I've seen part of the body cam footage before but seeing more of it, I'm even more enamored with this police officer. He's SO nice, and I know people have commented that this is how police officers should be and all, but he's really going the extra mile and if he is a newer officer, I really hope he manages to keep his compassion and kindness throughout his career. Kindness is in such short supply nowadays
I live in the area, and I hope this helps. Her car was found on Forest Road 6, in Kaibab Nat'l Forest. I know the area well. The forest roads in Kaibab are ROUGH. They are covered in ruts, and you cross cattle guards. For the FLAT TIRES, this area is volcanic rock. It is incredibly sharp. The volcanic rock is on the shoulder of every forest road in Kaibab. If she was driving at night, or too fast and hit the shoulder...that would pop the tires on the right. I've done this before. Also, I have Tmobile and AT&T. I get NO cell service in Kaibab, unless in sight of I-40. I-40 is heavily traveled, and is the northern AZ route to Vegas.
I was thinking the same thing. Rocks will easily tear open the sidewall of a tire when off roading and if the road was lined with volcanic rock she could have easily gotten two flats either as you said or by simply trying to pull off to the side to take pictures or something and not knowing any better.
aw you can really tell that the Arizona cop got into that profession because he truly cares about people... I wonder if he has a daughter.. maybe he treated her the way he'd want another officer to treat his daughter. I bet he feels sad now knowing that she's missing.. hopefully he doesn't feel guilt "for not doing enough". he certainly did all that he could. ❤
I couldn't help comparing this with the completely horrific experience which poor Gabby Petito had with those Sheriff's officers who considered HER to be the aggressor.
Her saying that Roxie was "sleeping" to the cop could have just been a cover up to not alarm him that Roxie may have actually passed away? That could have also been the reason she was crying? Improper tempts, especially low ones WILL kill your bearded dragon and could have happened. What makes my suspicions grow more is the bouquet of flowers shes holding that following morning, they definitively give the impression of something you'd place on a grave. To dive even deeper, improper care of a bearded dragon in its early years could cause an early death as well. Her boyfriend strikes me as someone who cared more about his "business" than his girlfriend and whose to say he was never caring for the beardie correctly to begin with. Had to give my two cents as a reptile keeper! I hope justice can be found for Chelsea :(
Totally agree with that. Traveling with a beardie is hard. It’s definitely possible but it’s hard. Not enough UVB light and improper diet and temps can kill a beardie.
I know nothing about bearded dragons but I was thinking maybe the doors were all open because Roxie did die and maybe there was a smell? Just a thought, but I could 100% be wrong
I was thinking this same thing. I also noticed that the beardie looked rather overweight. Unfortunately improper beardie care is very common. Would not surprise me if Roxie died suddenly due to this.
I'm 32 and went to a troubled teen program in UT from 2006-2008. I still suffer from PTSD as a result. We're only now beginning to realize just how many grow up to have troubled lives after these programs and often go missing in adulthood. Many of the girls at my program have either committed suicide or have disappeared to never be seen again.
How could you not go through your missing loved ones belongings to possibly find clues? Also, my daughter flattened two tiresat the same time. So i don't find that suspicious. Wow! They discarded 12 years of her journals? Why?
@@frightfright3843 Sorry for your loss 😟 My sister had a bearded dragon named Ozzi. Unfortunately a woman mom was allowing to stay with us for a while fed Ozzi to her cat and this devastated my sister. Mom kicked the woman out and never let her or her pets in the house again. Mom continued to babysit the woman's kids but when she picked up the boys, they would go outside to their mother by the car. It has been over a decade and my sister still hasn't gotten another lizard.
why wasn’t the family more involved ? why was the search canceled ONLY after two weeks?? i’m so confused if my loved one went missing id never stop looking
I am not trying to judge them but if that was my sister... I would NEVER let her things go. Her camera? Her car? Journals? never in a million years. Ig it's hard to know what the family dynamics might have been. 😢 Poor Chelsea.
My husband is a long haul trucker and I was shocked when he told me that Love’s doesn’t have CCTV facing the parking areas. I had just said to him that I was glad he chose to stay somewhere safe with camera coverage (thinking of course that they would have them for safety). When he told me that not many truck stops had security cameras outside, my son and I got him a couple of Ring cameras to put in his truck. Added bonus that I can log into our account and see the footage if I ever needed it (praying I never will)! He can log in to see the footage in our house also and it just makes me feel better when he is on the road. The only downside is that if he is in a remote area with no cell service, the cameras won’t work (they need his hot spot to function). He has some wild stories about the strange type of people he has encountered. He is former military and can take care of himself, but he says there are more single women truckers than you would think there would be and he has told them about getting cameras for their trucks. Most of the male truckers look out for the women truckers so that is a plus.
So when you are fleeing for your life, I have had a stalker that was VERY dangerous, and was finally put in jail for " terrorizing"and assault, you CANNOT think clearly! Which is why calling a Domestic VIolence Hotline and deal with people who take this seriously is the best option. Please everyone tell someone who comes to you with this issue to call a local Hotline!!!!!
I experienced a similar situation! When being stalked, you cannot think rationally. I would go on rants about topics that didn’t make sense, post weird stuff on social media, was so extremely paranoid, I literally thought someone was out to get me, and that everybody was watching me and somehow information was being shared with my stalker. It’s truly a terrifying and confusing state to exist in. I could totally see how the combination of events caused a manic state and that in state of confusion she fled her car and got lost. Not to mention it was hunting season!
Have you heard about the 50,000+ that have been senselessly executed by the I O F?!? Or about the 40+ BEHEADED BABIES that were a direct result of a precision missile strike on a REFUGEE TENT?! Oh well that’s probably because it doesn’t matter to @MileHigher
There is something wrong with tossing out her belongings. Yes, too painful to go through it immediately, but definitely makes sense to keep for future reference. Unforced error.
Or they know that she is okay and are helping her disappear. They also called off the search and they are saying that they believe her to be deceased. I think there is a high probability her family knows her location.
I love your podcast! I would love to see you guys talk about the disappearance of Brian Shaffer (2006). His case is so crazy and baffling. It would really be incredible if you had a guest speak who was with him that night. Or someone who knows his case very well. Maybe his brother. If he would ever want to speak publicly. Keep up the great work!
where do we make requests for videos? my friend has been missing for a couple years now and her case needs more attention!! She disappeared in Arizona as well and her mom thinks she went with a group of "lost kids" but the rest of her family thinks something worse happened. Her case needs more attention!!!
There's a link in the description where you can request a topic/case, same with any video on Kendall's channel she has a link for people close to the victim to request coverage, I truly hope Samantha gets more coverage on her case, I will keep her in my thoughts
I don’t know order of pictures/ interactions but what if the flower picture was her picking flowers because Roxy passed? Sad ending for the little one but would kinda make the picture make some sense. 🤷🏼♀️
I used to live in Sedona and I have never seen Gabriel. I did see a guy wearing a turtle ninja outfit who used to hang out by the McDonald’s. I then saw the turtle ninja suit man along 89A towards the Village of Oak Creek. There are a lot of spiritual people around Sedona and people who go there to “heal.” I wouldn’t be surprised if Chelsea ended up with one of those groups.
It’s odd that the family didn’t go through her belongings in the car. I know the cops investigated it, but family would be better at identifying if something in her belongings is was off…
Does nobody want to find this woman ??? Her gross boyfriend exploiting her disappearance with that go fund me and squatting in her home … and then her FAMILY not wanting to sort through her belongings ? This feels borderline negligent. It makes me so sad that someone whose chosen job was to help others isn’t getting any help herself .
The amount of ppl saying they’re excited and enjoyed this video is frightening. Even putting cheers emoji’s. I get True Crime cases are interesting, but these are REAL ppl. 💔
Its odd to me that the family just gave up so quickly and didnt even want any of her stuff... Maybe they know where she went? Who knows.. just strange...
I have a theory about the Bearded Dragon and the picture of the flowers. The flowers was for the Bearded Dragon. For some unknown reason it died. Maybe the clothes we see actually have the Bearded Dragon wrapped in it. The doors are open so she could dig thru the car. That way she could get the clothes and other things she needed to bury him. The flowers she picked was to place on his grave. It's just a theory I have, but I believe it's very possible.
In the most respectful way possible…. not sleeping for nine days and thinking someone is after you is kinda giving ✨meth psychosis✨ But on the other hand - she seemed very with the program when speaking to people (including the officers) during her travels. Even though we all know being in a cult can be (usually is) very dangerous - I welcome the idea considering the alternative
Maybe it was "just" regular old psychosis, whether due to prior meth use or due to organic reasons. Of course, knowing the ex was a meth dealer kinda indicates it was involved. But you're right, she was pretty well "together" on body cam, so this could go either way.
and taking out the sim card and being scared to use the debit card. i cant imagine the fear and paranoia she was experiencing with her abusive partner 😢
At first I was a bit disturbed by the family's behavior but taking all things into account, I wonder if maybe she did contact them eventually and she asked to remain "missing' to stay hidden from PJ. I could most certainly be wrong but it would make so much of their behavior and actions make sense if you think about it. They wouldn't want to invade her privacy by taking journals and personal belongings. They wouldn't continue pushing the search if they KNEW where she is and that she is okay. Maybe I'm just being hopeful but that was my take on the family in the end
I dont know why. This case reminds me of Bryce, the college student who was sern so many times by the police, the mechanic and his car was found, but not him, this is so sad 😢😢
The fact that the wood cutter and the retired police officer said that she quoted “no we’re fine”, makes me think they either did notice the bearded dragon or there was somebody else in the vehicle with her.
Also, how do we know that someone did not pick her the flowers and that is why she’s taking a picture of them and more than one door of the vehicle is open open? Food for thought
I've popped two tires hitting a curb, I wonder where they came up with that super improbable statistic, it seems very possible to pop two tires, especially on the same side
Lack of sleep can make you hallucinate, and eventually kill you. So the severe lack of sleep would cause behavior just as weird as if one were on drugs!
@@christabelle__Not sleeping at all for 9 days is drug induced; a body doesn't do that unless being forced by a substance or someone torturing them Also one would be unable to function, speak cogently etc if no sleep for 9 days
Kinda makes you wonder if she needed the money for something else and thought maybe if she told the real reason she needed it her mom would be less likely to give it?
well considering that hotels are hotbeds for sexual trafficking its not surprising its $1,000 a night Local motels, hotels are hotbeds for sex trafficking
Does anyone else think shes alive? I believe she is alive and contacted her family and told them shes fine and wants to stay low because of her abusive relationship with that guy. That explains the lack of interest her family is showing in this case.
While I was homeless in Ocean Beach, San Diego. I met Chelsea once briefly. She was in the women’s bathroom at the beach. I remember her because my son was looking at her dragon. Later on, I saw the creep PJ at the drum circle in Ocean Beach. He gave me some really bad vibes. If I’m not mistaken, he wasn’t very liked in Ocean Beach.
I grew in a Ash Fork AZ. And when this case first came out I did share it with everyone in that town. Hoping someone had seen her. There is a place out in Kibab AZ where she disappeared for those who want to stay off grid. It's called AZ Off Grid Living. I hope she is safe. Definitely not an area where human trafficking is high. That is false information. And its not impossible to pop 2 tires around that area. Her tires were not slashed. What Im wondering is why there was no search happening to find her.
What about the photo makes it 'chilling?' Is it only because it was the last photo taken? When I saw that picture I automatically assumed it was to commemorate where she buried the dragon. a 48+ hour trip in a car without enough food, entering hibernation... the poor thing must have been so uncomfortable, it would stand to reason that she didn't survive.
Oh that would make sense. I was thinking through the whole video that lizards don't really travel well. They need constant warmth and it gets cold af at night out where she was.
Bearded dragons can go long periods of time without food or water. They are native to Australia, a desert. They can travel just fine as long as they have a heat source, the top of your dash gets hot enough to warm them up and they can bask in natural sunlight. I know a couple of traveling bearded dragons and they are the happiest lizards.
I grew up in Arizona for 24 years and one of my favorite legends from Arizona is the Legend of the Lost Dutchmans Mine. Long story short, rumor has it that a man named The Lost Dutchman, hid a bunch of gold somewhere in the Superstition Mountains. And almost everyone that has gone looking for it, has either disappeared or been unalived in some mysterious ways
Btw, Arizona isn't all desert.. Williams specifically is a pretty dry pine forest, with some open dry plains, and at pretty high elevation.. and despite it being September/October in Arizona, itd only be in the high 70°s in the Williams area Just wanted that to be clarified, cause the stock images in this arent technically factual
I've had a beardie before and am a pet care specialist, beardies are SUPER chill and will just hang out on you if you've built that relationship. So if they didn't find it my guess is she was holding it whenever she was taken
I have only 2 theories that make the most sense to me. 1. Sadly, she came across someone with ill intent. She popped her tires, someone came along, offered her a ride, which is why she brought her ID, Roxy, sleeping bag and locked the car. Explains why there is no sign of a struggle, and why those odd things would be missing. 2. Her family knows where she is, and shes off the grid for her own safety from her ex. Explains why they aren't looking, and signs have been taken down. Its only been a few months, a family wouldn't just give up that quickly.
Arizonan here. Not to be that guy but Coconino is pronounced (CO-CO-Nee-NO) and Kendalls pronunciation of Prescott is correct. Terriblly sad case but, personally, it does sound as tho she left of her own accord and doesnt want to be found. And even tho her family hired a PI its weird they arent doing much else and immediately said shes dead. Especially after all the very specific sightings. Also I personally had 2 friends that grew up in cults here in AZ. One in the Coconino forest, too! Id love an episode on doomsday cults!!
AZ here. I've never been to Williams but my daughter's dad would go there for work and he always said that it's not a great area to visit and that he felt uncomfortable every time he went there. And thank you for correcting PRESKITT instead of Prescott. We can spot visitors on how they say it 😂
My boyfriends old best friend was in that cult! They are horrible! They set him up and put him in prison because he wanted to leave, he also married Gabriel's daughter. They are very scary!
It's super odd for her parents to get rid of her things. Firstly what if they had something useful in the case as the police may not pick up on it but parents or friends might, secondly she's only been gone months so why not keep her things in case she comes back and 3rd if your child went missing or worse wouldn't you want all their things? Even if you put them in a box and look when things are calmer.
Talking about the 1 in ten million chance of popping two tires at once is insane because I definitely popped both of my passenger tires when a cement truck ran me off the road😅. And that was just onto a curb and grass, so i definitely believe driving through all that rock could pop them both
Loved seeing how compassionate that cop was to her and I hope she’s found alive soon! 🙏🏻 I’ve had 2 encounters where a cop stopped me and both were so very nice and respectful. There are good, kind and compassionate cops out there that truly care.
When someone dies in a hospital, they usually leave the window open, so the soul can travel outside. Perhaps the photo where all the car doors were open was a farevell for the pet.
I know some places I’ve been to will accept other currencies, if it’s a small business and given her explaining her story, I don’t think there’s harm in asking.
Few things about the beardie: They dont hibernate. They can brumate and this is triggered by a drop in temperature. That said, they are originally from Australia and are from an arid climate. It would depend on how cold it got at night in Arizona over those few days. Impaction: Again they are from an arid, rock-sandish climate. Impactions happen due to improper nutrition & (more importantly) UVB/deep penatration heat. If they are getting those two things they should be able to digest properly. Activity Level: beardies can actually be very active and curious. It's possible she had him on a reptileash in the photo with the flowers. Otherwise it would be unwise to let him free roam as a beardie could 100% scamper away without you noticing.
I live in the Northern part of AZ, up near Flagstaff. As someone who has has hunted all over the State, I can in fact verify that there are multiple different groups of people who live in the middle of the woods, and out in the middle of the desert, Everywhere!! These people are terrifying and won’t think twice about hurting you just because you accidentally walked up on their camps.. 💔💔
I think she's gone underground to get away from PJ, and she was waiting for someone who was going to help her, and they walked out. Wasnt there a college student who went missing on a county road and they found his clothes everywhere and the police were very dismissive and his dads basically investigating it.
I think something bad happened to her. In any other case I can’t see why she’d leave the camera. That was practically her life, her life’s work. I don’t see her leaving it intentionally
Just ran out of lights out episodes, thought I’d pop over here. 😂 Love the content!! I’m rlly excited about hearing Kendall’s ideas and perspectives. And as a victim of the troubled teen industry and a wilderness survivor myself I’m definitely checking out that episode.
I think people are taking what the neighbors said about “wrecking” too literally..Some people consider going off the shoulder as wrecking. You can wreck and have minor damage. It makes sense if she did run off the shoulder and went into a gully... as long as she had some traction of the back tire she could have gotten out and later seen she had sustained damage..I could imagine that’s how she received the damage to her tires on the right side. I’ve done it before so I know it’s possible. Especially if this gully had been filled with jagged rocks in the bed of it. Your tires take time to deflate they don’t just pop always. Depending on the size of the rock that may have tore the wall of the tires would determine the time it took for them to completely go flat. So the eye witnesses shouldn’t be discounted at all. It’s entirely possible. I think people are hearing wreck and assuming that it’s going to show major damage md it’s not always the case
This is probably a silly thought, but I can't get it out of my head. I wonder if anyone has exchanged Euros in a local bank in the past six months? I'm just thinking, if Chelsea did end up in a commune, someone high up could have taken her money when she joined and cashed it in. I wonder if the hotel staff can remember how much € she offered them when she was trying to pay for a night? I'm not saying I believe this is what happened, but I hope it's been considered. I feel really awful for Chelsea.
I think it's pretty likely she could have joined a cult or commune in the area. The woman she was seen with in the restaurant could have been a member, maybe trying to make her feel comfortable with them before she actually joined up with them. She was trying to escape her abusive ex, and having been to those troubled youth camps in her childhood, she was probably more susceptible to the idea of joining a cult because she'd been in a similar environment in the past. It probably provided an escape and the kind of structure that she was used to. She clearly took a liking to the area and scenery, and it would explain leaving behind her possessions but taking the bearded dragon with her.
Being a addict myself one thing sticks out is the neighbor saying they where using meth and selling it normally addicts in relationships use together why would someone who is not using put up with someone who is using idk plus all the weird behaviors and asking her mother for money ? Idk just a thought
I am also an addict(former meth user) and as respectfully as possible, I can not imagine how she possibly did not use if her partner was using/selling. Maybe she wasn't actively using at the time, but maybe she was, either way her behavior is quite paranoid and odd. Doesn't change the tragedy of what happened to her whatsoever, just potentially puts things in perspective more IMO.
Hey Josh, just wanted to point out you first said that. Gabriel, the cult leader operated near Sedona. Jen then said their compound was outside of Tucson. Tucson is in Southern Arizona and Sedona is in Northern Arizona. Tucson is a lot more rural, but Sedona definitely attracts a more hippie crowd
I saw a list of missing kids from Az the other day. It was a crazy long list. AND the list was just kids missing from the past year. Arizona has become really wild.
I've seen part of the body cam footage before but seeing more of it, I'm even more enamored with this police officer. He's SO nice, and I know people have commented that this is how police officers should be and all, but he's really going the extra mile and if he is a newer officer, I really hope he manages to keep his compassion and kindness throughout his career. Kindness is in such short supply nowadays
Yes! I hope he doesn’t become jaded at all being on the job.
I hope he knows how much his kindness is appreciated.
agreed agreed
I totally agree with you100%
Dude the care and consideration from the police and supervisor has me in tears
Truly, serving and protecting. ❤
Sadly I was surprised to see it.
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Yea, I wonder why she didn't tell him about the ex bf stalking her.
@@stormiomalley7757I thought that was odd too
Okay this is the first body cam footage that didn't make me extremely anxious
😢🎉😢😂😢🎉😢🎉
I live in the area, and I hope this helps. Her car was found on Forest Road 6, in Kaibab Nat'l Forest. I know the area well. The forest roads in Kaibab are ROUGH. They are covered in ruts, and you cross cattle guards. For the FLAT TIRES, this area is volcanic rock. It is incredibly sharp. The volcanic rock is on the shoulder of every forest road in Kaibab. If she was driving at night, or too fast and hit the shoulder...that would pop the tires on the right. I've done this before. Also, I have Tmobile and AT&T. I get NO cell service in Kaibab, unless in sight of I-40. I-40 is heavily traveled, and is the northern AZ route to Vegas.
That is really good to know yeah🤔
I know I-40 well it’s a heavy trucker route. To be honest I’ve traveled I-40 a lot and never realized how close I was to the Grand Canyon.
I was thinking the same thing. Rocks will easily tear open the sidewall of a tire when off roading and if the road was lined with volcanic rock she could have easily gotten two flats either as you said or by simply trying to pull off to the side to take pictures or something and not knowing any better.
aw you can really tell that the Arizona cop got into that profession because he truly cares about people... I wonder if he has a daughter.. maybe he treated her the way he'd want another officer to treat his daughter. I bet he feels sad now knowing that she's missing.. hopefully he doesn't feel guilt "for not doing enough". he certainly did all that he could. ❤
I agree. He did all he could also while showing amazing empathy ❤
Agreed
Agreed but cops tend to be nicer to pretty young women
Agreed But cops tend to treat attractive young wyte women with a lot more compassion and kindness
@CallmeCalypso not really. Nicer than minorities, maybe. But missing women, or women who are stalked are ignored by cops.
That officer met her with such compassion ❤ I hope wherever she is, that was a little ray of hope for her.
I couldn't help comparing this with the completely horrific experience which poor Gabby Petito had with those Sheriff's officers who considered HER to be the aggressor.
I agree. I was super sus of the cop from the clip they released originally, but after hearing the whole body cam footage I feel very different
I know, he actually was a human being cop. 😊
Her saying that Roxie was "sleeping" to the cop could have just been a cover up to not alarm him that Roxie may have actually passed away? That could have also been the reason she was crying? Improper tempts, especially low ones WILL kill your bearded dragon and could have happened. What makes my suspicions grow more is the bouquet of flowers shes holding that following morning, they definitively give the impression of something you'd place on a grave.
To dive even deeper, improper care of a bearded dragon in its early years could cause an early death as well. Her boyfriend strikes me as someone who cared more about his "business" than his girlfriend and whose to say he was never caring for the beardie correctly to begin with.
Had to give my two cents as a reptile keeper! I hope justice can be found for Chelsea :(
Beardies can sleep but I think ur onto something I bet she fell into a hibernation state
Totally agree with that. Traveling with a beardie is hard. It’s definitely possible but it’s hard. Not enough UVB light and improper diet and temps can kill a beardie.
I know nothing about bearded dragons but I was thinking maybe the doors were all open because Roxie did die and maybe there was a smell? Just a thought, but I could 100% be wrong
I was thinking this same thing. I also noticed that the beardie looked rather overweight. Unfortunately improper beardie care is very common. Would not surprise me if Roxie died suddenly due to this.
@@DistressedCrowthat struck me right away as well. If she had a bearded dragon in the car it seemed odd to leave all the doors open and walk away.
OMG WHAT AN AMAZING OFFICER!
It almost makes me think her family KNOWS she is okay and stopped pushing the search bc she is afraid to be found due to the ex
I was thinking that as well
I hope you're right! ❤
Bingo
I completely agree! 👍🏻
Yes! That’s what I was gonna comment!
The police officer Blake was just the nicest! What a lovely person
I'm 32 and went to a troubled teen program in UT from 2006-2008. I still suffer from PTSD as a result. We're only now beginning to realize just how many grow up to have troubled lives after these programs and often go missing in adulthood. Many of the girls at my program have either committed suicide or have disappeared to never be seen again.
What happens in there?
@@IndigoCave28 mile higher has an episode about it
Sending you so much love
@@IndigoCave28there’s a Netflix documentary.
So sorry you had to go through that!
How could you not go through your missing loved ones belongings to possibly find clues? Also, my daughter flattened two tiresat the same time. So i don't find that suspicious. Wow! They discarded 12 years of her journals? Why?
Connecticut people are snobs
As a beardie owner, she was just trying her best to protect and care for her baby 😢❤
As a leopard gecko mom I agree!
Bearded dragons are so cute, I hope Chelsea and her precious baby Roxy are still together and alive 😢 ❤
I am an animal lover of all kinds and my heart just breaks that something may have happened to her beautiful lizard. I hope they are both safe.
I miss my bearded dragon toady :(
@@frightfright3843 Sorry for your loss 😟 My sister had a bearded dragon named Ozzi. Unfortunately a woman mom was allowing to stay with us for a while fed Ozzi to her cat and this devastated my sister. Mom kicked the woman out and never let her or her pets in the house again. Mom continued to babysit the woman's kids but when she picked up the boys, they would go outside to their mother by the car. It has been over a decade and my sister still hasn't gotten another lizard.
why wasn’t the family more involved ? why was the search canceled ONLY after two weeks?? i’m so confused if my loved one went missing id never stop looking
granted i’m only 30 mins in so i may be speaking too early but we’ll see
They didn’t retrieve her vehicle either- it was impounded and they let them sell it.
Resources perhaps
Yeah I can see why she’d block them when having a hard time, they don’t seem to care or support her
I am not trying to judge them but if that was my sister... I would NEVER let her things go. Her camera? Her car? Journals? never in a million years. Ig it's hard to know what the family dynamics might have been. 😢 Poor Chelsea.
My husband is a long haul trucker and I was shocked when he told me that Love’s doesn’t have CCTV facing the parking areas. I had just said to him that I was glad he chose to stay somewhere safe with camera coverage (thinking of course that they would have them for safety). When he told me that not many truck stops had security cameras outside, my son and I got him a couple of Ring cameras to put in his truck. Added bonus that I can log into our account and see the footage if I ever needed it (praying I never will)! He can log in to see the footage in our house also and it just makes me feel better when he is on the road. The only downside is that if he is in a remote area with no cell service, the cameras won’t work (they need his hot spot to function). He has some wild stories about the strange type of people he has encountered. He is former military and can take care of himself, but he says there are more single women truckers than you would think there would be and he has told them about getting cameras for their trucks. Most of the male truckers look out for the women truckers so that is a plus.
So when you are fleeing for your life, I have had a stalker that was VERY dangerous, and was finally put in jail for " terrorizing"and assault, you CANNOT think clearly! Which is why calling a Domestic VIolence Hotline and deal with people who take this seriously is the best option. Please everyone tell someone who comes to you with this issue to call a local Hotline!!!!!
I manage a Domestic Violence Shelter! Thank you so much for your comment! ❤ We are here!!
I second this.
I experienced a similar situation! When being stalked, you cannot think rationally. I would go on rants about topics that didn’t make sense, post weird stuff on social media, was so extremely paranoid, I literally thought someone was out to get me, and that everybody was watching me and somehow information was being shared with my stalker. It’s truly a terrifying and confusing state to exist in. I could totally see how the combination of events caused a manic state and that in state of confusion she fled her car and got lost. Not to mention it was hunting season!
Thank you for bringing attention to this case, I’d never heard Chelsea’s story before.
Have you heard about the 50,000+ that have been senselessly executed by the I O F?!? Or about the 40+ BEHEADED BABIES that were a direct result of a precision missile strike on a REFUGEE TENT?! Oh well that’s probably because it doesn’t matter to @MileHigher
There is something wrong with tossing out her belongings. Yes, too painful to go through it immediately, but definitely makes sense to keep for future reference. Unforced error.
Not to mention, imagine if she is out there and now she’s coming back to all her stuff gone.
Yeah, idk I couldn't do that
Yes, this horrified me.
right? idu why LE didn't keep it!
Or they know that she is okay and are helping her disappear. They also called off the search and they are saying that they believe her to be deceased. I think there is a high probability her family knows her location.
I love your podcast! I would love to see you guys talk about the disappearance of Brian Shaffer (2006). His case is so crazy and baffling. It would really be incredible if you had a guest speak who was with him that night. Or someone who knows his case very well. Maybe his brother. If he would ever want to speak publicly. Keep up the great work!
Brian was from my town in Ohio where I grew up as a teenager! He lived here before my time and his case has never left my mind ever since hearing it.
@@hellokittydoll2794 same here! I’ve been keeping up with it for years. It’s insane
I second this case request 💓
@@valentinakren8816 it would definitely be a fascinating one
I third this request! Brian's disappearance is my Roman Empire, because wow!
That cop, Blake was so freaking sweet omg. What a compassionate soul. And her bearded dragon was SOO cute!!
what a nice police officer :) he was so helpful and kind!
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williams is a really small sweet town, not surprised they had such a kind officer
I love how respectful you both are when you discuss these matters. Thanks. ❤
where do we make requests for videos? my friend has been missing for a couple years now and her case needs more attention!! She disappeared in Arizona as well and her mom thinks she went with a group of "lost kids" but the rest of her family thinks something worse happened. Her case needs more attention!!!
@nottherealrabbit Samantha Atnip- she’s on the national missing persons list as well.
There's a link in the description where you can request a topic/case, same with any video on Kendall's channel she has a link for people close to the victim to request coverage, I truly hope Samantha gets more coverage on her case, I will keep her in my thoughts
@@jenna5263 thank you so much!
I don’t know order of pictures/ interactions but what if the flower picture was her picking flowers because Roxy passed? Sad ending for the little one but would kinda make the picture make some sense. 🤷🏼♀️
I thought this too!
The feeling I got from that picture was... funeral. 😔
I used to live in Sedona and I have never seen Gabriel. I did see a guy wearing a turtle ninja outfit who used to hang out by the McDonald’s. I then saw the turtle ninja suit man along 89A towards the Village of Oak Creek. There are a lot of spiritual people around Sedona and people who go there to “heal.” I wouldn’t be surprised if Chelsea ended up with one of those groups.
Williams is my home town! My dad spent hours out with crews looking for her :(
It’s odd that the family didn’t go through her belongings in the car. I know the cops investigated it, but family would be better at identifying if something in her belongings is was off…
Does nobody want to find this woman ??? Her gross boyfriend exploiting her disappearance with that go fund me and squatting in her home … and then her FAMILY not wanting to sort through her belongings ? This feels borderline negligent. It makes me so sad that someone whose chosen job was to help others isn’t getting any help herself .
41:17 41:17 41:17 41:17 😢
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Maybe her family helped her disappear to get her away from her boyfriend. That's why they didn't need to go through her stuff.
i’ve been following this case since she went missing, and i hope she’s still with us somewhere. ♥️♥️♥️
Me too! It’s so sad. Her family is very bizarre too
The amount of ppl saying they’re excited and enjoyed this video is frightening. Even putting cheers emoji’s. I get True Crime cases are interesting, but these are REAL ppl. 💔
I was JUST thinking I needed something to watch. hi y'all!
Its odd to me that the family just gave up so quickly and didnt even want any of her stuff... Maybe they know where she went? Who knows.. just strange...
The photo with the flowers could be her burying Roxy, especially with all the car doors open
I thought that too
I was thinking the same thing.
Did they check for a buried bearded dragon near the flower photo???
I hope so, because that picture was giving funeral...
I have a theory about the Bearded Dragon and the picture of the flowers. The flowers was for the Bearded Dragon. For some unknown reason it died. Maybe the clothes we see actually have the Bearded Dragon wrapped in it. The doors are open so she could dig thru the car. That way she could get the clothes and other things she needed to bury him. The flowers she picked was to place on his grave. It's just a theory I have, but I believe it's very possible.
In the most respectful way possible…. not sleeping for nine days and thinking someone is after you is kinda giving ✨meth psychosis✨
But on the other hand - she seemed very with the program when speaking to people (including the officers) during her travels.
Even though we all know being in a cult can be (usually is) very dangerous - I welcome the idea considering the alternative
Maybe it was "just" regular old psychosis, whether due to prior meth use or due to organic reasons.
Of course, knowing the ex was a meth dealer kinda indicates it was involved. But you're right, she was pretty well "together" on body cam, so this could go either way.
and taking out the sim card and being scared to use the debit card. i cant imagine the fear and paranoia she was experiencing with her abusive partner 😢
I'm struggling to understand her family. 😢
At first I was a bit disturbed by the family's behavior but taking all things into account, I wonder if maybe she did contact them eventually and she asked to remain "missing' to stay hidden from PJ. I could most certainly be wrong but it would make so much of their behavior and actions make sense if you think about it. They wouldn't want to invade her privacy by taking journals and personal belongings. They wouldn't continue pushing the search if they KNEW where she is and that she is okay. Maybe I'm just being hopeful but that was my take on the family in the end
Probably so used to her drug addicted behavior. I have a sister who pulls this mess and you eventually stop caring and worrying for your own sanity.
@@mariemarie3999I must have missed the part where she was a chronic drug addict. 🤔
@EMILYHERRERA you don't hang out with tweekers if you aren't tweeking
I dont know why. This case reminds me of Bryce, the college student who was sern so many times by the police, the mechanic and his car was found, but not him, this is so sad 😢😢
What a great, kind officer. Good vibes to him!
The fact that the wood cutter and the retired police officer said that she quoted “no we’re fine”, makes me think they either did notice the bearded dragon or there was somebody else in the vehicle with her.
Also, how do we know that someone did not pick her the flowers and that is why she’s taking a picture of them and more than one door of the vehicle is open open? Food for thought
I've popped two tires hitting a curb, I wonder where they came up with that super improbable statistic, it seems very possible to pop two tires, especially on the same side
Um…… no one is saying this, but could she still have been using? It would explain a few things….
Thinking the same thing
Not sleeping for nine days..
Lack of sleep can make you hallucinate, and eventually kill you. So the severe lack of sleep would cause behavior just as weird as if one were on drugs!
@@christabelle__Not sleeping at all for 9 days is drug induced; a body doesn't do that unless being forced by a substance or someone torturing them
Also one would be unable to function, speak cogently etc if no sleep for 9 days
Only smoking marijuana according to the police recording.
I think it’s strange she asked her mom to pay for a hotel at a place that’s $1000 a night!
Kinda makes you wonder if she needed the money for something else and thought maybe if she told the real reason she needed it her mom would be less likely to give it?
well considering that hotels are hotbeds for sexual trafficking its not surprising its $1,000 a night Local motels, hotels are hotbeds for sex trafficking
Thank you for always posting! Yesterday The Sesh, today Mile Higher, tomorrow Lights Out. Love you guys ❤️
Does anyone else think shes alive? I believe she is alive and contacted her family and told them shes fine and wants to stay low because of her abusive relationship with that guy. That explains the lack of interest her family is showing in this case.
I agree with this...
That officer seemed so sweet and genuinely just wanted to make sure she was okay
yes do a show on arizona cults!
Yes!
Please!!
I will watch!!
Great idea!!!
While I was homeless in Ocean Beach, San Diego. I met Chelsea once briefly. She was in the women’s bathroom at the beach. I remember her because my son was looking at her dragon. Later on, I saw the creep PJ at the drum circle in Ocean Beach. He gave me some really bad vibes. If I’m not mistaken, he wasn’t very liked in Ocean Beach.
It’s only been 6 months! Really weird that the parents have gave up already and didn’t want her things… it’s extremely weird.
I grew in a Ash Fork AZ. And when this case first came out I did share it with everyone in that town. Hoping someone had seen her. There is a place out in Kibab AZ where she disappeared for those who want to stay off grid. It's called AZ Off Grid Living. I hope she is safe. Definitely not an area where human trafficking is high. That is false information. And its not impossible to pop 2 tires around that area. Her tires were not slashed. What Im wondering is why there was no search happening to find her.
I would love to see an episode or two about cults. It’s fascinating how they get formed any why people join them
What about the photo makes it 'chilling?' Is it only because it was the last photo taken? When I saw that picture I automatically assumed it was to commemorate where she buried the dragon. a 48+ hour trip in a car without enough food, entering hibernation... the poor thing must have been so uncomfortable, it would stand to reason that she didn't survive.
Oh that would make sense. I was thinking through the whole video that lizards don't really travel well. They need constant warmth and it gets cold af at night out where she was.
It was convenient for the title lol
@@mikesanders8621 Yup. Gotta get those views.
Bearded dragons can go long periods of time without food or water. They are native to Australia, a desert. They can travel just fine as long as they have a heat source, the top of your dash gets hot enough to warm them up and they can bask in natural sunlight. I know a couple of traveling bearded dragons and they are the happiest lizards.
I grew up in Arizona for 24 years and one of my favorite legends from Arizona is the Legend of the Lost Dutchmans Mine. Long story short, rumor has it that a man named The Lost Dutchman, hid a bunch of gold somewhere in the Superstition Mountains. And almost everyone that has gone looking for it, has either disappeared or been unalived in some mysterious ways
Always good to see Kendall and Josh.
They make my day!❤
Btw, Arizona isn't all desert.. Williams specifically is a pretty dry pine forest, with some open dry plains, and at pretty high elevation.. and despite it being September/October in Arizona, itd only be in the high 70°s in the Williams area
Just wanted that to be clarified, cause the stock images in this arent technically factual
I usually bend over backwards to defend people's actions in a crisis, but her family's behaviour is extremely strange
I've had a beardie before and am a pet care specialist, beardies are SUPER chill and will just hang out on you if you've built that relationship. So if they didn't find it my guess is she was holding it whenever she was taken
I have only 2 theories that make the most sense to me.
1. Sadly, she came across someone with ill intent. She popped her tires, someone came along, offered her a ride, which is why she brought her ID, Roxy, sleeping bag and locked the car. Explains why there is no sign of a struggle, and why those odd things would be missing.
2. Her family knows where she is, and shes off the grid for her own safety from her ex. Explains why they aren't looking, and signs have been taken down. Its only been a few months, a family wouldn't just give up that quickly.
Disappearance cases are my favorite kind of videos that you cover in the non weirdest way.
Arizonan here. Not to be that guy but Coconino is pronounced (CO-CO-Nee-NO) and Kendalls pronunciation of Prescott is correct.
Terriblly sad case but, personally, it does sound as tho she left of her own accord and doesnt want to be found. And even tho her family hired a PI its weird they arent doing much else and immediately said shes dead. Especially after all the very specific sightings.
Also I personally had 2 friends that grew up in cults here in AZ. One in the Coconino forest, too! Id love an episode on doomsday cults!!
When Josh said it the other way, it hurt my ears! Lol
AZ here. I've never been to Williams but my daughter's dad would go there for work and he always said that it's not a great area to visit and that he felt uncomfortable every time he went there. And thank you for correcting PRESKITT instead of Prescott. We can spot visitors on how they say it 😂
It’s odd to me that she hung out in the area for so long
You guys should look into twelve tribes and their connection to the marshal fire in superior co. They have a commune just outside of boulder.
My boyfriends old best friend was in that cult! They are horrible! They set him up and put him in prison because he wanted to leave, he also married Gabriel's daughter. They are very scary!
Could you expand on “horrible”?
It's super odd for her parents to get rid of her things. Firstly what if they had something useful in the case as the police may not pick up on it but parents or friends might, secondly she's only been gone months so why not keep her things in case she comes back and 3rd if your child went missing or worse wouldn't you want all their things? Even if you put them in a box and look when things are calmer.
Talking about the 1 in ten million chance of popping two tires at once is insane because I definitely popped both of my passenger tires when a cement truck ran me off the road😅. And that was just onto a curb and grass, so i definitely believe driving through all that rock could pop them both
Thank you guys 🍀
Get well soon, Jenelle! 🍀
Even though I hope she’s not in a cult, I would rather her be there alive and safe than the alternative
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I can’t express how interested I am in the set up/preparation and execution of the podcasts yall put together, they’re done so well!!
Currently on my break at work, just got off from a two hour meeting/training. Eating pizza and enjoying this video. Happy Thursday everyone!
Loved seeing how compassionate that cop was to her and I hope she’s found alive soon! 🙏🏻 I’ve had 2 encounters where a cop stopped me and both were so very nice and respectful. There are good, kind and compassionate cops out there that truly care.
I can’t wait to listen to this on my drive today!
Please talk about the Mica Miller case, she still needs justice!!!
Yes please!
When someone dies in a hospital, they usually leave the window open, so the soul can travel outside. Perhaps the photo where all the car doors were open was a farevell for the pet.
❤❤❤❤ thanks for the video, guys!
Thank you for putting this out. You are correct, it has faded online. Professional, very well presented.
Thanks for bringing this case up...its been too long. Hope this brings some awareness back to the case. sad that it has gone so cold
I know some places I’ve been to will accept other currencies, if it’s a small business and given her explaining her story, I don’t think there’s harm in asking.
So glad you guys covered this case. Been following it closely as possible and everything kind of died down.
Few things about the beardie:
They dont hibernate. They can brumate and this is triggered by a drop in temperature. That said, they are originally from Australia and are from an arid climate. It would depend on how cold it got at night in Arizona over those few days.
Impaction: Again they are from an arid, rock-sandish climate. Impactions happen due to improper nutrition & (more importantly) UVB/deep penatration heat. If they are getting those two things they should be able to digest properly.
Activity Level: beardies can actually be very active and curious. It's possible she had him on a reptileash in the photo with the flowers. Otherwise it would be unwise to let him free roam as a beardie could 100% scamper away without you noticing.
I live in the Northern part of AZ, up near Flagstaff. As someone who has has hunted all over the State, I can in fact verify that there are multiple different groups of people who live in the middle of the woods, and out in the middle of the desert, Everywhere!! These people are terrifying and won’t think twice about hurting you just because you accidentally walked up on their camps.. 💔💔
If she was seen with a man and a woman before her disappearance, is it possible that she was abducted by a couple?!
I think she's gone underground to get away from PJ, and she was waiting for someone who was going to help her, and they walked out. Wasnt there a college student who went missing on a county road and they found his clothes everywhere and the police were very dismissive and his dads basically investigating it.
8,000 miles a year?! She ain't driving AT ALL!!!!!!!!!
I've had a lot of bearded dragons and their poop smells horrible. That would definitely be a reason to air out the car.
I think something bad happened to her. In any other case I can’t see why she’d leave the camera. That was practically her life, her life’s work. I don’t see her leaving it intentionally
Just ran out of lights out episodes, thought I’d pop over here. 😂 Love the content!! I’m rlly excited about hearing Kendall’s ideas and perspectives. And as a victim of the troubled teen industry and a wilderness survivor myself I’m definitely checking out that episode.
I think people are taking what the neighbors said about “wrecking” too literally..Some people consider going off the shoulder as wrecking. You can wreck and have minor damage. It makes sense if she did run off the shoulder and went into a gully... as long as she had some traction of the back tire she could have gotten out and later seen she had sustained damage..I could imagine that’s how she received the damage to her tires on the right side. I’ve done it before so I know it’s possible. Especially if this gully had been filled with jagged rocks in the bed of it. Your tires take time to deflate they don’t just pop always. Depending on the size of the rock that may have tore the wall of the tires would determine the time it took for them to completely go flat. So the eye witnesses shouldn’t be discounted at all. It’s entirely possible. I think people are hearing wreck and assuming that it’s going to show major damage md it’s not always the case
I would love a series about different cults that are currently active. You guys could shed a lot of light on a lot of shady groups!!
This is probably a silly thought, but I can't get it out of my head. I wonder if anyone has exchanged Euros in a local bank in the past six months? I'm just thinking, if Chelsea did end up in a commune, someone high up could have taken her money when she joined and cashed it in.
I wonder if the hotel staff can remember how much € she offered them when she was trying to pay for a night?
I'm not saying I believe this is what happened, but I hope it's been considered. I feel really awful for Chelsea.
this case reminds me a lot of the Bryce Laspisa case
I think it's pretty likely she could have joined a cult or commune in the area. The woman she was seen with in the restaurant could have been a member, maybe trying to make her feel comfortable with them before she actually joined up with them. She was trying to escape her abusive ex, and having been to those troubled youth camps in her childhood, she was probably more susceptible to the idea of joining a cult because she'd been in a similar environment in the past. It probably provided an escape and the kind of structure that she was used to. She clearly took a liking to the area and scenery, and it would explain leaving behind her possessions but taking the bearded dragon with her.
Love watching the two of you working together:)
Being a addict myself one thing sticks out is the neighbor saying they where using meth and selling it normally addicts in relationships use together why would someone who is not using put up with someone who is using idk plus all the weird behaviors and asking her mother for money ? Idk just a thought
I am also an addict(former meth user) and as respectfully as possible, I can not imagine how she possibly did not use if her partner was using/selling. Maybe she wasn't actively using at the time, but maybe she was, either way her behavior is quite paranoid and odd. Doesn't change the tragedy of what happened to her whatsoever, just potentially puts things in perspective more IMO.
Hope that cop didn’t get in trouble for speaking so freely
that office was so kind and helpful, it’s nice to see good body cam footage for once
Get well soon Janelle ❤
Josh is great at explaining things he could probably teach me rocket science and I would understand. Love the podcast
Hey Josh, just wanted to point out you first said that. Gabriel, the cult leader operated near Sedona. Jen then said their compound was outside of Tucson. Tucson is in Southern Arizona and Sedona is in Northern Arizona. Tucson is a lot more rural, but Sedona definitely attracts a more hippie crowd
This is about an hour from where I live. AZ is so close to the border, a lot of people go missing.
I saw a list of missing kids from Az the other day. It was a crazy long list. AND the list was just kids missing from the past year. Arizona has become really wild.