Maybe the quirkiest rhythm section... and one of the greatest in rock/prog rock. Rutherford is underrated generally in the Bass World. His unique style and approach really embodied the ethos of English classical prog rock of the time where new sounds and the freedom to create and explore your own thing was huge. Rutherford did that along with Squire and Schulman, Levin etc. Listen to the crazy unorthodox little runs and pick-work that no one does quite like he did. He had his own mind...always loved him.
Me too and as a left handed person it was easier, he inadvertently taught me along with Prairie Prince (tubes) who is right handed but a sublime drummer,more or less everything I need to know,listen to Brand X for Philips best technical playing, amazing stuff ,you can watch “and so to F” on UA-cam.
Their best album as the trio. This track shows the brilliant drumming of Phil Collins with a SINGLE bass drum pedal and Mike’s unique Moog bass pedals and bass guitar. A very special rhythm unit. No wonder Steve Hackett used them on his first solo album “Voyage of the Acolyte”.
@@briane5706 Although he did use a gretsch kick drum on wind and wuthering with the premier toms and used a premiere kit for only the live tour of the lamb
This might be Mike at his best as a bassist. Even his pure lead guitar work, which I find serviceable but not incredible in other areas, is really killer on this track.
Yes. Obviously, I've neglected this channel for a while, but I will do some more soon. I've already messed around with Back in NYC, and I don't think it's possible to get the drums out of that one. The 5.1 mix is all I have to work with, and Back in NYC is mixed a bit differently than most of the other songs in way that makes it hard to isolate anything. I've tried Los Endos, too. I can get the drums and bass out of that one, but that track is so terribly disfigured by compression/limiting that the drums sound broken.
I thought the same thing and immediately started thinking about other Genesis songs from all eras. The same can probably be said. The bass pedal played an obvious role early on and as the albums progress (and music technology and their style progresses) the pedal shifts into a more implicit role where you don’t realize it’s there often. But it’s also probably cause they started using more synthesized sounds on the Taurus that blend with the synths (idk… something to talk about from the physics of sound perspective)
Nice isolation. Love this track from a fine album. Saw Genesis do this song as an opener in 1981. Collins incredible on drums playing along with Chester Thompson. It's good that on this isolation, that both the Taurus bass pedals and the bass guitar can be clearly heard. Many thanks.
The little bop baddap baddop Phil plays on a high tom tom in the beginning instrumental jam...I always wondered if that influenced Prince to do something similar in 1999.
Some of the Phil C vocal overdubs that pop in (at the forefront here in the stereo difference) help put the humor of Genesis in perspective. Watch Phil’s camcorder footage from the Mama sessions for evidence. I love how stereo difference makes things sound ‘unmastered’ and live.
There are pictures of the "Duke" sessions, where it is revealed that Mike used an Alembic bass, so it's safe to say that that's what we're hearing here.
Hmm I believe you, but I don't think its the Alembic on this track.. I've got a Shergold modulator with the recording module and it can nail this kind of tone quite easily. I could be wrong though as I have zero experience with Alembics..
I believe the Alembic Series 1 appears on some of the other, shorter tracks later on in the album. This does sound like the Shergold. The Alembic does have a slightly different tone. On a different note, I have a strong feeling that the little guitar solo here is done by either the Roland GS500 or the Ibanez AR2622.
@@world_of_max.g Mike said in interviews that he didn't use his double necks in the studio because of them being heavy and that his main studio guitar at the time was a Sunburst Fender Stratocaster which he also use for the Duke tour as his main stage guitar.
@@RastaSaiyaman Ah yes, that gorgeous looking 1977/78 sunburst Stratocaster (used a lot in that period and heavily featured in the TSL film). It is highly possible that did the solo, but to my ears, it does sound like either the Roland or the Ibanez. It's also highly possible Mike just used the bottom half of the Shergold double neck, as it was designed to be detached and used separately. Who knows.
@@world_of_max.g Mike did mention in interviews that he uses stratocasters because "it feels wrong to use anything else." But yeah, if only there was a way to attend the recording sessions back then as a fly on the wall. Heck it's even possible that Mike used his old Rickenbacker bass.
These sound like his concert toms to me or is it the gold double headed kit , both premier as is is my vintage premier 1980s eight piece,like his as I’m left handed ,I have concert toms .
Do Genesis's B side called Feeding the Fire! Can you post a video with the isolated keyboard or bass. This is a great song as the B side of Land of Confusion. Please do this song
the snare drum is not really good when i listened to my original cd (in 1980 and remastered in 1994) the snare drum was agressive, the bass drum was modern , the sounds of the toms were fantastic .WIth the new original mix it's cool but all the agressive sound is now forgotten to a boring pop sound without the aggressive sound of the beginning but i supposed the others were ok with that
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Maybe the quirkiest rhythm section... and one of the greatest in rock/prog rock. Rutherford is underrated generally in the Bass World. His unique style and approach really embodied the ethos of English classical prog rock of the time where new sounds and the freedom to create and explore your own thing was huge. Rutherford did that along with Squire and Schulman, Levin etc. Listen to the crazy unorthodox little runs and pick-work that no one does quite like he did. He had his own mind...always loved him.
LOVE Phil's playing... he's the reason I play... his cymbal work is so freaking subtle... absolute perfection
Phil is the definition of a musician.
His snare flams, tom fills and tom to snare hits are inventive and powerful
Me too and as a left handed person it was easier, he inadvertently taught me along with Prairie Prince (tubes) who is right handed but a sublime drummer,more or less everything I need to know,listen to Brand X for Philips best technical playing, amazing stuff ,you can watch “and so to F” on UA-cam.
@@paulchambers9456 I have seen that performance and it's brilliant, Phil truly at his best.. I'ma righty but play southpaw thanks to Phil...
can you do the same with the definitive edition remaster in 94? (not the boring remix version by Nick Davis )
Their best album as the trio. This track shows the brilliant drumming of Phil Collins with a SINGLE bass drum pedal and Mike’s unique Moog bass pedals and bass guitar. A very special rhythm unit. No wonder Steve Hackett used them on his first solo album “Voyage of the Acolyte”.
I swear, Phil has a coiled spring in his left foot instead of an ankle!
I believe Phil always used a single bass drum, Gretsch, of course.
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He did have Premier kits for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, A Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering.
@@briane5706 Although he did use a gretsch kick drum on wind and wuthering with the premier toms and used a premiere kit for only the live tour of the lamb
This might be Mike at his best as a bassist. Even his pure lead guitar work, which I find serviceable but not incredible in other areas, is really killer on this track.
very interesting, another fine example of how unique genesis rythm section was...
Up there on the top besides bruford /squire , Copeland/sting, Bonham/Jones ,deacon/taylor , Glover/paice...
Huge fusion vibes come back on this track
One of my favourite pieces of drumming by PC
He's so fucking "killer...!."
Phil Collins is probably my favourite rock drummer.
MaxMackan "probably"
He remains so painfully underrated.
I'm totally obsessed with his drumming. I continually discover little details that I had somehow missed on my first 1000 listens. He's so subtle!
Yes. Obviously, I've neglected this channel for a while, but I will do some more soon. I've already messed around with Back in NYC, and I don't think it's possible to get the drums out of that one. The 5.1 mix is all I have to work with, and Back in NYC is mixed a bit differently than most of the other songs in way that makes it hard to isolate anything. I've tried Los Endos, too. I can get the drums and bass out of that one, but that track is so terribly disfigured by compression/limiting that the drums sound broken.
Flavorful drumming
Terrifying ghost notes - Phil is just unbelievable.
I actually like what you weren’t able to take out, as it puts a bit of context on the rhythm section.
Didn't realize the Moog Taurus was played almost the entire intro section.
I had no idea, either! You can't hear the resonance of it in the final mix. It just shows us how frequencies get gobbled up sometimes.
if you watch the Three Sides Live video you can see Mike stompin on the damn thing the whole time
Same here !
I think it’s maybe used the same way the whole time in Turn it on Again, triggered by the guitar.
I thought the same thing and immediately started thinking about other Genesis songs from all eras. The same can probably be said. The bass pedal played an obvious role early on and as the albums progress (and music technology and their style progresses) the pedal shifts into a more implicit role where you don’t realize it’s there often. But it’s also probably cause they started using more synthesized sounds on the Taurus that blend with the synths (idk… something to talk about from the physics of sound perspective)
There’s so much going on here. The level of mastery is not displayed in the notes being played, but the ease that Phil expresses them.
Nice isolation. Love this track from a fine album. Saw Genesis do this song as an opener in 1981. Collins incredible on drums playing along with Chester Thompson. It's good that on this isolation, that both the Taurus bass pedals and the bass guitar can be clearly heard. Many thanks.
IMHO banks was the main driving force behind genesis
But the band would have been crap without Rutherford and Collins
What a trio
Drums sounds better even than album!
One of the best isolations I have heard.
Mike and Phil are so good together !
Man this outstanding!!!! ❤️
The little bop baddap baddop Phil plays on a high tom tom in the beginning instrumental jam...I always wondered if that influenced Prince to do something similar in 1999.
Awesome. Love this track. Always a great concert opener. In The Cage isolated Bass would be much apreciated. Some parts are mindblowing.
Bass fill at 1:08!
Phil is phenomanal , thanks for the upload!
Some of the Phil C vocal overdubs that pop in (at the forefront here in the stereo difference) help put the humor of Genesis in perspective. Watch Phil’s camcorder footage from the Mama sessions for evidence. I love how stereo difference makes things sound ‘unmastered’ and live.
It shows how to use an octave splitter on the higher vocal,I’ve done this and it’s great .
This is so interesting to hear… I was a big fan since the 80s.
Beyond amazing and inspiring
You're great! Thanks for doing these.
God, this really shows how criminally underrated Rutherford is as a bassist.
Absolutly marvelous , like a game , wowwww
Did not know there was organ on this track!
I can only stay if you have the will to keep me here
SOUNDS GREAT....
the backing vocals are very funny
Where do you got these Isolated Tracks ?
Powerful, as is Genesis
Awesome!!!
Pure moog taurus
Phil had a very fast left foot
Nimble foot
There are pictures of the "Duke" sessions, where it is revealed that Mike used an Alembic bass, so it's safe to say that that's what we're hearing here.
Hmm I believe you, but I don't think its the Alembic on this track.. I've got a Shergold modulator with the recording module and it can nail this kind of tone quite easily. I could be wrong though as I have zero experience with Alembics..
I believe the Alembic Series 1 appears on some of the other, shorter tracks later on in the album. This does sound like the Shergold. The Alembic does have a slightly different tone. On a different note, I have a strong feeling that the little guitar solo here is done by either the Roland GS500 or the Ibanez AR2622.
@@world_of_max.g Mike said in interviews that he didn't use his double necks in the studio because of them being heavy and that his main studio guitar at the time was a Sunburst Fender Stratocaster which he also use for the Duke tour as his main stage guitar.
@@RastaSaiyaman Ah yes, that gorgeous looking 1977/78 sunburst Stratocaster (used a lot in that period and heavily featured in the TSL film). It is highly possible that did the solo, but to my ears, it does sound like either the Roland or the Ibanez. It's also highly possible Mike just used the bottom half of the Shergold double neck, as it was designed to be detached and used separately. Who knows.
@@world_of_max.g Mike did mention in interviews that he uses stratocasters because "it feels wrong to use anything else."
But yeah, if only there was a way to attend the recording sessions back then as a fly on the wall.
Heck it's even possible that Mike used his old Rickenbacker bass.
Awesome. Do you have Duke's End isolated Bass And Drums?
Why has the “Lyceum 1980” show been taken down ,are Genesis going to release it officially ?
PHIL.
These sound like his concert toms to me or is it the gold double headed kit , both premier as is is my vintage premier 1980s eight piece,like his as I’m left handed ,I have concert toms .
I found an interview where he mentions he used the black Premier kit in the studio from W&W thru Abacab.
Is anyone able to upload the guitar tracks?
Amazing!. Which software didi you use to isolate bass?
I did this in Reaper. I was just playing around with the 5.1 mix and stumbled upon some cool tricks.
can you do the same with the definitive edition remaster in 94? (not the boring remix version by Nick Davis )
I wish. This only works for the remix because there's a 5.1 mix that allows certain things to "cancel out" if hit the right buttons.
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Do Genesis's B side called Feeding the Fire! Can you post a video with the isolated keyboard or bass. This is a great song as the B side of Land of Confusion. Please do this song
👍👍
Thanks.
the snare drum is not really good when i listened to my original cd (in 1980 and remastered in 1994) the snare drum was agressive, the bass drum was modern , the sounds of the toms were fantastic .WIth the new original mix it's cool but all the agressive sound is now forgotten to a boring pop sound without the aggressive sound of the beginning but i supposed the others were ok with that
The snare drum on the 2007 remaster slaps
it seems mike is pretty libertarian bass player
wath
how i even find it and if you wathing in 2018 like