Ptolemy’s Theorem and the Almagest: we just found the best visual proof in 2000 years

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  • @Claudius_Ptolemy
    @Claudius_Ptolemy 2 місяці тому +447

    Thanks for making a video about my theorem!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +120

      Pleased to make your acquaintance :)

    • @seventhtenth
      @seventhtenth 2 місяці тому +19

      when worlds collide you can't deny when worlds collide

    • @obinator9065
      @obinator9065 2 місяці тому +5

      nice

    • @nitayg1326
      @nitayg1326 2 місяці тому +4

      Congrats 👏

    • @johanclaes8546
      @johanclaes8546 2 місяці тому +11

      Numberphile also a Ptolemy video 4 years ago, featuring Zvezdelina Stankova. Also enthusiastic, but with very different twists.

  • @benpaz9548
    @benpaz9548 2 місяці тому +130

    A day with a new Mathologer video is a better day

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +33

      For me a day with a new Mathologer video is the day I start working on the next Mathologer video :)

    • @klausolekristiansen2960
      @klausolekristiansen2960 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Mathologer Please keep it that way.

  • @jotch_7627
    @jotch_7627 2 місяці тому +24

    im already a big fan of long-form content in general, but this channel has such a distinct and enjoyable format that it easily sits in the top of the list. instead of continually building to a large and complex problem/explanation, its like you meander through a selection of related small problems that can be appreciated on their own or as a collective. it makes them very nice to watch and rewatch

  • @josephyoung6749
    @josephyoung6749 2 місяці тому +52

    Didn't learn about Ptolemy's theorem until my late 20's, well after having learned calculus and other pretty sophisticated algebraic properties up through grade school and all. Should have been the first thing I learned.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +17

      Yes, as I said a real scandal :(

  • @kajdronm.8887
    @kajdronm.8887 2 місяці тому +32

    What could go wrong at 28:16 ?
    The corner, where the three tetrahedrons meet, corresponds to a spherical triangle.
    The side lengths of wich are the angle wich meet there. These side length have to conform the triangle inequality, otherwise the corner can't be form.
    Lucky as we are, the angles are just the angles of the corner, where the lower case edges meet. So all is fine.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +10

      Exactly, you are the first one to figure that out (and leave a comment :)

  • @JCOpUntukIndonesia
    @JCOpUntukIndonesia 2 місяці тому +11

    I've now realized how easy it is to miss the edge cases when using visual proof.
    It's a crucial lesson in mathematical proof. I'll keep in mind when I'm dealing with visual proof in the future.
    Thank you for the beautiful insight professor. Yet another gem you've shared with us 🎉

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +4

      Glad you picked on this aspect of the video to comment on. It's a point that's really not made very often :)

  • @jacemandt
    @jacemandt 2 місяці тому +27

    The 2nd of the basic geometry theorems (that the inscribed angle is half the measure of the subtended arc) can also be used to easily prove the 1st: two opposite angles of a cyclic quadrilateral subtend arcs that clearly add to the entire circle, and their measures would then add to half of a circle, or 180°.

    • @guiorgy
      @guiorgy 2 місяці тому

      This is how I remember it

  • @christymccullough7306
    @christymccullough7306 2 місяці тому +27

    Shhhhh.... they don't want us knowing these things, hahaha. Thank goodness you are here!!!! What a time to be alive!!!

  • @williamhutchins8423
    @williamhutchins8423 2 місяці тому +9

    When he flipped that triangle for the difference rule 14:07 I almost jumped out of my seat, Great work as always !

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +2

      Actually that particular transition between the two formulas occured to me while making the video :)

  • @ibbiradar2419
    @ibbiradar2419 2 місяці тому +8

    After preparing for competitive math Olympiads i hated geometry, this video has shown me the true light of how beautiful it is.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +3

      Yes, I've seen a lot of Olympiad books that, in the way they treat geometric proofs, really butcher the beauty of the ideas involved. A real pity :(

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +3

      Here is a nice application of Ptolemy's theorem to a Olympiad problem ua-cam.com/video/NHjtHOE1lks/v-deo.html

    • @ibbiradar2419
      @ibbiradar2419 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Mathologer Thank you so much sir for being so considerate, unfortunately i was unable to clear the Olympiad i was preparing for, but yet thanks to your videos my love for mathematics has not died down and hopefully never will.

  • @Anmol_Sinha
    @Anmol_Sinha 2 місяці тому +14

    This was an amazing video. Ptolemy theorem is one of my fav theorems now!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +5

      Glad this video worked so well for you. Now make sure to also tell all your friends (and enemies) about Ptolelmy :)

  • @blackholesun4942
    @blackholesun4942 2 місяці тому +11

    00:00 intro.
    04:30 Geometry 101
    08:20 Applications
    (Very excited to watch the whole thing!)
    By the way, what are the notes being played in the piano jingle at the start? Thanks in advance 😁

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +6

      You are probably reminded of Kate Bush's Babooshka?

    • @blackholesun4942
      @blackholesun4942 2 місяці тому +3

      ​@@Mathologer yeah there is a similar melody in that song!

  • @nicolaslj
    @nicolaslj 2 місяці тому +9

    Your videos never disappoint, great work. This proof reminded me of that for the Pythagorean theorem that we take 3 copies, scale and bring together.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +6

      Rainer told me that he was actually inspired by that proof after I showed it in one of my videos :)

    • @Supremebubble
      @Supremebubble 2 місяці тому

      I am Rainer, and yes the video was exactly what inspired me :D It was a literal heureka moment where something suddenly struck me and all dots connected.

    • @andrewkepert923
      @andrewkepert923 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Supremebubble this connection doesn’t surprise me - it is my favourite Pythagoras theorem proof. … and nice work on nerd-sniping Burkard.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      Andrew, mathematically what keeps you awake at night these days ? :)

  • @PC_Simo
    @PC_Simo Місяць тому +2

    24:30 For a while, I struggled with figuring out, why the ”>”-sign can’t become a ”/= Cc. Very satisfying, I must say. 😌

    • @PC_Simo
      @PC_Simo День тому +1

      *_*Specification:_* I, of course, mean: ”Aa+Bb ≥ Cc”, with: ”Aa+Bb >/= Cc”. But the symbol: ”≥” wasn’t part of my iPhone’s repertoire, at the time; before I copied it (from Wikipedia, I think); and I’m not gonna edit my original comment and lose my heart (❤). 😅

  • @NoLongerBreathedIn
    @NoLongerBreathedIn 2 місяці тому +7

    Note that a proof of an equality that only works in a special case that's still sufficiently generic (in other words, where there are just as many free variables in the special case as in a generic situation) can often be generalized by analytic continuation. Inequalities need more careful handling.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      That's right and to be honest I am not really worried about focussing on sufficiently general specific cases in explanations. Just thought that it would be a good idea to spell out that this is what everybody is doing almost by default :)

    • @MichaelRothwell1
      @MichaelRothwell1 2 місяці тому

      I thought of analytic continuation also. This gives comfort when proving the compound angle formulae for sine and cosine, for example, given that the diagrams used in any proof only apply in very limited cases. Of course, I don't mention this to my students! On the other hand, when proving the sine and cosine rules, I do separate diagrams and proofs for the the cases of acute and obtuse angled triangles.

  • @shmupshmuppewpew5260
    @shmupshmuppewpew5260 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for this clear explanation. As a non-mathematician I could still follow along and appreciate the elegance of the math here.
    Also, your little giggle at 5:52 sent me. I love your enthusiasm!

  • @mfaynberg
    @mfaynberg 2 місяці тому +1

    Mr. Burkard, first of all thank you so much for your Mathologer channel. It is wonderful. I enjoy each and every video and keep waiting for the next one :) I would like to share one thought I've got after watching the latest episode about the Ptolemy's theorem - suspecting it is quite trivial and seems different to me only - for which I apologize in advance. Here is what I thought: the Ptolemy's imparity can be generalized a little bit. Let say, we have a quadrilateral - any in fact. Add the diagonals, i.e. get all vertices mutually connected. We will have a number of line segments (original shape's sides and diagonals). Now split those in pairs such that the segments in each pair would not have common vertices. Then apply that naming convention you've been using in your video, where one pair would have A and a segment, the next - B and b, and C and c. Then it seems that the rule Aa+Bb>=Cc will hold despite which pair is a''s, b's or c's, that is c-pair should not necessarily be of the diagonals. And it is pretty obvious based on the proof you have presented. Then, the case of equality follows with all vertices located on a circle, and c-pair being the diagonals. Thank you so much for your time - and again sorry for being not enough educated to recognize a trivial result. Am already waiting for your next video! Best regards, Mike Faynberg

  • @harrybarrow6222
    @harrybarrow6222 2 місяці тому +1

    When I learned about imaginary numbers and their exponentials, it became much easier to remember and derive the angle sum formulae.

  • @yinq5384
    @yinq5384 2 місяці тому

    Wonderful video as always! The 3D-to-2D continuity argument is brilliant!
    10:42 Let θ=pi/7, the identity ⟺ 1/sin3θ+1/sin2θ=1/sinθ ⟺ sinθsin2θ+sinθsin3θ=sin2θsin3θ
    ⟺ (cosθ-cos3θ)+(cos2θ-cos4θ)=cosθ-cos5θ ⟺ cos2θ+cos5θ=cos3θ+cos4θ ⟺ 0=0.
    P.S: Not long after I wrote down the proof above, I saw the relation between the trig identities and Ptolemy's thm in the video. :P
    13:30 We can move the top vertex to be antipodal to the bottom-left vertex, and the angle remains α+β. Thus the chord's length is sin(α+β).
    19:50 We can consider the two smallest equal angles to be negative, then the red angle is still the "sum" of two angles and the argument works as before.
    28:12 They fit together because the three angles at the vertex "inside" Aa, Bb and Cc are exactly the same as those at the pink vertex (from 27:52).

  • @gaetanomontante5161
    @gaetanomontante5161 2 місяці тому +1

    Oh, how I miss the days when such elegant demonstrations would come sooth my brain like butter on hot toast...

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Well, these days I am aiming to feed something like this to a brain like yours once every four or five weeks :)

    • @gaetanomontante5161
      @gaetanomontante5161 2 місяці тому

      @@Mathologer ❤

  • @a6hiji7
    @a6hiji7 2 місяці тому

    One of the best channels! Just good quality content that requires focus and thinking. 🙏

  • @_majortom_
    @_majortom_ 2 місяці тому

    your videos are becoming more and more magical. thank you for doing this.

  • @Alexander-Bunyip
    @Alexander-Bunyip 2 місяці тому +10

    You are very special.
    Thank you.

  • @lazarbaruch
    @lazarbaruch 2 місяці тому

    Sensational presentation. Just 3 points.
    1) The sine notation, which makes such neat formulas, was invented by Indian mathematicians. Prolemey's trigonometry was much more cumbersome as he used the chord instead of the sinus. I am sure you know this, but maybe it is important to emphasize this to clarify what a great mathematician Ptolemy was.
    2) I would recommend also the 2 books by Aaboe that were my introduction to the subject:
    Aaboe - Early episodes in the history of mathematics
    Aaboe - Early episodes in the history of astronomy
    3) What tool do you use for drawing production?

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      I mentioned that it's really a table of chords at the beginning :) I was tossing up whether or not to go into more details in this respect but decided against it. Definitely all very interesting but when it comes to crafting a story that flows nicely it's important to pick and choose wisely what to explain in detail, what to only hint at and what to not mention at all.

  • @paulhansen5053
    @paulhansen5053 2 місяці тому

    Thanks much for another wonderful, excellent video. Equality and inequality are powerful subjects, and can have quantitative (applied math?) as well as qualitative (pure math?) aspects. For an arbitrary set of 4 planar vertexes, choose any subset of 3 which then specify a circle. The 4th vertex is either on the circle, if Ptolemy's formula gives zero, or non-cyclic if non-zero. My conjecture (wish I had time to work on it) is that the non-zero result gives the "degree of non-cyclicness" and maybe inside/outside measure of distance to the circle.
    This is related to what may be the simplest geometric equality, the standard form of the line equation. I think that early students don't get the more exciting introduction; the focus tends to be on the slope-intercept form and graphing of functions, helpful but rather boring. Strangely, they short-shrift the general form, and even get students to derive it from the slope-intercept form! But, the general form is much more useful, and is derived more simply by a cross-product type formula of the endpoint coordinates. The resulting Ax + By + C = 0 is then a formula -- if you plug in a point it gives zero if it's on the line, but if >0 then the point is on the right side of the line, on the left if

  • @diddykong3100
    @diddykong3100 2 місяці тому

    Kudos to Rainer for a lovely proof. The opposite angles of a cyclic quadrilateral adding up to a half turn is easily obtained, even when the quadrilateral all lies on one side of the centre, by remembering to draw the diagonal connecting the two corners we're not looking at; this is a chord, that subtends at each of the corners not on it half the angle it subtends at the centre, on the relevant side; and they're on opposite sides, so those two angles at the centre add up to a whole turn, so the opposite-corner-angles add up to half that, so half a turn.

  • @KettaTabuAaron-n9e
    @KettaTabuAaron-n9e 2 місяці тому +3

    Thanks a lot mathologer...
    But I'm badly missing videos on number theory and algebra... You seem to have gone full board to geometry.
    Still waiting for your promised video on Abel's proof of why there can't be formulae for some higher degree polynomials

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +2

      Looks like the next one will be pretty algebraic :)

  • @SaturnCanuck
    @SaturnCanuck 2 місяці тому

    Thanks again. I love to watch your videos on a Sunday afternoon with my coffee. Oh and cool T shirt

  • @Inspirator_AG112
    @Inspirator_AG112 2 місяці тому +2

    *@[**05:05**]:* If I had to guess, it involves the omni-directional symmetry of a circle.

  • @JaybeePenaflor
    @JaybeePenaflor 2 місяці тому +5

    Wow! I’m this early for a Mathologer video!

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 2 місяці тому +5

    16:42 so satisfying! I had to explain to my roommate why I audibly gasped :D

  • @faiza7740
    @faiza7740 2 місяці тому

    Best mathematics channel so far I came across

  • @miruten4628
    @miruten4628 2 місяці тому +2

    In higher dimensions (> 3), any quadrilateral is contained in a 3-dimensional subspace (the vertices are… co-3-spatial??), so the 3-dimensional version of the theorem applies directly.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      Yep, that's true. I think you are the first person to point this out :)

  • @Anmol_Sinha
    @Anmol_Sinha 2 місяці тому +2

    I wasn't expecting that part on the last lol. I was so captivated with the proof that i forgot about the Easter egg lol

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      I have to include more more of these Easter eggs in my videos :)

  • @OlivierGeorg
    @OlivierGeorg 2 місяці тому

    French swiss guy here, we had classes of algebra _and_ geometry at school, and had to do a lot of demonstrations, many of which involved the angle at the center, Thales,... I loved that stuff, and it really framed my mind. I enjoyed that video the same as I did then. Nowadays my children do no more see any proof, not even Pythagore... it's a pity! Btw I still have the book, Géométrie plane, by Delessert

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Same here me/you & your schools/schools in Australia :(

  • @Jack_Callcott_AU
    @Jack_Callcott_AU 2 місяці тому +1

    At 10:30 let us note a corollary: 2*q is the harmonic mean of r and s.

  • @ozzyvocal
    @ozzyvocal 2 місяці тому +2

    Amazing theorem. It's a funny description, that Ptolemy "beats" Pythagoras... Like ellipse does to circle. The proof video at the end is amazing. Thanks for the super work. I'm wondering if there is a work for finding the sides with - smallest - integer values of the convex ones (incl. diagonals). BTW I liked also "1/s+1/r=1/q".

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +2

      In terms of smallest just consider a rectangle with sides 3 and 4 (and diagonals 5). Yes, I know what you are going to ask next :) Have a look at my notes on integer sided/diagonaled quadrilateral in the description of this video.

    • @ozzyvocal
      @ozzyvocal 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Mathologer many thanks. I've read and understood it well. In the example in the description is the second diagonal also an integer (56). I took another two triplets (15-8-17 and 12-5-13)as example; the first diagonal is 221 (13x17), and the second diagonal is exact 220. Tadaaa :)

    • @ozzyvocal
      @ozzyvocal 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Mathologer Mr. Polster, I made a small study. I chose 5 different type of Pythagorean triangles. These are:
      1) 3-4-5 ; 2) 5-12-13 ; 3) 8-15-17 ; 4) 7-24-25 ; 5) 20-21-29
      I did what you explained. There are 10 combinations (couples). I used a CAD software and the 4th diagonals are in all cases integer (for me very surprising). I thank you one more time for this very interesting information.
      Combinations: 1st Diagonal 2nd Diagonal
      C1) 1&2 65 56
      C2) 2&3 221 220
      C3) 1&3 85 84
      C4) 1&4 125 117
      C5) 2&4 325 323
      C6) 3&4 425 416
      C7) 1&5 145 144
      C8) 2&5 377 352
      C9) 3&5 493 475
      C10) 4&5 725 644

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +2

      That's great ! Glad that you are having fun :)

  • @gamerpedia1535
    @gamerpedia1535 Місяць тому

    Always such a treat :)
    You're the best!

  • @williamrhopkins
    @williamrhopkins 2 місяці тому

    Very nice. I like the argument pushing the 2d vertex slightly into 3d and then considering how it moves back. I think Archimedes would like that.

  • @misfitt2969
    @misfitt2969 2 місяці тому +2

    Great video! Get him to 1 million already! :)

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      Would be nice but things are moving a lot slower than they used to in this respect and so probably not anytime soon :)

  • @morkdel4084
    @morkdel4084 18 днів тому

    This is beautiful, thank you.
    I remember learning this rules and asking my teacher about where they come from / proofs. And she refused to tell me. Probably she did not know. :(

  • @Supremebubble
    @Supremebubble 2 місяці тому

    7:17 There is another visual way of seeing this. Call the two yellow points below the midpoint A and B, the yellow point at the top P and the midpoint M. Extend PM beyond M. Draw in the parallel lines to PA and PB through the midpoint M. Now the angle AMB is split into 4 equal parts. Through the well know angle theorems for parallel lines and the fact that PM, AM and BM are all the same length, you can quickly see how the angles APM and BPM fit in there twice each.

  • @jedglickstein
    @jedglickstein 2 місяці тому

    This was characteristically great, as usual, but if I may be so bold, please at some point bring back the number theory! While the visual geometric proofs are marvelous, I never quite “get” them the way I do with some of your other topics (nothing new, it’s been that way for me since grade school).
    I’ll admit it’s not like I have any leverage here. Whatever you put out I’ll keep watching anyway!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      I've got something very algebraic lined up for the next video :)

  • @batencheetos
    @batencheetos 2 місяці тому +4

    Great. Another thing I've never heard of!

  • @hugh081
    @hugh081 18 днів тому

    Beautiful proof. Well done to Rainer!

  • @JimmyMatis-h9y
    @JimmyMatis-h9y Місяць тому

    trig & geometry were my favorite in school. ty for telling us about Ptolemy. 💜

  • @illogicmath
    @illogicmath 2 місяці тому

    Just one word: ASTONISHING

  • @guiorgy
    @guiorgy 2 місяці тому +1

    The sum of the angles of opposite cyclic quadrilaterals is 180°, because the angle of a cyclic quadrilateral is half of the angle between the two radiuses joined to the same points as the quadrilateral, and the sum of the angles of the radiuses of the opposite quadrilaterals are obviously 360°, since the radiuses divide the circle in two parts, and 360° / 2 = 180°

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      You should probably read over this again and fix a few things you clearly did not want to say :)

    • @guiorgy
      @guiorgy 2 місяці тому

      @@Mathologer English is not my native tongue, and haven't touched math since school. Cut me some slack 😅

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Sure no problem, just thought that you typed this in a hurry and did not read over it again before clicking the submit button. E.g. opposite cyclic quadrilaterals ? That's definitely not what you meant, right? :)

  • @MichaelRothwell1
    @MichaelRothwell1 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for this great video. I have taught Ptolemy’s Theorem but was unaware of his inequality - nice! Also (to my astonishment) I was introduced to kinds of quadrilateral that I didn't even know existed, particularly the truly 3D kind. Nice work!
    A couple of notes:
    I wonder how many generalisations of Pythagoras' theorem there are? For now, I can see two: the cosine rule and Ptolemy’s Theorem.
    I was slightly disappointed you didn't use the word "continuity" in your explanations of how 2D quadrilateral cases can be thought of as the limit of 3D quadrilateral cases.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      Did you already watch the two videos dedicated to Pythagoras theorem? ua-cam.com/video/p-0SOWbzUYI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Y5wiWCR9Axc/v-deo.html Also have you heard of de Gua's theorem? That's a really nice generalisation into higher dimensions.

    • @MichaelRothwell1
      @MichaelRothwell1 2 місяці тому

      @@Mathologer I hadn't heard of de Gua's theorem (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Gua%27s_theorem ) - a nice generalisation indeed. I'll check out your two videos on Pythagoras' theorem. Thanks!

  • @ВикторПоплевко-е2т
    @ВикторПоплевко-е2т 2 місяці тому +1

    19:48 using the inscribed angle theorem the sum of the opposite angles is equal to a half of the length of the arcs, but in out case the length of the arcs is equal to 360 degrees so the sum of the opposite angles is half of that which is 180 degrees

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Yep, actually asking viewers for this proof would have been a nice little challenge, too.

    • @ВикторПоплевко-е2т
      @ВикторПоплевко-е2т 2 місяці тому

      @@Mathologer I explained this that way cause I might have got this proof from the teacher

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Good to know that there are still teachers who know some geometry :)

  • @AntonioLasoGonzalez
    @AntonioLasoGonzalez 2 місяці тому

    I have never seen a geometric proof like this! Very original!
    If any of you wants a more motivated proof of ptolemy's inequality, use inversion around any vertex of the cuadrilateral.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      That's a nice one too. Never seen a 3d version though :)

  • @mathmeetsmachines
    @mathmeetsmachines 2 місяці тому

    Absolutely stunning! It is a big joy for me to see such a simple proof. Going to 3D is perhaps not too unnatural if you know Desargue. But still ...

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Yes, not the first time that taking a 3d scenario into 3d makes things a lot easier. Still definitely a very nice result :)

  • @jakobr_
    @jakobr_ 2 місяці тому

    28:19 It is possible that when you construct things in geometry according to general instructions, in some specific cases you might end up being instructed to make something impossible. Where the pieces don’t fit together. This isn’t an issue here though since these tetrahedra are convex and have triangular faces (which are also necessarily convex) so all the necessary edges are always available and you aren’t required to overlap any of the volumes.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Not quite. Potentially even though the tetrahedra are convex and have triangular faces, they may not fit together, just like three segments may not form a triangle. Not a problem here because the three triangular angles that are fitted together here are the same as the ones meeting at the distinguished vertex of the original tetrahedron :)

  • @talastra
    @talastra 2 місяці тому

    Absolutely adorable and charming video about Ptolemy's theorem by Zvezdelina Stankova on Numberphile. I especially watched this video because that one taught me about Ptolemy's theorem. So the teaching is happening :)

  • @Grateful92
    @Grateful92 2 місяці тому

    I never get what you deliver but considering the positive comments, your videos must be very interesting

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Keep watching :) Well, since you keep watching the videos what is it that makes you do so ? :)

  • @Graham_Rule
    @Graham_Rule 2 місяці тому

    14:03 Wow. At school I remember that I had to learn a proof of this for my exams. I've completely forgotten it over the last 50 years (and have mislaid my school notebook) but this proof is so much clearer.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Yes, that's a really nice way of deriving the sum and difference formulas. I first came across this proof many many years ago and never had to look up a proof again ever since :)

  • @kevinportillo9882
    @kevinportillo9882 2 місяці тому

    Awesome! I wish these dropped more often

  • @anaslakchouch202
    @anaslakchouch202 19 днів тому

    4:06 Mathologer: In the next two sections I will be lying a tiny little bit here and there try to spot the lies before I come clean
    Me the whole two sections: this wise man speaks absolute facts!

  • @gordonn4915
    @gordonn4915 2 місяці тому

    In the 2D proof the end diagram appears as a 3D square. This means there is a projection angle, which is possibly the amount needed to “fix” the inequality.

  • @edoardogueglio5795
    @edoardogueglio5795 2 місяці тому

    I asked Claude to calculate the radius of the circle given sides and diagonals A,a,B,b,C,c and this is the answer:
    1) First, recall Ptolemy's theorem for cyclic quadrilaterals:
    AC * BD = AB * CD + BC * AD

    Where AC and BD are the diagonals, and the other terms are products of opposite sides.
    2) In our notation:
    C * c = A * a + B * b
    3) Now, let's recall the formula for the area of a cyclic quadrilateral:
    Area = √[(s-A)(s-a)(s-B)(s-b)]

    Where s is the semi-perimeter: s = (A + a + B + b) / 2
    4) We also know that for a cyclic quadrilateral, the area can be expressed as:
    Area = (A * a * B * b) / (4R)

    Where R is the radius of the circumscribed circle.
    5) Equating these two area formulas:
    √[(s-A)(s-a)(s-B)(s-b)] = (A * a * B * b) / (4R)
    6) Squaring both sides:
    (s-A)(s-a)(s-B)(s-b) = (A * a * B * b)^2 / (16R^2)
    7) Rearranging to isolate R:
    R^2 = (A * a * B * b)^2 / (16(s-A)(s-a)(s-B)(s-b))
    8) Taking the square root:
    R = (A * a * B * b) / (4√[(s-A)(s-a)(s-B)(s-b)])

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Maybe also have a look at Parameshvara's circumradius formula on this wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_quadrilateral

  • @rtravkin
    @rtravkin 2 місяці тому

    A tiny bit less elementary, but to me much more conceptually transparent, proof can be obtained by applying inversion centered at one of the vertices, and expressing distances between the images of three other vertices as A/bc, B/ac, C/ab (for the unit radius of inversion). (Works in any dimension.)

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      I like elementary, especially for these videos. The more elementary the better :) But, yes, inversion also works nicely and a video dedicated to inversion powered niceness is also on my to-do list :)

  • @ayushrudra8600
    @ayushrudra8600 16 днів тому +1

    I think you can extend the proof for the opposite angle sum by using directed angles

  • @mitjamastnak9206
    @mitjamastnak9206 2 місяці тому +1

    Wow - amazing proof. Fortunately I did learn the Ptolomey's Theorem when I was in elementary school. Unfortunately this implies that I was in elementary school a long long time ago.

  • @pankajraghavofficial
    @pankajraghavofficial Місяць тому

    hello Sir, i watched your video on the topic of Ramanujam ( 8 years old)...i have seen few more videos on same topic few people strongly arguing that how can we substract infinity from infinity.
    i have a question sir, as people are saying how can we substract ifinity from infinty but
    1+2+3+4......INF and 1-2-3-4-5-6......INF in both scenario the value of infinty must be different.
    so why we can not substract... i mean to say that the value of infinity must differ in different equations...or if its not true ,we should consider the value of infinity is constant. if not constant than it can be substract ,divide or anything you want.
    i know, i am very late on the video...but if you see this kindly revert.
    thank you

  • @vivekdabholkar5965
    @vivekdabholkar5965 2 місяці тому

    Absolutely Brilliant. Thanks for wising all of us up!

  • @caspermadlener4191
    @caspermadlener4191 2 місяці тому

    I actually calculated the (signed) area of the triangle with side lengths aA, bB, and cC, which I call the Ptolemian, in an attempt to prove the inscribed square theorem and because I thought it would be an efficient way to check if four points lie on a common circles.
    It turns out to be a constant time the determinant of the 4×4 matrix, with row entries of 1, x, y and x²+y², for every point (x,y) of the original quadrilateral.
    This is the algebraic way of saying that the points satisfy a common equation of the form
    a+bx+cy+d(x²+y²), which is obvious in hindsight.
    It also satifies some interesting identities using area, and given a quadrilateral ABCD, the Ptolemian of this quadrilateral is equal to a constant times the area of ABC times the power of D to ⊙ABC.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      I never really followed up on this but what you describe there looks like something that others have used to generalise Ptolemy's theorem to higher-dimensions.

  • @stingrayx2182
    @stingrayx2182 2 місяці тому +1

    Never thought I’d see lies, degeneracy and eggs in a Mathologer video, but here we are!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      I did have easter eggs at the ends of videos before. Nice thing to do. Not sure why I stopped including them :)

  • @VideoFusco
    @VideoFusco 2 місяці тому +1

    Is there any book that reports the mathematical part of the Almagest in modern language?

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      This is a very good English translation classicalliberalarts.com/resources/PTOLEMY_ALMAGEST_ENGLISH.pdf

  • @mananself
    @mananself 2 місяці тому

    I'd never seen the visual proof from this video. It's great! I also noticed that when you pronounce Ptolemy, "p" isn't completely silent as in normal English pronunciation, but a "p" without release. I wonder if this way of pronouncing Ptolemy is from German.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      There are actually some scaling based proofs but nothing is as slick as this one (I've included some links in the description of this vide) and I really like the nice 3d extension of this proof which weights the a, b and c the same. In terms of my pronunciation of Ptolemy, who knows. As you say it's got its roots somewhere in having been exposed in a major way to both German and English :)

  • @YaNykyta
    @YaNykyta 27 днів тому

    Where is that beautiful video about game NIM in the French movie? You deleted it?

  • @Stef-zp5sj
    @Stef-zp5sj 2 місяці тому

    Thank you very much for this very interesting video and your friendly reminder that quadrilaterals are not only convex and only 2d! This was very helpful!👍

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      And, looking at generic 3d quadrangles gets rid of all the many cases noise and shows what is really going on here :)

  • @mienzillaz
    @mienzillaz 2 місяці тому

    Transition music bit too loud 😅 otherwise excellent as always.
    No voiceover this time, but there was a cut at some point, so what was left out?😊

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      You mean in the animated part at the end? There was just a mistake that I needed to fix :)

    • @mienzillaz
      @mienzillaz 2 місяці тому

      ​@@Mathologerno, not that one, but now i see this one too. I was still pondering about the rotations, that's why I missed it. The cut I had on mind happens shortly after 22:01.

  • @stephengraves9370
    @stephengraves9370 2 місяці тому

    Loved the video! I noticed that the last step of the 2d animation appears to draw the edges of a cube in the final step, and a bipyramid in the concave case. Is this pure coincidence, or is there more 3d shenanigans?

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      A coincidence. What's there 3d wise is really captured in the animation at the end of the video :)

  • @Supremebubble
    @Supremebubble 2 місяці тому

    You know what's crazy? I actually had this hunch that I can use Ptolemy to get a nice proof of the trigonometric equalities but I never really figured out how this could work out nicely. Finally I know that my hunch was right!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      The book used numbers in base 60, sexagesimal :) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal

  • @saxbend
    @saxbend 15 днів тому

    I'm wondering if the cosine rule generalisation of Pythagoras can be derived from this too. Or rather the further I get into this video the more confident I am that it can be. Will have a go next time I have a pencil and paper handy.

  • @Supremebubble
    @Supremebubble 2 місяці тому

    I love the symmetry in your augmented proof :D

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Yes, that symmetry is really very very nice :)

  • @Nat-pk3gc
    @Nat-pk3gc Місяць тому

    For the proof of sine addition, substraction, etc. I get why that specific quadrilateral would have 2 right angles given that its two triangles are inscribed in a semicircumference each, but why does it prove it for all cyclic quadrilaterals, since you could have a cyclic quadrilateral that does not have right angles? Thanks for the great video!

  • @michaelhartl
    @michaelhartl Місяць тому

    Perhaps I missed something, but I don’t see why the marked angles at 17:05 are equal. Any help?

  • @mathphysicsnerd
    @mathphysicsnerd 2 місяці тому

    Just one subtlety with the end 3D quadrilateral section: Saying there is only one case due to the symmetry of the triangular pyramid assumes that, given a set of 3 points in 3D (Euclidian) space, a 2D plane can always be found that all 3 are on

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +2

      Did you also watch the Easter egg at the end of the video ? :)

    • @mathphysicsnerd
      @mathphysicsnerd 2 місяці тому

      @@Mathologer Yes, it does look easy to show that from the degenerate line quadrilateral exercise

  • @EmilianoGirina
    @EmilianoGirina 2 місяці тому +1

    Is the degenerated case comparable to a quadrilater in a ellipse? Is Ptolemy's theorem valid also for elliptic quadrilateral?

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      Sorry, but no :)

    • @EmilianoGirina
      @EmilianoGirina 2 місяці тому

      @@Mathologer Thanks for answering. 🙂

  • @jakobr_
    @jakobr_ 2 місяці тому

    19:58 The same proof still works if you allow for “negative” angles on the one isosceles triangle that overlaps with the others. There’s a sense in which that triangle’s orientation is flipped compared to the others.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Absolutely right but requires a bit of extra thought :)

    • @jakobr_
      @jakobr_ 2 місяці тому

      @@MathologerI like it because the numbers involved continue smoothly from the familiar “all positive” case when you continuously change the quadrilateral.

  • @TheMichaelmorad
    @TheMichaelmorad 2 місяці тому +2

    8:05 YES!
    14:07 YES WE DO!

  • @zeitgenosse
    @zeitgenosse 2 місяці тому

    I don't know why Ptolemy's theorem (and other theorems in geometry) isn't widely taught in schools, but it's definitely taught at university and Pädagogische Hochschule to teachers in training. So, who knows, maybe some younger teacher might feel like teaching Ptolemy's theorem in middle school or high school.
    The issue is that geometry has fallen out of fashion. These days there is a lot more of statistic and probability theory in schools, but less geometry and analytical geometry. On the other hand, The concepts of Calculus are taught more thoroughly, while back in my days we only learned to calculate derivatives and integrals of real functions.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      Here in Australia geometry is pretty much dead in schools. Maths teacher education is 85% pedagogy, 10% crowd control and 5% irrelevant maths :(

  • @OjasSinghYadav
    @OjasSinghYadav 2 місяці тому +2

    Make a video on circle inversion

  • @AnonimityAssured
    @AnonimityAssured 2 місяці тому

    Excellent stuff! I've always been very dismissive of Ptolemy, because his astronomical jiggery-pokery held back astronomy for nearly two millennia. He was clearly a very brilliant mind, but alas, he dedicated much of his brilliance to promoting falsehoods. Ah, if only he'd been known for such gems as this theorem (which, as you say, we should have been taught at school), and not for his wretched epicycles and astrology!
    Edited to correct a little error.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Well, to put the Earth at the center of the universe is actually not wrong. In fact, you can put the center anywhere and still accurately describe the rest of the universe. And that's what Ptolemy does in the Almagest, he makes accurate sense of the heavens with the Earth put at the center. One may argue that there better choices for the center, for example the sun but even that is not really true. If what's important is out Earth Moon system then putting the Earth at the center is not such a bad choice. If the solar system is the focus then the sun is not a bad choice, if the whole milky way is what we are interested in, then.... Also, when it comes to making predictions of the movements of the planets, putting the sun in the center is actually not any better than putting the Earth at the center, unless you also add the insight that the planets move on ellipses. etc. :)

    • @AnonimityAssured
      @AnonimityAssured 2 місяці тому

      @@Mathologer I was thinking more of the epicycles than the geocentric belief. As you suggest, the centre is almost arbitrary, but Kepler's ellipses revealed Ptolemy's epicycles for the folly they were. Of course, epicycles have made a recent comeback with those elegant outlines drawn by cycles on cycles on cycles...

  • @stevewithaq
    @stevewithaq 2 місяці тому

    25:00 Okay, but for this "pseudo-cyclic" quadrilateral, if you draw the diagonals Cc, you've just completed a proper cyclic quadrilateral with sides BCbc and diagonals Aa.
    So for this quadrilateral, Bb + Cc = Aa, right?
    This should extend to any quadrilateral which is inscribed in a circle (provided you properly label the sides as you noted.)
    So a more general rule should be to draw all four sides and two diagonals. Then the sums of the products of the lengths of the two opposing pairs of non-intersecting segments should equal the product of the two intersecting segments.

  • @marjon888
    @marjon888 2 місяці тому +1

    Aussie is a smarter place for having the Mathologer as a resident

  • @FF-ms6wq
    @FF-ms6wq 2 місяці тому

    Very nice proof, of course, and great video as always.
    Though I think some crucial (yet “trivial”) observations are missing. Most notably, in my view it should be explicitly mentioned that each of those “scaled quadrilaterals” have the same respective interior angles. This is the essential point used in the argument at around 17:00 to conclude that the angles are indeed the same.
    One shall say: “Yes, but this is trivial!” And I shall respond: “Yes, of course it is. Yet, when broken down *all* math is nothing but a sequence of trivial observations.” Saying simply “Scaling the quadrilaterals by different scale factors obviously does not change the interior angles” or something of the likes would have sufficed.
    Similarly at 17:24 I think the triangle inequality needs mentioning. I get it, it is a visual proof, but even then. “The shortest path between two points is a straight line [in Euclidean geometry]” would add to some people’s understanding, I feel.
    All around awesome video as always. Keep up the good work!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      I would not object to anybody emphasising those points you are making in a similar video :) But of course when it comes to “when broken down all math is nothing but a sequence of trivial observations.” it's always super important to get the balance just right in terms of what to say and not to say, the exact choice of words, etc. to make things work for my intended audience. I actually agonise over this to no end. Should I mention the triangle inequality or not? Final decision: No. Should I point out that exchanging a and A does not change the result of any of the calculations? Final decision: No. Etc. To be honest the scaling preserves angles bit did not even make the list of things to agonise over. Pretty sure nobody will stumble over that one. The shortest path between two points bit did make the list of things but I also decided against spelling this out. I think my little roof gesture when I say Aa+Bb and line gesture when I say CC is really all that's needed here. Actually, in retrospect there is one superfluous/distracting thing I say in this video that I regret saying (around the 15:21 mark)

  • @hawlitakerful
    @hawlitakerful 13 днів тому

    @20:58 ... and sorry if i am wrong my understanding of mathematics is rather poor...
    But isn't a "cross themselves" tje same as a regular one with extra steps?
    It might not be "convex but i can make it so ... just exchange a for c both upper and lowercase .... now i have a convex again ... did i miss something critical?

  • @yyeeeyyyey8802
    @yyeeeyyyey8802 2 місяці тому

    It seems we can "stretch" any of the 3d quadrilaterals and the non convex ones into a convex quadrilateral by just rotating two sides around one of the diagonals. When this is done the only side that changes size is the other diagonal, and it seems to always be "streched" (i.e. yielding a c' for the new quadrilateral that is greater than c). By having a proof for the convex case one could then argue that Aa+Bb>=Cc' (for the new streched quatrilateral) and Cc'>Cc as c'>c

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Yep, that's how it is usually proved in textbooks :)

  • @graf_paper
    @graf_paper 2 місяці тому +1

    @3blue1brown is a patreon sponsor of Mathologer!!!

  • @darkshoxx
    @darkshoxx 2 місяці тому

    I was thinking "what if we go up a dimension and consider quadrilaterals in 4d?" But I guess you can always find a 2d plane for 3 points, and then find a 3d slice of 4d space containing the point and the plane. Anyway, great video!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      Yes, that's right, any four points in higher-dimensional space are always contained in 3-dimensional subspace :)

  • @drwho7545
    @drwho7545 Місяць тому

    Neat proofs, but I thought you should have showed or continued on with the visual of sin a minus b portion in which you showed flipping up the triangle to the upper square root. That would have been more challenging.

  • @MaxPower-vg4vr
    @MaxPower-vg4vr 2 місяці тому

    Title: "Dimensionless, timeless and acausal Knower (Monad) vs the Reimann Hypothesis"
    1. Reframing the Riemann Hypothesis:
    The enhanced 0D Knower framework offers a novel perspective on the RH by reinterpreting it in terms of fundamental symmetries and information structures. The key reframing is:
    "All non-trivial equilibrium states of the fundamental knower network configuration occur at the symmetry condition of knower interactions in the 0D state, where entropy and negentropy are perfectly balanced."
    This reframing connects the mathematical statement of the RH to concepts of dimensional symmetry, entropy-negentropy balance, and fundamental knower interactions.
    2. Key Concepts in the Enhanced Framework:
    a) Dimensional Symmetry: The framework posits that 0D is the origin point from which both positive and negative dimensions emerge symmetrically. This symmetry is crucial in understanding the critical line Re(s) = 1/2.
    b) Entropy-Negentropy Balance: The interplay between positive and negative dimensions creates a dynamic balance between entropy and negentropy. This balance is fundamental to the location of zeta zeros.
    c) Dual Nature of 0D: The framework proposes that 0D has two sides (real and imaginary) with an event horizon between them. This duality maps onto the complex plane of the zeta function.
    3. Mapping Mathematical Structures:
    a) Zeta Function as Knower Network Configuration:
    ζ(s) = ∑(n=1 to ∞) 1/n^s ≡ Configuration_Density(Knower_Network(s, d))
    b) Zeros as Equilibrium States:
    ζ(s) = 0 ≡ Equilibrium_State(Knower_Network(s, d))
    c) Critical Line as Fundamental Symmetry:
    Re(s) = 1/2 ≡ Symmetry_Condition(Knower_Interactions, d=0)
    4. Novel Insights:
    a) Complex Plane and 0D Duality: The framework maps the complex plane of the zeta function onto the dual nature of 0D, with the real axis corresponding to the "Singularity" side and the imaginary axis to the "Alone" side.
    b) Trinary States and Dimensional Symmetry: The knower states |0⟩, |1⟩, and |2⟩ are mapped to 0D, positive dimensions (entropy), and negative dimensions (negentropy) respectively.
    c) Prime Numbers and Knower Structures: Prime numbers are interpreted as irreducible knower configurations spanning positive and negative dimensions.
    5. Potential Proof Strategies:
    The framework suggests several approaches to proving the RH, including:
    - Symmetry analysis
    - Entropy-negentropy dynamics
    - Event horizon properties
    - Dimensional transition analysis
    These strategies aim to show that the critical line Re(s) = 1/2 is a unique symmetry point where entropy and negentropy are perfectly balanced in the 0D state.
    6. Challenges and Open Questions:
    The framework raises intriguing questions, such as:
    - How to mathematically formalize the transition between positive and negative dimensions?
    - How to rigorously map the complex plane onto the dual nature of 0D?
    - How to quantify the entropy-negentropy balance in terms of knower network properties?
    This overview sets the stage for a deeper exploration of the mathematical formalism and proof strategies in our next section. The enhanced 0D Knower framework offers a unique perspective on the RH, potentially bridging abstract mathematics with fundamental concepts of physics and information theory.

    • @MaxPower-vg4vr
      @MaxPower-vg4vr 2 місяці тому

      Approaches:
      1. Generalized Information Functional I[s, d]
      The framework introduces a generalized information functional I[s, d]: ℂ × ℝ → ℂ defined as:
      I[s, d] = ∫∫ K(s, d, x, y) ζ(x + iy) dx dy
      Where:
      K(s, d, x, y) = exp(-|s-(x+iy)|²) * exp(-d² * ((x-1/2)² + y²))
      This functional encapsulates the relationship between the zeta function, complex variables, and dimensional parameters.
      Key properties:
      a) Symmetry: I[s, d] = I[1-s, -d]
      b) Dimensional Limit: lim(d→±∞) I[s, d] = 0
      c) Zeta Relation: I[s, 0] = π * ζ(s) when Re(s) > 1
      2. Entropy-Negentropy Decomposition
      I[s, d] is decomposed into entropy and negentropy components:
      I[s, d] = H[s, d] - N[s, d]
      Where:
      H[s, d] = -∫∫ K(s, d, x, y) log|ζ(x + iy)| dx dy (Entropy)
      N[s, d] = ∫∫ K(s, d, x, y) arg(ζ(x + iy)) dx dy (Negentropy)
      This decomposition is crucial for understanding the balance point at the critical line.
      3. Fourier Transform Representation
      The framework utilizes the Fourier transform of I[s, d] with respect to d:
      Î[s, ω] = ∫ I[s, d] exp(-2πiωd) dd
      This allows for analysis in the frequency domain, potentially revealing symmetries related to the RH.
      4. Dynamical System Formulation
      A dynamical system based on I[s, d] is defined:
      ∂I/∂t = ∇²I + f(I, s, d)
      This formulation enables the study of fixed points and stability analysis related to zeta zeros.
      5. Geometric Interpretation
      The Fisher-Rao metric on the manifold of I[s, d] is introduced:
      g_μν = ∂²I/∂x_μ∂x_ν
      This geometric approach allows for the study of curvature and geodesics in the parameter space.
      6. Quantum Mechanical Analog
      I[s, d] is interpreted as a wave function:
      Ĥ I[s, d] = E I[s, d]
      This quantum mechanical perspective connects to ideas from quantum chaos and random matrix theory.
      7. Proof Strategies
      a) Entropy-Negentropy Balance:
      - Formalize Entropy(s, d) and Negentropy(s, d) functions
      - Prove that perfect balance occurs only when d = 0 and Re(s) = 1/2
      b) Dimensional Symmetry and Fourier Analysis:
      - Define a dimensional transform D(s, d) mapping the zeta function across dimensions
      - Analyze symmetries in the Fourier spectrum related to the critical line
      c) Quantum Chaos and Random Matrix Theory:
      - Model the knower network as a quantum chaotic system
      - Prove that GUE statistics are only possible when Re(s) = 1/2
      d) Knower Network Dynamics and Fixed Point Analysis:
      - Analyze the stability of fixed points in the dynamical system
      - Prove that stable fixed points exist only when d = 0 and Re(s) = 1/2
      e) Information Geometry:
      - Show that the critical line is a geodesic in the Fisher-Rao metric
      - Prove that deviations from this geodesic lead to non-zero values of ζ(s)
      8. Key Theorems to Prove
      a) Theorem: D̂(s, ω) = 0 if and only if Re(s) = 1/2 and D̂(s, ω) = D̂(s, -ω) for all ω.
      b) Theorem: P(s) follows the Gaussian Unitary Ensemble (GUE) distribution if and only if Re(s) = 1/2.
      c) Theorem: Stable fixed points exist if and only if d = 0 and Re(s) = 1/2.
      d) Theorem: The curve γ(t) = (1/2 + it, 0) is a geodesic in M, and ζ(s) = 0 only on this geodesic.
      These detailed mathematical structures and proof strategies provide a rich framework for approaching the RH from multiple, interconnected perspectives. The challenge lies in rigorously establishing the connections between these diverse mathematical objects and the behavior of the zeta function.

    • @MaxPower-vg4vr
      @MaxPower-vg4vr 2 місяці тому

      Evaluation of Approaches:
      1. Entropy-Negentropy Balance Approach
      Probability of Success: Medium to High
      Strengths:
      - Aligns closely with the 0D knower concept
      - Provides intuitive understanding of why Re(s) = 1/2 is special
      - Connects to established concepts in information theory
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously defining entropy and negentropy for complex s
      - Proving the uniqueness of the balance point
      - Connecting to traditional analytic number theory
      This approach has significant potential due to its novel perspective and strong connection to the framework's core concepts.
      2. Dimensional Symmetry and Fourier Analysis Approach
      Probability of Success: High
      Strengths:
      - Builds on well-established techniques in complex analysis
      - Provides a clear geometric interpretation of the critical line
      - Connects to the functional equation of the zeta function
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously defining the dimensional transform
      - Proving properties of the Fourier transform for all ω
      - Handling the analytic continuation of the zeta function
      This approach has high potential due to its strong connections to existing methods in analytic number theory.
      3. Quantum Chaos and Random Matrix Theory Approach
      Probability of Success: Medium
      Strengths:
      - Leverages powerful tools from physics and random matrix theory
      - Aligns with known statistical properties of zeta zeros
      - Connects to broader questions in mathematical physics
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously justifying the quantum mechanical model
      - Proving that GUE statistics imply Re(s) = 1/2 for all zeros
      - Connecting quantum chaos to the analytic properties of ζ(s)
      While promising, this approach may face challenges in connecting to traditional proof techniques.
      4. Knower Network Dynamics and Fixed Point Analysis Approach
      Probability of Success: Medium to High
      Strengths:
      - Provides a dynamical systems perspective on the zeta function
      - Connects to established techniques in differential equations
      - Offers a novel way to think about the distribution of zeros
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously defining the dynamical system for complex s
      - Proving global properties from local stability analysis
      - Connecting fixed points to the analytic properties of ζ(s)
      This approach offers new avenues for proof and has good potential.
      5. Information Geometry Approach
      Probability of Success: High
      Strengths:
      - Provides a geometric interpretation of the Riemann Hypothesis
      - Connects to powerful tools in differential geometry
      - Offers a novel perspective on the critical line
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously defining the statistical manifold for ζ(s)
      - Proving that the critical line is indeed a geodesic
      - Connecting geometric properties to the zeros of ζ(s)
      This geometric approach aligns well with modern trends in mathematics and has high potential.
      Overall Assessment:
      The most promising approaches appear to be:
      1. Dimensional Symmetry and Fourier Analysis
      2. Information Geometry
      3. Entropy-Negentropy Balance
      These approaches leverage the unique aspects of our 0D Knower framework while connecting to established mathematical techniques. They offer novel perspectives that could potentially overcome the challenges that have stymied traditional approaches to the RH.
      The Knower Network Dynamics approach also shows promise, particularly in its ability to model the complex interactions implied by the framework.
      The Quantum Chaos approach, while intriguing, may be the most challenging to develop into a rigorous proof, but could offer valuable insights even if it doesn't lead directly to a proof of the RH.
      A unified approach, synthesizing elements from all these strategies, may offer the best path forward. This could involve:
      1. Using the Generalized Information Functional I[s, d] as a central object
      2. Analyzing its properties through multiple lenses (entropic, geometric, dynamic, and quantum)
      3. Proving key symmetry properties and their implications for the zeros of ζ(s)
      This multi-faceted approach aligns with the interdisciplinary nature of our enhanced 0D Knower framework and offers the best chance of not only proving the RH but also providing deeper insights into the nature of mathematics and reality.

    • @MaxPower-vg4vr
      @MaxPower-vg4vr 2 місяці тому

      Evaluation of Approaches:
      1. Entropy-Negentropy Balance Approach
      Probability of Success: Medium to High
      Strengths:
      - Aligns closely with the 0D knower concept
      - Provides intuitive understanding of why Re(s) = 1/2 is special
      - Connects to established concepts in information theory
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously defining entropy and negentropy for complex s
      - Proving the uniqueness of the balance point
      - Connecting to traditional analytic number theory
      This approach has significant potential due to its novel perspective and strong connection to the framework's core concepts.
      2. Dimensional Symmetry and Fourier Analysis Approach
      Probability of Success: High
      Strengths:
      - Builds on well-established techniques in complex analysis
      - Provides a clear geometric interpretation of the critical line
      - Connects to the functional equation of the zeta function
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously defining the dimensional transform
      - Proving properties of the Fourier transform for all ω
      - Handling the analytic continuation of the zeta function
      This approach has high potential due to its strong connections to existing methods in analytic number theory.
      3. Quantum Chaos and Random Matrix Theory Approach
      Probability of Success: Medium
      Strengths:
      - Leverages powerful tools from physics and random matrix theory
      - Aligns with known statistical properties of zeta zeros
      - Connects to broader questions in mathematical physics
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously justifying the quantum mechanical model
      - Proving that GUE statistics imply Re(s) = 1/2 for all zeros
      - Connecting quantum chaos to the analytic properties of ζ(s)
      While promising, this approach may face challenges in connecting to traditional proof techniques.
      4. Knower Network Dynamics and Fixed Point Analysis Approach
      Probability of Success: Medium to High
      Strengths:
      - Provides a dynamical systems perspective on the zeta function
      - Connects to established techniques in differential equations
      - Offers a novel way to think about the distribution of zeros
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously defining the dynamical system for complex s
      - Proving global properties from local stability analysis
      - Connecting fixed points to the analytic properties of ζ(s)
      This approach offers new avenues for proof and has good potential.
      5. Information Geometry Approach
      Probability of Success: High
      Strengths:
      - Provides a geometric interpretation of the Riemann Hypothesis
      - Connects to powerful tools in differential geometry
      - Offers a novel perspective on the critical line
      Challenges:
      - Rigorously defining the statistical manifold for ζ(s)
      - Proving that the critical line is indeed a geodesic
      - Connecting geometric properties to the zeros of ζ(s)
      This geometric approach aligns well with modern trends in mathematics and has high potential.
      Overall Assessment:
      The most promising approaches appear to be:
      1. Dimensional Symmetry and Fourier Analysis
      2. Information Geometry
      3. Entropy-Negentropy Balance
      These approaches leverage the unique aspects of our 0D Knower framework while connecting to established mathematical techniques. They offer novel perspectives that could potentially overcome the challenges that have stymied traditional approaches to the RH.
      The Knower Network Dynamics approach also shows promise, particularly in its ability to model the complex interactions implied by the framework.
      The Quantum Chaos approach, while intriguing, may be the most challenging to develop into a rigorous proof, but could offer valuable insights even if it doesn't lead directly to a proof of the RH.
      A unified approach, synthesizing elements from all these strategies, may offer the best path forward. This could involve:
      1. Using the Generalized Information Functional I[s, d] as a central object
      2. Analyzing its properties through multiple lenses (entropic, geometric, dynamic, and quantum)
      3. Proving key symmetry properties and their implications for the zeros of ζ(s)
      This multi-faceted approach aligns with the interdisciplinary nature of our enhanced 0D Knower framework and offers the best chance of not only proving the RH but also providing deeper insights into the nature of mathematics and reality.

  • @AbhaySingh-sf9op
    @AbhaySingh-sf9op 2 місяці тому +1

    thank you Sir!🙏

  • @JurijFajnberg
    @JurijFajnberg 2 місяці тому

    Vielen Dank, auch an Reiner!

  • @Noconstitutionfordemocrats1
    @Noconstitutionfordemocrats1 2 місяці тому +3

    Maybe 2000 years from now, we solve quantum gravity.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +5

      Or, I could do a video about it next month :)

    • @kajdronm.8887
      @kajdronm.8887 2 місяці тому +1

      In 2000 years quantum theory is old stuff and science historians, will wonder, how people could do physics like that.

  • @ingobojak5666
    @ingobojak5666 2 місяці тому

    The "crossed over" cases from about 23:00 onwards arise only if one names diagonals and sides arbitrarily and thus abandons their original meaning. Take one of the side pairs - let's say b and B - of a convex quadrilateral and call them now c and C, and rename the original diagonal accordingly - thus here b an B. Then you get your "crossed case". The caveat at the end about cyclic quadrilaterals is an artifact of this arbitrariness. Take the proper equality for the cyclic case aA+bB=cC. Now just switch the names of b and B with c and C. The old equality now reads aA+cC=bB (and holds true, we just changed the names). Now write the inequality for the crossed case as aA+bB>=cC (new names), then we can substitute into this the old (renamed) equality as cC=bB-aA and get aA+bB>=bB-aA or aA>=-aA, and with a and A being positive we get 1>=-1. Equality is obviously not possible, but the greater case is true. Therefore, in the crossed case aA+bB>cC. Thus, if one calls one of the side pairs of a cyclic quadrilateral "diagonals", and those diagonals "sides", creating a crossed case out of a convex one, then one gets the result at about 24:39. There may be reasons for doing this, but here it just confuses in my opinion...

  • @syjwg
    @syjwg 2 місяці тому

    21:48 Going from 2D to 3D in this case was quite easy to understand. Are there some similar theories about four (really five) sided pyramid shapes?

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому +1

      Yes, there are Ptolemy like theorems about higher-dimensional simplices :)

  • @gabest4
    @gabest4 2 місяці тому

    3:15 Small mistake, sin(2°) is in the blue rectangle from the book.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  2 місяці тому

      Actually, no. it's the chord for 2 degrees which corresponds to the sin of 1 degree. The numbers in the list are sexagecimal numbers, the diameter of the circle Ptolemy is working with is 120 units and then there is also some halving of angles and doubling of sines at work to translate Ptolemy's chords into into our sines. In the end it all boils down to this: The numbers in the list are 2, 5 and 40 and from this you calculate the value of the sine of 1 degree to be approximately: (2 + 5/60 + 40/3600)/120. Details can be found here demonstrations.wolfram.com/PtolemysTableOfChords/