I'm a Manchester United fan, but i deeply respect Sir Bill Shankly for the tremendous contributions he has made to English football. To hear him speak about Sir Matt Busby brings shivers down my spine. They were 2 legendary managers who were responsible for the creation of two legendary clubs from England.
I hate it when some Man U fans berate everything about Liverpool FC and likewise when LFC fans insult MUFC. Why can't we all just follow the the example of these two LEGENDARY men and have a gentleman's rivalry compared to the hooliganism we have today. To the real Man U fans, YNWA, a loyal Kopite.
Busby the greatest manager britain ever seen, even Fifa and uefa recognised this .. what he did was remarkable!! For ever and ever, we follow the boys, of man united the busy babes! ""UNITED WILL RISE AGAIN"" (Harold Hardman charimain 1951-65) R.I.P. BABES
Those words you have spoken are words of a TRUE Football fan. We all can agree that these 2 men were Legends in not only their lifetime, but for the rest of Eternity. Between them, they shaped the future of Football as we know it today, and we all long for a day for the honour to return, without bringing up past disasters, events and passings of players, supporters and managers. Lifelong LFC Fan Rip the Busby babes and the 96
no matter how bad the rivalry between liverpool & man united without a doubt these 2 clubs are what british football are & should be about..passion & love for the game..not like clubs like man city where they are more concern bout money instead..football should be like how it use to be..
Im a manc but think shankly is the one that brought real success to liverpool, he had a good backroom staff ( boot room) and built a platform for paisly to be successful.??. Lets hope uniteds next manager does a paisly?
Couple of months ago was watching footballs greatest managers and it was programme on him. Quality guy and eveb better manager laid the foundation down for paisly.. and im a manc
The thing is that Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley and Sir Matt Busby all had tremendous respect for each other and Sir Alex and King Kenny Dalglish used to openly cuss each other on the pitch when Liverpool and Manchester United went head to head back in the day. (I'm a Liverpool fan. LFC 4 the PREM- 2008/2009)
What would these 2 Legends have done to the league IF they had the millions to spend managers have today?? Imagine these Gentlemen including Bob Paisley, Jock Stein, Don Revie and Brian Clough, shaping the game as we now know it..........British Teams would be untouchable. Two honourable gentlemen, with the greatest respect for each other. Thank you for what you both did for the game
A great posting thanks. Matt Busby came to give out the awards to our (liverpool school) sports day in the early eighties - I couldn't believe it - everyone was a bit in awe of him.
I'm a Liverpool fan and I agree with 123aidankirrane321. There will never again be another Shankly or Busby. Give either one of them the time and money that Sir Alex has and there's no end to what they could have done for both clubs. (LFC 4 the PREM- 2008/2009)
ALL HAIL KING SHANKS AND SIR MATT!!! Without them, Liverpool FC and Manchester United FC would not have become the two most successful, greatest English clubs in the history of football!!! (greatest clubs in football, possibly)
What a great era that was, with humility and respect between the top clubs and managers. The schoolboy nonsense between Ferguson and Benitez only breeds more hatred between supporters.
You know pal, I am a die hard liverpool fan and i don't like Utd in the way you don't like your rivals but what you said is spot on. We as clubs are great clubs with great history maybe why we are such rivals but to mock the dead in any way is wrong. Life is far to important for fans to shout and abuse as people are still suffering with what has happened. Respect to you for this post. P.S i still want to beat you to the title though. haha
Unbelieveable and humble thing to say about another man who i think was equal to Bill, It is true that Sir Matt did lead the way in European football when once again the cowards and unknowns at the FA advised against it, Sir Matt lead the way and bill (who should also had been knighted) Carried the flag tirelessly, 2 absolute gentlemen, There is also a living similarity between Sir Alex and Kenny, and what do they all have in common?, all jocks lol, all great in their own way. RIP Shanks
They were both amazing in their own rights... they should be revered with the same respect they showed each other. Ridiculous how offensive managers are to each other these days i.e. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho Nice to see people like Scolari coming into the English game and displaying outright respect for his fellow pro's. RIP Shanks and Busby
as a liverpool fan i dont say this lightly. the greatest manager of all time wasnt busby, shankly paisley or ferguson. it was brian clough. he won the title with unfashionable derby in the early 70s the replicated this at forest in 78. but he went a giant step forward and won 2 european cups in a row in 79 and 1980. to put it in perspective he won 2 european cups within 12 months like bob paisley. ferguson is at utd a quarter of a century now, and has won 2 european cups, not back to back though
Well said Shanks and in all fairness you were a great manager yourself and like Matt Busby a very modest man.A big loss to the game when you retired suddenly after 1974 Cup Final.
It's more like a new manager coming in at Newcastle and spending a decent amount of money, then them reaching the top 6. It was far easier to do improve a team back then, there was no Champions League cash turning the Top 4 into a closed shop.
My top ten british managers ever would have to be in no particular order. Stein Shankly Busby Clough (Taylor) Mclean (Dundee Utd) Ferguson Revie Paisley Robson Nicholson Thers only one man left on that list today. And i dont see anyone joining them at the moment. Legends.
@adrianse567 But down the road, the likes of Chelsea, Real Madrid and Manchester City don't know how to maintain success if they keep spending and spending and spending while other clubs like Manchester United, Liverpool and Barcelona do spend, but also develop players from within their youth sides.
Harsh....Anfield may have been the biggest toilet in liverpool but United had a huge overdraft at the bank and didnt even have a ground when Busby took over! And he may have inherited a good team in the 40s but he still had to rebuild it twice, in the 50s and again in the 60s with fantastic success both times. They were both great managers and great men, the like of which will never be seen again.
Fergusan will go down as a great his record speaks for itself but how how much did fergusan win in his first 6 years at man utd, it takes time for a manager to become great. Benitez jst needs time he has already proven he can win major titles.
i have never really thought of any manchester united manager being great. i hate manchester united but if shanks says it, it must be true, but i think he is being modest because he is the best manager then matt busby. one question and one only why was busby and fergerson knighted and shankley and paisley werent? confusing question of life.
Clough had two second division teams, took one of them to the title, and the other to consecutive European Cups. Sir Alex Ferguson took a team from near the relegation zone to the pinnacle of English football. Jock Stein won the Quadruple with a team of local lads. Paisley won 3 European Cups Saachi revolutionised football tactically. To say Shankly is the greatest shows ignorance and disrespect to these other greats. Spelling his name "Shankley" disrespects him.
Although I don't particularly like Liverpool Football Club, If Matt Busby and Bill Shankly can respect each other, then we as fans should be able to drop the Munich and Hillsborough stuff. Women and children died at Hillsborough and it's not funny, families suffered after Munich and that isn't funny either. R.I.P. To all 96 Hillsborough victims R.I.P. To the Busby Babes and everyone who died in the Munich Air Disaster. Mocking the dead is wank. From a United fan.
Benitez shows Ferguson no respect because Ferguson, despite his undoubted achievements in football is a bully and a hypocrite and deserves no respect. Busby, Shankley and Paisley were decent and honourable men and can be thought of as Greats IMO
also shanks never won the european cup matt busby did. the players busby brought up ie best , edwards , charlton , stiles , coleman , pegg etc etc where better than the ones shanks brought up.
@starryian007 too late my friend the corporations own the game its a business now its millionaire A team vrs millionaire 2 team no loyalty just money and how much can we squeeze from the blind fools i dont follow football anymore prefer to watch the kids play in the park thats real!
Brian Clough, Don Revie and Jock Stein should be added to that list too, but with all due respect, Ferguson would be at the foot of the list, not because of Man Utd, but he's no where near the class of the others
with me being a kopite, i like the rivallry between man utd & ourselves but hate all the sick comments about munich, hillsborough etc that u often find on youtube & other sites. as 'slater 071' says, matt busby was our captain throughout the 1930's & was at the club 4 a long time. i'm only 28 but hate the uneducated idiots who probably werent even around 20 yrs ago, that make sick comments about shanks & sir matt. dont get me wrong, i dont like man utd but i'll give credit where it's due.
All GREAT Managers but Shankly built Liverpool from nothing as well.Bottom of Division 2 with an old decrepit Stadium.He built an Empire as well...and no manager was closer to HIS people...from a Millwall Fan.
I'm a Manchester United fan, but i deeply respect Sir Bill Shankly for the tremendous contributions he has made to English football. To hear him speak about Sir Matt Busby brings shivers down my spine. They were 2 legendary managers who were responsible for the creation of two legendary clubs from England.
Scottish mangers have always been the best.
im a man united fan and i cant believe that Bill Shankley was never knighted like Sir Matt was
I hate it when some Man U fans berate everything about Liverpool FC and likewise when LFC fans insult MUFC. Why can't we all just follow the the example of these two LEGENDARY men and have a gentleman's rivalry compared to the hooliganism we have today. To the real Man U fans, YNWA, a loyal Kopite.
God bless you Shanks. Warrior poet, hero, legend. We will never see your like again.
Gerry
MUFC supporter.
Liverpool Legends Busby and Shankley
shankly, busby, jock stein, ferguson...the best. All Scots aswell.
Busby Liverpool legend
Two perfect gentlemen who fully deserved their success.
Busby the greatest manager britain ever seen, even Fifa and uefa recognised this .. what he did was remarkable!!
For ever and ever, we follow the boys, of man united the busy babes!
""UNITED WILL RISE AGAIN""
(Harold Hardman charimain 1951-65)
R.I.P. BABES
Those words you have spoken are words of a TRUE Football fan. We all can agree that these 2 men were Legends in not only their lifetime, but for the rest of Eternity. Between them, they shaped the future of Football as we know it today, and we all long for a day for the honour to return, without bringing up past disasters, events and passings of players, supporters and managers.
Lifelong LFC Fan
Rip the Busby babes and the 96
respect to both men, both legends of their respective clubs jft96 rip busby babes
What a voice!
no matter how bad the rivalry between liverpool & man united without a doubt these 2 clubs are what british football are & should be about..passion & love for the game..not like clubs like man city where they are more concern bout money instead..football should be like how it use to be..
Matt Busby played for Liverpool - FACT!
It is nice to see that these two great human beings, Shankly and Busby, still in their death bring people together! From a United fan!
Im a manc but think shankly is the one that brought real success to liverpool, he had a good backroom staff ( boot room) and built a platform for paisly to be successful.??. Lets hope uniteds next manager does a paisly?
Couple of months ago was watching footballs greatest managers and it was programme on him. Quality guy and eveb better manager laid the foundation down for paisly.. and im a manc
The thing is that Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley and Sir Matt Busby all had tremendous respect for each other and Sir Alex and King Kenny Dalglish used to openly cuss each other on the pitch when Liverpool and Manchester United went head to head back in the day. (I'm a Liverpool fan. LFC 4 the PREM- 2008/2009)
What would these 2 Legends have done to the league IF they had the millions to spend managers have today??
Imagine these Gentlemen including Bob Paisley, Jock Stein, Don Revie and Brian Clough, shaping the game as we now know it..........British Teams would be untouchable.
Two honourable gentlemen, with the greatest respect for each other. Thank you for what you both did for the game
A great posting thanks. Matt Busby came to give out the awards to our (liverpool school) sports day in the early eighties - I couldn't believe it - everyone was a bit in awe of him.
I'm a Liverpool fan and I agree with 123aidankirrane321. There will never again be another Shankly or Busby. Give either one of them the time and money that Sir Alex has and there's no end to what they could have done for both clubs. (LFC 4 the PREM- 2008/2009)
ALL HAIL KING SHANKS AND SIR MATT!!!
Without them, Liverpool FC and Manchester United FC would not have become the two most successful, greatest English clubs in the history of football!!! (greatest clubs in football, possibly)
well said!
Two great men.
What a great era that was, with humility and respect between the top clubs and managers.
The schoolboy nonsense between Ferguson and Benitez only breeds more hatred between supporters.
You know pal, I am a die hard liverpool fan and i don't like Utd in the way you don't like your rivals but what you said is spot on. We as clubs are great clubs with great history maybe why we are such rivals but to mock the dead in any way is wrong. Life is far to important for fans to shout and abuse as people are still suffering with what has happened.
Respect to you for this post. P.S i still want to beat you to the title though. haha
Shanks had respect for men who knew about the game. Not mindless violent bigots
Unbelieveable and humble thing to say about another man who i think was equal to Bill, It is true that Sir Matt did lead the way in European football when once again the cowards and unknowns at the FA advised against it,
Sir Matt lead the way and bill (who should also had been knighted) Carried the flag tirelessly, 2 absolute gentlemen, There is also a living similarity between Sir Alex and Kenny, and what do they all have in common?, all jocks lol, all great in their own way.
RIP Shanks
a true great of the game
respect from the kop
Shankly was the greatest.
They were both amazing in their own rights... they should be revered with the same respect they showed each other.
Ridiculous how offensive managers are to each other these days i.e. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho
Nice to see people like Scolari coming into the English game and displaying outright respect for his fellow pro's.
RIP Shanks and Busby
as a liverpool fan i dont say this lightly. the greatest manager of all time wasnt busby, shankly paisley or ferguson. it was brian clough. he won the title with unfashionable derby in the early 70s the replicated this at forest in 78. but he went a giant step forward and won 2 european cups in a row in 79 and 1980. to put it in perspective he won 2 european cups within 12 months like bob paisley. ferguson is at utd a quarter of a century now, and has won 2 european cups, not back to back though
Well said Shanks and in all fairness you were a great manager yourself and like Matt Busby a very modest man.A big loss to the game when you retired suddenly after 1974 Cup Final.
Epic.
Yes because he learnt from Shanks, he was Liverpool Captain as a player as well.
Fair play to you and I never thought I'd say that to a Man U Fan :)
I agree with you 100%.
He didnt just play for Liverpool, he captained the side. Man Utd fans either dont know or conveniently forget this.
Busby was a Liverpool man.
Dont forget that Matt Busby was a great Liverpool player.
well said mate. wish there were more fans with our attitude to football. from a kopite.
When Liverpool managers had class....
i would have loved to see bill shankly give fergie a glasgow kiss and put him in his place
@deejayreload Busby...Shankly...Stein...Ferguson...what great managers scotland had..ahhh.
It's more like a new manager coming in at Newcastle and spending a decent amount of money, then them reaching the top 6. It was far easier to do improve a team back then, there was no Champions League cash turning the Top 4 into a closed shop.
At Man United, there isn't a player who you think: 'God, I f******* hate him. They're all good lads" - Jamie Carragher
My top ten british managers ever would have to be in no particular order.
Stein
Shankly
Busby
Clough (Taylor)
Mclean (Dundee Utd)
Ferguson
Revie
Paisley
Robson
Nicholson
Thers only one man left on that list today.
And i dont see anyone joining them at the moment. Legends.
Well its nice to see your attitude. The Munich and Hillsborough comments sicken me, it goes way beyond football rivalry.
Busby. Liverpool captain, where he learnt his trade
Here here. As much as us red's dislike each other mocking tradigies like hilssborough and munich is just not acceptable.
@danlfc1983 Stein, Ferguson, Busby, Shankly,and Paisley.
Red! ffs come with us!
@rashersmark you're right, no need for the hatred
@CumaUnitedRoad three of those four either played or managed Liverpool?
@adrianse567
But down the road, the likes of Chelsea, Real Madrid and Manchester City don't know how to maintain success if they keep spending and spending and spending while other clubs like Manchester United, Liverpool and Barcelona do spend, but also develop players from within their youth sides.
Harsh....Anfield may have been the biggest toilet in liverpool but United had a huge overdraft at the bank and didnt even have a ground when Busby took over! And he may have inherited a good team in the 40s but he still had to rebuild it twice, in the 50s and again in the 60s with fantastic success both times.
They were both great managers and great men, the like of which will never be seen again.
Fergusan will go down as a great his record speaks for itself but how how much did fergusan win in his first 6 years at man utd, it takes time for a manager to become great. Benitez jst needs time he has already proven he can win major titles.
i have never really thought of any manchester united manager being great. i hate manchester united but if shanks says it, it must be true, but i think he is being modest because he is the best manager then matt busby. one question and one only why was busby and fergerson knighted and shankley and paisley werent? confusing question of life.
much respct
Its Bill Shankly mate.
Take a lesson and you will see football taught by Matt Busby,
Oh Manchester.. Manchester United
rafa goatee can you explain your comments
Busby was the best...NFT.
Can't think of a bigger honer, of being managed by Matt Busby..
the closest fergie's come t praisin another manager is when he said wenger had done well t stay around so long
@danlfc1983
Could've agreed more.
@starryian007 there's no "sportsmanship" in football nowadays - it's all about business !
Gandhi said there's no religion higher than the truth.
Clough had two second division teams, took one of them to the title, and the other to consecutive European Cups.
Sir Alex Ferguson took a team from near the relegation zone to the pinnacle of English football.
Jock Stein won the Quadruple with a team of local lads.
Paisley won 3 European Cups
Saachi revolutionised football tactically.
To say Shankly is the greatest shows ignorance and disrespect to these other greats. Spelling his name "Shankley" disrespects him.
Although I don't particularly like Liverpool Football Club, If Matt Busby and Bill Shankly can respect each other, then we as fans should be able to drop the Munich and Hillsborough stuff. Women and children died at Hillsborough and it's not funny, families suffered after Munich and that isn't funny either.
R.I.P. To all 96 Hillsborough victims
R.I.P. To the Busby Babes and everyone who died in the Munich Air Disaster.
Mocking the dead is wank.
From a United fan.
Benitez shows Ferguson no respect because Ferguson, despite his undoubted achievements in football is a bully and a hypocrite and deserves no respect. Busby, Shankley and Paisley were decent and honourable men and can be thought of as Greats IMO
Sometimes Shanks was wrong though. ;)
Shanks was the best for me though.
I wonder how Busby would have dealt with with Rooney?
Rafael Benitez take note.
With the utmost respect to both legends Shankly and Busby, Sir Alex Ferguson has to by now be regarded at the greatest manager of all time.
@XV24 And?
also shanks never won the european cup matt busby did. the players busby brought up ie best , edwards , charlton , stiles , coleman , pegg etc etc where better than the ones shanks brought up.
Bollocks to knighting, they should be canonised
@starryian007 too late my friend the corporations own the game
its a business
now its millionaire A team vrs millionaire 2 team
no loyalty just money and how much can we squeeze from the blind fools
i dont follow football anymore
prefer to watch the kids play in the park thats real!
Brian Clough, Don Revie and Jock Stein should be added to that list too, but with all due respect, Ferguson would be at the foot of the list, not because of Man Utd, but he's no where near the class of the others
with me being a kopite, i like the rivallry between man utd & ourselves but hate all the sick comments about munich, hillsborough etc that u often find on youtube & other sites. as 'slater 071' says, matt busby was our captain throughout the 1930's & was at the club 4 a long time. i'm only 28 but hate the uneducated idiots who probably werent even around 20 yrs ago, that make sick comments about shanks & sir matt. dont get me wrong, i dont like man utd but i'll give credit where it's due.
Paisley won 20 trophies in 9 years
Ferguson has won 27 in 22 years
Shankly and paisley greatest ever!
because people get knighted for almost anything now. even being foul mouthed and arrogant
obviously Rafa haven't lernt Shankly´s facts, :lol:
All GREAT Managers but Shankly built Liverpool from nothing as well.Bottom of Division 2 with an old decrepit Stadium.He built an Empire as well...and no manager was closer to HIS people...from a Millwall Fan.
Ferguson isn't even fit to lace either of these two's shoes.
Ferguson two European Cups in EIGHTEEN attempts! That is not a good record!