How Sherlock Holmes Killed his Author

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    Sherlock Holmes may have been the greatest detective of all time, but that doesn't mean he was above murder. And his sole victim? The one who suffered the most?
    His author, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
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  • @TheTaleFoundry
    @TheTaleFoundry  Рік тому +417

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    • @BoycottChinaa
      @BoycottChinaa Рік тому +1

      Cocaine is a helluva drug

    • @randomlife4608
      @randomlife4608 Рік тому +1

      Misleading tital

    • @BlackFox1098
      @BlackFox1098 Рік тому +2

      Sherlock holmes is a good human being not a monster ?

    • @Billygaming1447
      @Billygaming1447 Рік тому +1

      Bet you didn't know this but I'm descendant of Professor Moriarty I am William F Moriarty V

    • @osmosisjones4912
      @osmosisjones4912 6 місяців тому

      Shorlock home made it to the 22th century

  • @PantherCat64
    @PantherCat64 Рік тому +5570

    I remember in my creative writing class the tale of Sherlock Holmes's death apparently Doyle was so happy after he finished it he went straight to his mother to tell her how excited he said "I did it! I killed Sherlock Holmes!"

    • @replix4458
      @replix4458 Рік тому +559

      that's such a shame, i feel really bad for doyle, may he rest in piece

    • @LostArchivist
      @LostArchivist Рік тому +210

      Peace*

    • @replix4458
      @replix4458 Рік тому +219

      @@LostArchivist thank you! i must've been tried when writing that

    • @miyukimoyazono5958
      @miyukimoyazono5958 Рік тому +136

      Tired*

    • @replix4458
      @replix4458 Рік тому +165

      @@miyukimoyazono5958 balls, thanks again lol

  • @FriskKimura
    @FriskKimura Рік тому +283

    A fandom hating on the creator for the death of a character? It’s a shame that nothing has changed, after all these years

    • @ineedapharmists
      @ineedapharmists Рік тому +4

      L take

    • @shadowshade904
      @shadowshade904 Рік тому +32

      I mostly only see that being done jokingly nowadays, or if the creator executed the death poorly. But oh boy, whenever a creator doesn't make a popular pairing canon, that's when the really ugly sides of a Fandom come out

    • @lazkraft7917
      @lazkraft7917 7 місяців тому +1

      Yes your take is indeed an L

    • @Gimas96
      @Gimas96 6 місяців тому +3

      Progress doesn't exist,we have more techology but we are always the same,I would say worse then ever nowdays.

  • @justsomeguy8334
    @justsomeguy8334 Рік тому +1075

    I've always thought this story of Holmes and Doyle felt like an episode of The Twilight Zone.
    Turning someone's passion into their prison

    • @steviegilliam5685
      @steviegilliam5685 Рік тому +14

      How would one break this?

    • @necrodeus6811
      @necrodeus6811 Рік тому +34

      @@steviegilliam5685 depends. Some people have to stick it out for the sake of future opportunities. In corporations, they can trade out for another writer. Independents can wrap up whenever, but the public backlash might be complicated

    • @PancakeTheKat
      @PancakeTheKat Рік тому +24

      That’s one of the reasons why I as a musician and artist and author, won’t go into the arts. I’m terrified my great passion for these things(music and art in particular) will quickly burn out when I make it my career.

    • @kingdonut6675
      @kingdonut6675 Рік тому +9

      There is actually a Twilight Zone episode where a successful writer spends all his time in his office with his characters. So much so that it drives away his wife and has one of my favorite twist in the series which is that Rod Sterling was one of his creations.

    • @nonamepasserbya6658
      @nonamepasserbya6658 Рік тому +2

      @@steviegilliam5685 Public Domain (or let the corpo buy it out and give it to someone else)

  • @Ryan-vw5ul
    @Ryan-vw5ul Рік тому +5465

    I'm sure that Doyle's mother's love of Holmes weighed heavily on his heart. It's one thing to upset a publisher or anonymous fans, but when it's someone you love, it becomes harder to unrelent to their demands.

    • @АлександраГришина-с5р
      @АлександраГришина-с5р Рік тому +136

      Especially when it's your mom

    • @jackbluehq6653
      @jackbluehq6653 Рік тому +158

      I feel that to her
      She saw her loving son make an amazing beloved and popular character who her son was giving up for reasons she couldn't understand
      It would be like seeing someone you love make something that's both great and popular, and then just dropping it to move on without any clear reasons as to why

    • @alphafroggymc3323
      @alphafroggymc3323 Рік тому +13

      Perhaps it even looks like suicide? Not literally, mind you.

    • @PichuElric
      @PichuElric Рік тому +32

      @@jackbluehq6653 Yes, but if she was a good mom or good person at all, she'd respect her son's wishes that he was sick and tired of this character. He was a doctor, he studied 8 years to be one, only to be told to write instead

    • @alessandrorossi1294
      @alessandrorossi1294 Рік тому +20

      @@jackbluehq6653 I agree with you. Doyle dropping Sherlock Homes is like a child who leaves a promising career to join the circus. The parents just want what is best for their kid. Dropping Sherlock Holmes is like leaving a high paying career to pursue "art". I understand and certainly sympathize with Doyle a lot, I too feel stuck in "golden handcuffs" doing jobs I hate because they pay me enough to support a family even though I feel I am not living my true potential. I see both sides, not just one.

  • @juanrodriguez9971
    @juanrodriguez9971 Рік тому +360

    Damn, I really like to hear about creators from yesterday having to deal with toxic fandoms, and Doyle is one of them, I remember a long while ago discovering that the autor of Little Women had to deal with shippers complaining about Jo not ending up with the reporter or fans complaining about the girls becoming house wives instead of their initial dreams, I would love to know more about these old toxic fandoms.

    • @dimensionalmagic
      @dimensionalmagic Рік тому +64

      I'm sick of hearing people say that toxic fandoms are a new modern trend like it's not new behavior, it's always been there in history with past entertainment and media, such information has been acknowledged to address, so that would be an interesting topic for a video of an early recording of toxic fandoms in the past. bringing up Something more that occurs before well-known fandom events from the 2010s, 2000s, 1990s, 1980s, 1960s and 1970s.

    • @juanrodriguez9971
      @juanrodriguez9971 Рік тому +38

      @@dimensionalmagic sadly talking about old toxic fandoms is a hard thing to do since the only person knowing about them were the creators receiving letters of disgusting people with God knows what in them, so maybe the creators just burned these letters and saved their info as bad anecdotes, making them even harder to register.
      Is thanks to the internet that these weirdos were discovered and brought to mainstream conversations, without internet the best thing they could do would be finding like 3 more fans of the same thing, or ship wars being real fights between fans "discussing" what ship is better.
      The best example I can think of is Disney saving like 12 kg of Kim Possible porn sent directly by the fans as a warning for new directors "this will happen to your series".
      PD: The book I mentioned, Little Women, is from fckng 1868

    • @falconeshield
      @falconeshield Рік тому +2

      To be fair though the Little Women author was a dick. Imagine being a woman or girl at the brink of the beginning of the suffergate era/industrial revolution. You read the stories of these girls grow women and....their ending is the expected once again. Roll over as Queen Vicky says. I'd feel betrayed too.

    • @rayvega3163
      @rayvega3163 Рік тому +8

      I'm very thankful I don't end up like them. Some people really need some actual help.

    • @Pikasatupu75
      @Pikasatupu75 Рік тому

      ​@@juanrodriguez9971 do you measure porn in kilograms?

  • @CosmicDuskWolf
    @CosmicDuskWolf Рік тому +66

    I wonder what he would think if he knew Sherlock Holmes was still one of the most popular detectives in fiction.

    • @hanzzel6086
      @hanzzel6086 Рік тому +4

      If his other works were more popular (aka, it wasn't the sole thing 90% of people know him for), he would probably be somewhat proud and at worst annoyed. As is, he would probably be very disappointed and somewhat angry. At least he could take solace in the popularity of The Lost World, the genre it spawned (like Jurassic Park, Land Before Time, and Walking with Dinosaurs), and the joy they've brought. Even if it is all overshadowed by Holmes.

  • @tomasrolter6729
    @tomasrolter6729 Рік тому +144

    Doyle is one of the examples when one character surpasses the rest of the author's work and becomes mainly a way to earn money. It was the same with Poirot except that the author died shortly after the death of the detective.

    • @misfithog5855
      @misfithog5855 Рік тому +34

      Agatha Christie had "Curtain" written for 30 years and originally planned to have it published posthumously. She knew that also would make people mad, and I am pretty sure she really, really did not want to be pushed by fans or anybody else to revive him.

    • @tomnorton4277
      @tomnorton4277 Рік тому +13

      ​@@misfithog5855 Smart woman. It must be terrifying to be in a position where you'd rather die than publish the end of your story but it's also very logical if you have a rabid fanbase.

    • @LOLquendoTV
      @LOLquendoTV Рік тому +7

      She did at least have Miss Marple though, which wasnt as popular but still

    • @tomasrolter6729
      @tomasrolter6729 Рік тому

      @@LOLquendoTV Yea I know

  • @rosiebaybie6245
    @rosiebaybie6245 Рік тому +13

    I think Sir Doyle’s case is one of either three main cases with fictional characters
    1 - The creator is overshadowed by the character
    2 - The creator sells off the character, essentially abandoning them like a guardian abandoning a dependent
    3 - The creator becomes the character, either in the public’s eye or (in the extreme case) the creator’s eye.

  • @nemesis_is_here_04
    @nemesis_is_here_04 Рік тому +52

    You guys should do a video on ARGs and how they use familiarity and nostalgia to scare us

  • @oliverlarosa8046
    @oliverlarosa8046 Рік тому +105

    There's something so uniquely unenviable about Arthur Conan Doyle's career, especially considering its overwhelming success by just about all traditional metrics

    • @drewt1717
      @drewt1717 Рік тому +5

      Except for the missing period at the end, that is an exceptionally well written and coherent observation. 🙂

    • @oliverlarosa8046
      @oliverlarosa8046 Рік тому +12

      @@drewt1717 That's just how I write in social media environments. I always forgo the final period of a paragraph. I find that it's often counterproductive to write in full prose in these kinds of conversations, where as a somewhat looser syntax can seem more relaxed and approachable. A period doesn't serve much purpose without a proceeding line anyways, so I exclude it
      That aside, thank you for the kind words
      Edit: Typo

    • @gaiusfulmen
      @gaiusfulmen Рік тому +1

      @@drewt1717 Except for your missing brain cells, that is such a wise and insightful comment. Just kidding, it contributes nothing useful or original; they clearly know what a period is. 😃

    • @tomnorton4277
      @tomnorton4277 Рік тому

      ​@@oliverlarosa8046 Are you on the autism spectrum? Your writing style has the intelligence and depth of thought of an autistic person whilst also being eccentric.

    • @miguelbranquinho7235
      @miguelbranquinho7235 Рік тому

      Egh.

  • @chefraymond07
    @chefraymond07 Рік тому +105

    Can’t get enough of that intro it’s awesome. Love you Tale Foundry❤

    • @blackshard641
      @blackshard641 Рік тому +3

      I came to the comments to type literally the exact same thing.

    • @mustashfan1o198
      @mustashfan1o198 Рік тому +1

      @@blackshard641 Yep.

  • @jacqueshardin4601
    @jacqueshardin4601 Рік тому +97

    Many people seem to care more about stories and fictional characters more than actual, living people. I understand Martin and Rothfuss fans who want a conclusion to their stories because there is nothing worse than an unfinished story in regards to literature. But it not acceptable to harass the creators, that only makes things worse.

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 Рік тому +9

      I mean its fair to tell them to get something out. Becaue yeah, they promise way toomuch and , let people wait worse than hunter x hunter fans. And tagashi has cronical issues. And i wish he made it jut a light novel to get it out, tht would be as loved, and less pain for him.
      But rothfuss, and martin who seems busy doing anything else, i think its fine to tell them that, nice, respecting boundaries. And bloody without threats.
      Tht concerned holmes had an end , and it would hav probably been better letting holmes stay dead, or at least a ghost. Like i really want holmes meta ghost story.
      An holmes could have worked harder to be very meta with a holmes ghost or something tomak themaccep the loss. I dont know, he was the writer, he had choices. And the money. Like even i people dint lik the other stuff,he could have like tried?
      Right, holmes was finished. i dont think rothuss an grrmmartin compare.
      And about what james tullos on his channel said, write the bloody book and get it out, any good writer will make othe good books. later in their career. i paraphrase, but yeah, even i its just ok,its bette to get it out tand write the next than stretching it out forever.

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead Рік тому

      Probably because actual, living people are, by and large, insufferable pricks who aren't worth each-other's time.

  • @panda5237
    @panda5237 Рік тому +15

    I've heard Conan Doyle" story and the fact he wanted to stop writing Sherlock Holmes, the way you explain his life and the pressure of his fans is really interesting !
    One of my university teacher once explained a theory about the Hound of the Baskerville that I loved. The theory was that after being forced to write a new novel about Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Conan Doyle was so unhappy that he purposely make Holmes wrong. Just to take his revenge of his character. And when you re read the story, you can see some contradictions about the villain and the final answer of the book. I really love that theory, because it makes me reading this story again with another point of view, but also because I love the idea of Conan Doyle taking his revenge of his fans. That's like "you forced me, so I troll you", and that's really satisfying !

  • @krisstasko
    @krisstasko Рік тому +16

    I can understand why he didn't want to keep wanting to write Holmes, if you work on the same thing over and over it's so tedious.

  • @lefranctireur2546
    @lefranctireur2546 Рік тому +53

    I remember writing a dark dystopian story and the main characters were three street children, trying to survive on their own in a war country. I originally planned to kill one of them, since in this war background, I didn’t believe they could have a happy ending and I wanted something strong to show people how war destroys life, physically and psychologically, so I decided to kill one of the child at the end.
    But the child I wanted to kill was some of my readers favorite and they weren’t happy about it dying and complained. It was also mainly because the three kids were very close to each other and they didn’t wanted them to be separated. So as a good writer, I listened to my readers complaints and changed my mind.
    Now, all of the three children dies at the end of the book. They can’t be separated if they are all dead.
    You are welcome.

    • @Eric6761
      @Eric6761 Рік тому

      You are a huge motherfucker, i like you

    • @siluda9255
      @siluda9255 Рік тому +4

      you should had written what you want tbh

    • @att6479
      @att6479 Рік тому

      Name of the,story?

    • @laralia1972
      @laralia1972 Рік тому +1

      OH MY THAT'S THE BEST THING EVER! I'm really happy for you. And you're very right, maybe this is the best thing you can do for them. I'd really love to know the name of the book.

    • @lefranctireur2546
      @lefranctireur2546 Рік тому +2

      @@laralia1972 I deleted it one or 2 years ago because I planned to do a rewrite of this (I have a lot of good ideas but my writing style suck). But it was in French and it was called « Les Gavroches ». I might have kept on Wattpad some little extract of this but it was really bad because I wrote them in middle school and now I am rewriting it.

  • @seanmcfadden3712
    @seanmcfadden3712 Рік тому +82

    Sherlock Holmes is in the Public Domain. He has been adapted many times already, but I am curious how else he could be adapted. Given his French literary rival, Maurice LeBlanc's gentleman thief Arséne Lupin, was turned into the player character's demonic initial Persona in Persona 5, might the great detective join him in Persona or the greater SMT franchise?
    What would Sir Arthur Conan Doyle think of these adaptations? The version revived in the distant future. The version who's a supportive brother to a younger sister. The version who's a woman in Tokyo. The version who worked alongside Batman. Would he be disturbed, disappointed, confused? Or would he praise how people have taken inspiration from his work and used it to create many new and unique works?

    • @cha5
      @cha5 Рік тому +33

      I remember a funny pastiche in which Doyle goes to 221B Baker St and complains to Holmes about how he wants to be rid of him and Holmes’s reply to him was “You attempted to do away with me in a matter so simplistic that a child could see through it, You brought me back in an even more convoluted manner, and then you attempted to retire me and stated that I had taken up “bee keeping.”
      (Holmes smiled for a second and then looked at Doyle with some genuine sympathy)
      “I fear my dear Doctor that I have gone beyond you and am no longer under your constraints. The world needs a Sherlock Holmes.” Doyle flusters angrily and states “You haven’t seen the last of me!” and leaves.
      Watson stares at Holmes,
      “Do you think we’ll see him again Holmes?”
      “I should most certainly say so my dear Watson.”

    • @r0bw00d
      @r0bw00d Рік тому +10

      Lupin can also be found in a computer game: _Sherlock Holmes vs Arséne Lupin._

    • @seanmcfadden3712
      @seanmcfadden3712 Рік тому +1

      @@r0bw00d
      Neat! Thanks for telling me about that.

    • @r0bw00d
      @r0bw00d Рік тому +2

      @@seanmcfadden3712 It goes by a different name in the States, so if that's where you're from, then you'll have to do a search to find out its name.

    • @seanmcfadden3712
      @seanmcfadden3712 Рік тому

      @@r0bw00d
      I'm from Australia. I'll have to go by that region.

  • @blessedsoul14
    @blessedsoul14 Рік тому +7

    He literally sacrificed his social life to write novels. And his fans treated him like that?😢 I feel really bad for such people. May they get justice and live their best life in their next lifetime.

  • @stephenlarson9422
    @stephenlarson9422 Рік тому +5

    Louis L'Amour was once offered the chance to write 4 books staring hopalong cassidy, only to find out after he'd cashed the first check that he had to use the tv show's continuity rather than the original novels . he still wrote the books so that he could put food on the table, but to his dying day only thought of the 4 books as "money work"

  • @nyom6378
    @nyom6378 Рік тому +10

    I sympathize with Doyle. It's a tragedy in it's own right. People back then and now should learn that creators aren't their most famous work. Because fame shouldn't correlate to dehumanization. Not with musicians, not with actors, not with painters, not with designers and definitely not with writers.
    I hope that, if there's a next life, Doyle got to do the things he wanted to do. And I hope he's happy. It's what he deserves.

    • @anathema2325
      @anathema2325 Рік тому

      Its a price of succes. Doyle was an ardent spiritualist, so much so that it broke up his yearlong friendship with Houdini. I'm sure the reason he isn't making the rounds with every pshycic on earth is becouse he's enjoying the afterlife to much.

  • @kimyoonmisurnamefirst7061
    @kimyoonmisurnamefirst7061 Рік тому +7

    I guess these days if someone hates on a character they created, they can simply declare it public domain, and also there's a fan fiction community to help shore up some of the waiting.

  • @mysteryxio9957
    @mysteryxio9957 Рік тому +8

    Talk to actors about this, how many of them get forced to play a role for money when what the person really wants to do is act in a different project but are typecast in a role

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 Рік тому +3

      Which is the reason radclif does with the fame as many weirdout there roles as possible. And good for him.

    • @mysteryxio9957
      @mysteryxio9957 Рік тому

      @@marocat4749 I just wish he could get that American accent down

  • @QuatroAtYale
    @QuatroAtYale Рік тому +7

    Doyle was a spiritualist and believer in parapsychological topics. While that cost him a few friendships (e.g. Houdini), from some of his last statements, I think he was already looking forward to that research after his death.

    • @claudius3359
      @claudius3359 Рік тому +1

      What are you saying,he was friends with Houdini?!

  • @augustawickmanart
    @augustawickmanart Рік тому +6

    This was a really great video. It's interesting how a writer can sometimes become trapped continuing to make something even if they no longer want to. Also I really loved the animation at the beginning. Thanks for always making such well crafted videos.

  • @arrowrandoman
    @arrowrandoman Рік тому +6

    I may not always be writing, but I am always worldbuilding, getting into the characters, the places, the histories, that will make up my stories. I hadn't given much thought about what others may think about my stuff until more recently because I really work on it for myself. As I have started sharing my work (as well as my excitement for it) more frequently, I have received responses ranging from active disinterest (I can only think of two people, and I'm not worried about THEM not liking it) all the way to a few who have sought me out to glimpse more of my worlds. It's honestly nice to see most of my friends and family respond with what I'd call congratulatory curiosity since I think that's all I could handle right now. (I am NOT at a point where I could handle tons of popularity.)
    I'll have to keep the lesson of Arthur Conan Doyle in mind. Maybe I'll write something I have a passing interest in only to find it go viral. Maybe the things I want to be know for will stay with a niche audience. It's a weird thing to think as someone just getting into this creative lifestyle, and I would have given up in fear of such a fate years ago. Now, I'm more curious and intrigued about what could come next.

  • @bigslurpee2078
    @bigslurpee2078 Рік тому +6

    Its terrible that he wasn't able to tell the stories he wanted to. I didn't even know he wrote anything else, looks like I've got more to read.

  • @HopeCvon
    @HopeCvon Рік тому +21

    You'd think the author of such a beloved character would recieve such admiration himself - not as the character's creator alone, but as a creator in of himself. Sadly, this just did not seem to be the case for Doyle. Always feeling like his was playing second fiddle to a fictional character. I too love Sherlock Holmes very much. He's been a favorite of mine since childhood and into adulthood. However I've always felt a ping of pain for Doyle, especially when I learned how the newspapers covered his passing and how little the public reacted to it compared to Holmes's death. It's just so disheartening to learn about.
    To any other creatives out there who might read this; keep creating BUT only for as long as YOU want. Tell the story you want to tell when YOU want. End it when you decide it is time to end. You had the power to start a character's adventure and YOU HAVE THE POWER to bring it to an end. I know how much the pressure can get to us, even from ourselves, but if you only create to satisfy other without being satisfing yourself, what's the point? YOU ARE THE CREATOR. Sometimes a creation must end for creators to be satified with their own creativity.

    • @LetoxxIant
      @LetoxxIant Рік тому +2

      "YOU HAVE THE POWER" only to a limit amount. His creation was so big, the power has left him within a short time. The pressure was IMMENSE, bigger than that G. R.R Martin is receiving to finish GoT.
      ALL the British Media, politicians, the world media, his family, his friends. You have to be a special character to live with this kind of pressure and especially hate and not give in. He would not have been happier anyway as the work he deemed to be more important or precious was never recognised.
      The only solution for him or his problemes would have been never to write Holmes to begin with.
      Some actors are in the same situation. They are known for one role - they get tired and try to break out of that role and stereotype and their success and fame just fades:
      Mark Hamill will always be known as Luke Skywalker
      Harrison Ford tried to break out of his Han Solo stereotype and acted as Indiana Jones and he created an even bigger devil for himself
      Sean Connery and so man more
      The problem is human. They are famous for a thing they seem to think of as inferior and not worth the talent they think they have and think they can do better. Disregarding the fact they already have what they dreamed of but aren't able to embrace it.

  • @mareczek00713
    @mareczek00713 Рік тому +7

    We all want to create something that outlives us in death, but that doesn't necessarily mean we want to create something that outlives us during our life.

  • @abdullahbazil7532
    @abdullahbazil7532 Рік тому +7

    It's truly awful to see people be more angry about the death of a fictional character over the death of the very real author

  • @Aranisveryfunny
    @Aranisveryfunny Рік тому +3

    I feel so bad now? I didn't even know aurthur's name! I'm ashamed as a fiction lover that I didn't even know this authors name, Sherlock is such an intriguing character but Doyle is the person fascinating person who made Sherlock! He deserves more credit than his creation

  • @Augustman22
    @Augustman22 Рік тому +2

    2:34
    That intro was beautiful, truly beautiful

  • @OllieNorthover
    @OllieNorthover Рік тому +5

    I love the Sherlock Holmes stories. But The White Company is such an incredible fun story of adventure and chivalry. If you've not read it I highly recommend it. Very enjoyable. Definitely deserves to be much more well known.

  • @moltenterror2135
    @moltenterror2135 Рік тому +3

    I don’t watch all the videos on this channel so I don’t know when it happened but the short intro animation is amazing

  • @simi5558
    @simi5558 Рік тому +2

    as a comic creator it sounds like a horror story

  • @SkylerLinux
    @SkylerLinux Рік тому +5

    Doyle is really just a pre-internet Burnt out UA-camr

  • @PichuElric
    @PichuElric Рік тому +2

    This reminds me of the tale of Berserk's writer, Kentaro Miura. He drove his body to exhaustion working on Berserk, and died too young (only in his 50s when Japanese people live till their 90s this day and age). And even when he died, the posts I saw around the social media anime groups I was in bemoaned the loss of Berserk's writer and how Berserk won't be finished anymore, and NOT sadness that the loss of Kentaro Miura the person.
    But thankfully, the writer did like his work despite the completely wrong perception most people had of it in most of the western world, and asked for his best friend, another writer, to finish his work.

  • @Ameute
    @Ameute Рік тому +3

    Once in a comic shop I had a man tell me the creator of Superman tried to kill off the character. All because they wanted to write other character and other stories. The man was a fan of Superman and mad. Mad at me for having sympathy and mad that a character that meant so much to him was almost token away.
    Today I understand why he felt that.

  • @Vithor.G16
    @Vithor.G16 Рік тому +4

    Whoa! The intro is awesome!
    Thank you for this great video!

  • @CrimsonFist89
    @CrimsonFist89 2 місяці тому +1

    Honestly, outside of the greatest necessity, I would never monetize a hobby. I can not think of a better way to learn to hate a thing you used to love than making it your day job.

  • @pete4416
    @pete4416 Рік тому +3

    Oh WOW that opening animation is truly amazing :0

  • @mariokarter13
    @mariokarter13 Рік тому +1

    "I know what you're thinking and, yes, this is the end of The Nostalgia Critic."

  • @zobiya2863
    @zobiya2863 Рік тому

    the amount of concepts and the depths explored in this one video, while staying relevant and easy to understand, I'd call it goals

  • @rociomiranda5684
    @rociomiranda5684 Рік тому +2

    That genie never went back into the bottle.

  • @ambregaudon8194
    @ambregaudon8194 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much for this video ! It was amazing !!
    I knew about Conan Doyle's story, but you explain it so well, and the animation is *chief kiss* !

  • @rami-lb5he
    @rami-lb5he Рік тому +1

    I made a slander series about our school class on another channel . I was planning on episode two . They predicted me and forced me into it . They set a deadline for a part three, At that point , I had lost all passion for the series . I thought since it kind of affected my work the people would see i cant come up with ideas . Instead the third slander became the biggest succes of them all . I made a semi spinoff an april fools special and am currently working on extras . I have a feeling that once theese deliver a part four will be requested on the spot . I feel like I can somewhat relate to Doyle as i am constantly requesting to work on animations or other edits that maybe dont have anything with the class to no avail . And sure while my rewarding and audience managers are on a much smaller scale , my line of work is aswell.

  • @dezopenguin9649
    @dezopenguin9649 Рік тому +8

    Adding to the perhaps bitter irony of it all, we sit here ninety-three years from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's death and the only reason a reader today ever has the opportunity to pick up and potentially care about any of the work that _he_ considered his most meaningful and important, is that it was by "the creator of Sherlock Holmes." Unlike the Shakespeares and Dickenses of the world, known for their entire body of work, Doyle created That One Thing and it's kind of pulled the rest of his writing output, though (outside of _The Lost World_ ) largely ignored by public and critic, along for the ride.

  • @arceusinsanity301
    @arceusinsanity301 Рік тому

    This really puts into perspective what exactly success is, financially he did amazingly, but creatively he hit a dead end, surrounded by one story. I relate to that as a writer, for most long stories you need to push through hard bits of writers' block and just lost interest, and having it out there for others puts on a lot of expectations. Writing becomes a chore rather than a passion
    I'm so glad the closest I've gotten to this was with a fanfiction with the end just always being out of reach

  • @Doktah_Zari
    @Doktah_Zari Рік тому +9

    Now I see why a lot of works stopped at 15 episodes or one or two books.
    They didn't want to end up like Doyle, but sadly Japan and many other creators didn't catch on to this sooner and are now experiencing what that poor man is going through.
    All I have to say is, story creators, finish the dang series at YOUR OWN TIME.
    If the story is at "the end", let it STAY at "the end". No season two, no season three's.
    I used to want a season two or a movie of my favorite animes, but after some roaming around in that community, I learn to appreciate what I get over what I wanted.
    To bad this is still going on knowing the people who are writing these stories are well...people and a lot of us want to much over what we have! 😞

    • @mk_gamíng0609
      @mk_gamíng0609 Рік тому +1

      Sadly Mangakas cant finish in there own pace
      The agencies who publish there works do not care for there health
      and if Mangakas started self-publishing there works the agencies would then bury them so it wont be successful

  • @Sezenian
    @Sezenian Рік тому +1

    "The Creations outgrowing the Creator"
    *Coughs in Undertale

  • @Sombody123
    @Sombody123 Рік тому

    "The show must go on."
    Such awful words in some contexts...

  • @panterraorosuke7049
    @panterraorosuke7049 Рік тому +1

    To this day, "the tale of the dancing men" is my favorite Sherlock Holms story.

  • @CloudContainer
    @CloudContainer Рік тому +1

    Humanity is purely disgusting..
    Pushing a person to live in a cage just for their own entertainment and satisfaction... Honestly, I feel glad for the Author, he got free from this trap

  • @siobhannicolson5566
    @siobhannicolson5566 Рік тому +6

    so... wait a sec... you mean to tell me that what annie wilkes attempted to do in misery, all the readers did to arthur conan doyle? forced him to bring back sherlock even tho he wanted to move on? biiig yikes

    • @edisonlima4647
      @edisonlima4647 Рік тому +5

      The novel is waaaay more open about comparison than the movie, but basically, yep.

  • @GlawiousAldredMarci
    @GlawiousAldredMarci Рік тому

    9:10 just shows how fanatical people can become and how few entertainments were available for common folks in the late 1890s :/

  • @theastral3958
    @theastral3958 Рік тому +1

    what a beautiful intro!! amazing topic loved the video i myself am a huge fan of sherlock holmes although i "only know" the movies and havent read a single book i still love the idea of this great detective

  • @john80944
    @john80944 Рік тому +1

    That's why we have CC or outsourcing nowadays. If the creator doesn't want to write more of one certain thing, just let others to do it.

  • @nicholassealstern
    @nicholassealstern Рік тому +11

    I have a question, around the time of the Sherlock Holmes publication another author wanted to do a crossover with Doyle character. Sherlock Holmes vs Arsene Lupin. Doyle didn't want Sherlock Holmes written by anyone else but him. So why did Doyle try to keep Holmes to himself to write?

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 Рік тому +1

      Ah you must confuse herlock shomes with sherlock holmes :P

    • @nicholassealstern
      @nicholassealstern Рік тому +5

      @@marocat4749 Lol! Good one, but seriously why though?

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 Рік тому +5

      @@nicholassealstern Maybe he was still very protective? Or didnt trust other authors with him? Like a love hate relationship. Or the foundation owning the rights?

    • @nicholassealstern
      @nicholassealstern Рік тому +2

      @@marocat4749 Maybe...

    • @scarxnnivs
      @scarxnnivs Рік тому +7

      Probably because Sherlock is basically attributed to him. If someone messes up his character, people would attack him first and foremost, and sounds like he was already being berated on the daily.

  • @Fl0wchart
    @Fl0wchart Рік тому

    The first 2 and a half minutes of this video makes me feel like I'm watching a History Channel show for young adults from the early 2000s, well done my friend. :)

  • @thevideogamemaster8173
    @thevideogamemaster8173 Рік тому

    Getting attached to it isn't the hard part...
    It's letting go

  • @joaquinwaters1810
    @joaquinwaters1810 Рік тому

    On the first page of Conan Doyle’s seminal dinosaur novel The Lost World (the first major piece of popular dinosaur media), there is a dedication:
    “I have wrought my simple plan
    If I give one hour of joy
    To the boy who’s half a man
    Or the man who’s half a boy.”
    However horrible it is that Doyle was subsumed by his character and a fandom that wouldn’t let him move on, I hope Doyle can rest easy knowing that he certainly wrought his simple plan.

  • @polskabalaclava
    @polskabalaclava Рік тому +1

    Damn, Toxic Fandoms seemed to exist way before the internet which is just pathetic, the fact people got that emotional over someone who doesn’t even exist irl is pure selfishness

  • @Tatopatato
    @Tatopatato Рік тому

    Remember when Sherlock Holmes said "Its Locking Time" and then locked everywhere? Ah memories.

  • @alkv7604
    @alkv7604 Рік тому +2

    I never read a holmes book, but now i think i dont want to read too many, only one or two, i feel like if i read it, i'll be ignoring and undermining arthur's death. And i really dont want to do that to him
    Did i write something cohesive? I hope you understand what i meant....

  • @Neyebureturns
    @Neyebureturns Рік тому +6

    I really feel sorry for Conan Doyle, being defeated by his own creation.
    Can you imagine what would happened if Doyle was alive today? People attacking him in twitter and other social networks.

  • @littlewillowlinda
    @littlewillowlinda Рік тому

    I feel like some of these people who are remembered for the ages become more known for their works and are struggling during life... Like as though they were there to fulfill playing a role, sometimes not even one they want to play

  • @rkade1486
    @rkade1486 Рік тому

    Understanding the power both you as the creator have and the power the customers have is important, nowadays the former is incredibly important.

  • @uriilife
    @uriilife Рік тому

    It's incredible sad how most of the comments in this video forget about how art should be about the artist too

  • @ComfortRoller
    @ComfortRoller Рік тому

    I love the Sherlock Holmes stories. Doyle did something special there. Before the internet he became the target of every troll that read his work. That is sad, I can see where that could ruin a good thing.

  • @SanjaySharma-iq6we
    @SanjaySharma-iq6we Рік тому

    Sir Doyle was also a good friend of Harry Houdini and also believed in occult and was devastated to find his younger son dead in World War I his friendship with Houdini also ended because of his irrational beliefs in the occult

  • @pxl9022
    @pxl9022 Рік тому

    10:16 that's what Eiichiro Oda is going through right now

  • @XenoMike
    @XenoMike Рік тому

    An 18 minute prelude to a 2 minute ad bravo

  • @MadArtillery
    @MadArtillery Рік тому

    Such a sad story I shed some tears which is an incredibly rare thing for me to say.

  • @Chrisspru
    @Chrisspru Рік тому +1

    one can also ask others to continue projects in your stead. that can include outlines, a vetting of the inheritor and a right to veto. this way one can make a burden that many like into a self carrier.

  • @cake6377
    @cake6377 Рік тому

    There should be a meme of "Arthur Conan Doyle - Suffering from success" because this is 100% what it means (likely not what the meme means but the words are just so right damn)

  • @lostanimeworld11
    @lostanimeworld11 Рік тому +1

    The more things changed, the more they stayed the same.

  • @UXMetalVTuber
    @UXMetalVTuber Рік тому +4

    Sometimes the creation grows bigger than the author was ever prepared to deal with. Leeching off from their very life, turning it into a hectic, exhausting and miserable existence.
    Authors should strive to find a balance.
    When is the point when it stops being a joy and it becomes a torture?

  • @verySharkey
    @verySharkey Рік тому

    Life is but an exchange of Time for Memories, though that does not mean you can stop to shop with your time, no. The past is what exchanges you have made, a record of all your exchanges in the form of memories. All you can control is what you'll exchange the future for.

  • @赖jingjing
    @赖jingjing Рік тому

    Fun fact here: Doyle's first Sherlock Holmes story -A Study in Scarlet-was a published in Beeton's Christmas Anual instead of Strand Magazine. And it was not a success. It is the second story-The Sign of the Four - that made Holmes famous.

  • @lucase6077
    @lucase6077 Рік тому

    I didn't know about this. That's quite a tragic story...

  • @aptdccvii
    @aptdccvii Рік тому

    this is so heartbreaking

  • @brunonda1
    @brunonda1 Рік тому +2

    The new opening is LIT!

  • @teamprimarina
    @teamprimarina Рік тому +1

    So Ikemen Vampire is accurate

  • @djpon7969
    @djpon7969 5 місяців тому

    I have so Sherlock Holmes book being so good. I feel so bad for the author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle how he overworked but he do make some amazing book.

  • @TheTrueSpottedStripe
    @TheTrueSpottedStripe Рік тому +1

    Fandoms...Fandoms never change

  • @TeamQuigley
    @TeamQuigley Рік тому

    Funny how this made me think of Marie Corelli's Sorrows of Satan. My brain makes some weird connections.

  • @Stethanaholmes
    @Stethanaholmes Рік тому

    6 years. People back then didn't know patience, one piece fans would never.

  • @LadyVLR
    @LadyVLR 11 місяців тому

    (Spoiler Alert) I rewatched this after reading The Final Problem, which I realized contained something maybe considered ironic: Holmes and Watson are on the run from Moriarty, and at the point they think police have captured him, they get a telegram that they've only captured his gang, but not him. Holmes says to Watson that with the whole gang captured, Moriarty has no career left, which means Moriarty would definitely pursue him to his end. Him on their tail is what leads them to head to Reichenbach Falls.

  • @koopaking6148
    @koopaking6148 Рік тому +1

    Have to admit I might not know exactly what Conan Doyle went through but to certain extent I think I can relate...

  • @modernnationgame
    @modernnationgame Рік тому +4

    This is kinda similar how it felt to come out as trans and put in the perspective what I would of felt if I don't. Great video as always ❤

  • @janellafernandez6476
    @janellafernandez6476 Рік тому

    Rest In Peace Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

  • @sophiaisabelle01
    @sophiaisabelle01 Рік тому +5

    May God bless everyone. Have a good day.

  • @piggyproalice2
    @piggyproalice2 Рік тому +1

    the characters look like murder drones characters

  • @MazdaTiger
    @MazdaTiger Рік тому +1

    basically he is "Suffering from Success"

  • @vezokpiraka
    @vezokpiraka Рік тому

    While I do believe Mr Doyle was really exhausted with the character when he killed him, I do believe that he accepted the way the world saw him.
    He was an amazing author who not only invented a character that is extremely popular a hundred years later, he also basically created the foundation for Noir and Dinosaurs stories. To me this implies that while he wasn't particularly happy with how the world saw him, he was also content.
    And like nobody remembers authors. We know the Iliad, but have no idea who Homer was. We basically know everyone who wrote in the Bible and yet, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who is not a religious scholar, know who wrote each part.
    It's just the name of the game. Stories are what sticks. Sure it's weird to have it happen while you're still alive, but it's how it ends up.

  • @illiteratemochi4150
    @illiteratemochi4150 8 місяців тому

    “They get so lost in the creation of their world that they never get the chance to tell that world’s story.”
    Me: *sweats*

  • @Pepeutra
    @Pepeutra Рік тому

    600k subs and yet i still think this channel is WAY too small for this quality, jeez

  • @ms-ht1cj
    @ms-ht1cj Рік тому

    Someone said that once a story is published, its hero doesn't belong to the author anymore. It becames readers' "property". I think it's true, because often we think about book or movies' characters as living, real people.

  • @arunkukreti4574
    @arunkukreti4574 Рік тому

    His life started with homes and ended with it..

  • @theultimatememelord5494
    @theultimatememelord5494 Рік тому

    Wow, now I'm scared of publishing a book about my own character because I'm scared I'll end up like Doyle.

  • @angelfernando5327
    @angelfernando5327 Рік тому +886

    The fact that he (supposedly) didn't get writers block despite hating the story and the character itself, is truly impressive.

    • @georgemeyers7172
      @georgemeyers7172 Рік тому +62

      Maybe even himself liked it... but he just wanted a break... but never got one.

    • @alessandrorossi1294
      @alessandrorossi1294 Рік тому +66

      When you get asked to do something over and over, you come up with formulas and tricks that are easy to follow so you can churn out more consistently.

    • @georgemeyers7172
      @georgemeyers7172 Рік тому

      @@studiouskid1528 Poor and desitute?

    • @georgemeyers7172
      @georgemeyers7172 Рік тому

      @@studiouskid1528 Where?

    • @georgemeyers7172
      @georgemeyers7172 Рік тому

      @@studiouskid1528 What novel?