@@HORRIOR1 The only beast modes shown to be the same size as the actual animal were Tigatron and Cheetor. By your logic, Rattrap, Waspinator, Tarantulas, etc. were itty-bitty.
@@HORRIOR1Beast modes didn't alter the size their robot nodes already were, it basically just slapped an organic armor over their robot nodes, reguardless of the actual animals size. Though I will admit at times the show completely ignored continuity in their sizes. Tigertron and Airazor were shown to be pretty much the same height in robot mode yet when she's riding on tigertrons back during the floating island arc in their beast modes she seems much smaller. Also Optimus grows in size closer to an autobot when he takes Prime's spark into himself but Megatron doesn't seem to do the same when he takes his ancestors spark as in the next episode he still fits perfectly into his command chair on the darksyde before it gets destroyed.
Gotta love the meta humor from Mainframe Entertainment. I mean, you should see their dislike for ABC and its Broadcast Standards and Practices censor division from their other animated masterwork ReBoot (alongside ABC shelving the show during the S2 tenure after its Disney buyout back in the day).
@@Transit0422 no. Beast Wars is set ages after the 80s Transformers animated series. The Maximals and Predacons somehow made it to prehistoric earth during the time when the Autobots and Decepticons were still in stasis lock (read: knocked unconscious) after they crashed.
Dinobot sacrificing himself and saving the early humans was probably the greatest episodes in this series. He is still my favorite character of all time
0:25 "That shit wasn't built, it was poured" "Diecast construction, it's a lost art". A reference to the G1 action figures. Actually there have been some other series as well that had diecast too, like Binaltech and Masterpiece.
BW Megatron was never Megatron or anything like him. Its a name he gave himself. It wasn't a nickname anyone gave him for the way he was. He was always a fanboy. I'm glad he was reduced to someone who was a hero worshiper. G1 Megatron even told him to change his name to something else.
@@allhailme8457 i disagree. BW megatron did put G1 megatron on a pedestal, but it was never his entire personality. He hates how big and wasteful G1 bodies were for energon usage and that includes megatron. He follows what was written on the golden disk, but its for his purpose of changing the future and getting rid of autobot/maximals. Hes basically G1 megatron if he chose to really cross the line and follow through. Ravage is sent to arrest him for that reason
Would have been hilarious if Megatronhad blown OP's head up...only to discover that in the new timeline the Deceps (and the Preds) were in an even worse situation, due to the leadership of Wheelie or something. :-)
Wouldn’t be that surprising. Once Optimus died and leadership was passed to rodimus, the autobots did a lot better. They managed to take cybertro and establish peace treaties
@@williamnguyen8663 Well, since at that point Megatron was effecively gone as a menace (and Galvatron was just a wacko), there wasn't much of a problem there.
@@VulpisFoxfire the decepticons were still a problem, and considering megatron shitty leadership, they were likely even more competent now. Not to mention, when optimus returns, they lose cybertron again
Even in the movie, Soundwave was hooking up his cassette mode into the decepticon base. I guess they made that a permanent feature instead of having him transform every time
@@ilyte1 they are from the future relative to when the Autobots crashed on Earth, which was the "end of the war", which was 4 million years before the 80s. That's why we see "early humans" on Earth, so Primal and team are still thousands if not millions of years before the 80s Once the Transformers wake up in the 80s, the war resumes. It's only the end of the war to them because of their crash
Yeah its kind of weird how we went from a terrible G1 Megatron In a beast wars show but amazing beast Megatron And now terrible beast Megatron but amazing G1 Megatron haha
This is something that occurred to me a couple days ago. What would have happened if the cons won? Would the Golden Disk have just been overwritten with, “ignore that last bit. I just won”?
The gold disk would not have g1 Megatron's message on it. As for history it would be drastically different. With the cons winning the war Humanity might have been enslaved or wiped out by the cons. Earth would have been drained of all natural resources for Cybertron's restoration, the predicons would have never been created as there would be no need to upgrade to more fuel efficient bodies, and finally Unicorn would have devoured the universe as there was no prime to stop him.
It was a backup plan for G1 Megatron, so it would probably still exist. And Knowing that Megatron, probably would end up in a museum as an example of his "tactical brilliance" or something.
@@thegreyjedi2372 True however Megatron encountered the voyager probe after getting dumped by Star Scream so Astrotrain could make it back to Cybertron. The act of Star Scream dumping Megatron like garbage is found in the Transformers movie of 1986.
1) I didn't know this was a continuation of the original cartoon. 2) I never witnessed the inclusions of G1 characters in the show, let alone Unicron. 3) I had no fucking idea that Megatron and Optimus Primal were not the original Megatron and Optimus Prime, let alone were smaller robots.
Well starscream technically either foreshadowed or referenced the transformers armada series. Consider this. Starscream claimed to have died to Unicron while in the service of megatron. Now consider this, of course in armada it was Galvatron but the predacons would have still called him Megatron. And Starscream died trying to unite the Autobots and Decepticons as an effort to serve Megatron. Plus the term 'Air Commander' could be referencing Thrust from Armada and that Starscream is the true air commander. Either that or its all coincidental. But of course they use the G1 artwork but it resembles Armada
And you know what's the worst part? Despite having the entirety of G1 localized and dubbed in Italian, the translators of Beast Wars DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SEQUEL TO TRANSFORMERS. So, every time there's a G1 reference and DESPITE HAVING "TRANSFORMERS" IN THE ORIGINAL TITLE, the translation fucks up. For instance, a lot of names in the original cartoon and toyline were localized (Autobots became Autorobots (with a silent t, for some reason), Decepticons became Distructors (pronounced "distrooctors", Optimus Prime became Commander, Starscream became Astrum, Ravage became Iena ("Hyena" in Italian, despite the fact he's a panther) and many others), and already calling Optimus Primal "Black Jack" feels like a wasted opportunity (as in, at least Rodimus Prime was renamed "Captain", they could've gone with something like, I don't know, "Sarge"? "Commander Primal"? Idk). And then, whenever they make a reference to Autobots and Decepticons, they just call them like that, "Autobots" and "Decepticons". But THEN, whenever they bring back one of the G1 characters I just mentioned, they said "FUCK IT, let's just give them new localized names, it's not like the kids are gonna care or something". So Starscream/Astrum became, and I'm not shitting you, "Scintillor" (because "scintilla" means "spark" and he's a spark! Funniest shit after Pickle Rick! Get it?), Ravage/Iena became "Ursus" (again, he's a PANTHER) and, worst of all, seeing that BW!Megatron had the same name as G1!Megs and Primal and Prime kinda sound similar, get this, Optimus Prime was renamed BLACK JACK. I'm not even commenting on this one. Sorry if I sounded whiny, I just wanted to vent.
Black Jack era un nome figo,a sarebbe stato meglio se fosse stato un nomignolo dato da un membro dell'equipaggio più che il suo nome nella versione italiana, per il resto sono totalmente d'accordo. Black Jack was a cool name, it would have been better if it had been a nickname given by a crew member rather than his name in the Italian version, for the rest I totally agree.
In latin america we got something similar. Because the traslation took a lot of liberties, some names were not the ones supposed to be. Some were lucky like Rattrap or Wapinator ("Ratatrampa" and "Avispaneitor" which are essentially literal translations from english). Some others however were odd like Quickstrike ("Dos cabezas" two heads basically). There's one that really went into the absurd territory. Starscream was called "Destello" (probably something similar to the word starlight). That alone is weird, but while for the most part the word decepticon was somewhat respected, at some point he calls the "flota decepción", and this one is beyond stupid because the word "decepción" is a false cognate from english, the two words alike mean entirely different things, in spanish, "decepcion" is much closer to the meaning "dissapointment". At least Megatron was respected. But I'm not sure why the dub did that.
Made even better with the "Wonko the Sane" stint combined with his waving to the "audience." If anyone knew the likes of Benson Yee and his contributions to the show back in the day, then you're gonna love what it meant.
Ok so Predacon Megatron is Ok with, literally, erasing his own existence by killing Optimus and changing history, if it means the Decepticons will win. As if "I won't get to exist but at least I won't live in this future where I am a "slave" of the Maximals"
@@steve_the_vehicon632 if u watch the 1984 cartoon..they were in status lock..not dead in 1984 when they reactivated beacuse the mountain they crashed into was actually a volcano and the shock from it eurpted and activated teletran 1's repair function.....watch the 1984 cartoon bud
When first watched Beast Wars: Optimal Situations and it came to the part where Optimus Prime got the Matrix back and his eyes activated on that quiet "thank you" -level looking into Primal's, I recall fanboying the Eff out! 4:58 Totally lit AF!
I love in code of hero dinobots computer tells him switch to beast mode , stasis lock is imantent. Dino bot says: overrideeee Lol classic. Phenomenal episode
Ironicly the predicons were enslaved by there leaders(former decepticons). Maximal were far from perfect but they didn't actively seek out and oppress the other side.
On Cybertron the Maximals did actively seek out to oppress Predicons. According to the comics of the time any predicon on Cybertron was treated like a second class citizen with extreme restrictions on where they could go, who they could talk to and what they could have. Off world was a different story but thanks to the Paxus Cybertrionus they where under constant surveillance for anything that could be even remotely interpreted as a violation of the peace treaty. This is why the Tripredcous council made sure predicons like Megatron where used to distract Maximal agents from their rearming efforts.
@Ligga Digga Sigga Jr g1 Megatron goal was unity/peace through tyranny/control. After the A&D bot wars the remaining D-bots took control and followed there leaders will. If I was to make a short comparison to the predicon society would be the golden/rust age from idw and prime verse. A society based on what you were made for and what you provide. And if you couldn't fulfill your role you were scrapped and reused for society as parts Ironically predicon society allowed more personal freedoms even going as far as to allow preds to create mobb style families and renaming themselves or there kin.
@Ligga Digga Sigga Jr the A-bots on the other hand regressed into what we saw in the end of g1 golden age except militarized. Maximals had to conform or be outcast by both society's often being banished from cybertron if they weren't forced into being reformatted. Because maximal leadership thought it more humane and peaceful to erase individualism/freedom for security/peace. In fact it worked so well it was a rare accurance a maximal went rogue. Because they had beaten the idea of freedom out of them and instead instilled conformist ideology. Ironic considering Optimus/alphatrion fought against that type of rulership
@@johnnygyro2295 No. Not even the writers knew. They had two theories though. A: The vok were the highly evolved future versions of the human race or B: They were the reborn versions of The Swarm from the G2 comic series
At least the mysterious ambiguity of the Vok being kept helps them, just like the Shadows from Babylon 5 and the Shivans from FreeSpace, and unlike the Reapers from Mass Effect.
As Smart As Megatron Thought He Was Nothing Ever Really Worker Out for Him and I love That 😂😂 His Beastwars Voice Actor Was Great The Kingdom Voice Actor Was Irritating Like AOL Dial Up Connecting Any & All Images , Records , or Evidence Of Beast Machines Needs To Be Thrown Into The Void
Also there's a couple other things that I never understood so when Optimus regained Consciousness after you put the Matrix of leadership back into him how come he never remembered this and when they were reactivated and 1984 after the great explosion of the volcano how come they were never able to detect the part of the other Transformers that were lost during the great battle
The show producers, directors and writers said that what appeared to be Optimus Prime's Matrix of Leadership, in reality it wasn't, that was his Spark core container in shape of the Matrix. That supposedly the Matrix was behind that area in another compartment. The reason it was shaped as the Matrix is that they never had a Spark Core to relate to so they shaped Prime's Core to look like the Matrix, remember that in this show when Megatron (I call him Predratron better lol) shot Prime he was dying slowly and the remedy to save him till Rhinox and the Ark repaired the damage Primal had to take in Prime's Spark inside him and by having two Sparks mutated him into Optimal Optimus. When they returned the Spark to Prime in a sense he powered up a bit.
@@EternalRoman I understand that wasn't the Matrix of leadership that was indeed his spark,but also his spark did merge with the matrix. but what I'm asking and what I don't understand and what was never clarified was when his spark was put back into his body and he came back online and he looked Optimus primal right in the face how come it is that he never remembered that. And then my other question that I have is later on why isn't it that they were never able to detect the parts of the other maximals and Predacons that was lost in the great battle before they went back to Cybertron
@@ThePrime206 On the Parts of Maximals and Predacons fight, the issue stems on the point that the show originally was intended to be its own thing, but then they decided to make it as a G1 continuity. The show though being as praised a lot now as a modern cult classic, it was too different for the G1 fans and apparently the audience that was tuning in at the time was not as strong, so they used the strongest tool at their disposal, straight up Nostalgia to get the audience to expand. It worked since now many G1 fans still like this show, but at the time they didn't. Since they had introduced the concept of a "Spark" as the soul of all Cybertronians, they had to make the G1 Transformers to have them too, but as I said, they had nothing to use as reference and in fear of making up something that would have the G1 fans fight about, they had to use that excuse.
@@hero-bo7qc To put it simply, after the Great War the cybotroians underwent what is referred to as the great upgrade, it reduced their sizes in order to allow them to be more Energon efficient which aided in cybertron’s reconstruction efforts, i believe beast wars makes a reference to it at some point but beast machines goes a little more into it, hence why the predacons and maximals are much smaller compared to their autobot/Decepticon ancestors, dont take my word as gospel thought as its been a while since i dove into this lore but i think I’m remembering it correctly
I remember thinking Beast wars looked like crap in season 1 and hated the farting, burping and all that silly crap. I'm a huge fan of G1 and when their storyline got into G1 in season 2 or 3 I got interested and went back and watched entire show then loved it
See all I had at first was the set of episodes where transmetal 2 dinobot was born and then the cheetor transmetal two primitive stuff. It was really weird to then start in season one with only Rhinox and Waspinator looking the same lol
Beast Wars was my introduction to Transformers. There's a lot of silly moments and slapstick humor, but I've grown to love it because of the storylines and characters. I even became a fan of G1 because of Beast Wars.
I got introduced to G1 first, I think, but The Movie and BW sure made me be more into Transformers, mostly because the storytelling intensified at those points and at times went beyond the "glorified toy commercial" roots.
Watching the Agenda was wild when it first aired. Prior to that, Beast Wars' connections to G1 were mostly loose. The biggest episode that connected the two shows was Possession, which had the Ghost of Starscream heavily featured, but other than that, the shows felt largely disconnected from each other. Any connections or references we did get felt like fun little nods to the fans and not much else. Then this comes along and reveals the Beast Wars have been revisiting G1 the whole time. Then to see Ravage, the G1 Megatron, and then the freaking Ark and Optimus Prime's head blown up, it was absolutely insane to witness for everyone that was around for both shows. And it wasn't just fan service either. It really felt like a lot of work went into using G1 to actually elevate the Beast Wars. Prior to Season 2, the show was fun, but felt low stakes. Okay so two small groups of robots are stranded and feuding in the middle of nowhere. With the added information that they were on prehistoric Earth the whole time, it opened the door for this kind of craziness and boy did it pay off!
Beast Wars, Beast Machines and G1 are my favorites. I liked Transformers Prime a bit on the side too, but other than that I haven't really liked any other Transformers series. I did like the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron video games though.
@@alterbr33d Haven't seen much of Prime, but it looks pretty good from what I've seen. I just preferred how Beast Wars and Beast Machines continued the original series as opposed to just rebooting everything over and over.
@@chickensoup1312 Yeah, it's pretty good. Especially Sari, she's just adorable and fun to watch. I especially liked how the human characters didn't overshadow the robot characters like in some series.
I like a lot The transformers world of legacy with history & generations, beast wars, beast machines, beast era, machine wars, g1, g2, shattered glass, evergreen, kero, micro changers, micro nauts/micro man/micro change, & diaclone are all my favorite forever confirm
@Rich Pitoniak Nah, because they're goin by the butterfly effect in terms of time travel, & that'd mean there'd be no Matrix of Leadership to pass on to Hot Rod whenhe came to Earth later on in G1. No Matrix of Leadership, no Rodimus Prime. It's the Matrix that converts them into a Prime. You take that out, & the Prime line dies completely.
It was called "Great Upgrade" As the Maximals and Predacons are smaller and more energy-efficient Cybertronians As the Predacon Megatron called the Autobots and Decepticons archaic energon guzzlers!
Im gonna wish some transformers toys for christmas and the one i want the most is a masterpiece soundwave that comes with his cassettes and im also gonna wish the beastbox cassette toy for the masterpiece soundwave toy
Gotta love Beast Wars (and also Animated) for being referential love letters to the works released before them. However, do note that BW is implied to happen to a G1 universe with some specific events from both the Sunbow cartoon and the Marvel comics (both the U.S. and U.K. ones) combined, not a true sequel to the cartoon itself or even said comics. Of course, inconsistencies caused by this can be redeemed by the fact the exact information about the Great War of 1984-2005+ is hidden away by the Maximal Elders (which is admittedly a donk move from an otherwise benevolent offscreen group). Addendum: Shame the The Agenda three-parter finale for Season 2 didn't have Frank Welker as G1 Megs, while the Transformers theme song wasn't available for cassette tape Ravage to play due to bloody rights issues.
Pretty brilliant and grandiose on BW Megatron part by trying to deny the Autobots an ally in the Witwickys and thereafter, the rest of the human population. Hell, we can even say he tried to setup even after the events of 2005, by eliminating the EDC that is an alert first warning to any threat coming past Pluto 👍🏾
What I have always wondered between the continuity between Transfomers G1 and Transformers Beast wars is what happened to Rodimus Prime? or what is his whereabouts in Beast wars?
beast wars was set millions of years in the future, just time traveling to the distant past. Not much from g1 would have lived that long. Rodimus was always pretty weak too, but he stopped being a prime before g1 series ended when Optimus was reborn.
I like how Megatron acts so powerful in beast wars yet when he goes to kill Optimus he's literally almost the size of his head.
Small size due to maximal/predicon upgrade to conserve energy.
Smol megatron.
@@HORRIOR1 The only beast modes shown to be the same size as the actual animal were Tigatron and Cheetor. By your logic, Rattrap, Waspinator, Tarantulas, etc. were itty-bitty.
@@HORRIOR1Beast modes didn't alter the size their robot nodes already were, it basically just slapped an organic armor over their robot nodes, reguardless of the actual animals size. Though I will admit at times the show completely ignored continuity in their sizes. Tigertron and Airazor were shown to be pretty much the same height in robot mode yet when she's riding on tigertrons back during the floating island arc in their beast modes she seems much smaller. Also Optimus grows in size closer to an autobot when he takes Prime's spark into himself but Megatron doesn't seem to do the same when he takes his ancestors spark as in the next episode he still fits perfectly into his command chair on the darksyde before it gets destroyed.
@@HORRIOR1 Optimus Prime is approximately 30 ft tall T-Rexes were around 20 ft tall
"Die-cast construction!"
*Stares into the camera like in the Office*
"It's a lost art."
It's called diecast, and it's art
Gotta love the meta humor from Mainframe Entertainment.
I mean, you should see their dislike for ABC and its Broadcast Standards and Practices censor division from their other animated masterwork ReBoot (alongside ABC shelving the show during the S2 tenure after its Disney buyout back in the day).
Optimus primal breaking the fourth wall for nerd moments got to love it
@@michaelandreipalon359 Then Toonami picked it up
its the only transformers il collect if they have diecast
Even after he was rebuilt as a Predacon, Ravage kept his cassette tape form & even had a cassette tape deck on his ship!
I’m pretty sure it was out of respect for his master soundwave.
@@normalguy5157 i think yes.
It's the only place he felt at home
@@tvfunkyman6269 Well, you’re not wrong.
Gotta love his commitment to the cause
"Die Cast Construction, it's a lost art"
- Every Transformers Toy Reviewer
It's a common knowledge that some 3rd Party manged to re-discover
I like how Prime looked as though he was thanking Primal for saving his spark while G1 Megatron resisted BW Megatron from taking his.
Realmente isso mostrar as diferenças gigantescas entre megatron e optimus.
What happened to the autobots and decepticons in that ship?
@@lukefiorentino9757 left on Earth to let the events of G1 transpire.
@@torch712oh so g1 optimus and megatron didn't die
@@Transit0422 no. Beast Wars is set ages after the 80s Transformers animated series. The Maximals and Predacons somehow made it to prehistoric earth during the time when the Autobots and Decepticons were still in stasis lock (read: knocked unconscious) after they crashed.
Dinobot sacrificing himself and saving the early humans was probably the greatest episodes in this series. He is still my favorite character of all time
Sameee I cried when he died. I was also like 7 haha
Taught me about sacrifice and that he was more warrior than any of his kind
same
0:25 "That shit wasn't built, it was poured" "Diecast construction, it's a lost art". A reference to the G1 action figures. Actually there have been some other series as well that had diecast too, like Binaltech and Masterpiece.
Wait he actually swear?
@@plotarmor8017 No, he said "ship".
@@MrRcn23 shit i feel stupid
@@plotarmor8017 I just shipped my pants, ua-cam.com/video/2xwUuSM06xQ/v-deo.html
Diecast metal? Just like Jobby the Hong says!
David Kaye is an excellent Megatron unlike TF: Kingdom's who sounds like a fanboy and none of of the authority
He was more like inferno
He just have that charisma that Megatron has, yeeeees
I would’ve forgiven the voice if they had just executed his character like in Beast Wars…
BW Megatron was never Megatron or anything like him. Its a name he gave himself. It wasn't a nickname anyone gave him for the way he was. He was always a fanboy. I'm glad he was reduced to someone who was a hero worshiper. G1 Megatron even told him to change his name to something else.
@@allhailme8457 i disagree. BW megatron did put G1 megatron on a pedestal, but it was never his entire personality. He hates how big and wasteful G1 bodies were for energon usage and that includes megatron. He follows what was written on the golden disk, but its for his purpose of changing the future and getting rid of autobot/maximals. Hes basically G1 megatron if he chose to really cross the line and follow through. Ravage is sent to arrest him for that reason
*in 1984*
Optimus Prime: man, I have such a HUGE headache!
Would have been hilarious if Megatronhad blown OP's head up...only to discover that in the new timeline the Deceps (and the Preds) were in an even worse situation, due to the leadership of Wheelie or something. :-)
Wouldn’t be that surprising. Once Optimus died and leadership was passed to rodimus, the autobots did a lot better. They managed to take cybertro and establish peace treaties
@@williamnguyen8663 Well, since at that point Megatron was effecively gone as a menace (and Galvatron was just a wacko), there wasn't much of a problem there.
The most common theory is that Unicron destroys Cybertron in that reality.
@@VulpisFoxfire the decepticons were still a problem, and considering megatron shitty leadership, they were likely even more competent now. Not to mention, when optimus returns, they lose cybertron again
U mean beat wars uprising ?
Gotta love Cybertronian's implementing human cassette-styled technology into their crafts. That's some real post-war shit
It's a lost art 😂😂
Even in the movie, Soundwave was hooking up his cassette mode into the decepticon base. I guess they made that a permanent feature instead of having him transform every time
wouldn't casettes not yet exist here? Soundwave hasn't woken up to become a walkman
@@sparkside217 Yes, but all the technology and characters are from centuries in the future. Supposedly 300 years after the war in the cartoon ended
@@ilyte1 they are from the future relative to when the Autobots crashed on Earth, which was the "end of the war", which was 4 million years before the 80s. That's why we see "early humans" on Earth, so Primal and team are still thousands if not millions of years before the 80s
Once the Transformers wake up in the 80s, the war resumes. It's only the end of the war to them because of their crash
You missed one, there is an episode where Rattrap says "What in the name of my great-aunt Arcee is going on!?"
David Kaye is the best voice for beast wars Megatron, not the guy they used for kingdom
The whole war for cybertron trilogy was badly cast
War for Cybertron trilogy was badly cast not because of the voice actors but their acting. The voice actors are not bad but not well chosen
@@wafagdplqs4421 This sadly often happens. You get a 5-star cast, and bad performance.
Like the Bayverse. X)
@@Archon3960 I don’t see how anyone badly performed in the voice department.
BW Megatron in Kingdom was pathetic
"DECEPTICONS FOREVER" *transforms into cassette*
Megatron: We are now face to face Optimus Prime!
Optimus: **awakens** Hello my friend.
Megatron:**SCREAMS IN CYBERTRONIAN!**
1:18 Strange how back then there was G1 Megatron with a strange voice, and now in TF Kingdom, we have Beast Megatron with a weird voice. Lol
Yeah, really ironic isn't? xD
Yeah its kind of weird how we went from a terrible G1 Megatron In a beast wars show but amazing beast Megatron
And now terrible beast Megatron but amazing G1 Megatron haha
0:29 Optimus Primal casually breaking the fourth wall.
I love how Inferno's head goes flying past and Megatron is just like "hmmm" 😂😂
The G1 transformation for ravage is just great
8:09 the X-Files
Illuminati confirmed!
This is something that occurred to me a couple days ago. What would have happened if the cons won? Would the Golden Disk have just been overwritten with, “ignore that last bit. I just won”?
The gold disk would not have g1 Megatron's message on it.
As for history it would be drastically different. With the cons winning the war Humanity might have been enslaved or wiped out by the cons. Earth would have been drained of all natural resources for Cybertron's restoration, the predicons would have never been created as there would be no need to upgrade to more fuel efficient bodies, and finally Unicorn would have devoured the universe as there was no prime to stop him.
It was a backup plan for G1 Megatron, so it would probably still exist. And Knowing that Megatron, probably would end up in a museum as an example of his "tactical brilliance" or something.
@@zomfragger But Voyager was sent out in the 70’s. The Great War didn’t start until 1984.
@@Lotan_ True. Of course, then he’d have to worry about Unicron, and with no Matrix…
@@thegreyjedi2372 True however Megatron encountered the voyager probe after getting dumped by Star Scream so Astrotrain could make it back to Cybertron.
The act of Star Scream dumping Megatron like garbage is found in the Transformers movie of 1986.
Dinobot, the true hero of the series
3:54 bro screamed like three times
"my heart tells me that you will not."
"oh yeah?"
"you.. shot me!"
I just love how genuinely shocked he was.
4:40-4:47
One of the best, if not the best, Silverbolt x Blackarachnia moments in the entire show.
@@foxboy6145 I love how Scott McNeil monetarily slips into his Rattrap voice.
1) I didn't know this was a continuation of the original cartoon.
2) I never witnessed the inclusions of G1 characters in the show, let alone Unicron.
3) I had no fucking idea that Megatron and Optimus Primal were not the original Megatron and Optimus Prime, let alone were smaller robots.
I wouldn’t really call these ‘references’ as (from what I know) Beast Wars and G1 are part of the same universe.
Well starscream technically either foreshadowed or referenced the transformers armada series. Consider this. Starscream claimed to have died to Unicron while in the service of megatron. Now consider this, of course in armada it was Galvatron but the predacons would have still called him Megatron. And Starscream died trying to unite the Autobots and Decepticons as an effort to serve Megatron. Plus the term 'Air Commander' could be referencing Thrust from Armada and that Starscream is the true air commander. Either that or its all coincidental. But of course they use the G1 artwork but it resembles Armada
@@jameslambert5198 beast wars was written by a separate company at the time armada and it sequels are owned by a different company
@@jameslambert5198 later blackarachnia says that he was lying and was killed by Galvatron
At the end of g1 it was shown galavatron shot starscream presumably killing him
Oh wait. . . . .then that means Megatron BW managed to fulfill the dream of Optimus Prime, "till all are one". . . .man that's wicked!!!
4:51 - It’s time to Transform & Roll Out!
And you know what's the worst part?
Despite having the entirety of G1 localized and dubbed in Italian, the translators of Beast Wars DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SEQUEL TO TRANSFORMERS. So, every time there's a G1 reference and DESPITE HAVING "TRANSFORMERS" IN THE ORIGINAL TITLE, the translation fucks up. For instance, a lot of names in the original cartoon and toyline were localized (Autobots became Autorobots (with a silent t, for some reason), Decepticons became Distructors (pronounced "distrooctors", Optimus Prime became Commander, Starscream became Astrum, Ravage became Iena ("Hyena" in Italian, despite the fact he's a panther) and many others), and already calling Optimus Primal "Black Jack" feels like a wasted opportunity (as in, at least Rodimus Prime was renamed "Captain", they could've gone with something like, I don't know, "Sarge"? "Commander Primal"? Idk). And then, whenever they make a reference to Autobots and Decepticons, they just call them like that, "Autobots" and "Decepticons". But THEN, whenever they bring back one of the G1 characters I just mentioned, they said "FUCK IT, let's just give them new localized names, it's not like the kids are gonna care or something". So Starscream/Astrum became, and I'm not shitting you, "Scintillor" (because "scintilla" means "spark" and he's a spark! Funniest shit after Pickle Rick! Get it?), Ravage/Iena became "Ursus" (again, he's a PANTHER) and, worst of all, seeing that BW!Megatron had the same name as G1!Megs and Primal and Prime kinda sound similar, get this, Optimus Prime was renamed BLACK JACK. I'm not even commenting on this one.
Sorry if I sounded whiny, I just wanted to vent.
Could have been worse. Look at the Japanese dub by Yoshikazu Iwanami, and despair.
Black Jack era un nome figo,a sarebbe stato meglio se fosse stato un nomignolo dato da un membro dell'equipaggio più che il suo nome nella versione italiana, per il resto sono totalmente d'accordo.
Black Jack was a cool name, it would have been better if it had been a nickname given by a crew member rather than his name in the Italian version, for the rest I totally agree.
In 1999 russian dub Optimus primal was named King Kong 💀
@@morendice3764 AIN'T NO WAY DAWG
In latin america we got something similar.
Because the traslation took a lot of liberties, some names were not the ones supposed to be.
Some were lucky like Rattrap or Wapinator ("Ratatrampa" and "Avispaneitor" which are essentially literal translations from english). Some others however were odd like Quickstrike ("Dos cabezas" two heads basically).
There's one that really went into the absurd territory. Starscream was called "Destello" (probably something similar to the word starlight). That alone is weird, but while for the most part the word decepticon was somewhat respected, at some point he calls the "flota decepción", and this one is beyond stupid because the word "decepción" is a false cognate from english, the two words alike mean entirely different things, in spanish, "decepcion" is much closer to the meaning "dissapointment".
At least Megatron was respected. But I'm not sure why the dub did that.
“Not Waspinator! I am Shrapnel, Decepticon Her-o-o-o-o!”
The dubbed in X-Files theme was funny.
Made even better with the "Wonko the Sane" stint combined with his waving to the "audience."
If anyone knew the likes of Benson Yee and his contributions to the show back in the day, then you're gonna love what it meant.
Ok so Predacon Megatron is Ok with, literally, erasing his own existence by killing Optimus and changing history, if it means the Decepticons will win. As if "I won't get to exist but at least I won't live in this future where I am a "slave" of the Maximals"
Yes that's why he said it was the ultimate risk for the ultimate prize.
This is why I love BW Megatron. Extremely insane, and yet so willing to do such things because it means his mortal enemies will be gone forever too.
There were a bunch of episodes I missed as a kid watching this show, I had no idea Starscream took over Waspinator until now.
I always thought the episode where they find the OG bot that they were all dead, not deactivated
season 3 dark awakening is the one ur thinking of
@@chrismclean2264 are they dead in that one
@@steve_the_vehicon632 u see dead g1 autobots and a zombie optimus prime
@@chrismclean2264 but how will they reawaken in 1984 if they're dead?
@@steve_the_vehicon632 if u watch the 1984 cartoon..they were in status lock..not dead in 1984 when they reactivated beacuse the mountain they crashed into was actually a volcano and the shock from it eurpted and activated teletran 1's repair function.....watch the 1984 cartoon bud
God that Starscream episode is one of my personal favs
Also 2:47-2:50 fourth wall breaking. He's pointing at us
Silverbolt's name is also a reference
So are Inferno, Rampage and Dinobot.
@@natek4488 And skorponok, there were some good ones!
Hard to believe that at the beginning they weren't too sure that whether they were going to make this a continuation of G1 or its own thing.
@@garganrose In a way, it's both
@@natek4488 as blitzwing says "why not both ahahahah"
Beast wars megatron is pure comedy and gold
Waspinator scream looks like funny
When first watched Beast Wars: Optimal Situations and it came to the part where Optimus Prime got the Matrix back and his eyes activated on that quiet "thank you" -level looking into Primal's, I recall fanboying the Eff out! 4:58 Totally lit AF!
Dinobot was a true bro.
I love in code of hero dinobots computer tells him switch to beast mode , stasis lock is imantent.
Dino bot says: overrideeee
Lol classic.
Phenomenal episode
I forgot Ravage was soundwave's partner in Transformers.
4:48 that voice crack
Ironicly the predicons were enslaved by there leaders(former decepticons).
Maximal were far from perfect but they didn't actively seek out and oppress the other side.
On Cybertron the Maximals did actively seek out to oppress Predicons.
According to the comics of the time any predicon on Cybertron was treated like a second class citizen with extreme restrictions on where they could go, who they could talk to and what they could have.
Off world was a different story but thanks to the Paxus Cybertrionus they where under constant surveillance for anything that could be even remotely interpreted as a violation of the peace treaty. This is why the Tripredcous council made sure predicons like Megatron where used to distract Maximal agents from their rearming efforts.
Wait the predicons were enslaved???
@Ligga Digga Sigga Jr g1 Megatron goal was unity/peace through tyranny/control.
After the A&D bot wars the remaining D-bots took control and followed there leaders will.
If I was to make a short comparison to the predicon society would be the golden/rust age from idw and prime verse. A society based on what you were made for and what you provide. And if you couldn't fulfill your role you were scrapped and reused for society as parts
Ironically predicon society allowed more personal freedoms even going as far as to allow preds to create mobb style families and renaming themselves or there kin.
@Ligga Digga Sigga Jr the A-bots on the other hand regressed into what we saw in the end of g1 golden age except militarized.
Maximals had to conform or be outcast by both society's often being banished from cybertron if they weren't forced into being reformatted.
Because maximal leadership thought it more humane and peaceful to erase individualism/freedom for security/peace.
In fact it worked so well it was a rare accurance a maximal went rogue.
Because they had beaten the idea of freedom out of them and instead instilled conformist ideology.
Ironic considering Optimus/alphatrion fought against that type of rulership
Die-cast construction.
I t s a l o s t art.
Toys reference. amazing
6:37
I hear the Halo shotgun going off when he hit the floor.
Since this came out first, you should be saying you hear the beast wars blast every time you play with a halo shotgun
Mom: Can you do the dishes?
Me: I don't want to do it. I did them yesterday.
Mom: I'll get you McDonald's.
Me: 1:26
that rock breaking sounded like the same sound effect as the halo ce shotgun 6:01
0:15
"DECEPTION FOREVER!"
Me: Is it just me or this prediction that Chadwick Bose man said "WAKANDA FOREVER!". :0
As much as I love this show the plot was so convoluted that still brings me headache. And this is without the aliens subplot
Was it ever explained who or what the Vok were?
@@johnnygyro2295 mot to my memmories and knoledge of the cartoon , maybe in some sort of comic?
@@MIGBMWLOVER the vok are essentially the authors
@@johnnygyro2295 No. Not even the writers knew. They had two theories though.
A: The vok were the highly evolved future versions of the human race
or
B: They were the reborn versions of The Swarm from the G2 comic series
At least the mysterious ambiguity of the Vok being kept helps them, just like the Shadows from Babylon 5 and the Shivans from FreeSpace, and unlike the Reapers from Mass Effect.
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Ravage: Decepticon’s Forever! *Transforms into Mixtape and goes into Cassette Tape Deck*
As Smart As Megatron Thought He Was Nothing Ever Really Worker Out for Him and I love That 😂😂
His Beastwars Voice Actor Was Great The Kingdom Voice Actor Was Irritating Like AOL Dial Up Connecting
Any & All Images , Records , or Evidence Of Beast Machines Needs To Be Thrown Into The Void
Also there's a couple other things that I never understood so when Optimus regained Consciousness after you put the Matrix of leadership back into him how come he never remembered this and when they were reactivated and 1984 after the great explosion of the volcano how come they were never able to detect the part of the other Transformers that were lost during the great battle
The show producers, directors and writers said that what appeared to be Optimus Prime's Matrix of Leadership, in reality it wasn't, that was his Spark core container in shape of the Matrix. That supposedly the Matrix was behind that area in another compartment. The reason it was shaped as the Matrix is that they never had a Spark Core to relate to so they shaped Prime's Core to look like the Matrix, remember that in this show when Megatron (I call him Predratron better lol) shot Prime he was dying slowly and the remedy to save him till Rhinox and the Ark repaired the damage Primal had to take in Prime's Spark inside him and by having two Sparks mutated him into Optimal Optimus. When they returned the Spark to Prime in a sense he powered up a bit.
@@EternalRoman I understand that wasn't the Matrix of leadership that was indeed his spark,but also his spark did merge with the matrix. but what I'm asking and what I don't understand and what was never clarified was when his spark was put back into his body and he came back online and he looked Optimus primal right in the face how come it is that he never remembered that. And then my other question that I have is later on why isn't it that they were never able to detect the parts of the other maximals and Predacons that was lost in the great battle before they went back to Cybertron
@@ThePrime206 On the Parts of Maximals and Predacons fight, the issue stems on the point that the show originally was intended to be its own thing, but then they decided to make it as a G1 continuity. The show though being as praised a lot now as a modern cult classic, it was too different for the G1 fans and apparently the audience that was tuning in at the time was not as strong, so they used the strongest tool at their disposal, straight up Nostalgia to get the audience to expand. It worked since now many G1 fans still like this show, but at the time they didn't. Since they had introduced the concept of a "Spark" as the soul of all Cybertronians, they had to make the G1 Transformers to have them too, but as I said, they had nothing to use as reference and in fear of making up something that would have the G1 fans fight about, they had to use that excuse.
How are they normal sized until they come face to face with a g1 transformer
@@hero-bo7qc To put it simply, after the Great War the cybotroians underwent what is referred to as the great upgrade, it reduced their sizes in order to allow them to be more Energon efficient which aided in cybertron’s reconstruction efforts, i believe beast wars makes a reference to it at some point but beast machines goes a little more into it, hence why the predacons and maximals are much smaller compared to their autobot/Decepticon ancestors, dont take my word as gospel thought as its been a while since i dove into this lore but i think I’m remembering it correctly
I remember thinking Beast wars looked like crap in season 1 and hated the farting, burping and all that silly crap. I'm a huge fan of G1 and when their storyline got into G1 in season 2 or 3 I got interested and went back and watched entire show then loved it
See all I had at first was the set of episodes where transmetal 2 dinobot was born and then the cheetor transmetal two primitive stuff. It was really weird to then start in season one with only Rhinox and Waspinator looking the same lol
Beast Wars was my introduction to Transformers. There's a lot of silly moments and slapstick humor, but I've grown to love it because of the storylines and characters. I even became a fan of G1 because of Beast Wars.
I got introduced to G1 first, I think, but The Movie and BW sure made me be more into Transformers, mostly because the storytelling intensified at those points and at times went beyond the "glorified toy commercial" roots.
Transformers Beast Wars Cartoon: Maximals: Optimus Primal, Rhinox, Dinobot, Cheetor, Rattrap, Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt, Depth Charge, Tigerhawk, Others: Transmutate, Predacons: Megatron, Scorponok, Terrorsaur, Tarantulas, Waspinator, Blackarachnia, Inferno, Quickstrike, Rampage, Dinobot 2, Tripredacus Council: Ram Horn, Sea Clamp, Cicadacon, Others: Ravage, Others: Vok, Decepticons: Starscream, Megatron, Anthropoids: Leader Neanderthal, Una, Chak, Computers: Sentinel, Predacon Computer, Teletraan-1
*LaserBeak prepare for flight, destination: Iacon, Operation: assimilation.*
"You had his name, but not his army."
Ravage putting BW Megs in his place.
Watching the Agenda was wild when it first aired.
Prior to that, Beast Wars' connections to G1 were mostly loose. The biggest episode that connected the two shows was Possession, which had the Ghost of Starscream heavily featured, but other than that, the shows felt largely disconnected from each other. Any connections or references we did get felt like fun little nods to the fans and not much else.
Then this comes along and reveals the Beast Wars have been revisiting G1 the whole time. Then to see Ravage, the G1 Megatron, and then the freaking Ark and Optimus Prime's head blown up, it was absolutely insane to witness for everyone that was around for both shows.
And it wasn't just fan service either. It really felt like a lot of work went into using G1 to actually elevate the Beast Wars. Prior to Season 2, the show was fun, but felt low stakes. Okay so two small groups of robots are stranded and feuding in the middle of nowhere. With the added information that they were on prehistoric Earth the whole time, it opened the door for this kind of craziness and boy did it pay off!
Die-cast construction, its a lost art
*stares at camera* It's a lost art
7:29 hasta la vista starscream
Hasta La Vista, Starscream.
They are finally going to come out with the ravage toy
I've still got a few cassettes lying around.
I love dinobot
@0:40 Ravage: you are under arrest…
Megatron: ..aaUUGHHHHHHH
OP must have been so confused when he woke with a new helmet
“It means I failed this time”
Proceeds to give the weirdest evil laugh
Woah, I don’t remember ravage being in beasts wars!
3:43 is what every transformer sees in his nightmares
The beast wars STARSCREAM voice is probably my favorite
Doug Parker, Terrorsaur's VA, sure did well, true.
Man, I love Beast Wars. To me, G1, the G2 comics, Beast Wars and even Beast Machines, for all it's flaws, are the only true transformers shows.
Beast Wars, Beast Machines and G1 are my favorites. I liked Transformers Prime a bit on the side too, but other than that I haven't really liked any other Transformers series. I did like the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron video games though.
@@alterbr33d Haven't seen much of Prime, but it looks pretty good from what I've seen. I just preferred how Beast Wars and Beast Machines continued the original series as opposed to just rebooting everything over and over.
Animated is also rly good guys :)
@@chickensoup1312 Yeah, it's pretty good. Especially Sari, she's just adorable and fun to watch. I especially liked how the human characters didn't overshadow the robot characters like in some series.
I like a lot The transformers world of legacy with history & generations, beast wars, beast machines, beast era, machine wars, g1, g2, shattered glass, evergreen, kero, micro changers, micro nauts/micro man/micro change, & diaclone are all my favorite forever confirm
2:56 blackarachnia calm down
you would think beast wars megatron would have to take out hot rod as well since he becomes rodimus prime.
Hot Rod wasn't on the Ark with the original crew. He was introduced in the movie, which takes place after season 2.
@Rich Pitoniak Nah, because they're goin by the butterfly effect in terms of time travel, & that'd mean there'd be no Matrix of Leadership to pass on to Hot Rod whenhe came to Earth later on in G1. No Matrix of Leadership, no Rodimus Prime. It's the Matrix that converts them into a Prime. You take that out, & the Prime line dies completely.
2:52 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I never understood, the refrence. Until I realize the predators and maximal are like proto cybertronians.
It was called "Great Upgrade" As the Maximals and Predacons are smaller and more energy-efficient Cybertronians As the Predacon Megatron called the Autobots and Decepticons archaic energon guzzlers!
As a kid i had no idea the whole full circle i was watching. But as an adult i love it
This is feels so surreal to see the Autobots and Decpticons in Statius 4 billion years ago
No way, the Vok and Illuminate worked together!
Im gonna wish some transformers toys for christmas and the one i want the most is a masterpiece soundwave that comes with his cassettes and im also gonna wish the beastbox cassette toy for the masterpiece soundwave toy
Argh! BW megatron was done dirty in the cybertron trilogy.
Never watch this when it first came out, but after watching the War for Cybertron Trilogy, maybe I should.
Why were the beast formers so small in comparison
It was explained that the smaller bodies used up less energon.
"Archaic Energon guzzlers. How dare they!"
Smaller bodies were more energon efficient.
Sorry to say I knew next to nothing about G1 until looooong after this show, so all the references went a mile over my head.
Gotta love Beast Wars (and also Animated) for being referential love letters to the works released before them.
However, do note that BW is implied to happen to a G1 universe with some specific events from both the Sunbow cartoon and the Marvel comics (both the U.S. and U.K. ones) combined, not a true sequel to the cartoon itself or even said comics. Of course, inconsistencies caused by this can be redeemed by the fact the exact information about the Great War of 1984-2005+ is hidden away by the Maximal Elders (which is admittedly a donk move from an otherwise benevolent offscreen group).
Addendum: Shame the The Agenda three-parter finale for Season 2 didn't have Frank Welker as G1 Megs, while the Transformers theme song wasn't available for cassette tape Ravage to play due to bloody rights issues.
I find it funny that Gary Chalk played g1 Megatron in that scene, and David Kaye played Animated Optimus
beast wars
I agree
I believe this is a statement to which we can all agree and relate to.
So true
Man as a kid i was hoping they would revive the original autobots and decepticon
I’d like to think beast wars happens before the g1 formers wake up
And 4th wall breaks🌌📺🌎🥲
2:54 bro how can a robot have some W rizz
I saw it and I was like “I need bleach” 😵
Best transformers series ever besides gen 1
G1 megs really laughed in lower case
Black panther "Wakanda 4eva"
Ravage "Decepticon 4eva"
Similar?
Soundwave 😮
I like the gorilla modes of optimal optimus and transmetal optimus primal
Pretty brilliant and grandiose on BW Megatron part by trying to deny the Autobots an ally in the Witwickys and thereafter, the rest of the human population. Hell, we can even say he tried to setup even after the events of 2005, by eliminating the EDC that is an alert first warning to any threat coming past Pluto 👍🏾
8:10-8:30 Wait a minute that’s the Dramatic “dddddadada” meme song
Edit 9:22 it’s that song again!
What I have always wondered between the continuity between Transfomers G1 and Transformers Beast wars is what happened to Rodimus Prime? or what is his whereabouts in Beast wars?
beast wars was set millions of years in the future, just time traveling to the distant past. Not much from g1 would have lived that long. Rodimus was always pretty weak too, but he stopped being a prime before g1 series ended when Optimus was reborn.
0:11 Shao Kahn ???
Rattraps aunt Arcee
It looks like g2 transformers of the autobots