Drivers That Will Continue To Dominate in 2024
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- Опубліковано 4 лис 2023
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In this video we looking at two of the best golf drivers of 2023 and seeing if they carry on into 2024. Many of the big brands will be launching new models in January & February like TaylorMade Callaway Cobra too name a few. The ever popular Ping G430 driver & Titleist TSR drivers carry on for another year. I put them both head to head in this video.
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As much as I like checking out the new equipment, I think a two-year cycle is much more sensible.
Two year cycles are perfect: Year A for game improvement and Year B for tour level gear
I'm on a 3 year cycle for my drivers. And I'm a big fan of Cobra drivers. Very underrated.
Yes totally agree
Just bought the Aerojet, love it! Willbe my driver for least 2024!
What’re your thoughts on the new cobra driver?
I have the Ping G430 Max 12° in the bag, not changing anytime soon! Didn't think the G400 would get kicked out of the bag, the forgiveness and launch was better with the G430.
I've got the 430 LST in the bag. I had the TSR3 in the bag earlier and really enjoyed it. I switched to the 430 for a bit more forgiveness. My bag is mostly Ping but I've also got some Titleist as well. Those are my two favorite brands.
I bought a Cobra Radspeed XB new and have played it two seasons. Plan on patiently waiting for the Aerojet to get discounted heavily and may get one. Tested it recently and the efficiency and stability was amazing.
12 month cycles are ridiculous, just branding really and seems more marketing than anything else. Ping/Titleist/Mizuno have it right -- about a two year cycle and as good as anything else out there, with no gimmicks and flashy branding.
How do Titleist& Co “have it right” when TM & Callaway are the #1 in driver sales every year? Unless one of those 2-year cycle brands can generate equivalent sales volume, I’d say the 1-year cycle brands ‘have it right’.
Mind you I typically change drivers every 3-4 years and currently play a TSR3 which I do not foresee changing anytime in next 2 years. This however is not about you or me and our respective buying habits, it’s about oem marketing and profitability.
Ultimately this is a business. For the retailers the 1-year cycle can be difficult if they do not manage their stocking orders well, getting stuck with “outdated” product every 10-12 months they then need to discount. That said, no retailer would ever consider giving up either TM or Callaway lines due to the sheer sales volumes nearly year round. You’ll find many retailers carry very low stocking numbers of the 2-year cycle brands in the 2nd year due to it being a relatively stale product in a very fluid market sector. From an oem perspective the retooling and marketing costs of 1-year lifecycle is much greater but clearly it translates to sales volume thus it’s not going to change until their sales volume and marketshare recedes.
Mizuno aren’t really the same, they seem to be releasing drivers more often, I may be wrong but they tweak it only a little same for their irons, Jpx and mp every second year. But I agree 100% that a 2 year cycle should be the way. At least then you can trust what comes out will actually be bettter
@@MichaelM-to4sgAgree with all your points. Personally I think TM/Callaway are ahead because they spend so much more on marketing & sponsorships, and always seem to be offering the next big thing -- and certainly they have it right in terms of revenue. Personally I just find it gimmicky and enjoy finding a Ping, Titleist or Mizuno on even better reductions as they near the end of 2 years. But that's just me -- my golf (Hdcp 4.5) isn't good enough to see a performance difference between a Stealth or Stealth 2, let alone a SIM. Like you I tend to change driver every 3-4 years or so.
The result in this video is identical to my findings. PING LST (and I play the same Kai'li White), such a reliably tight pattern. Titleist TSR3 can theoretically go further if I turn it over, but my spread is greater (just like Mike).
I brought the Mizuno STX 230 Driver this year, won’t be changing it for a long time
I've got the TSR2 and love it. It won't be going anywhere for awhile
I changed from a bag of Taylormade M4's irons and woods to a full Titleist set, TSR3 driver, fairway and hybrid, with T100 Black and its been a learning curve. New to golf and had the M4's for 9 months and just wanted less help - wanted to learn to hit the ball well. Tested all three TSR drivers and stock shafts at the range multiple times and all combinations and found the TSR was the tighted for left to right dispersion and feel. Glad that it'll be current for another yeari-sh
I have a G430 Max 9deg turned up to 10 and really like it. I actually won mine in a TopTracer challenge event at my driving range ☺️
I’ve played ping clubs for 30 years and like their approach to the golf market. Being an engineering company, they focus more on fact than fiction and leave the aggressive marketing to TM and Callaway which to be honest, gets a tad boring, even though I’m sure is effective. PING may not be the sexiest brand, but there’s a reason why you’ll see a lot of their product in the hands of the amateur at weekends…. They’ll bail you out more often than most!
I’m still playing with my 915 fairway and hybrid and TS2 Driver.
I have got my handicap from 12 down to 4 using these clubs for 4 years.
I tried the tsr2 and fairway / hybrid and gained between 7-10 yards. Distance isn’t really an issue for me so I will wait for 2025 and see what’s new.
My weekly golf mate is off scratch and his clubs are over 10 years old. Same putter for 20 years!
It’s not the clubs folks…definitely the person swinging them.
430 lst in my bag. It's an absolute rocket ship out of the center. High toe don't feel the best but the ball moves. I don't hit low in the face often been when I do it is amazingly far and straight. Most incredible ball speed I've seen low in the face
Golf is the only hobby I have. I enjoy it immensely, but the price of this sport is getting a little ridiculous. $800 drivers in Canada is going beyond reality. Problem is they are still selling at these prices.
You don't have to buy them.. You can have a set a few years old and be on a level playing field. Any M-series driver is as good as this year's releases, same with irons, putter, hybrids, and wedges.
Was waiting for someone to make a ridiculous comment like that.
Maybe someday I will want to up grade to some thing new not someone else’s junk. By then todays prices will be cheap.
...how ridiculous, I've said much worse to be fair... You can buy new old stock at a decent price if you don't want second hand and can't afford or dont want to spend the money on the latest over hyped new product.
@@davezalinko1354a good compromise is to simply wait until near the end of the new product cycle and save 20% or more on the new equipment that is getting phased out.
Another Great Vid !!
I have both Ping g430 max and Titleist tsr2 drivers. I love them both. 2 of the best drivers.
I personally like 2 yr cycle.
Before my purchase of the Cobra Aerojet LS purchase this July, I noticed loss of distance with the Taylor Made SIM in Year 3. I think every 2 years for Drivers to look at replacing. I would definitely recommend getting fitted. I wasnt even thinking Cobra and the numbers came out the best. The PING 430, had the 2nd best numbers for my swing
I have the Ping G430 SFT in the bag and G430 MAX as a back up. But as a slicer the SFT is the go to
I went for the G430 Max, as I’d been hitting a Stealth driver inconsistently for months. It is definitely much more forgiving on off centre strikes. I am working on technique as well, to fix the swing issues though 🤭
You rarely see Ping or Titleist on sale with their 2 year rotation. Taylormade or Callaway you can pick up a great deal on a12 month old driver.
Picked up Paradym TD driver, 3w, 5w during their double trade in deal. I won't be getting new clubs for a bit. Had some extra budget and got fit into Titleist T100S before the T150s were announced also. I am set for a good while.
I like what cobra do, a 1 year cycle but similar technology every 2 years. The speed zone and radspeed featured very similar technology but the radspeed had slightly better performance. It lets the golfer who want to upgrade every year do so, while allowing other golfers to hold onto to their clubs without missing out. Also cobras pricing doesn't break the bank as much as other brands but still delivers comparable if not better performance.
2 year cycle is a huge plus, nothing worse than having an old model after 6 months, although if it’s a good driver maybe having it years is a positive. I play the g430 LST. Was in a stealth which was longer but wilder. I don’t mind the looks of the ping head myself, but I much prefer looking at shots from the fairway so that forgiveness to me was most important. I love the look and sound of the Titleist, they are the best looking hands down, but like I say the look of a shot from a fairway is the main reason I’m in the ping!!
Thanks for sharing 👍
@@MichaelNewtonGolf Michael - your dispersion with the Ping says it all.
Yea totally agree Michael I use taylormade stealth 2 and I think 12 months is far too quick 2 years is good 👍 😊
I have the Ping G430LST in the bag. It’s in there due to the consistency, maybe not the longest but keeps me in play
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I presently play the G430 Max. I switched to this head from the G400. I picked up about 7 yards of distance and improved my accuracy. I will stay with this club next year. I was fitted for this club and because of the quality of the major companies , i do not believe there will be a big distance difference between fitted drivers.
Doesn't bother me if a brand offers a new driver every year. I am not going to chase after the latest and greatest if my current driver is performing well. I hit a Titleist driver at a fitting once. I am being truthful when I say it was the most beautiful driver I have ever held. Too beautiful. I was reluctant to scratch it up. I wanted to frame it an mount it in my living room. Ended up with a Ping G410 with a 44.25 inch shaft. Looks like a pickup truck not a ferrari. Sounds like a tin can. But it finds fairways better than any driver I have had to date.
Hi Michael awesome video again. IMHO 12 months is not going to achieve the best improvement on the outgoing model. I'm still playing the Sim2 which I find hasn't been improved by the newer stealth 1 or 2. Having said that, I just love coming home after a long day to watch the review of new golfing equipment. So yes if it's an evolutionary change a 2 year cycle is more feasible however most brands follow these changes with incremental almost negligible changes the following year. These life cycle effectively do only last 2 years in any case. Looking forward to the next launches. What is important though is thd timing of the launches, mizuno seems to miss the sweet spot with post summer driver launch despite his good it is and when it comes to comparison in January Feb they are always forgotten as being a current model.
I always buy the previous year driver. There is typically very little difference in drivers from year to year. For me why pay the new driver price when you can get basically the same performance from a driver that is a year old and costs a lot less. Example the Ping G430 sounds better than the G425 but the performance is the same I would buy the G425 for a lot less money.
I buy & sell golf clubs frequently. Always buy the immediately previous generation which is usually priced at 60% discount from new. Just replaced my Titleist TSi2 driver, 3 wood, 5 wood, 4 hybrid with a Taylormade Stealth equivalent armory. I am hitting the Stealths 10% longer and arguably more accurately (as much as my 14 handicap allows). Though I still believe the carbon face Stealth is a gimmick that may not have market longevity. A friend who is a scratch golfer hits 3 large buckets of practice balls daily. Last week he blew the face off his Stealth. He's returning to a Titleist driver.
You forgot one Mike - the Wilson Dynapwr drivers continue into 2024. In fact, I’d like to see you put the DP Carbon up against the Ping & Titleist. I reckon it might just surprise a few people with its performance
I’m still playing my Cleveland HB Turbo Driver (2019) and Ping i210 irons (2018) and will probably play them for at least another year … new equipment is just too expensive in my opinion but I certainly don’t fault others for buying new stuff if they can afford it.
TSR3 In the bag and won’t be coming out for at least 3-5 years. Had 2016 M2 for a couple of years until I was custom fit TSR2 last December. A few months ago Compared the 2 vs. TSR3 and the 3 outperformed it in all areas. Compared to the 2, TSR3 gave me 5 more yards of carry, higher ball speed and better smash factor. I also got custom fit for TSR3 3 wood; Ordered a 5W and now 4 hybrid.
Titleist has got it right by releasing new products every two years. Gives ample time to R&D their equipment. Similar to Ping and Mizuno. Titleist has By far the BEST sound/feel and looks in their wood lineup.
Also, Titleist releasing their products in the fall is better because you’ve played all season and should be in peak form. with spring releases you’re cold after not playing over winter months.
I hope 3 year cycles will be the norm. Are we really going to gain a yard a year like the previous 20?
I prefer two year cycle.
Currently gamimg Tsi3. Just got a set of t350s so I'm not in the market yet.
Paradym prices are dropping. Something new is coming. How can they top it?
Would love to test the G430 MAX...my SIM2 I cannot stop cutting/slicing
Deffo worth trying!
Tbh, clubs should be launched when there is a significant improvement in performance and/or forgiveness. I know that is idealistic...... so i would say 2-3 yrs lifecycle would be reasonable. I enjoy your tests of new vs old and often the differences seem negligible.
2 year cycle is fine. The company‘s coming out every year with something as interesting, but since it seldom is any better than the previous year it’s more like splitting hairs which is a testimony to how much money they’re making on the stuff they can afford to re-innovate something every year and put it out on the market and sales are just mediocre. TM drivers are sitting on the shelves all over the place. Some of the other companies are seeing the same, partially to the steep price but also people can only afford so much when green fees have gone through the roof and the overall expense of golf is ridiculous. But whatever it is it is… To each his own
Hate the 1 year cycle.
Already seen leaks from Cobra and it looks no different.
But it will go 10 yds further.
Cobra = DarkSpeed
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I used to obsess over the latest golf clubs. I'm over it now, focusing on my swing stats are way more healthy and less expensive. Buy golf lessons not new clubs.
Dominate? Umm not that I disagree but let’s wait and see the new Ping G430 Q10, the Cobra Darkspeed, The Taylormade, and whatever Calaway brings to the table. And maybe Surixon, Muzino, Wilson?????