nt be so difficult to transmitt powerful radiowaves in a beam towards someone. Though I guess the energy decreases with the distance to the target. Maybe it's time for a general permission for the police to search vans?
This situation Havana syndrome reminds me of illness I've had due to intolerance to wireless frequencies and low frequency noise. I can see it's not the same, but I'll bet there is a significant amount of trauma ongoing with these patients, and that it feels a lot like torture from an unknown source. People like to discredit EMF intolerance, but it's very real
People discredit EMF intolerance because of a multitude of examples that the presentation of the syndrome is linked with the experiencer's perception of the presence of EM radiation rather than the actual verifiable presence of such. This is typical of a syndrome that is psychosomatic.
EMF intolerance is not real. That’s why the attackers seem to have used a (metric) shit-ton of directed energy here.
@@geraldh.8047 well, you're wrong.
@@DBZHGWgamer those discreditors were not experiencers. I assure you it's real.
@@DBZHGWgamer you can't make a simple EMF experiment to disprove anything. It's not simple.
This is a case for House, M.D.😁
In which direction does a mirror (=Spiegel) reflect?
A Spiegel/mirror does not "swap" "left" and "right" or "up" and "down" in this sense - because each part of the body is on the corresponding side of the mirror, with one difference: the reflection looks in the opposite direction.
Thank you, Vlad, for your analysis. I will never understand the urge to destroy other human beings or humankind itself. I wish those working on it would have had a better childhood and a life full of love instead of hate. All the best to you and for your health 🤗
Thank you
Good, measured stuff, Mr V. Much appreciated.
These are some good points about "How is the average person supposed to grapple with news like this?", since we're all in positions where we just have to trust experts and institutions for reliable information...how do be be sure it _is_ in fact reliable? And how could we tell? And if we know we can't tell, then how do we react to that?
So happy to see you out of bed, Vlad!