One thing I love is that this show embraced that when you have different realms and magic that effects aging and such people looks dont give you a clear idea of ages and the longer they've lived the more chance of a tangled complicated history . Parents can look or be younger than their kids. Family trees get all twisty and complicated. Its great!
I think the set up with Malcolm was that he had a really crappy life when he was young, not really a childhood and so thought that he deserved an easy-going life when he grew up as payback for that. Whether he was happy to give that up initially when he had a wife and newborn (he seemed pretty excited when Rumple was born) or if he was likely to be an absentee father we may never know. He could have abandoned Rumple as a boy, but if that's because he still cared about him a little or maybe because he thought he might need his help occasionally I don't know. Maybe if he didn't have to abandon Rumple in order to become young he would have stuck with him. Someone to play with like the Lost Boys became.
No. It's not that he was never meant to be a father. He chooses not to be one. Or rather act like one. It's an excuse. He chooses to put himself above his son and everyone else. As well as his pain above everything else, as we would later learn. He serves his pain and selfish desires.
He's a coward is what he is. He never wanted to be a father and was never prepared to be one so he found a loophole to get out of being an adult and a father and just straight abandons his only son. Him like his grown up son is in every sense of the word a coward.
@@kennethkazanow3604 My only slight correction would be that he chooses to be a selfish coward. In many moments. At least his son learns to choose the better option more often and, in the end, chooses to have courage and love one last time.
@@JiraiyaSama86 yea I can agree with that. Even with the whole thing of Baelfire going into the portal he chose power over his son but he regretted it immediately after Baelfire disappeared. Pan did everything he did with no remorse whatsoever. Rumple was a coward but he grew have courage and has remorse for his selfish cowardly actions. There is a difference between the two for sure.
The Pan arc is why i loved season 3 of Once so much because it's such a unique twist making Pan Rumple's father AND it's such an interesting twist on the Peter Pan story as a whole cause if you think about it in a certain persepective Peter Pan is an enemy. He essentially kidnaps Wendy and other children and promises them that they never have to grow up all because that's what HE wants. HE always wants to be a boy and have fun. HE never wanted to grow up. He's really just a selfish trickster and coward wanting others to join in on his "fun." There's a reason why Wendy, John and Micheal eventually go back home by the end of the original story. The point of the story is even though yes it sucks to grow up it has to be done. Noone can be a child forever.
One thing I love is that this show embraced that when you have different realms and magic that effects aging and such people looks dont give you a clear idea of ages and the longer they've lived the more chance of a tangled complicated history . Parents can look or be younger than their kids. Family trees get all twisty and complicated. Its great!
so Peter is rumple's dad meaning bae's grandpa and Henry's great grandpa😅 he is too charming for such relationships 😅
Everyone thought Pan was already in Neverland at that point and killed Rumples dad. Nice twist!
Good theory
@@user-bs5ib6ck3r Good but wrong lol
Killed Rumples father? I haven’t watched OUAT yet but from what I can tell isn’t Peter his father..?
@@Lily-Slytherin- Yes. That he killed Rumples dad was a theory that was ultimately proven incorrect
That was true, from a certain point of view.
I almost cried cause I felt so bad for rumple and peter
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Why Peter ? Only Rumple.
Wtf man Peter is pure evil don’t feel bad. What is with everyone obsession with him.
I think the set up with Malcolm was that he had a really crappy life when he was young, not really a childhood and so thought that he deserved an easy-going life when he grew up as payback for that. Whether he was happy to give that up initially when he had a wife and newborn (he seemed pretty excited when Rumple was born) or if he was likely to be an absentee father we may never know. He could have abandoned Rumple as a boy, but if that's because he still cared about him a little or maybe because he thought he might need his help occasionally I don't know. Maybe if he didn't have to abandon Rumple in order to become young he would have stuck with him. Someone to play with like the Lost Boys became.
is it any reason why rumple is so messed up.no wonder he did not trust anyone.
No. It's not that he was never meant to be a father. He chooses not to be one. Or rather act like one. It's an excuse. He chooses to put himself above his son and everyone else. As well as his pain above everything else, as we would later learn. He serves his pain and selfish desires.
He's a coward is what he is. He never wanted to be a father and was never prepared to be one so he found a loophole to get out of being an adult and a father and just straight abandons his only son. Him like his grown up son is in every sense of the word a coward.
@@kennethkazanow3604 My only slight correction would be that he chooses to be a selfish coward. In many moments.
At least his son learns to choose the better option more often and, in the end, chooses to have courage and love one last time.
@@JiraiyaSama86 yea I can agree with that. Even with the whole thing of Baelfire going into the portal he chose power over his son but he regretted it immediately after Baelfire disappeared. Pan did everything he did with no remorse whatsoever. Rumple was a coward but he grew have courage and has remorse for his selfish cowardly actions. There is a difference between the two for sure.
Pan's Shadow in Once Upon A Time felt almost like The Grudge ghost with how it croaks.
That's Marilyn Manson as the Shadow btw.
I was thinking the Predator
The Pan arc is why i loved season 3 of Once so much because it's such a unique twist making Pan Rumple's father AND it's such an interesting twist on the Peter Pan story as a whole cause if you think about it in a certain persepective Peter Pan is an enemy. He essentially kidnaps Wendy and other children and promises them that they never have to grow up all because that's what HE wants. HE always wants to be a boy and have fun. HE never wanted to grow up. He's really just a selfish trickster and coward wanting others to join in on his "fun." There's a reason why Wendy, John and Micheal eventually go back home by the end of the original story. The point of the story is even though yes it sucks to grow up it has to be done. Noone can be a child forever.
for me peter pan is the best villain of the season 3
Malcolm was the worst father. He basically hated Rumple from his birth because of what happened to his wife
So Peter Pan basically abandoned his son so he can fly
it's monstrous, he's an asshole
and if of years later rumple wanted to become the dark one, it was to protect his son baelfire
baelfire was this than rumple loved the most in his life
I was shocked when I found out that Pan was evil 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😨
@@Aperez5189 The original Peter Pan, whilst never this bad, was always somewhat morally questionable. Later versions toned him down.
Rumple💔💔💔
4:11-4:18 it looks to me like pan is in pain and regrets his decision
Dammit,how could I have not noticed before that that was Wyatt Oleff
Awww wee lamb
What a cowardly excuse for a Father ! I like this twist on Perter Pan tho. I’ve never seen the series but I’ve seen these clips Before !
Daddy don’t please no I need you dad
It is so sad
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WYATT?!?
I want to fly and then I die