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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2023
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Tennis balls are overly complicated and poorly labeled so you're probably using the WRONG ones!
That's why I did a blind test making two high level players try all the most popular brands.
Find out which ones are worth buying and which are only fit to be chew toys!
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your forehand technique is horrible
Their new pickleball balls are fantastic, less brittle than others, but play identical.
This was just an ad. Everyone unsubscribe
This felt like one long commercial for diadem. Conflict of interest if you are sponsored by Diadem. Appreciated the blind tests but think a more scientific approach by a neutral third party would give us objective data.
We're just giving you our perspective!
That’s the way advertising works. Ask Consumer Reports to test tennis balls if you are skeptical.
No, I think he got a few friends to do a test . He’s not forcing us to buy the ball. However, because @essentialtennis is a trusted educational resource for me, I’m actually going to demo their racquets now that I’ve discovered them. I’m not worried about the balls at the moment. It’s called awareness and not necessarily advertising .
@@EssentialTennis Well, the video comes accross more as a product placement, especsially given the sponsored(?) section in the interview before the blind test. Love the concept of the video and informative but it still feels like what was mentioned in the original post here
Yep, I dont quite trust the results also, there were for sure better ways than "dont look at the brand" to conduct a blind test. Never tried Diadem balls though, live in Canada and never saw that brand locally.
Wilson US Open extra duty balls are my favorite. The Costco Penn balls are the worst.
In what way?
Surprising that the blind test favoured the sponsor. ;) I’ll give them a shot and see if this was genuinely a fair test or just a long Diadem commercial.
Let us know what you think! We had no effect on the blind test!
Yeah sure. “Surprising” and not biased at all. This is all a joke
I picked up a couple of sleeves and they are on par with US Open extra duty. the 6 others I played doubles with/against agreed - this was indeed a fair comparison. I had to buy them at the local racquet shop, as a Canadian they would have been more expensive with exchange and shipping from Diadem direct.
@@jackeddemon What would make you so upset by a little video? You work for corporate at Penn or Costco?
@@OneAdam12Adam typical internet warrior comment
that was so valuable. Thank you very much!
Great video as always! I learned a lot!
Every part of the video was beyond helpful. Thanks for always aiming to give us the best content!
Glad you enjoyed it, that's our goal every-time is to try and provide the best content as possible!
What an interesting topic! Really pertinent and applicable to the rec tennis experience, too. I never - ever - gave any thought to what kind of ball I purchased before. Now...THAT ALL HAS CHANGED. Thank you very much for this one, ian (et al.).
Good thing they didn't hate the Diadem balls, that would have been awkward... :PP
Ya.....it definitely would have 😆
in all honesty Diadem Premier Extra Duty is the top 3 tennis balls for match play for me. And whats nice is that is is nowhere near the most expensive.
I’ve heard it’s the US Open ball rebranded.
Specially with the Diadem ball in the background encased 😂
My son and I had played with all those balls and here in the video they are right on point. I never used the Diadem but my son just played a tournament with them for first time and truly enjoyed playing with them.
Hey, fun and informative video.
My son just played a L6 18and under USTA tournament and they used Diadem balls and he liked the balls very much. We regularly play with Dunlop AO, Wilson Triniti pro, Babolat Gold ( softer ) and my personal preference Slazenger ( very fast ) and my boy liked this Diadem a lot.
Great to hear he likes them!
Extra duties fluff MORE because they have more felt, but they last longer especially with big hitters on hard courts. They have a higher coefficient of drag due to this fluff and thus respond to spin more.
Great stuff, David!
This was a really fun video! Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
The Penn Tour ball is good, but I think a bit less of a ball relative to the Dunlop ATP, which was included in your test. They are comparable, but the Dunlop lasts longer and has a slightly heavier feel.
Another great video.
Agree with the appreciation for extra duty.
I love US Opens for a set but they seem to die. Whereas the Dunlop ATP start out a little softer, but maintain that level longer. I can see why for a hit they liked the US Open better than the Dunlop ATP. The Dunlop ATP also seems to be heavier yet plushier to hit. Whereas, US Opens have a crisp feel from the start.
it drives me crazy that most people grab the Penn Championship Balls. They are just inferior. Penn makes two lines of balls 10 times better than those--Pro Marathon and Penn Tour. Penn Tour a little plushier whereas the Marathons are a little livelier. But both are great for matches and great for training--can get a few good hitting sessions out of them.
I'll say that I am guilty of buying Penn Championship XD for practice when I could get a can for less than $2.50. Now that I getting back in form I am considering on going with Pro Marathons or maybe Dunlop ATP or AO.
Well done Ian!
Glad you enjoyed
Great original video Ian! Although for me the type of tennis balls is probably the least of my tennis issues! 😂
As with most of us, but at least it's an option for you to look at in the future!
Ha ha ha!! That's what I always say about racket & string choices. That said, once you notice you've got a crappy ball, it''s really gonna bug you and probably take your mind of these more important issues. Just a thought...
Almost everyone I know uses pro penn extra or regular duty; the regular penn just don’t hold up after a set. I tried Diadem extra duty and they are very good! They stayed firm with good felt even after several sets!
Glad you enjoyed them!
You it's by far the most popular ball around me too.
Sweet info! Do you have access to clay? This would be interesting to see rankings in that format. Thanks
Not direct access, but would be something worth testing!
Thanks!
Where was the courts location you guys tested at..want to stop by and play there..!
Good followup videos would be duration and storage. Duration: How well do they holdup through three sets. Storage: Do they still play well after sitting in a box for X months. (If you live up north and don't play as much in the winter, how will they play in March? My indoor winter contract provides fresh balls every week)
Yup, totally agree. Hopefully we can do a follow up in the future.
Lol balls
Duty.
Ballz all day.
What would you recommend for ball machine? Extra duty felt like Diadem or Wilson? I love Babolat regular duty for clay followed by Wilson US open then Tecnifibre (all clay regular duty).
I highly recommend the new Diadem pressurless balls. It's what I've had in my teaching basket and ball machine for several months and they bounce just the same as when I started with them. They don't play exactly like a regular ball, but for training and practice reps they're more than good enough and it saves tons of money in the long run.
very good topic!!
Glad you enjoyed!
I really want to try the diadem extra duty premier balls. I am curious why didnt you test the US Open Wilson Extra duty but instead tested the Wilson championship extra duty?
Fantastic content.
I absolutely love the Extra Duty Diadems. They pair up with Wilson trinities in my book. US opens are good but only a few hits and go dead really quick.
Thanks ET as always for the superb video.
Cheers!
M
Glad you enjoyed it, Mundi!
Wilson Triniti are excellent and last for ages and ages because they don't really lose any pressure so are good value.
Totally agreed!@@huzcer
Yea im reccomending trinity balls to everone, they dont work on clay tho, way to high bouce xD
@@Invesre Triniti are hardcourt balls really.
Fun video! Question, any feedback on playing somewhere 4-5000 ft above sea level and outside on a hard court. Extra duty or high altitude balls?
I'd definitely recommend high altitude balls up that high. Regular balls fly too far!
really loved your comparing videos keep making it
I just look for extra duty first then consider price next. Thanks for this video
This is an infomercial for diadem... but still decently informative.
Why not compare Pro Penns - one of the more popular "high end" balls?
I have a case of Dunlop ATP. Like them a lot.
Follow up discussion: what are some good options for disposal/upcycling of the dead balls? Has to be a better option than just throwing them in the trash.
Lots of options online. I have sent them to a company that processes them into other products, including I think, playground surfaces. Need to have at least 100 balls to send in.
So many options, there's donate to an animal shelter, or senior center (they use them to slide their walkers), or grade schools (they use them to slide their chairs).
Nice video! Would be interested to know how Technifiber X-One balls compare. They are rated as one of the top balls but less mainstream in the US. For pressureless balls, my personal favorite is Trenton micro X. A second video on pressureless balls comparison would be fun 😊
Made the switch to technifibre about a year ago and won’t go back, they are the best feeling ball on the market imo, bounces and moves thru the air really well but don’t feel too heavy on the strings
I'd love to try some!
awesome content! This was very helpful.
Great to hear it was helpful, thanks for watching!
what are the best balls for coaching, so keep them bouncy for longest time ? I see some pros using Trinity or Trinity Pro which comes even whiteout pressure cans. They bounce OK, but sound weird. I think same brand/model balls also differ from batch to batch. The only thing is true that Penn lasts 90min after opening.
I am curious, how long do they last on the clay and other surfaces.
Interesting video but I think you should do a part 2 also. I'm a tennis coach and 5.0 player from Europe and we have so much more choices of brands to play with
Please do a test with
Technifibre Xone, babolat clay and normal, wilson roland Garros and us open, Head Tour xt, Dunlop ATP and Australian open, slazenger Wimbledon, Robin Soldering, Tretorn... For beginners and tennis coaching all of these choices are good, some of them might last longer
Did you check Tennis Nerd balls review lately? He uses European balls, not all you mention, but many.
I played a clay league in Panama with the Penn Championship heavy duty😢😢😢. I told them I wouldn't play again that league unless they use proper clay balls. You can definitely use regular duty in hard courts, they just won't last long, but they feel better than the Penn Championship HD. Everything does actually ...except the Prince, those things are rocks!!
Hopefully we'll do a Part 2! Great ideas.
Robin Soderling has his own line of tennis balls? That's cool!
Yeah I've used them but they are not long lasting
Did I see the Penn Championship Extra Duty in the final lineup? Don't recall how that performed in the blind test.
Yup, you can see it at 16:31. Their hitting thoughts didn't make the cut, we had to remove some or the video would have been an hour long.
@@EssentialTennisThanks! Looks like you have a secret Walmart Rep in your crew. They slyly placed the Athletico brand balls right behind the 2 overall Winners in the final shot 😂
Everybody uses these in my area because they’re at Costco for cheap. Personally, I’m not a fan of them.
@@footfunk510was thinking of picking up a case, but what don’t you like about them?
@@ocbosco_Not to steal the question but two things. One seems to be getting an occasional can (or more) that has dead balls in it. The other is the durability. They are not up there with the better balls. In hard play, they are done after a set or so. They are never worthy to be taken out for a second outing, after a hard first.
What about indoor courts? Does that change the choice in ball?
What about high altitude balls?
Loved hearing competitive players review balls. I must have missed something. Why were the wilson us open extra duty balls not in the video? I saw Mark's comments about them being on par with the diadem xd but slightly more expensive. Wilson is currently selling xd and regular for $99.99 direct, so actually cheaper right now. The upside is I was able to take advantage of the sale cuz of this video. Thanks guys, love the group input.
Only reason is they weren't readily available. We obviously couldn't get every ball at the same time, this is what was handy/popular in the area.
Pro Penn Extra duty is my go to ball. Slightly more expensive but they last longer and play better in my experience. I’d never heard of Diadem until watching this video. I’ll have to check them out.
Pro penn are good but the Penn Tour dont last that long. I also did not see the test of Babolat balls which i really like and they don't go dead.
I was pretty confident at the beginning that this was going to turn into a diadem ad, but if I’m being honest, their balls really are very nice. Not my first choice (technifibre is my favorite and what I buy), but the diadems are a close second and I prefer them to US Opens, Pro Penns, and Bab Golds
Glad you enjoy their balls! I've never had the chance to hit with Technifibre balls, I'll have to keep an eye out for them.
What would their lineup for playing on clay or har-tru.
Diadem Premier Extra Duty is a good ball. Made in the same factory that makes the Wilson US Open and Robin Soderling balls in Thailand.
What ball would you recommend for use when playing on "Har-Tru" courts?
Regular duty, especially if the court is pretty soft and wet. Really hard/dusty har-tru can work fine with extra duty.
Next question for the purchase decison would be the durabilty between the premier extra duties. 😊
Wow this is exactly what I needed. Thanks!
I thought I was the only one brave brought to wear the pink ASICS and then I see them in every single tennis video in the last 3 months lol
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Worst main stream ball are Penn Championship bought at Costco. If ordered directly from a distributor, Penn Championship are okay. Absolute best are Tecnifibre X-One. In addition to playing superbly, they last more than any other ball. Great for match play, for at least 6 sets on hard court, and then tossing into the teaching ball bin where they will give students a consistent bounce and not go flat for at least a month. Tecnifibre X-One may be expensive, but you get more from them than any other ball. Wilson U.S. Open Extra Duty (black label) is the next best, but they last one set, maybe, on a hard court. Outstanding video. This is so helpful for consumers.
Helpful video bit 20” for results that could have been summarized in a few minutes?
If we made it 5 minutes somebody would complain it wasn't detailed enough. What are you gonna do.
What balls should be used on indoor courts, regular duty or extra duty?
Regular
What about high altitude vs not? Is it true that the difference is size? In Colorado, non-high altitude seem to bounce better in temperatures under 50 degrees.
Yes, altitude definitely plays a faster based on how thin the air is and how far the ball will fly and spin.
I really wish you had included the Wilson Triniti in this test/review 😔
Thanks for the reminder. There isn’t much difference in cost, and both cases have 72 balls. Triniti is the most revolutionary (no pun intended) ball I’ve found, but I think it is under-marketed.
Liked the Pro Penns on clay, others cheap tiers deteriorated so much you had one medium pressure ball and two good balls in same can. The seams started being an issue with cheap ones. Thailand Artengo and Dunlop are almost all that is available. Quality and consistency are pretty good, not great though.
Wilson Triniti Pro for me, mainly for durability. Don't need to worry about ball pressure. Play until the ball wears off.
US Open extra duty balls are the only way to go. Use them on clay even here in the Netherlands.
Not to be rude because I love this channel, but this is the best video I think you've put out in a long time.
Glad you enjoyed it Adam! Thanks for watching!
In Europe, Diadem only sells All Court balls : there are no regular/extra duty balls available so I suppose the All Court are just regular...
What an eye-opener! Very interesting test. Hadnt considered Diadem but will look online for price comparisons (my club uses Dunlop APTs which stay bouncy longer than Slazenger extra duty). Most players I think stick to whatever their club uses in their socials? I too like Wikspn Triniti - last forever (including in a ball machine) though i tend towards Wilson Trainer balls for drills using the machine. Very useful video! Thanks!
Glad the comparison was helpful! Definitely check Diadem prices, they're super competitive. They also have a new pressureless ball that's fantastic for ball machines, I just put them in mine.
@@EssentialTennis will do, thanks for the heads up!
Just switched to Technifibre X-1 balls. Nice, long lasting, but a tad expensive
Scott needs to record Mark yelling "I'm the ball master!" onto one of those sound effect buttons and press it every time Mark hits an unforced error in an RT match.
Once I'm done with my Australian Open balls, I'm gonna try the diadem extra duty. Problem is there isn't much of a price difference.
Hope you like them! Be sure to use the discount code ET15.
Wonder why they didn't get the Wilson US Open XD in the video. Would have been really hard competition on the Diadems I guess.
You should redo your playtest on a clay court with the regular duty. It doesn't make sense to be playing on a hard court with them. How do you think the rankings would be on clay?
It’s funny how Mark is so sure on duty type when he hits first few shots on fresh ball!! RD vs XD will almost make no difference on fresh ball as all the felt is still even and tight. The difference becomes apparent when the balls experience wear, RD balls have slightly lower felt density so they will actually fuzz up more and become slower and less predictable on hard courts vs XD which has high density felt that stays tight and even longer for consistent and faster bounce!!!
On Clay low felt density reduces moisture and Clay absorption for more predictable playability, but the clay court surface doesn’t abuse the felt so it doesn’t fuzz up. Hence, on first few hits, RD and XD balls should be identical, tennis rules and quality control calls for all tennis balls to be same weight and shape when fresh!!!
Now that’s when quality comes in, pro tournaments balls have much better quality control because they are made to be used in pro tournaments, so when fresh they will be precise and predictable. Ultimately, if using high quality ball, personal preference is the ultimate decider, Dunlop has a slightly different rubber core than Penn, and Wilson is unique as well. Babolat and Technifibre are similar to each other, Head and Prince are similar to Penn, I think US Open are similar to Diadem Premier.
I still wanna try Yonex, RS, and some other smaller Euro brands.
I did a review on my Facebook page and so far US Open XD won, but I did not include Diadem.
Next I will try to put US Open against Diadem, Technifibre, Head Tour, Yonex, and many few others
Exactly! Mark has f'ing idea what he's talking about. He thinks ED means higher quality. He should've watched the first part of the video.
In fairness.....I think he got 7 out of 8 right. Lucky??
My preference is Penn propenn balls. They hit well, last long.
I have heard from people that have used both that the tennis balls they use in pro tournaments are harder than the retail ones. Can anyone confirm?
This is a commercial. Maybe the more expensive balls hold up a little longer, but worth the extra cost?
Penn Titanium balls were excellent. Don't know where they disappeared. The titanium powder in the rubber helps keep the pressure longer. helps us recreational players to avoid spending money every week on a few cans of balls.
Very intersting!
Keep up the great work on your videos!
@@EssentialTennis thanks so much!
Excellent video! If only we can blind test rackets and strings...
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@@EssentialTennis awesome! Can you also do one on string gauge?
i play mostly the dunlop atp. the wilson us open is good too but has less longevity in my oppinion. i never played the diadem. balls i really hate but see often is the head championship. i mainly play clay
This was cool, but they only hit briefly. The real testament for balls is over the course of a match.
PS I prefer Wilson Extra Duty and Pro Penn. I have a strick no regular Penn policy 😁. Balls matter big time, great content. I will consider getting the Dunlop ATP and Diadem extra duty next time.
Agree, the long term test is important. We'll do that in the future!
I've only played with Diadem once. I know of only one pro shop that carries them. They seemed to have fewer supply problems during COVID, and that's when I even heard of them. If money was no object, I'd get Wilson Triniti. Super high quality. But for my money, Penn Extra is the best bang for my buck.
Wondering where the Slazenger balls went to? Did they stop making those balls as I really liked them? No one seems to carry them anymore.
You can still buy them in the UK. I'm in Poland at the moment and they are also available here.
Why are you ranking the Wilson extra duty without trying it them? Sorry if I missed it, I tried those and those are the best quality one and last longer than other brands (on my experience)
Well I use extra duty regular Penn when I play because after one match they are all worn out, make me feel good about myself. :D Plus - TBH we always open a fresh can of balls when we play matches, it's so much cheaper to just use regular duty (edit - not regular duty - extra duty but regular Penn, not Pro Penn). In my local club, they only use Pro Penn, which is noticeably more durable, but again, if we are playing a match, fresh cans, so meh.
Some of us don't live in developed countries so cant just "go online to order" lol.
Box of penn at Costco is such a great deal. Dunlop balls are too hard, US open is the best but $$$
Yup, I bought balls at Costco for years, especially when traveling.
If you're a dog looking for something to chew on. 😂 They are the by far the least consistent ball I have used. The only thing consistent about them is how inconsistent they are.
I can get 9+ sets out of a can of Dunlop AO, and they still play better that last set than any Penn does fresh out of the can. THAT'S value.
Never had an issue with extra duty Penn for hard court.
Glad you found something that works for you!
Diadem balls are made in the same factory in Thailand as Wilson, so I hear. They are good balls.
It's also important how well they play and how inflated they are after a couple sets.
Also how the play cold vs. hot weather, dry vs. humid, etc.
Why does his Diadem 1 ball have at least one visible rubber pimple on the seam? I've recently noticed this on low price Penn balls as well. Also, I've seen two occurrences of 1 dead Penn ball out of the three in brand new cans this year. What is happening to quality control over in Asia?
It’s unpredictable I guess!
Even the higher-end Penns have these "pimples". All Penns have a thicker rubber seal than almost any other brand. I think it's one of the reasons I find them to be so inconsistent. Head may make good rackets, but they should get out of the ball biz for good...
No question Diadem is the best ball, including the pressureless balls. Best bounce, feel, longest lasting and most consistent from can to can and case to case. One other thing that Diadem is best at is temperature extremes. Almost all balls get stiff in cold weather and lose their bounce below about 50 degrees F or so. Diadem does not lose bounce noticiably down to 40 - 30 degrees F.
I heard that most tennis ball in the market are produced either in Thailand or China. Any chance thay Diadem would sell them in asia? Can also start the market on where they are produced also (and maybe a bit cheaper 😂).
Something to look into!
80% or more of players in Atlanta playing with Penn Extra Duty, so there's not too much to think about, it works for all of us. Occasionally Dunlop and Wilson equivalent balls show up, and Dunlop closer to Penn than Wilsons. With Wilsons the fluff gets more flat and the balls fly more 20 minutes in, I'm not a fan. I did a practice test with 4 balls, 2 Penns and 2 Wilsons and they wore the same but it was as I said and didn't like the Wilsons an hour into practice compared to Penns. Agree with comments below about having the sponsor in on the testing. And btw this is definitely not overly complicated and nobody is using the wrong ones lol
Haha you said Duty…. A regular duty and extra duty. Nothing like some bathroom humor.
😆
The tennis industry has done a poor job fitting players. How much of an impact would string type/tension, racquet, and player ability impact tennis ball suitability?
My preference ( I play 2-3 times per week)...
1. Diadem premier extra duty
2. ProPenn extra duty
3. nothing else comes close
Glad you're enjoying the Diadems!
Should have thrown in some Triniti and Triniti Pro, the latter are supposedly much improved.
Interesting vid. The guys mentioned weight, dark-shirt man preferring a heavier ball. It would be interesting to know if heavy = preferable.
Ya, I'd be curious to see a large survey on that as well.
For me it just helps with feeling the ball "pocketing". For those of us that genrate a lot of power typically play w a higher string tension for the control. Some of the lighter balls Dunlop (Grand Prix), Wilson (regular) do not even move my strings and my sense of feeling the ball can diminish after a set or two. I play w a 16 poly low elasticity at 63lbs. And no Ive never had elbow problems. Lol.
The main problem with most of the balls is the endurance. I don't want to play with the ATP official balls if they last seven games. It is not viable and it is not ecologic friendly. So far the best compromise I found are the ARTENGO CONFORT PRO.
Glad you've found something that works for you. Longevity definitely matters with Amateur players.
Personally, I like Dunlop Grand Prix but the home team picks the balls. I think it's in your interest to play with a wide variety of them because you're going to play a lot of matches with crappy balls.
Diadem are good for a set or two, after that....shot. Wilson USO the best. Pro Penn is a good bal, but they don't have good consistency at the factory. One can be great, the next has a , what we call, worm in one.
Dunlop Fort Élite, Dunlop Fort All-Court, Made in Philippines are the best balls!
lol the old cat is not a 4.5. He’s a 3.0 max 😂
Wilson triniti pressureless are Great balls for ball machine! They last forever with uniform response. Not so great for game play.
I definitely agree. They were my ball machine/coaching ball until they ran out during the pandemic and I switched to Diadem.
I like them for overall play. Did you try the Pro ones?
I want to try the new ones. I got a great deal from Wilson several years ago on a case of the original ones (stamped "club" on them.Maybe seconds?). It's about time to get some more but the price has gone way up. I have a collection of old balls in a pneumatic ball restorer that I may use up first. @@rsmith02
how about babalot gold?
No dunlop, no yonex? Im sure theres tons of other brands but i have definitely played with those just as much as the wilson
I've honestly never seen Yonex balls. Don't think they're used much?
I've only used them at a clay court tournament
The second ones they "tested" were dunlop