Titanic History/What if the watertight doors had been left open?
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In this video we take a look at what could of happened with the sinking of the Titanic if its watertight doors had been left open during the sinking.
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They did a test with a large Titanic model years back. They found the ship would've stayed level for quite some time, but began to list badly after an hour. Ship ended up sinking roughly an hour sooner.
Its obvius
If you let the water let in without any barrier, you are just making the sinking easier
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Which was a bit odd how Titanic sank as compared to other liners that capsized most of the time.
After re-watching your video I was wondering what if you and Ocean liner designs found yalls self back in time Around 1903 and if the both of you had all of the info and the prof would the both of you would help H&W to make both Olympic and Titanic and britannic safer and last alot longer how would yall do it
@@BHuang92that’s thanks to the offset of weight of the coal that was on the port side
In the 1998 documentary Titanic: Secrets Revealed they tested the theory using a model of the ship. The results found that the power would have gone out sooner (90 mins sooner), so loading lifeboats in the dark, ship would have listed to one side and made some of the remaining lifeboats unlaunchable, and would have capsized and gone under sooner than the original sinking (33 mins earlier).
Now that makes it seem like a possibly worse scenario
Yeh I saw that 👍🏻 think it's on amazon prime
@@davidknight2104 It can also be watched on UA-cam
The documentary said it would’ve made the Titanic sinking into the Poseidon Adventure.
The reason this my this myth wont' die is because the physics of water gets complex really, really quickly. Even if the watertight doors were open, the ship itself is going to fill unevenly due to bulkheads, metal walkways, storage, and so forth. As the water moves from one side to the other, its going to move the ship back and forth. To examine how this is done is actually a quite complex forumla that basically requires computers to do the math, as you have to figure out how fast water is going to come up through the floorboards and walls, ect. Then you have to worry about how much water is going to be on the port or starboard side. Water actually weighs alot, and its going to fill every crevice. All of the spaces inside of the walls, between pieces of coal, under floors, ect, is going to add up, quickly. Many of these questions are engineering and physics questions, answered without the experience of engineering and physics.
Dude your little Titanic model is great! The one that you’re holding! Where on earth did you find that?!
hi garret !
I think it’s a 1/700 model by either Revell or Academy
@@alexnmott wait it looks like a model from titanic honour and glory it’s quite small
@@Person-by6vd i agree!
Garrett!!
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"Water doesn't flow uphill."
Romans: Is that a challenge?
What did the Romans ever do for us?
@@finlaymorgan9365 Google romans and their engineering in aqueducts and water transportation.
@@finlaymorgan9365 ... lol :-) “All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
@@tazdevil875 Peace ;)
@All without the common knowledge to get the joke, go and watch Monty Pythons Life of Brian.
@@finlaymorgan9365 When you don’t learn any history besides the Titanic:
Them 3 hours helped save a lot of lives .imagine if it sunk in an hour .imagine the death toll
At most 2200 people would have died which is less than 50% more than the 1500 that did die.
Maybe they would have realized a lot sooner and FILLED the damn lifeboats.
@@QuantumRift but if they did I don’t think they would’ve realized how many people each lifeboat could’ve held and as many people would’ve died
I don’t think it made a difference from 1hr to 3hrs. They didn’t have enough lifeboats regardless. No one lasted in the water more then a few Minutes. Whether she went down in an hour or three-
A similar number of people would end up in the water. I also think In the case of ‘ watertight doors’ They created a sense of complacency especially in the belief of inability to sink. Theoretically if they knew the doors couldn’t shut it may have meant from the start of the extreme severity and danger was absolute and more immediate evacuation start.
When reading comments ruined the vid
He didn’t have to give the “shoutout”, but my respect has been earned again
Why did you delete your comment?
I absolutely love this kind of information. I've always been fascinated with that sinking. In fact, as a small child living in Allendale County, SC, I once met a man in an old abandoned schoolhouse we used to play in. He was painting a large piece of plywood with round holes in it. These plywood pieces were used when the local watermelon crop ripened to block the doors on the railroad boxcars. The doors would be left open as there was no cooled railcars. He told me that he was a Titanic survivor as a child. This was around 1961 or so. My closest contact with a real survivor and at the time, I didn't realize how rare that meeting was. Just a little tidbit of my Titanic memories I will never forget. After all, it was a "Night to Remember" as in the 1st movie in 1958 or so.
you once met a man in an old abandoned school house? sounds like a horror movie
I also read that the blast that damaged the Britannic warped some of the watertight doors and their tracks, which meant they weren't able to close. The damaged and open watertight doors on the Britannic exacerbated her tilting and contributed to her sinking faster than the Titanic.
That's always got me thinking - what if it stuck the mine when the doors were already closed?
@@davidknowles2491 The ship would have survived the blast only damaged two compartments (which was considered moderate damage even to the Titanic with the original bulkheads going only up until E deck)
I wouldn't doubt that they were warped and bent to hell. I have personally been involved in 7 large explosions and have seen many many more and the things a large blast can do to metal and meat is undescribable. It can also make it so if whatever door you are using is closed and gets blasted it gets bent out of shape so much that you can no longer open it. That is it's own special nightmare.
Actually. It’s the attempt of salvaging the ship that made the flooding worse.
I didn’t know about the coal thing, but I love learning new stuff. That’s so interesting how just that one detail gave them extra HOURS. Wow.
Thanks for commenting on my "what if" scenario. I know in reading the comments myself that there were a few of us that mentioned this "what if" in the past.
I like your thinking on the physics behind it all, it seems quite logical. One of the other things I asked about at that time was if the water tight doors were left open would Titanic have sunken on a more flatter plane, making it easier to launch the lifeboats since she wouldn't have been drug down by the head. But now I see that would have been a real disaster if she started to list heavily to Starboard and possibly capsize and sink within a hours time or so. It all makes total sense to me now after your analysis! I too really enjoy the what if videos! Really great Sam.... So here's a somewhat related "what if" idea.... With the improvements made to the Britainic, (the higher bulk heads throughout the ship, Reinforced hull, and better expansion joints.) What if it was the improved Britanic that struck the iceberg just as Titanic did? Would she not have sunk at all because of the before mention improvements? I thought this would be something to ponder!
Thanks again Sam, I really appreciate and enjoy all the videos! Keep up the great work! 😃👍
Nope, welcome to the 'fun' science that's hydrodynamics, where it is far less intuitive than physics.
I hope he covers your what if scenario one day
finally, another titanic nerd, i love the titanic
Your analysis videos are very much appreciated. I still remember before Robert Ballard discovered the wreck of the Titanic in 1985 how we Titanic folks were completely mesmerized by the unknown . It hadn't been seen since the sinking. How did it hit the bottom of the ocean? Where had it settled? Here we are after the discovery of the wreck with the ability to answer so many of the questions that plagued our imaginations for so long after the sinking until 1985. You are so very thorough in your videos of this horrible event. Thanks for taking the time to do so....
I'd have loved to have been alive during the initial discovery of the wreck. I can only imagine how invigorating it was for every Titaniac around the world.
You should do a “What if Rose would’ve let Jack on that damn door”
🤣🤣🤣
Mythbusters tested it yes they both could've fit BUT the door would've floated deeper in the water so they both would've froze because they both would've still been in the water 😕
Lol
@@DarkProtector96 One of the things that I find intriguing is that more people didn't seem to incorporate doors, etc. into their escape plans. I'm assuming that the average person thought the ship wouldn't actually sink until it was too late to come up with a better plan. I was a ships carpenter (a profession which is being replaced with a maintenance style job title, these days) and I had a detailed plan in my mind for what I'd do if the ship I worked on sank and no lifeboats or life rafts were available.
@@matthewmosier8439 I've thought of that too. I believe they didn't think it'd actually sink because in the beginning even staff weren't filling the life boats to the capacity they could hold.
I remember asking for this! Thank you! (Also I was that comment..Idk what happened haha!)
When did you leave hat recommendation...? I left one a few months ago
@@johnny_tard It was a pretty long time ago..I went back to the actual video and it was gone.
@@coleplanamento7454 oh... I think it was december of 2020 when I left mine. Either way I hink you need a shout-out more than me lol
GG on that
@@johnny_tard aw thanks!! :)
What if the Water tight doors had gone up past E Deck ? As orginally designed?
She was originally designed with her watertight compartments that high. The builders designed her that way intentionally because they could not have anticipated the disaster that ultimately claimed her
Water probably would have overflowed anyhow, just taken longer.
@@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont it's hard to say. She may have stayed afloat for several more hours. Or with the flooding stopped and the pumps flushing out the water. She may have survived and been towed to NY. These are just probabilities
She would've sunk, but stayed afloat long enough for Carpathia to rescue virtually all the passengers and crew.
Forget what everyone else is saying. Depending on how high the bulkheads went she could easily have survived and limped to New York or Halifax. Following the disaster Olympic was refitted and one of the modifications made to her was extending the height of the watertight bulkheads. While that wasn't the only safety modification made inside the ship (she was also given an inner skin, for example) the modifications made would have allowed her to stay afloat even with the first six compartments entirely breached just like what happened to Titanic.
Britannic also received these same modifications to her design, although they didn't have to be shoehorned in because she was only a keel at the time of the redesign, However she sank even though the external damage more localized than on Titanic. This was strictly because some of the watertight doors were jammed open because the ship warped from the explosion, and also because many of the portholes were left open.
The other reason Britannic capsized and Titanic didn't was because the force of the explosion that damaged Britannic actually twisted the frame work jamming the watertight doors open, so she had the uneven flooding, causing the ship to capsize as you say in roughly an hour.
Also the nurses left windows open also which allowed water into rooms also
@@sooners2037If the nurses had kept the portholes closed, the Britannic would have made it to Kea and would not have sunk
And if the stokers had used the ladders to change shifts instead of opening the watertight doors, the Britannic would have survived the mine
Did you watched the horrendous 2000 film?
I need to remind you that capsize did not happen. She plunged by the head with heavy starboard list. The Kea channel, where the Britannic sank in is rather shallow.
@@misterskylight66
The forward hold watertight doors were jammed in the full open position by the blast as it warped the hull.
Vid idea: How exactly was maritime law / legislation changed after the Titanic disaster?
Some changes.
Ice Patrols in the Atlantic passage between New York and Southhampton
A radio operator must be at the post 24/7 so distress calls can be heard by anyone and everyone, after all the california which was not too far off, the radio operator went to bed so they couldn't help.
Most likely taking ice warnings more seriously and slowing down when sailing through ice fields
There must be enough life boats for all passengers.
@@IIGrayfoxII also it was common practice cuz ships of the time period had to keep a schedule like trains do so going full speed was normal & trains still do that today FYI
@@dixiefish0173 good thing you can’t sink a train right?😂
@@dixiefish0173 The faster they got to port the faster another ship load of passengers could get onboard, true.
But after Titanic things started to change.
Unless over or through a bridge or close to any body of water... I’d hope not
Video idea: modern cruise ship safety (lifeboats/rafts/vests/design) vs the standard for Titanic.
well,modern cruse ships have enoch capacity in life boats and rafts to load anny person an board on each side...basicly,even if the ship can launch only bouts and rafts frome one side ,still room for all pasangers and crew
@@MrAdharus A modern ship has enough sensor equipment that it would have never hit the iceberg even though modern-day cruise ships are less maneuverable than Titanic.
@@Starjumper2821 ,sure,but i not talked about how are the chances of a modern shit to have same kind of encounter as titanic...just pointed out the fact now anny ship have enoch capacity to evacuate all peoples on board if need...and have the necesary time,of course
@@Starjumper2821 don’t forget that technology can break (yes, I know there’s such things a redundant systems), which is also why there has to be someone on the bridge at all times. Besides, modern ships still sink, even without icebergs(I believe the most famous recently was called the Costa Concordia? Could be wrong on the name) so their larger life boat/raft capacities are still something important to have.
@@Starjumper2821 The main difference is that Titanic was an OCEAN liner and most all modern-day cruise ships operate just in a general area that aren't in the middle of the ocean. That doesn't mean they don't go into waters quite away from land, but they don't stay there as part of the trip for very long.
Great video man! Love the energy, keeps the audience tuned in and keeps the content exciting
I have to say after all the many many videos and stories I’ve heard about the titanic, you have brought up things that I never heard before. Good job. I am also one of those people quite fascinated about this unfortunate tragedy.
When you mention a previous video you should put a pop up link to it in the top corner. It would be real convenient because you aren't specific when you say you made a video addressing it in the past and it would also drive additional traffic to your older videos. Just a thought
Yes - as. Other YT’s do that
@@bettyjane6684 You are so rude.
Great video! Loved hearing your theories and I actually didn’t know about the crew moving the coal over to the other side! It’s crazy how much we can figure out about the whole situation just based on survivor reports
Your videos open my eyes to so many things I never thought of, thank you. I have so many Titanic books and movies(Docs and Fiction), I've been an enthusiast for years, but your vids have answered a lot of questions I have thought about. As long as you're posting, I'll be watching. I do watch your non Titanic vids too. Stay safe.
I love these videos so much, i have a hard time understanding engineering and such so these help out so much! Plus the way you speak about it makes me know how much you love sharing this information! 😁
thank you for explaining the water tight doors to me! I’ve been trying to find a good video that explains how they worked and you did an amazing job in this video. Well done and keep up this awesome work!!!
Glad it was helpful!
'As she goes down by the head, water will spill over the top of the bulkheads. BACK and BACK. There's no stopping it.'
‘But this ship can’t sink!’
‘She’s made of iron sir, I assure you, she can!’
My favorite line by my favorite dude, my boy Mr. Andrews.
@@mamavswild indeed.
It never ceases to amaze me that I learn something new every time I watch something about the titanic. Great job I learned a lot.
About 20 years ago for a TV show I saw here in the UK they did an experiment with a scale model as it was postulated by many for years that it would sink slower on an even keel. They worked out that titanic would’ve lasted just under an hour and fallen over on its starboard side then sunk like a stone killing nearly everyone onboard like you said.
There was a test done on the documentary Titanic secrets revealed on a model using this theory .What was determined is the ship would have capsized from the unstable water and the power would have gone out sooner than it did because of the flooding of the boiler rooms through out the ship .In which the lifeboats would be impossible to launch in the dark on an unstable ship.
I saw that same documentary they tested several theories. I can't remember the name of it.
@@aliciabrinkofski386 Titanic Secrets Revealed it is on UA-cam .
@@aliciabrinkofski386
Titanic- secret revealed
@@stephenperkins7414 Narrated by Captain Smith himself.
Thank you I have been looking for that documentary for a long time.
Vid idea: what if the titanic wasn’t the largest ship and the grandest ship in the world when she sank, would that have changed the sea laws like it did when it happened. Also what if it wasn’t on its maiden voyage when it happened?! Would that have made the world view the disaster as “just another shipwreck” or would it still be as famous?
I wanna see a video about this.
It already wasn't considered the largest, grandest ship in the world right? In reality the Olympic had already stolen it's thunder as I was led to believe.
@@TheMasterfulcreator No, Titanic was just slightly larger. Brittanic would be the largest months later, but of course she was not grand. She was a hospital ship almost immediately.
@@thetireless1812 that's what i mean though. the sizes were virtually the same. and so nobody really cared about titanic's launch.
Synn Fusion when it sailed it was the largest and the grandest, I have been studying it since I was 3😂
Please do a series of video on what each officier was up to the night of the sinking! Each officier, like Lightoller, or Murdoch had their own unique adventures that night!
Your channel is fantastic. I've been watching your videos and your knowledge on the Titanic is especially impressive!
Idea: make a video on the Californian
yesss
He kinda already has
He has
@@stonylonesome1036 Wait Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa😵
Ya
What if the stern stayed afloat after the ship broke in 2?
That may be possible with air bubbles trapped inside
Then a lot more people would've survived
I have thought about this as well. If the front half would have torn off sooner, the rear half should have stayed afloat because I don't think much of her hull was damaged on the rear end bulkheads. On the other hand, maybe the weight of the engines would have made the rear section really front heavy and dragged the section down, more slowly then the keel did from the now sinking front section as depicted in the movie. It would be a very interesting subject to discuss!
@@localbreadyboy401 I dout it all the life bouts were filed......but not to full capacity
A very interesting theory, I've also been thinking a lot about this scenario. I think the main problem was that, according to Roy Mengots Split theory, the reinforced sheer strength B-Deck structure kept both section together too long. The break-up compromised the Reciprocating Engine room which also was as far as I know the heaviest area of the ship. Therefore the weight of the engines pulled the damaged engine room down additionally so that the water had enough time to spill over the bulkhead right into the turbine engine room astern. In order to keep the Stern aflot, I guess the breakup had to be a little bit more in the front of the ship, e.g. between boiler rooms 2 & 1 so that the reciprocating engine room could've stayed intact and buoyant. And with one remaining boiler room still attached to the Stern, it would've been theoretically possible to run the Stern as it's own lifeboat and keep some steam pressure for the generators. But I guess this scenario would have been very unrealistic, due to the strong B-Deck structure. But it's interesting to think about it.
I love your what if videos! Many many years ago, I read an article which described many things that could have been done to prevent the sinking. Two of them stood out to me. The first was that, according to the article, when the iceberg was sighted, they stopped or reversed the engines to slow the ship down. This caused a loss of maneuverability which made them unable to steer away from the iceberg. Somewhat like trying to steer a car while skidding on ice. Had they not done that, and kept up their speed, they might have been able to steer clear of it. The second thing is that after the collision, they moved away from the iceberg. Had they stayed close to it, they might have been able to drop the anchors unto the iceberg, which is a big floating ice cube. Had they done that, the iceberg might have help keep the ship afloat longer (like a giant buoy), gaining more time for the rescue ships to get to her in time. I wonder if you might weigh in on these theories? Do they make sense or are they total balderdash? Many thanks in advance. Marie
I very much appreciate your quick no nonsense presentations. Interesting.topics. Much appreciated.
Back in 1997 when the film came out, they had some special with a big ass model in a pool and tested this theory. It sank faster
Interesting, I learned a few things I never knew before. Your area reminded me of my old attic bedroom with 4' knee walls of knotty pine under the roof. They picked knotty pine because it came in 8' lengths, so minimal waste.
Very interesting and well researched. Will definitely have a look around your channel, as I love Titanic for both its history and science. Look forward to seeing what other topics you have.
Good thing you love making these what if videos because I love watching them! ❤😊
I’ve been reading about Titanic for 50 years and never heard of the float plates.
But when you see the historical photo in this video, they're obvious. Now we know what they were.
And no way to override them?
@@nickdaniels4385 well I would say they did if they opened the doors to put the hoses through. That may have deactivated them. It depends how it was designed.
Not much different than older, non-electronic switches to activate the ole' basement sump pump.
Weird question I had that hopefully the community can answer, why weren't the watertight compartments sealable between decks at the waterline? In theory couldn't all water tight compartments be breached and she still float, be it much deeper in the water and without power.
Money and re-engineering it more like a warship than the cruise ship.
It would have caused 'problems' because of this little thing called hydrodynamics. Water doesn't like to be contained all that much when moving and it will make your life miserable if you do. So you might get into the situation where you have shifted, causing the ship to yaw like a seesaw...
sir i am obsessed with the titanic after watching it last week. thanks for being so well-spoken on this topic!
You’re really good to listen to. To the point. Very succinct and informative. Thank you so much.
Great video! I'd been pondering about this for a long time, pondering if the doors being open could have kept her afloat longer if she sank evenly rather than going down by the bow, delaying water coming in from above. But I hadn't considered the possibility of that leading to her going over sideways, or the fact that this would have knocked out the power making the evacuation much more difficult. Still, even with your conclusions, this would be a really cool thing to test with models - make two otherwise identical 3D printed models, with the same size hole in the bow, same weight (probably coins for ballast), both have the bulkheads but one has openings in it and the other they're sealed. Put it in a bucket of water and time each one's sinking. Would be a good elementary school science fair project, I could see someday doing that with my future children (as we all know said projects are always envisioned and executed by the parents, traditionally the dad.)
The end where you mentioned the loss of the weight of coal keeping Titanic afloat makes me wonder if the crew had dumped cargo/stuff overboard if the ship would have lasted even longer.
As for the main question of the video, a documentary answered the question with a scale model of the Titanic. They first ran the scenario with the watertight doors closed and the ship sank at 2:20 like the real ship. They then tried the same thing with the watertight doors open resulting in the ship loosing power early and the ship capsizing and sinking 37 minutes sooner.
It would've meant having all water jettisoned from the fresh water tanks, the keel, and somehow crew being able to get access to the hundreds of tons of cargo in the forward hull, the food stores aft, ect. for that to work and without the water from the iceberg damage causing the suddenly light and top-heavy ship from rolling over and capsizing.
A better scenario is could the Titanic crew have pulled off a counter flooding maneuver where they would flood the aft compartments to pull the bow up and prevent the water in the forward compartments from ever pouring over the bulkheads. It's a tricky enough that even trained military crews had trouble pulling it off.
Fascinating video sir great insight into possible scenarios etc. Love your detail and knowledge on the Titanic pal 👍👍
You're right about the ship capsizing, and it would have taken surprisingly small amount of water to make it happen. Witness THE HERALD OF FREE ENTERPRISE and the ESTONIA sinking. Since these ferries had no water tight compartments, they capsized very quickly once flooded. This is what's known as 'free surface effect', as the free surface of the water flows toward the lowest side of the ship.
My first thought when I saw the premise of this video: If the doors were open while Titanic sank, would it still have broken in "half"?
Less likely...
Thank you for finally answering a question I've had since I first started studying the Titanic in the mid-90s! I always wondered how the ship could have survived if only the first four compartments were flooded, since the tops weren't watertight also. I never knew that the design only allowed for the bow to sink so low with those first four flooded. Thanks so much for explaining that and keep up the awesome vids! I loved your recent Britannic one as well.
yeah its really interesting to consider. I mean logically you would think that if your designing a ship to survive massive flooding (I would consider 4 compartments completely flooded to be massive) then you would want that water contained. I mean what if you are in choppy waters couldn't it splash over the compartments into the 5th? I guess that principle is you are just trying to save the ship to get help and then hopefully tow the ship into port.
The thing I think most people dont understand is how busy the Atlantic was back then. It was expected that other ships would be able to respond to calls for help in a relatively short time. Also why they didnt think you needed more then enough lifeboats for everyone.
@@mike-mz6yz titanic had enough life boats lol life boats weren’t used for leaving the ship , they were used for transferring passengers
@@C0NSTANTINUS that was my point. Really they were right too. They didnt successfully launch all the boats they had to begin with and it was a slow sink.
Realistic you have two situations 1. the ship sinks fast and you cant launch more then a handful of boats. 2. the ship doesnt sink, but the passengers need to transfer to a different ship. Either way having 50 boats doesnt do anything for you when it would take like 5 hours to launch all of them.
Logical and lucid presentation. BRAVO.
What if the watertight compartments were filled with basketballs.
@Colin Steadland asking the real question now I see
In WW2, the Germans had old merchant ships that they used as mine clearers. The ships had their holds filled with a cargo of cork. The same cork used in wine bottle corks.
So the ship would hit a mine, the mine would explode, tear a hole in the side of the ship - but the ship wouldn’t sink because it was filled with cork. The cork made the ship too buoyant to sink.
@@timonsolus sad to think I may could have saved all those people had I’d been there with a few million basketballs.
IDEA: what if 4 compartments flooded? the ship would stay afloat, but would anything happen to it?
another idea: what if the water wasn’t freezing?
It would have been a very different situation if Titanic sank in the middle of the Pacific Ocean instead of the Atlantic there wouldn't be 15 hundred passengers dead from hypothermia maybe a couple dozen dead from shark attacks but that's about it.
well just get the water from Brittanic sinking an put it where the Ttanic was and you got your answer
@@redseagaming7832 still, a lot would die since only 1 boat came back and there weren’t enough spots for 1,000 or more
@@coffeemocha2892 in warm tropical waters, fewer people would die from exposure and could've just clung to the sides of the lifeboats or treaded water being kept afloat head above water by lifebelts. Hundreds still die, but hundreds more would survive to be picked up by Carpathia, Californian and the Virginian.
@@redseagaming7832 Exposure got a lot of the men from the USS Indianapolis. The open Pacific at night is probably a lot different from the waters around resort islands.
I love that you used clips from Saving the Titanic, my favourite documentary about the sinking.
Excellent video. I've wondered about this scenerio for decades.
I saw in a Journal (from that era) a safety recommendation regarding waterproofing the the decks where the bulkheads end in order to limit/stop water from spilling over.
Everytime you say "back and back and back" I think you're going to be like Thomas Andrews in the movie - "there's no stopping it!"
The problem is that the whole ‚water over the bulkhead‘ thing never happened. Common misconception.
I thought that also 👍
I didn't know about the floats feature of the watertight doors. Learn something new every day!
Fantastic video!! I've ALWAYS been curious about this! Big like and subscribed! Keep up the great content
What if the watertight bulkheads had gone all the way to a watertight deck; as retrofitted to Olympic might be interesting. As would, what if the Californian had woken up the radio operator.
There was an episode of History's Greatest Mysteries on History Channel.
They talk about how a bad sextant reading drew them off course. About 13 miles. So where they said they were wasn't where they were. So even if they had gotten there they wouldn't have found anything.
@@mattt233 True but they might have seen the flares from Titanic and found them
Possibly.
@@mattt233 Californian could see both Titanic's lights and white flares a the same time by the admission of her own officers and could've quickly realized by talking to Titanic via wireless that the coordinates were wrong.
@@nowhereman1046 that's correct but there was also a temperature inversion that night which made everything harder to see and why the Titanic and Californian couldn't see eachother's Morse Lamps.
I have questions, it's sometimes quite hard to explain, but .. :
- Where was the water precisely at each steps of the sinking ? What was the big steps about the water progression ? I mean, I really would like to hear explain, each minutes where the water was, etc. I'm quite interest about water physics, that's why. ^^
- Why Britannic didn't break in half ?
Britanic did not break in half because she went down so fast that the hull was not stressed as much or for as long as Titanic was. Secondly, Britanic sank in much shallower water. Her bow collided with the sea floor while a third of the ship was still above water. Another factor was,that she had improved expansion joints on her super structure, allowing her to flex more.
For Britannic question:
Britannic sinking: ua-cam.com/video/VMxOc0R47N4/v-deo.html
What if Titanic didn't break into 2: ua-cam.com/video/ifqywS2ljQU/v-deo.html
This one ought to answer your question.
There’s a video animation by Titanic Honor and Glory that can maybe answer your questions about where the water was and when it was there
James Cameron did an awesome video that would explain what you're seeking as far as the progression of water through the ship. It's the most thorough one I've seen.
As far as Brittanic not breaking up, Brent Fairlie below has the most correct answer, but there is one additional part. There is a theory that the Titanic did not just sideswipe the berg, but rather drove over a portion of it, explaining some of the seepage and lower rate of flooding in the last of the 6 compartments and the forepeak tank. It was theorized that the force imparted on the side of the ship and upward caused a bit of a "torquing force" that would have been most damaging (in terms of rivets being weakened) near the engine room, where the ships stucture was weakest. This weakest part, running all the way up through the hull was between #3 and #4 funnels. Right about where it broke up.
Excellent presentation.
I learned a couple of things.
It’s refreshing to see such a well-spoken intelligent young person expertly explain this event.
Good sir: I laud your research. Very thorough and I like the graphics, but there is a small problem with the coal being shifted from starboard to port. It was impossible to do based on the design.
The coal bunkers relied on gravity to drop coal to the bottom of the ship where it was shoveled out and into the boilers. Kind of like unloading a grain silo. You fill it at the top and remove it at the bottom and it empties via gravity. To do what people suggest, would require the stokers to take the coal out of the starboard gates at the bottom and stuff it back into the port gates at the bottom, effectively trying to fill a grain silo by stuffing it from the bottom and pushing it upward. In port, coal bunkers were filled externally via doors on either side of the hull. Fun fact: One reason coal fired steam ships were painted black from the waterline to the superstructure was because coal dust escaping during the loading would blacken the side of the ship, hence the black paint.
The late port list was likely caused by a passage called "Scotland Road" on E Deck. Once the water rose over the D Deck bulkhead and reached E Deck, Scotland Road was an open passage that ran almost the length of the ship on the port side of the ship's center line. The flooding would have had a straight shot from compartment 5-10. Since the flooding of water down that tube was a counterbalance, the ship would have righted a little, then listed to port as the water began to run down Scotland Road.
Interesting video... When I watched videos of how Titanic took on a greater and greater angle (bow down) as she sank, to the point she was nearly vertical before the final plunge, I always thought that the crew might slow the sinking by controlling the flooding to some extent by slowly opening some of the watertight doors and allowing Titanic to settle on an even keel versus a steep bow on angle. After watching your video, I guess that wasn't possible but it seemed reasonable (to me at least) that a flat settling of the ship versus steep angle would have extended their time and kept the from tearing apart after the third funnel. Interesting to consider... THANKS!
Great video!! I actually remember seeing this comment too.
Another potential “what if” scenario ... what if the power had failed earlier in the sinking?? I imagine this could be interesting because it would probably vary depending on how soon power was lost.
I always learn something new from watching your videos.
This was SUCH an interesting analysis! Thank you!
Can you talk about the car that went down with the ship? Love these videos!
There is no point for a video about a car, they didn't ship cars fully assembled like they portrayed in the James Cameron Titanic movie. They were in pieces in wooded crates and would have looked like any other cargo.
don't think that car even existed
@@dogninja0180 Why did James Cameron make it up
@@dogninja0180 it did. It was a Renault AX limo or a Renault CB, depending on what source you read. It was owned by William Carter. It was definitely on there but I don’t think it’s been found. Presumably it’s still in the cargo hold buried under the sea bed. Although what kind of state it’s in by now is anyone’s guess.
@@guynxtdork ye
say that to jack and rose
literally all of that was made up
I’m in college and I absolutely love ships and history like this! All my friends call my nerd but I just brush it off. This stuff is freaking awesome. Keep up the good work
-Collin from Michigan
You’re not a nerd, Collin from Michigan you’re awesome
Go watch the documentary;
The creature from Jekyll Island .
You will learn why the Titanic HAD to sink .
It was on purpose , to kill specific billionaires that were against the creation of the Federal Reserve .
You will also learn what the Federal reserve actually is , and that will make you more informed than %98 of the world .
@@Heracles_FE ??? You think the ship was sunk in order to kill the couple of Millionaires on board?! Not Billionaires because no one was that rich at that moment of time soooooooo your silly statement is of course false and the rest of your opinion is just that; your opinion! Go pull someone else’s leg please because you are full of bullshit!!!
Literally my new favourite channel its so so interesting 👐
I honestly love your videos ❤️
I always wondered about this as well. I figured that way, since the sinking was inevitable, the ship would be intact today. But with your explanation, half of the lifeboats would have been usable and the casualties would have been much higher. And even when intact, the ship would have been laying on it's side or worse.
Vid idea: Beyond closing the watertight doors and starting the pumps, what other damage control efforts were made, or could reasonably have been attempted?- eg jettisoning cargo, anchors and chains, rigging sailcloth under the hull, closing hatches and portholes on the lower decks? From what I've read, damage control beyond the obvious measures was a bit of an unknown until the experiences of various navies in two world wars were digested and lessons learnt put into practice.
Actually, DC was pretty damn good by WW1, but the problem was that by the time the full damage was calculated, it was far too late to do much with what they have.
All your videos are great Sam
Great Work Man 👍😀 Greetings from Helsinki Finland 🇫🇮
They should have left the water tight doors open so the ship would not break in half thereby making it easier for us to refloat and put into a museum.Obviously a lack of forward thinking on the bridge that night.Another thing I find perplexing is why didn't Cpt Smith step down as Captain when learning his ship was going to sink after promoting his first officer to Cpt as his last command?This simple action would have enabled him to get into a lifeboat.
Goddamn, you're right. I guess they failed to see 110 years into the future. 🤔
Hello. New to your channel, and it’s always exciting meeting a fellow Titanic enthusiast. While watching your very thorough and excellent analysis of the watertight doors, I couldn’t help to wonder what your thoughts were on my personal What IF question on the fate of the worlds most famous ocean liner. The one “ what If “ that I never see anyone tackle. What effect on the sinking did lightoller’s open D-deck gangway door have on the sinking? Did it expedite her flooding or was the flooding pretty stabilized by that point? Had it not been opened would Titanic ever have leaned so much to port? Had she not been open, after the break , would her dislodged stern fall back evenly instead of capsizing ( or nearly ) to Port?
Would love to hear your thoughts!
Thanks for your research and time producing a very interesting video..
I learn so much from your videos thanks much..
How about a what-if scenario video where the stern swipes the iceberg too as Murdoch orders the stern to be swung clear too late?
How would this have affected the ship’s sinking?
Love the videos, great work!
Question: What if the Californian’s wireless operator had stayed on duty and heard the distress call? How long would it have taken the Californian to make that 10 mile trip to the Titanic - or was the Californian trapped by ice?
I heard in a documentary that it was indeed trapped.
That was the biggest crime of all on the night of 14/15 April. Why the deck officers that were watching the darned thing go down did not override their Captain Stanley Lord's overwhelming desire to go back to sleep and WAKE UP CYRIL EVANS and get him to ascertain the situation.
There is a school of thought that I aspire to that postulates that Stanley Lord was a martinet, the type of Captain whose orders were not to be questioned by mere deck officers, even when the evidence of their observations could clearly see that ACTION was required in some way shape or form.
Stanley Lord finished his career in bulk carriers, mostly guano, and was never put in charge of a passenger vessel again.
Little wonder.
That night of constant ignorance of what his own deck watch officers were telling him should have seen him prosecuted for negligence.
Your knowledge of the ship's watertight compartment is very well researched .Even I did not know some of the things you mentioned, like the float plates.
Loves your videos I watch them everyday I’m addicted to your videos
The water tank doors being left opened I think it would have sunk a lot quicker than what it did
Really like your videos. I seem to remember hearing that the gangway door on the port side on D -deck was opened to help get passengers into lifeboats but was never used. Anyone know if they ever closed it? That would be a rather large opening for water to pour in and would seemingly cause a list to port. Thank you!
It was opened and left open to my understanding. Basically just forgot about it in the commotion. It took on water but at that point the ship was obviously a lost cause. Not sure how much faster it pulled the ship down though. That's math I'm not capable of
@@christiangermanowski4859 I agree!
It was actually found open on the wreck
I also heard about second officer Lightoller ordering gangway doors to be opened - and though they were never used, they were never closed. That was according to a Nat Geo documentary.
Isn't that the same door seen open on the bow section?
Awesome video dude!
Very well reasoned and informative, thanks.
Thank you, this is interesting
Video idea: what if titanic's propellers where still moving in the sinking. How would the ship survive and how much time will it have
Watch his Britannic video, it gives you idea of what would have happened to the Titanic if the engines were still rolling.
the ship sinks faster, since if you are moving, the water pressure increases.
also launching lifeboats would end in disaster
Can’t launch lifeboats with the ship moving.
Your content is SO cool!!
Very interesting and well done video. Thanks.
Video idea: how would the sinking be affected if the gangway door remained closed?
possibly she would have lasted 30 min longer.
4:36 That ship sounds like it had an accident as well.
You explained that so well.
Thank you
From New Zealand.
Loving these "What if" Titanic videos!!
Hey Sam, can you do a video about the conversion of RMS Olympic from coal to oil, and how the furnaces & boilers needed to be modified due to that change?
Video Idea: Was Titanic's rudder too small? Thanks for making these videos. I enjoy them.
.......what
what does this point towards anything?
@@dogninja0180 I've read theories about that. The Titanic could've turned faster and in a smaller arc, thus missing the iceberg, but it's only speculation.
@@steveburke1519 It was too small to turn in time for that size ship. After all, ships that big were fairly new. That has been proven and talked about plenty.
@@tonybrant1919 That's what I said, although maybe I could've worded it better, I should've said, "With a bigger rudder, the Titanic could've turned faster and in a smaller arc, thus missing the iceberg, but it's only speculation."
I enjoy your enthusiasm! Keep uo
Wow this is really amazing !!
Aaron1912:What do you mean if?
Also Aaron1912:Physics, what are those?
Aaron 1912 is such a moron
@@redskinsfanqca Yeah, I don't make fun of people for being uneducated, I find that to be quite rude. But when you're uneducated and arrogant about it, the gloves are coming off lol.