Global Chip Shortage Forces Canon to Sell Ink Without DRM
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- Опубліковано 27 жов 2024
- In this video I discuss Canon being forced to manufacture printer ink cartridges without DRM computer chips on them.
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The fact that my 3D printer is infinitely easier to use than any "2D" printer I've ever used (except with CUPS software) is baffling.
That's because 3D printing haven't reached the scale of industry that need anti-consumer technology to squeeze every dollar out of you yet.
That's been my joke for a long time now :P The 3D printer with a raspberry pi even has better wifi connectivity than my printer. I have wanted to look into what homebuilt options are potentially available for 2D printing for a while now, besides just a ballpoint pen slapped onto the hotend of the Ender-3.
2D printing has been long out-of-patent and hasn't had any meaningful room for improvement, so the only way to make a profit is with underhand BS. 3D printing just got out of patent control and has plenty of room for improvement, so they can still make a profit off of it. Eventually, when 3D printing plateaus, we can expect the same BS with them. We're living in the heyday right now. Born too late to explore the earth, born too early to explore the universe, but born just in time to 3d print a firearm in the shape of male genitalia!
I can already see it... We'll be going back to clay tablets because it's easier to 3D print something than putting it on a piece of paper.
CUPS is op
We live in a society where ink has DRM
Yep
**thoughts of emigrating to Canada intensify**
Truly dystopian.
"DRM and it's consequences have been a disaster to humanity and it's consequences have been dire"
Pirating hardware is always a fascinating occurrence
@TheDudeAmongDidsDude that's my plan.
The fact that Canon is suffering after all the years of pain they've caused for their anti-consumer anti-environmental regime, is _everyone's silver lining_ to this dark cloud of chip shortages.
I think there should be a lot of laws against that chip, not all the time there are times where where it’s needed. That chip has a lot of anti-competitive practices on it’s belt, Elon musk.
@@freedomdude5420 The law is p2w. And who's gonna fight one of the richest man in that same game?
@@belldrop7365 Thank you.
The ink cartridge scam is so big that a friend I had around 10 years ago just bought new printers and sold the old ones whenever he ran outta ink. It was somehow cheaper to buy a whole ass machine than a small plastic box with ink.
"a friend I had" yeah, If I were your friend, I would end up friendship over this too, if I don't teach to my friends how to save money on scams, then how good of a friend would I be ?
@@monad_tcp lmao this always comes up when we're speaking about the ink cartridges scam.
@@monad_tcp I do the same too, I don't print paper that often so when I know I'll be needing a certain amount of printing to be done it is cheaper for me to use a disposable printer then sell it when not needed, the HP ones without the scanner literally costs the same as a pair of Black + Tricolor cartridges which is nuts.
by the way HP printers no longer come with a USB cord in the box because they're now ""eco-friendly""
And was it really worth destroying the environment just so you could save that few extra bucks?
Not that I'm defending these pathetic excuses of companies, but throwing a mostly functional printer away will only contribute to the shit ton of e-waste.
@@mice2188 Yes
It's worse than even that. The printer calculates the amount of ink used through an algorithm and once the printer determines that the ink should be empty (usually far from it) then that cartridge is disabled. It was their answer to the refill syringe kits that came around in the 2000s. I'm surprised lawmakers haven't gone after them yet for the e-waste.
Haha, good one. They have the lawmakers in their corner, not ours.
fuck e waste. its a scam
@@Videoswithsoarin tell that to the 100s of thousands of tons of usable or repairable electronics americans throw out every year.
@@Videoswithsoarin bruh
Lawmakers?
"They actually lose money when selling printers"
Well, that explains why every printer on my workplace seems to be cheap garbage that breaks all of the time, then.
No, that’s mostly by design - so they can sell your company on the repair service when those printers do go down.
capitalism leads to shitty products so you have to buy a new one
@@fkujakedmyname Without capitalism there would be no products
@@suspicioustumbleweed4760 You are implying products didn't exist before capitalism... Brilliant.
The point is in our capitalistic ecosystem, that naturally the want for bigger profits means an increase in dishonest, anti-consumer practices. So instead of deflecting the convo, try to add to ways we can resolve issues.
Or keep being an anti intellectual black hole.
@@silverblack110 Literally a product is capital. There is no distinction.
This is the only good thing I've seen come out of this chip shortage.
Watching mining cucks and scalpers spend $3,000 on $600 GPU's is surely going to destroy a lot of these clowns. Just like how you couldn't give away 1080's or RX 480's after 2018.
@@dialupdavid Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't crypto miners suffering the least because they get confidential suppliers most of the time and buy in bulk
There is nothing wrong with buying GPU for mining vs gaming. What's wrong is scalping and forcing DRM on consumers
This and the AFM system in GM trucks
@@dialupdavid can't wait for part 2 of those cheap "gently used" $100 RX 480's
The most mad I have ever seen my dad is when he found out the new Epson printer he just bought had ink carts that would just quit working cuz a set amount of time had passed and the DRM told the printer "The ink is too old, please buy a new full set" even though those bitches were still 75% full sloshing around in there.
Even if I had all the money in the world, just on principle I would lose my shit and destroy the printer.
Iirc you can hack the Epson printer to use normal cartridge with separated ink tank and you can reset the printer whenever it show low on ink.
Everybody in my country (third party printer shop) do this because it's sells more than normal OEM printer lol.
Imagine if the DRM circuitry broke on the printer's side...
Put tape over the drm and then use a bypass
The fact that they resorted to use DRM on their ink in the first place is just outrageous.
The deserves much worse actually.
bring back capital punishment... nvm the US still has that. in that case, I suggest we use it.
This is the perfect opportunity for the open source community to come together and cut the monopolies out of business entirely
Unfortunately intellectual property laws prevent that, hence piracy.
@@-haclong2366 Have you heard of Libresilicon?
not enough people give a shit to do something. they aren't super happy about growing monopolies but will steadily feed them money because life is a busy occupation and most older people dont know or care about the digital world
EcoTank Series? While it's from Epson, it basically sounds like what you want.
Gotta get government out of the way first. They're the ones who help enable this crap.
Man if only there was a non-drm printer running on open source software, I would pay way way more for a printer that actually respects users
Only replying to see if anyone replies with an open source printer
also printing on linux is way way easier than on windows for some reason, it's usually the opposite in most aspects
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I wonder if buying some ancient printer is actually worth it. I dont know when my current printer was made but the default date on the clock is 2007. It's an Epson and it never failed me so far. I pour ink into the little boxes myself maybe once every year. It costs me almost nothing. It never asks for bullshit subscriptions it never updates its firmware. It always just prints. I have it hooked up to my home wifi system so it prints from any computer in my home as long as you install the drivers. I think it cost me like 200 dollars brand new.
We don't need FOS printers, we need to stop buying the modern garbage and buy the older ones that still print just bloody fine 👍 👌
To any future buisness in this comments section, DO THIS! Sell it at a higher price obviously, but make it open source and have no drm. That’d be really cool and would probably be successful if done well
Chips in printer ink cartridges that get thrown away regularly is such a waste of resources and I'm shocked that this is a thing.
Nah, you see whenever you get a new ink cartridge, they give you a handy little bag to mail back the old one so it can be reused, problem solved. Clearly they're doing their part, if the chips get thrown away then that's just on the consumer for not being responsible
/sarcasm
@@squiddler7731 lmao, do they actually do that where you're from? that might be even funnier cous it would take more resources to send across the world.
@@rolls_8798 very late but yeah.
Last time I replaced the printer ink for my mom it came with a bag for that, and after watching this video I have to assume that's why
@@squiddler7731 that's pretty sad and it's clear they're doing it just for show. cartridge based systems are pretty awfful environmentally as a whole, definitely gonna see if I can get one of those ecotank printers for cheap - more for cost than the environment, but there is that
An ecotank printer is the best purchase i've made these past few years. Bottles of ink are incredibly cheap. Sure the printer uses more ink per print than a cartridge printer, but when ink in bottles is 20$ a liter who cares?
They must have realized they were way too good a deal so now the same printer costs more than twice what i paid for it 4 years ago. Still, if you print often it's a massive improvement over cartridges. You won't believe just how cheap ink is when it's not in a stupid drm cartridge.
(For reference: 1 liter of ink prints around 80K pages.)
This only applies if you want to print photographs. Toner is superior in every other way. It prints faster, and it requires no maintenance.
$20 a liter?? I bought original Epson ink for around $10 per bottle, and it was around 100ml! unless you're talking about non-official inks, which is indeed around 15-20 dollars per liter.
@@Gabifuertes the Eco tank hasn't given me issues in 2 years and doesn't require any maintenance either. That being said it automatically prints out a page every week to maintain itself. It also prints incredibly quickly, while 7 or 8 pages or less are breakeven, printing more than eight pages at a time is faster with toner.
Well they also cost more because of the pandemic. At the start many people bought printers for home office so prices went up. Then the whole supply chain issues and you arrive at double the price.
@@Gabifuertes toner is also hard to dispose of....
Conclusion: If companies want to stop people from “pirating” printer ink, they should sell printers at an appropriate, higher price.
@Tah BOO Whats Speedway? i have never seen them in my Country..
they should 3d print printers, and 3d print printer ink
@@unitrader403 or to make an easy example, is like they sell paper and they say that you cant print stuff with paper who is not in the same brand of the printer... dude is f*kngs paper .___. or ink or gas, is the same thing they just are doing sh**tty practices.
And same here we dont have speedway neigher lol.
I bought an epson printer with an ink tank. You can use whatever ink you want but even the "genuine" inks are very inexpensive.
nice cmyk pfp
I cant think of a single time that I, as a consumer, have ever been glad something has drm on it, or, more likely to buy a product due to its drm. I feel like we could petition this, or something. DRM does not help consumers, therefore should not be on or in products that consumers buy. If a company wants to make DRM for in-house tools or software that the customer never sees, by all means, they should protect their assets, but just not on something a customer has to encounter.
That’s because DRM is not to help the consumers mate. It was never ever intended to do so. It’s was there to help the companies, that’s it
Hay man, we could bring pirate politics to the US. Cannon can’t do shit if we regulate this stuff out of existence.
I think I've gone through probably 3 or 4 printers so far, I just buy a new one every time the ink runs out as I'm almost certain it comes out cheaper (not in terms of e waste but eh). Glad to see Canon is getting shafted by the chip shortage, they deserve it.
The fact this can be somewhat true shows how our world is lol
Oh, that's a nice way to do it. I may suggest others to do so.
Epson made pretty good printers with ink tank system
edit: I'm saying you could refill it with whatever ink you want. it just voids the warranty if you use off-brand ink, which is fair enough I think
You can buy either toner printers or one with refillable tanks
@@fitrianhidayat just to be clear, it is not "fair enough" you loose your warranty by using off-brand ink. It should be illegal, and against the fair use of your product, that you bought.
That's why, when buying a printer, I went for one with extremely shitty DRM. Brother DCP-1612w, I bought a pack of 3 toner cartridges from Amazon for 15€ and, even though it's been warning me of low ink from day 1, it still prints perfectly.
I wonder if that DRM is intentionally bad.
Good to know, I have a Brother printer.
I also got a brother. One of those greyscale bitches that takes the chunky toner cartridges.
Might be a manufacturing defect in the printer or the printer needs to have it's toner and drum counters reset manually after replacing stuff.
same with my almost 20 year old Brother HL-6050. toner cartridges are cheap, as well as the drum unit.
of course the print quality with the low quality ones is not as good as with the original ones, but it's good enough for anything I need the printer for.
I've always used off brand ink. Sure sometimes the quality wasn't great but I was a student who couldn't afford the "official" cartridges.
It's surprising how much of a scam Printers still are.
I remember DRM on a DVD that was so terrible the only way I was able to watch the content on the disc was to download hacking tools and cracked the DRM, even though I had no intention of pirating it, the anti-piracy protection was so strong I learned a new skill on how to break the protection on the disc.
You should just pirated it instead
@@pedrolmlkzk Darn you pirate!
@@ssunii7891 and proud
At some point, pirating the shit of big corpos becomes a duty.
If a DRM is in place within a product, one is not only morally justified in pirating it, they are obligated to do so.
Some printers would use DRM to count pages, and shut off the ink cartridges after a certain amount, forcing you to get new ink.
My Brother printer shoots a laser into a floating bob. If the bob dips down to far the laser hits a sensor and the cartridge counts as empty despite having a large amount of ink left. So I tapped paper over the path of the laser and suddenly could print scores of pages at same quality despite being "empty".
most of inkjet brands do this, epson will even lock you out from printing after certain amount of pages, prompting you to take the printer for servicing, not even an ink replacement
@@TheWilldrick no fucking wonder my epson printer always did that
"Some printers would use DRM to count pages, and shut off the ink cartridges after a certain amount" - Those are actually easier to hack, because the algorithm for that is right inside the printer, not in the cartridge.
@@CoolKoon oh great so it's just embedded into ROM and/or the printers firmware. Much easier to deal with right?
Welp. This gave me a reason to smile today. Thank you. :) Knowing that companies like Canon and HP are at least suffering with us is good enough for me. Now we just need to find a way to modify printers to ignore DRM chips altogether.
Epson makes a printer where you just inject the ink directly. Cost me more then a average printer, but I still havent ran out of ink yet and I've had it over a year printing tons of business cards and binders full of documents. Plus the refills are cheap. These printers that take cartridges seem like a scam to me now.
Model name?
@@Bull_10RR Epson L3100 for example. I use it since April 2021 and nothing had went wrong so far. Scanning hardware however is just bad.
@@Bull_10RR mines the Epson ET-2700. The ink level is at half way and it's been over a year now.
Anyone who wants these printers, they’re called the Ecotank series.
It's because they are a scam lol.
people, myself included, have been complaining about this whole printer system and monopoly for decades, and probably will for more to come
on ink jet printers there are 5 patents and held by 5 different companies so 5companies control everything
im surprised there isnt a kickstarter for a non-cucked printer
A single ink cartridge can has as many as 200 patents
Patents are the problem, its obv
@@csPinKie no, patents aren’t the problem. DRM doesn’t target patents, it targets copyright. The issue is that software has been ruled to be copyrighted and not patented, and as more and more consumer appliances become digital, THAT’S where the problem lies because then it is subject to the DRM, which manufacturers can abuse to prevent competition
@@mzzzchael HOW ARE 200 PATENTS ON A SIGNLE CARTRIDGE, THAT MAKE IT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THIRD PARTY TO REPLICATE THE PRODUCT WITHOUT VIOLATION NOT THE PROBLEM?
IT IS NOT ONLY CARTRIDGES, IT IS ALSO THE PRINTING TECH ITSELF WHICH IS HEAVILY PATENTED.
Btw, i also think that intellectual property is a big cope, so its also part of the problem
My family has switched from a Canon laser printer to Brother's ink jet one where you fill in built in containers with ink. Despite Brother printer costing 4 times the Canon one we had, we are already getting our money back on ink, especially considering that we print quite a lot became of my mother's business. We have it for half a year now and with Canon at this point we would have to buy at least 2 new cartridges of colour and black. And here we still haven't used up any of colours we have.
The whole GNU movement started because Stallman didn’t get the code to fix a printer. Printers have always been locked down and only this guy was angry enough to do something
That explains why CUPS had to be made by apple
this is only applicable to their commercial line of laser printers, their normal printers just stop working without this chip. and for companies this can actually be quite irritating considering that many have automated orders of toner based on toner level
How about automating orders on your toner stock? It would cost you... you guessed it! Roughly a single toner per printer!
@@Gabifuertes for larger businesses you usually don't keep any in stock as that can represent quite a significant overhead. that powder is quite expensive especially. since most if not all support contracts require the use of genuine toner if that's not already included in your service contract fee of course.
What about HP non-laser? I installed non-genuine cartridges on my HP printer, and i was able to ignore the DRM warning. So how do they earn money if you can ignore the warning?
@@L2002 Fooling the trusting ones.
@@-Xaverius I don't know what kind of business you operate with, but the only way original toners are sold is through new printers around here. They print exactly the same, but cost 5 times as much. I can guarantee you it's easier to keep extra in stock, or simply use another printer for the day a printer empties its toner.
I don't really understand what is so complicated about printers, toner printers take virtually 0 maintenance and alternative toners cost as much as a ream of paper.
When I actually used to own a printer around 6 to 7 years ago it was still cheaper then to buy a completely new printer (25 ish dollars at Walmart) than an ink refill since the new printer would come with a "full" cartridge. Circus of a world.
"Circus of a world" is my new favorite phrase. Thank you good sir
There's not chip shortage at all, there's just an overuse of unnecessary chips.
Thereby causing a ship shortage
If we all stopped buying new tech and salvaged old devices, everything would be fine.
Honestly companies using chips just to spite customers and dictate their printer has to be one of the most wasteful ways to use them. Like even a vending machine that's in someone's basement is getting better use not that I know if vending machines use chips like those BUTT STEAL my stance remains even through such ignorance.
@@silitekmodder5681 honestly, I think like you but it doesn't work like that. When you give margin, they just produce more for people to change they devices. It's like that with everything related to capitalism.
@BegissoR mining is not why there's a chip shortage, lol
finally they got what they deserved lol
We also got what we deserved when you think about it
Considering the cost of a single ink cartridge vs them selling what its for. I want those big businesses pricks to suffer. I dispise DRM junk.
They deserve much worse lmao
I'm actually 100% for ink being expensive af. I hate when someone sends me a document when they could have just emailed it to me
@@mattweger437 very true. It's like applying for a job online with your CV, but they still require you to bring a paper copy of it to the interview. JUST READ THE DIGITAL VERSION!!!
Speaking of cars, you can do everything a car needs to do with a $2 commodity ARM chip. The fact that we've filled our cars with gobs of unnecessary tech just means they won't be repairable in the future, which I suspect is part of the plan.
I'm into 3D printing and it always just baffles me that it's seemingly cheaper and much easier to create a physical object as opposed to getting a machine to put ink on a piece of paper.
With my 3D printer, I just slice an object, pop that into my machine, and it spits out a thing. On a regular printer, you have to jump through all these hoops just to get your computer connected to it, it'll out right refuse to print anything unless EVERY ink cartridge is full, and even then the printer could just "not print" because it just flat out doesn't feel like it. And don't even get me started on Linux compatibility.
Also 1KG of relatively high quality material (I use PETG) costs $40, but you can find relatively average material for $20/kg, and then decently usable material for $12/kg, but its $45 for a couple of ounces of just black ink.
We need to take a step back and make an open sourced 2D printer ಠ_ಠ
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They're actually much harder to make than most other electronics because the head/nozzle of the printer has an incredibly tiny opening that needs to precisely release ink.
@@KyriosHeptagrammaton that’s printers, NOT THE GODDAMN INK
@@MarksterC Yeah that's the insane part. But to be an open source solution I'd assume you can't just hack an existing printer to take cheap ink.
Print your open source 2D printer with a 3D printer.
what is your 3D printer model name?
DRM is always, for the company's benefit at your expense.
@Jaquan Kelsor or you know, you can vote with your wallet and this practice dies. Also #capitalism
@Jaquan Kelsor You could simply not buy the product, it's your choice. #Capitalism
@@Gameplayery that hasn’t happened what has happened de-industrialization and degeneracy so long as you can earn money for from it no matter how degenerate your life style is you will not be punished. No matter how evil a practice is so long as it’s profitable it will continue. Capitalism for Americans has replaced their ethnic identity and any cultural unity. The markets and capitalism are a tool you do not use a sledgehammer to cure ED. Either a society/individual has The discipline to regulate itself or it collapses.
@Jaquan Kelsor capitalism is when the government enforces patents?
@@Gameplayery probably not likely when politicians are all bought.
I've been using Chinese refillable ink cartridges that automatically reset their chips when pulled out to refill. Screw you Canon!
Name/Link please?
Yeah imma need that link
Newer HP printers are the most convoluted messes of machinery I've ever had the displeasure of working with, terrible app, always trying to sell you on their dumb services, and on top of that the brand new printer could barely connect to the app regardless of the many methods of connection it offered. Felt bad that my grandpa even bought the thing.
Dude I ABSOLUTELY HATE the stupid software you're forced to use now. Half the time it doesn't even work which means I can't print or scan.
I miss when all I needed was a driver.
dude just don't use apps and shit, buy a used 90s or early 2000s printer, good quality and no drm
@@EruAnorMatt Yeh it literally doesn't print till i open the shitty app and half the time it says its offline. It's an absolute mess!
Also, why do I need to make an account to print over my own wifi network? Ugh
*laughs in dot matrix printer*
The virgin inkjet vs the chad laser printer
.. vs boomer dot matrix printer - back in my days we didn't have these zoomer cartiges and were doing fine.
@@moofymoo haha dot matrix printer goes *brrr*
Hot take: The silicone shortage happened but already could have recovered if it was in the interest of the industry. During the real shortage, major players in the electronics industry colluded and now they are just riding the opportunity to drastically raise prices of all things electronic. After 3 years of graphics cards selling for $1500, a new offer of $1000 will sound like a bargain. What won't be noticed is the same card would have been $500 pre-corona, and people would have been outraged at the price inflation from the last gen.
Plenty of reasons this could happen now.
1. The opportunity of the shortage
2. Perhaps these companies really haven't been able to "innovate" during corona, better to just stop manufaturing the products, then put them back for sale at 3x the price to make up for the years without profit. (R&D in these companies are looking years ahead before product announcements, doing this now is likely paying their R&D budget for these few years).
3. Increased profits will increase the stock value, which has been very volatile throughout corona, and may fall further yet.
This kind of thing happens all the time, albeit not to the scale of this silicone shortage.
Think Coke Classic, or pretty much anything made by Nintendo.
Except this ideology will ultimately fail because the average person/american can't afford that continually and annually. I've had to cut back so much on everything. Food, gas, necessities, bills. and I make a decent wage lol. Something is going to have to give.
its multiple issues, at first there were plant closures, and all the excess and stockpiles were used up, and many companies tried to order more than they needed since new product was now back ordered, then labor shortages, or just running at reduced capacity made things worse, and you start enjoying bidding wars raising the price of a product.
there is literally no incentive to change the status quo so long as they are still selling everything they can make, while at a profit. the trick is to not fall into the thinking "if we can make more faster, we'll make even more profit"
I see this opinion quite often, regularly by people relating it back to PC hardware, and I assure you there is still a shortage of semiconductors. I work in the semiconductor distribution industry in the UK, and we are still having lots of issues getting a whole spectrum of parts to customers. Daily I have conversations with customers trying to find alternative parts.
So yes, there is still a 'silicone shortage'
@@justjosh11 Well yes you have confirmed you don't have access to parts. Thet doesn't debunk my theory.
TBH PC hardware isn't at the forefront of my thoughts, I just used graphics cards as and example as they were mentioned in this vid. This really applies to all things that take Silicon chips.
And reading the quote, yes, it appears I misspelled "silicon" as "silicone" twice.
Sorry all :D
@@DaGleese I wasn't deliberately quoting your spelling error, I missed that :)
Ok I agree that just simply because we can't get parts doesn't necessarily mean there is a shortage, although we are a large company with £MM's of revenue so aren't 'small fry'.
However, we do work closely with the suppliers, some of whom are fab-less but many also have their own fabs, and many also use the large fab companies such as TSMC.
Point being, it comes from the horse's mouth, as it were, that there is a shortage.
Furthermore, most parts are on allocation these days which further gives evidence to the fact there is a shortage.
It's worth noting we are a franchised disti and not grey market
You would think with all the interference the government does with "green this, green that", they'd see cartridges as wasteful. You'd think they would pass legislation forcing printers to be made maintainable with refillable ink/toner.
maybe if they didnt get paid so much to allow it
Literally liberal (and conservative in the american politics sense) 1984
Why should government „fix“ a problem it created with the existence of patents in the first place?
That's what anti-trust legislation is supposed to do, but it's been gutted since the 80s.
..also, government and big business aren't separate things any longer.
I remember in college I would just go and buy a new printer whenever I ran out of ink because I could always find one on sale, and they included the ink cartridges. It would usually cost me ~$50 to buy new ink cartridges and I could find a decent print, new, on sale for $20-40.
When I graduated after 5 years, I had 8 printers lol
The cartridges that come with the printer- at least Canon inkjets - have very little ink compared to the refills.
@@bakedbeings Long ago the printers used to come with full sized/filled cartridges and then ofc they found out people where not buying new cartridges but instead buying new printers that they lost money on.
It's obscene that any company would rather have customers deal with that much e-waste, than build and price one component reasonably
@@01NeilHD Honestly it didn't use to be that way. The late 90s inkjet printers had very large ink cartridges that lasted months and hundreds of pages. It's the rise of the scam budget printer in the 2000s that they used tiny cartridges for the same price as the old big ones. These printers were also trash quality and would break all the time or random crap going wrong, especially with the crappy DRM.
Your college had no printers?
I've never had any problem using 3rd party ink with my Brother printer. I'm glad external factors are finally forcing other printer companies to stop that scammy business (although maybe my Brother printer is just old enough that it works? I do notice my ink has the chips, I dunno).
Imagine if this DRM chip nonsense didn't exist, we wouldn't be going through a chip shortage at all imo, considering that these ink cartridges sell like hot cakes.
That's true, imagine how much silicon these companies have wasted over the years, in the entire world
Imagine not capitalism and the economy not being so fragile. Shit literally crashes every ten years
Imagine no DRM at all… we’d all be better off for it
@@marz8386 hmm tell me how well does the commie system work oh wait it doesnt fuck wit
@@ace-kz9id kids shouldn't be on adult youtube, ace
The fact that we have people having to hack their printers to be able to actually _print_ with them without selling a kidney tells me that humanity clearly made a mistake at some point that should really be fixed soon.
Inform me more please
The mistake: allowing these shitty practices profiteer the scummy individuals that impose it.
I.e. Paying for it.
>muh need
No.
>b-but
No.
Millions of ways, to transmit information without needing ink.
Capitalism stupid
Money
Some people say that coming down from the trees was where we went wrong. Others would have it that the trees were a bad move in the first place.
this is the exact reason we bought an epson ink tank printer, it cost more than a comparable hp/cannon/brother, but we can use any ink we want, as it just gets pored in. they have a special no spill bottle that slots in and you can't just poor in anything, but there is nothing stopping you from using the bottles that the printer came with and refilling them to fill the fill the printer.
"wah ree mah enviwoment"
meanwhile printer companies produce billions of useless chips that only serve one useless purpose
not to mention all the empty old cartridges that could have been reused (possibly thousands of times) nah we're just gonna throw them into 3rd world hellholes
Many such cases! Similar thing with phones. "We so care about the environment...oh, you want to just repair and keep using your own phone? Well fuuuuuck you! Consoom new product every 3 years!"
I'm sure the usual suspects will be flying over in their private jets to lecture us about having non-crippled cars or having a shower that takes longer than 15 seconds.
@@MrEdrftgyuji All of the worst companies support World economic Forum.
@@MrEdrftgyuji
Hypocrites. I despise them.
No, DRM does not stand for "Digital Rights Management" -- DRM stands for "Digital Restrictions Management".
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🤣 stop trying to sound deep, commie
@@wolfetteplays8894 Better than whatever stupid shit the right says all the time
Bypassing any form of DRM is delicious. Printer manufacturer ink scammery is pure evil. Time for some open source printers and ink.
First, (for once) one might say that the chip thing is bad, but this is very good and one might say that it's the great Equalizer.
Congrats for being first
@@Neko-san Thank you
It is nice to see this happening to Canon. I have a personal grievance with them for not just open source some drivers for their cheap printers so they can be used on linux. They do provide a driver but it is compiled for an ancient kernel and there is no chance to use it on a modern one. The one printer I got was listed as paper weight in some linux printer compatibility chart I later found.
I had to write a driver for a canon printer, it is NOT hard! The problem is getting the printer parameters and timing the spool. The "problem" is the WYS is WYG hijacking in operating systems.
@@carly09et It seems hard to me, I have no idea of the protocol and I bet the firmware is not easy to read out and reverse engineer. Maybe I could reverse engineer the windows driver or spy on the USB bus in windows or using external hardware (I don't have any hardware suitable for that though). In either case it would take me weeks maybe even months. Would probably be quicker to deadbug some other microcontroller on the main board and control the steppers and the laser polygon mirror myself and just export pages to raster and send them over using run length encoding.
Canon was always bad. They also had some of the most annoying ink to sort through and never had the right kind in stock.
AAAAAA I HATE
@@miklov that's the problem: the protocols are standard even the proprietary ones - finding the precise protocol used is the hard bit! The printer is designed to be used, it is marketing not engineering that hides this - the protocol spec of the printer is sufficient but getting it is hard. The protocol interpreters are public and standard. The other cheat is a small windows xp print server. Your way is just reinventing a spooler :)./
This is mainly because of Apple and Adobe feuding over print standards - lots of common standards locked off for frivolous legality. So you need to know the Pinter companies alias chain to the open protocol. Most of it is just to change the print file script header.
Thanks for your reply
@@miklov log into the printer using the telex/terminal protocol - you should be able to get it to spit out its specs. Good luck.
I typically don't need to print a lot, and when I do I usually print text documents for myself. That's why I think I generally like toner because I was really shocked when I had opened my first printer and noticed how it would intentionally dump ink into a waste sponge. Also, I never really understood this "feature" that some printers have where they don't let you print using only one cartridge if the other is empty. It may be to protect something about the ink release mechanism, but who knows. The printer business can be pretty shady.
You guys print using Ink? I draw in paper as precise as possible so that I don't have to spend money on ink, but it takes me 30 minutes to draw a pixel since i have to make it perfect.. However, it's fine! Because I don't value my time as I use Linux.
😐
Gigachad
You still need pen ink or paint for do this
The real question I have is: are your pixels square ? or circles ?
You guys use paper? I write on papyrus using iron gall ink that I grow and process myself so that I don't have to spend money on Big Stationery, but it takes me thousands of hours to make a few dozen pages... However, it's fine! Because I don't value my time as I post in GNU/Linux (or, as I've taking to calling it, GNU plus Linux) copypasta threads.
That’s a painful problem, especially for poor countries. I spent my childhood in a town where an average person has income about about 400 usd per month. New printer cost about 100 usd, but a new genuine cartridge for it cost about 70 usd. That’s a hell lot. Thanks god it was still the era without modern DRM bs. There were “pirate” chinese ink cartridges for like 5-10 usd and those cartridges could be easily recharged for 1-2 usd and even cheaper (abou 0.5 usd) if you recharge them yourself
Stellar video!
Cool bit about Canon sharing parts with HP
My parents bought a new HP printer nearly a year ago. Not only did it ship with a DRM cartridge linked to HP instant ink (after I cancelled the subscription, the cartridge was locked), but the printer also needs to be always-online to work. You can't even submit a print job through USB if the printer has been offline for more than a few days.
Yes I just got a new (to me) HP and even though the instant ink was in there because the previous deceased members membership was no longer active I could not print anything but the test page worked fine go figure.
HP = horse poo, one of my high school teachers said.
You are complaining that you cant use the subscription ink? Do you complain about loosing access to Netflix if you stop the subscription?
@@phantomlordmxvi Smoothbrain comment of the year.
@@phantomlordmxvi ...do you complain if all the magazines you've already gotten from a magazine subscription self destruct the moment you cancel your subscription? ..the answer is yes
Edit: ones a digital product, and the other is a physical product being mailed to you, once it arrives you own it
Those popups only stop the normal user when it malfunctions, people who refill the cartriges don't have a problem. It's often sad to see products such as games perform better and being more stable without DRM on.
In the old days I had Lexmark 1020 ink printer. It had tendency to clog its jets after some period of not using it. The jets were built in the cartridge, so I had one that wasn't operational at all after few months break in printing. I opened it, pulled the foam from inside of the container, cleaned it and the jets with warm tap water, let it dry and put everything together and filled with a cheap $1 pen ink from local office supply store. I have to say, it worked better than expected. Prints were indistinguishable from ones made with genuine Lexmark ink. The only problem it suffered was clogging occurring even faster. But hey, that ink was almost free.
I ran into something like this when trying to use an HDMI audio extractor on a dish TV box. The audio wouldn't work. I found out that it is some type of HDMI encryption meant to prevent people from using capture cards. I just wanted to run the audio to an external stereo.
The signal is indeed encrypted. Look up HDCP (not to be confused with DHCP): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection
@@elliectroncake yeah I read all about it. Just didn't remember the abbreviation. I ended up finding an audio extractor that worked with it
@@elliectroncake
That is fuckin wild, my dude.
Some printers use other colour inks mixed in black ink so that you waste coloured ink whenever you print black and white docs.
This pretty much happens all the time. Select black and white print if you want that, or it will waste your color ink.
I know it's a small nitpick in the grand scheme of the video, but Tesla has fixed the range problem on their older cars. This was after a lawsuit and they did it to reduce battery degradation. Everything else about them I believe is true, so good job.
Love my Epson EcoTank printer which I have had for years, printed tons, and never have had to buy ink. Unlike cartridge printers which would constantly have the cartridges dry out and die early. Just have to run a head clean if it seems off and it prints good as new. Cost more, but I have definitely saved money considering all the other printers and cartridges I have gone through over the years.
Can vouch, i also have an ecotank printer. It even printed out a 400 page book without a single hitch. Inks are cheap and they come in bottles. Definitely worth the extra cost of the printer itself.
Does it run on linux ???
@@AcidiFy574 Why would a home printer need to run Linux? If you're talking about printing functionality then yes, of course you can print from Linux.
@@0xC thanks
My hatred for HP and printer companies is rivaled only by my loathing of Ted Cruz. And Microsoft. The last printer I serviced had a giant felt pad in the bottom to "catch" any spray ejected when the print head clears it's jets "to assure good prints", which it does EVERY single time you switch print jobs. The felt pad was SOLID ink for about 5 inches from one end almost to the other. The company had programmed the cartridges to spew ink prodigiously. For ink to creep that far it had to be wet. So the disgusting printer had to have deliberately blew out half a cartridge the first time it was plugged in. We have a government that will not protect consumers nor allow us to protect ourselves.
Feels
That last sentence is too fucking true.
*disgusted noise* Ted Cruz
“ Mexican Man Bad!!! 😡 😤 “
If that’s all you have to contribute to politics, then why not move to Cuba?
man,my mother bought a hp smart that i could never get to work right cause it wanted them to sign up for their stupid cartridge renewal thing,and when i clicked no the drivers would freeze mid installation and abort, it never wanted to install drivers,just the bloatware,not to mention this thing had wifi but could only read 802.11 b/g,so i had t make an extra g network just for the printer,and then everyone would had to downgrade from ac to the g network to print,nevermind the expensive cartridges,i hated that printer and one day i convinced her to buy a laser printer (the print a lot but in long intervals (ie months))...
she bought a brother laser printer,that not only did the drivers managed to install right away without any suscription crap,the printer itself could read the 802.11ac network and connect to it right away,not to mention thers a trick for resetting the "toner lo level warning" that would reset them back to full and let them use it until it become truly empty....
fuck hp printers
Thanks for bringing this up, i am a little happier now
I remember working as IT at a school and how i halved the monthly expenditure for ink just by getting non HP cartridges. Sadly i couldn't buy the super cheap ones as it was a state run school and i was only allowed to order from one specific retailer. I also had to modify the cartridges by removing some extra plastic that served no purpose to make them fit in the printers.
They sadly have to do it with extra plastic, since a single cartridge can have as much as 200 different patents, so 3rd party suppliers have a hard time not violating them
I heard that some super cheap printers will actually waste ink by just spraying it into a hidden compartment in the printer so you can buy toner more often but I don’t know if that’s true.
Well if that were true, wouldn't that tank fill up? That'd be a very short term
@@Nate-bd8fg I’m not sure. maybe it does it very slowly over a long time
i believe this may be the weirdly cut foams that is found inside the printer. i took them out when the printer had to go through "maintenance" that it uses a **LOT** of ink and rendered it useless and prompted me to bring it to official services. cleaned it up and placed them back and they were good as new. the error prompts never showed up again.
Yes it's true. Officially, it's to clean the printer nozzles.
Wow... good to know what printer I will NOT gonna buy in the future!
I don't know if this was mentioned yet, but one thing these chips do is limit how many pages you can print on a given cartridge. My canon laser printer says "you are out of toner" after 750 pages or so, because I bought "750 page capacity" toner carts for it. The chips on the cartridges have a counter that increments each time a page is printed, so even if there is a pound of toner left in the cart the printer won't let me print with it. The "reset chips" can be purchased online of course, along with toner refill kits, or a competent EE geek can reset the counters with an eeprom writer, but it's a chore in either case.
I wonder if I could start my own printer company some day to compete with these big corporations. Sell printers at just high enough to make a profit (otherwise, the business wouldn't last), but low enough for people to want to buy one. Then sell my ink for like a 10th of what Cannon or HP do. Have my ink right next to their ink on store shelves so that people will see my price and think: "wow, this ink only costs $3 while all the others cost at least $30! What a deal!"
They pay stores to not put up cheaper stuff
@@MenelBOT damn :(
@@MenelBOT Is that even legal??
@@Ddxcv98
Doesn’t matter. They pay politicians, lawmakers, and judges too.
@@MenelBOT can’t they deny it though?
Ink is Ink.. Recently bought a $13.99 ink refill kit for my sister's HP printer. Was able to refill all 4 tints within 20mins. I would highly recommend this instead of buying cartridges. Although I hear the sponge degrades over time or after two refills, I would recommend also buying printer sponges as well
In Indonesia, we used to hack printers to print using ink tank. Eventually Epson wisen up and start selling printer using ink tank. They even put indonesian flag on it with word "for indonesian market/designed for" for some reason. AFAIK they did really well other companies start releasing their own versions. That happened way back before chip shortage here.
Scalpers have been scalping ink cartridges now. Depending on where you live, it can be cheaper to buy a new printer
Imagining having to Scalp for ink. truly, we live in a society.
It's nearly always cheaper to by a printer with a back of cartridges then the cartridges on their own.
they’ll start selling printers without the cartridges filled when people start doing this more
@Tah BOO i haven’t bought a new printer for myself, always used ones from my family that they didn’t need. thanks for the info
@@tzardnickolasthelitromanov When the coof started people in my area were scalping hand sanitizer and toilet paper on Facebook marketplace. Some also selling marked up "bundles" of multiple sanitizer bottles and a big pack of TP. Pushed me a lil closer to being a misanthrope.
Youre sick dude. I learn something new with every word you say.
Ink _is_ ink but formulation matters. Sometimes using a knockoff fluid ink could lead to long-term service issues due to overheating or pigment cloggging at the print head. But then again if a printer relies on a specific formulation of ink to keep the device serviceable, that's bad design to begin with.
It's almost the same as using the wrong oil in your car's engine.
Or not using high octane gasoline in a car that requires it.
I'd say that it's not necessarily bad design..
You get a new print head with every cartridge.
@@Shotblur Not every printer has the print-head included in the cartridge.
I've been using original cartridges with some printers, they don't last, some paperjam or something else fuck them up
My parents bought a canon printer in about 2013. It had the DRM but nobody in the area sold the ink. Canon had to tell us how to bypass it.
would you mind telling me how to do this
Say the method or it's bs
Please inform us
Tell us how
how
Its a similar thing to tractors where manufacturers essentially prevent you from repairing it because youre not using THEIR repair service.
This is ridiculous if I buy something it should my right to do whatever i want to it as long as Im not copying or redistributing it ofcourse. If i want to take ot apart and use it a mech. If i want it to have different inks, if i want to use it to scan my cake i should have the right
When you fully grasp the amount of waste in a con-system like this you'll understand how bs the worlds environmental moaning is. They don't intend to change what they do at all.
Hey maybe theres something wrong with our economic System but i dont know...
@@pommezfritesde8021 I find it laughable that people blame capitalism instead the root cause of the problem. There's not something wrong with our economic system, there's something wrong with us.
We humans created our system, both rich and poor.
Nah if everyone hates the current economic system but a select group of rich asholes dont let u change it u blame the assholes not someone who has no power to enact change
Be the change you want to see, buy a dot matrix printer.
@@jaymesc4436 But that avoids the question of why they exist in the very first place.
They not only need to be resolved permanently, but also anyone else must be prevented from replacing them with deadly force, if necessary.
So short story we end up finding fundamental flaws in humanity itself. If they were fixed however, any radical short term efforts might stick.
Minor correction. Tesla only puts the DRM back on a car after it is sold *back to Tesla*. Transferring ownership of a car to a new owner directly will not affect any of its purchased features.
I haven't seen a video title make me this happy in a while
1st, I'm in favor of companies getting shafted. With that in mind, I'm thinking of an use case: you could have non domestic applications like printing photos on specific plasticky photo paper, a need for the ink to be of chemical precision to not get a distorted photo.
But the ripping off on prices of ink is still bull crap.
You could still just have instructions that make it clear that you need very specific ink.
Step1: buy older model printer
Step2: buy continous ink supply system for printer
Step3: instill CISS pour in ink.
Step4: profit??
Guys, buy an inkjet printer. Honestly the best decision I ever made. No more ink cartridges, just an ink pool that I can fill with any after market ink bottles I want.
Oh, no! How will they ever survive without scamming us out of ink? :'(
Some things just deserve death sometimes...
As someone who used to work in a cartridge refilling business, I only _wish_ "ink is ink" were true! It would have meant we would have only needed to have 4 bottles of ink on hand, as opposed to the tens and tens that we had. While it might look similar, the composition of inks varies from cartridge to cartridge. If you put the wrong ink into it, anything it printed would always have the wrong shade of colors, or might not even print at all.
Also, there are printers out there which are more expensive up-front, but have cheaper ink, like you suggested. Canon makes a few of them, which don't even have cartridges, you just top-up the built-in ink tanks with ink from a bottle. The problem is, the general consumer is really short-sighted and always buys whichever machine is the cheapest. Which means the shitty business model you were complaining about, continues.
The most important thing is that we allow the manufacturers to limit what we can do with the electronic stuff we've bought. In other fields it is unimaginable. If cars refused to start after you swapped the wheel rims there would be nation-wide riot.
Ok, place the chips in the cartridges but only to detect non-genuine ink cartridge to void the warranty (which is understandable), maybe accompanied with a pop-up message and that's it. If you want to mess with your printer - it's your choice.
@@Forien I consider Tesla as a piece of electronic stuff.
I’ll tell you why that happens it’s because we like shitty products in general see they think cheaper is better but they forget is that cheaper means you’ll be paying more in the long run. Not only you’ll have to buy a new one and assuring amount of time which costs more money not mention, lose jobs in your own neighborhood but you’re also supporting outsourcing and even worse sweatshops and child labor. Not to mention Americans need to start fixing their own stuff.
I decided to print off some sheet music lately. That was until I saw the current prices for cartridges, and literally gave up and decided to purchase refill kits and ink. Compared to buying cartridges, it was spectacular, it's a huge money saver.
My HP Photosmart 6520 accepts third party ink, you just get a popup on install going "Third party ink installed." Press ok, goes away forever.
I pay like 12$ on amazon for a set of 3x cartridges [all colors]. Lasts me years.
The printer itself is over a decade old at this point, and I think I got it for only 60$. One of the best purchases ever.
Edit: I know I can be paying pennies buying bottled ink, and refilling my carts; but I don't want to deal with the potential "mess." 12$ for over a years worth of ink is good enough.
I have the same printer, even buying genuine cartridges off eBay auctions they're not too expensive compared to the prices nowadays
Link pls
@@qlus I'm not a fan of ebay. I like daddy bezos. 1 day shipping, adds good boy points to my account when I need to go "shit didn't come" or request a refund, etc.
I like how there is a discussion in the comments regarding how easy it is to assemble fix and maintain a 3D printer versus a traditional 2D paper printer, the truth of the matter is I don't do a lot of printing these days, but one thing I would love to see is someone come up with an open source printer that anyone can download the schematics for and buy the parts online and assemble by themselves with a basic understanding of electronics, I don't care if it uses thermal, dot matrix, inkjet or laser, we can solve a lot of driver issues by making the drivers open source and stop a lot of unnecessary e-waste if we just made the devices simple and fixable, and then the toner\ink can be bought in bulk or even mixed at home.
Thanks this was appealing to my algorithm.
As a former Canon printer owner, this warms my hearth S2
Thank you!
Every time someone asks me for a printer I tell them to get an old printer like a canon pixma mx 230. Not hp, hp is trash, those old canon printers are fantastic, they even allow you to save ink by decreasing the black levels into dark grey on the printer's software. hp printer software doesn't allow that, it is trash.
those old canon printers even allow you to ignore the cartridge warning just by pressing the reset button for 5 seconds and that's it, you get a printer forever.
Tell me about more other good old models
You know any for printing bigger sheets of paper (A3)?
There’s an old hp one that allows for 3rd party and bottled ink with no issues. New hp sucks tho I have one can confirm
I remember when I first found out about the unused ink stuff, I was genuinely floored.
Off topic, I suppose there's no way HP is mining data from the files you email to an HP printer for printing, through HP web services, right?
Data collection? Definitively
Test it out, I did this with WhatsApp and other services. Constantly send messages with key words like “buy insurance” or “need antivirus” etc and I bet you will start seeing advertisements for whatever you talked about in at least a month
I got a lot of old ink cartridges that didn’t work once and I decided to use it for some artsy painting stuff. I assumed they are almost empty, opened two of them with knife and the amount of ink coming from it was huge. I was honestly shocked.
Some printers are designed to stop using all cartridge at all even if only 1 color is out. So, you have to replace the whole set of ink and throw away other cartridges even if it is still full. That's the worst of the DRM shit.
@@nokaton That's fucking insane. I wonder if a law regarding this will pass or something
I work for a printer repair company, and firstly I agree the more aggressive drm chips are completely useles. However, I cannot count the number of times we have had to replace numerous parts on machines because of aftermarket cartridges. The cartridges referenced in this video don't use ink, they essentially use plastic powder that is rolled into paper then the whole sheet is heated to cure it. Some aftermarket cartridges (usually the really cheap ones) don't use the same "blend" for their toner powder so it might fuse to the paper at a noticeably different temperature from OEM. The short story is if a bad aftermarket cartridge is used if can exceed toner to bleed all over the paper path and require premature replacements of transfer belts or fuser assemblies. Most aftermarket parts are perfectly fine, but when you get a bad one it's really bad, which i the only defense for using OEM toner since it's on the manufacturer to fix the machine if they're are problems.
This is A W for the environment. Remove those puny stupid chips (that we need lol) from the phony "real" ink cartridges and use a more fungible material for identification
nobody cares, chips are just sand
@@monad_tcp sand that takes like 3 months to process
@@monad_tcp Making that sand into chips takes energy.
@@peppermintgal4302 renewable energy is infinite, who cares
@@monad_tcpshush tell no one. It isn't
This is why we still have our old Epson scanner/printer, it might not be the best quality and it doesn't have WiFi capabilities but thanks to refiling cartridges we have save a very good amount of money, plus thanks to it's age every OS I've tried works fine
U can use a pi zero w + CUPS software to enable airprint and wifi print on your old printer, costs like 15 bucks
I use a canon one and I usual just refill the cartridge, their are tutorials online to do it. I mean you get the message, it's empty, but as you said: try to print and you see the result
I mean, it's abit difficult, as you can mess up the stuff. I once destroyed a cartridge like that, but it wasn't a big deal
02:14 when you ‘buy’ a dvd disc you are acquiring a licence to watch the content subject to certain rules. For example you cannot show the dvd to a paying audience etc. so I’m afraid you don’t own sh!t The drm exists to make sure you follow the rules.
This whole movement today for ‘renting’ content like Netflix, Spotify etc means they can charge you again and again for the same thing. It is not fair on consumers
But you can already use 3rd party cartridges with a Canon? According to the Gizmodo article,
"Canon doesn’t prevent you from using third-party inks, so you can bypass these annoying [proprietary] notices and continue printing (...) but now you’ll have to do so even when using genuine Canon ink."
In the future when this hits the market at large I could see it being a win for the consumer, but right now its a whole lotta nothing.
when big companies are mad, you know its good
Honestly them moving away from this business model into a more expensive printer with ink wells is good.
I want to grab my Hakko FX951 and reverse engineer all this DRM nonsense, that is going to be my 2022 goal. Screw corporate bullies!
If you do please record and upload your experience, nothin like spreading the knowledge and slowly liberating a consumer base.
As an it tech this is a nightmare!
If I need to call the Support they will just blame "non genuine" ink failure when it is genuine
The ink and general uncooperativeness of home inkjets is why the closest thing I have to a printer is a plotter