Only bm hunter deserves S tier. Giga dmg with super simple rotation allows to focus more on what’s going on in the game rather than tunnelling on your dps rotation. If you want rating and don’t care what you play - BM will cruise you to 2k even if you’re a total nub
I'D argue that ATM, Fury took first spot in SS and they are only 1 rank behind BM in 3s and they are also mostly PvE tunel vision character. I play both Aff lock and Fury and while BM are my nemesis on lock, I can tell you my war is just stupidly easy to play to succes and requiered barely any practice or research.
Buffing all healers into the realm of A tier should always be the priority for blizzard, as more healer gives faster queue. And an unhappy healer won't necesserly reroll to another healing class.
While nice in theory it's not possible not without reworking several healers. There is a reason disc and hpal always seems to rise to the top. They have way better externals same reason rdruid mw rsham and holy are normally not good unless their throughput is so far ahead. Disc and hpal just have so many your team can't die button plus really high shielding and hps.. rsham has low fps and link which dies in 1 hit and sometimes they even have to ascend to top in a link. You could get throughput exactly the same but the defensive equity isn't there
@@cainrip89 I never said it would be easy I've said it should be a priority and clearly blizzard isn't going thatw ay. They had severals resto druid change that were PvE only. Personaly for me, this is when I've decided to quite healing and my druid and made an Aff lock. I won,t be healing in season 1 for sure.
Can we please have the ability to play around with stats easier going forward in pvp? Its either expensive as hell to enchant, gem etc or its typically conquest capped so you basically are not allowed to play more than one spec in pvp for the majority of every season and it's so dumb. One of my favorite parts of the game is just playing around with different builds, limit testing and being able to multispec my main but its so damn restrictive for no reason at all. Maybe blizzard doesnt care since pvp:ers seems to be 1% of the player base atm but can we please get some love and maybe players will start to come back and we wont have to wait 20 minutes for a damn shuffle queue. Btw really appriceate these frequent pvp video updates you've started doing supa.
@@Jeebizz101 yeah it saddens me that its the last 20% of the season, a simple compromise would be to give us a 1350ish cap every week instead so we reach that point faster, since pvp gear literally doesnt interfere with pve ilvls anymore i dont see an issue there. I know there is prob some concerns about new players not wanting to fall too far behind so maybe the small cap is for them but its just weird.. you can tell basically noone who works at blizzard plays pvp..
@@aeoxgaming8128 I suppose they also wannaa keep us on the hamster wheel and logging in each week as well, for some people once they get all their gear they feel "done" and stop logging til next season
It’s because people are fucking tier slaves, realistically he can move everything down 2 tiers and have 1-2 outliers in S but then everyone’s gonna baby rage and say their spec is useless and lvl whatever is S tier. EU meta slaving is awful and especially
@@HKono_ if everything was s-tier and well balanced then nothing would be s-tier technically, s-tier is those outlier broken specs imo, like that first season when hunters got stampede and it was broken, or s5 dk etc... Not when a class is well designed and performs well such as the classes in this s-tier. Thats why some of these tier lists actually started putting in a s+ tier lol
I dont know if I agree on the s tier aff lock. Definitely strong yes, but there are so many classes now that either just wipe all your dots constantly or straight go immune. Been a rough climb lately lol
@@ostrogothiccyoutube8118 he discusses comps for and against a few specs as well as types of lobbies for shuffle. I'm not time stamping every instance for you, just pay attention to the video lol.
The problem with the firemage is not damage, but survival. Increasing his burst a little will not raise him to "A". Because even now his damage is enough to kill a player during the control time of healer Firemage has only 1 ice block, there is no skill that would reduce the % damage on him. All the firemage's defensive skills are simply dispelled by everyone from the hunter to the priest.
hey supatease, could you adress blitz queue times in your next video? since the patch que times went up from 5-10 minutes to 20-40 minutes. they tried to prove matchmaking which only improved a little bit. you still have a mw monk vs 2 priests on flag map etc which is completly unbalanced, but the queue time quadrupled on the day the patch came.. i dont think there is anyone in the pvp community that would enjoy waiting that long for small mm improvements. i think pvp devs might actually watch your videos and for me it feels impossible to adress the issue
Frankly, i would just forgoe the S-tier and lower everyone by one tier or something. S-tier should be for broken classes, I would say. For example Hpal / Feral / SP of a few weeks ago
Spriest, Feral and BM all got buffed through the roof over countless weeks and once they got to S Tier they just left them alone, disgustingly incompetent dev team. Also, regardless of how well Rshams can heal, their utility alone should never put them in anything below low A Tier.
For shaman, help harm macros can save a lot of keybinds. Survival hunter is the absolute worst. Out of easily accessible keys to hit. That’s not even counting pet move and other minor macros
Fire will feel better, but it won‘t be A tier. The main culprit of why Fire dmg feels like a wet noodle is how useless Pyroblast is. A meagre 8% increase won‘t change that. Meteor buffs are nice, but Fire Mage has no way of landing it reliably without someone elses CC. Fire, unlike Frost and Arcane, also only has 2 good PvP talents (Ice Wall, Ring of Fire), everything else is literally a meme. Master Shepard is mid at best. In the end, the only two relevant changes are Pyroblast and Frostfire Burst buff, of which only the latter will even be noticeable imo. I hope I‘m wrong.
Everything seems to have the same damage profile. They are making things hot from 500k-1.2m and anything hitting harder gets nerfed. For example elemental earth shock is their current only kill condition. It’s not out playable, it’s not so absurd you can’t beat one but yet stupid blizzard wants everything in the game to dink everything else to death with pass damage (such as lava burst and echo) any they are starting to yank the fun out of the game. All classes feel the same almost. Maybe that is just me
my resto shaman don't feel like it's C. maybe in bg blitz I feel like crap but in solo shuffle i kind of love resto shaman we feel super strong in caster lobbys too.
@@TheHookemhornman my guy, I just tried my frost DK again today full conq gear, 500k obliterates during pillar. 700k was my top end hit in a bg. It's still terrible after buffs guaranteed. Just the way the spec functions, you have an extremely predictable 10s kill window that needs DRs, setup, and you can't be CC'd or your kill window is over
Can we please stop pretending outlaw is more complex than sub? Try sub one time to 2400. Going 2-4/ 3-3 to 2400 doesnt give you any fair insight (not supa specifically but everyone at 2400+ mmr). Try climbing 3-3 or 4-2 on a fresh acc and youll be getting a completely different perspective when you have 1 2-4 or worse game and lose 60-80 pts at
Not saying anything is fair or isn't fair just that this skews your opinion. It's impossible for someone with mmr blessing at 2.2k+ to even fall below 1800 on any alt. Every fresh char I make starts at 1798 mmr now with everyone else in the lobby fresh at 1798 mmr 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Unless you throw the game you're going to have maybe ONE 1-5 OR 2-4 game if you're unlucky or cant carry the lobby, as opposed to someone being stuck 1600-2k winning/losing 0-2 pts at 3-3 and losing 30-80 at 4-2 or 5-1 and trying to carry 3x/ chars confirmed so far
@july5345 ive been playing fire all expansion and it was really not in a C tier like this dude was saying. Probably high B. With these buff it will def be a lot more viable for PvP.
The WW buffs aren’t as great as they sound. I’d say overall nerf. FoF does no dmg now and mostly is just used to get dragon punch or parry attacks. The celestial buffs are the that great, the class will still have the issue of damage splitting. Blackout kick buff isn’t bad but nothing that will cause panic.
There go my plans for being the ultimate blood Absterge killer...
Only bm hunter deserves S tier. Giga dmg with super simple rotation allows to focus more on what’s going on in the game rather than tunnelling on your dps rotation. If you want rating and don’t care what you play - BM will cruise you to 2k even if you’re a total nub
The amount of huntards I’m seeing at 1900 CR 2s who die and don’t press turtle is crazy
I'D argue that ATM, Fury took first spot in SS and they are only 1 rank behind BM in 3s and they are also mostly PvE tunel vision character. I play both Aff lock and Fury and while BM are my nemesis on lock, I can tell you my war is just stupidly easy to play to succes and requiered barely any practice or research.
BM is so easy I know Disc priests (Which is braindead easy and OP) swap to BM.
Buffing all healers into the realm of A tier should always be the priority for blizzard, as more healer gives faster queue. And an unhappy healer won't necesserly reroll to another healing class.
While nice in theory it's not possible not without reworking several healers. There is a reason disc and hpal always seems to rise to the top. They have way better externals same reason rdruid mw rsham and holy are normally not good unless their throughput is so far ahead. Disc and hpal just have so many your team can't die button plus really high shielding and hps.. rsham has low fps and link which dies in 1 hit and sometimes they even have to ascend to top in a link. You could get throughput exactly the same but the defensive equity isn't there
@@cainrip89 I never said it would be easy I've said it should be a priority and clearly blizzard isn't going thatw ay. They had severals resto druid change that were PvE only. Personaly for me, this is when I've decided to quite healing and my druid and made an Aff lock. I won,t be healing in season 1 for sure.
Can we please have the ability to play around with stats easier going forward in pvp? Its either expensive as hell to enchant, gem etc or its typically conquest capped so you basically are not allowed to play more than one spec in pvp for the majority of every season and it's so dumb. One of my favorite parts of the game is just playing around with different builds, limit testing and being able to multispec my main but its so damn restrictive for no reason at all. Maybe blizzard doesnt care since pvp:ers seems to be 1% of the player base atm but can we please get some love and maybe players will start to come back and we wont have to wait 20 minutes for a damn shuffle queue. Btw really appriceate these frequent pvp video updates you've started doing supa.
they just removed the conquest cap this week I think, bit late in the season obvs but at least you can tinker with gear now
@@Jeebizz101 yeah it saddens me that its the last 20% of the season, a simple compromise would be to give us a 1350ish cap every week instead so we reach that point faster, since pvp gear literally doesnt interfere with pve ilvls anymore i dont see an issue there. I know there is prob some concerns about new players not wanting to fall too far behind so maybe the small cap is for them but its just weird.. you can tell basically noone who works at blizzard plays pvp..
@@aeoxgaming8128 I suppose they also wannaa keep us on the hamster wheel and logging in each week as well, for some people once they get all their gear they feel "done" and stop logging til next season
@@Jeebizz101 so true
Drink every time Supa says the word "specifically."
kinda feels like S-tier has lost its meaning
If they could get every class to S tier then the game is balanced haha. If everything is broken then nothing is
That’s because the balancing is better than ever only behind mop
It’s because people are fucking tier slaves, realistically he can move everything down 2 tiers and have 1-2 outliers in S but then everyone’s gonna baby rage and say their spec is useless and lvl whatever is S tier. EU meta slaving is awful and especially
@@HKono_ if everything was s-tier and well balanced then nothing would be s-tier technically, s-tier is those outlier broken specs imo, like that first season when hunters got stampede and it was broken, or s5 dk etc... Not when a class is well designed and performs well such as the classes in this s-tier. Thats why some of these tier lists actually started putting in a s+ tier lol
S-tier shouldn't exist, so maybe that is a good thing
I dont know if I agree on the s tier aff lock. Definitely strong yes, but there are so many classes now that either just wipe all your dots constantly or straight go immune. Been a rough climb lately lol
Or if you Q a small map against melee 💀
you know more than just arena exist right
@@ostrogothiccyoutube8118yes, but classes in this video are discussed from a 3v3/solo shuffle standpoint.
@@rickyspanish645 time?
@@ostrogothiccyoutube8118 he discusses comps for and against a few specs as well as types of lobbies for shuffle. I'm not time stamping every instance for you, just pay attention to the video lol.
Boomy main putting balance in b tier? Stop it and be real
be real in what? no changes so it will die as quickly as it did. I prefer to get -20% damage and get some survivability than let it go like this...
Boomy feeling strong since they got the double incarn
I been waiting for my guy to drop this bad boy.
Buffing the non s classes to get them all close is better than nerfing a class
At least in that order, buff first nerf after
Unless it's something like BM black arrow, I agree
Nerf the major outliers and slowly bring everything else up to snuff
Fuck man i wasnt ready to invest 22 minutes to youtube but here we are lmao
That's not an investment that's a waste
Supatease : 'sustained damage is not super valuable'
Bm hunters : am I a joke too you?
Dev evpler here. I agree with the ranking. You can 100% change the tempo of the hame djring burst windows. But youre also a glass cannon.
“Unholy is really close” 🤡 this dude
Thanks allot for this insight mate! Appriciate this allot!!
Sub rogue A tier ? It's a C tier spec
The problem with the firemage is not damage, but survival. Increasing his burst a little will not raise him to "A". Because even now his damage is enough to kill a player during the control time of healer
Firemage has only 1 ice block, there is no skill that would reduce the % damage on him. All the firemage's defensive skills are simply dispelled by everyone from the hunter to the priest.
When I see a new Supatease video I click like.
hey supatease, could you adress blitz queue times in your next video? since the patch que times went up from 5-10 minutes to 20-40 minutes. they tried to prove matchmaking which only improved a little bit. you still have a mw monk vs 2 priests on flag map etc which is completly unbalanced, but the queue time quadrupled on the day the patch came.. i dont think there is anyone in the pvp community that would enjoy waiting that long for small mm improvements. i think pvp devs might actually watch your videos and for me it feels impossible to adress the issue
Can we get a comp tier list.
I live for these tier lists 🙏
Frankly, i would just forgoe the S-tier and lower everyone by one tier or something.
S-tier should be for broken classes, I would say. For example Hpal / Feral / SP of a few weeks ago
sub rogue only A-S tier in skirms 🤣 and you can't play anything other than mage/lock/boomy and at which point you should just play outlaw
but 20% black powder buff could be viable for melee cleave, big dam 😎
Spriest, Feral and BM all got buffed through the roof over countless weeks and once they got to S Tier they just left them alone, disgustingly incompetent dev team. Also, regardless of how well Rshams can heal, their utility alone should never put them in anything below low A Tier.
S tier is the nerf class and a tier the solide classes
shamans and hunters have always had button bloat....one of the reasons I thought Jellybeans was so good....he used EVERYTHING.
For shaman, help harm macros can save a lot of keybinds.
Survival hunter is the absolute worst. Out of easily accessible keys to hit. That’s not even counting pet move and other minor macros
Survival is so fun i love beating the BM rerollers 😎 ill be jumping around with my cool 2H sword while you forget to turtle
I have zero problems on my resto shaman... just need to teach kids to stay close
The changes for Sub are for M+ and M+ alone.
For the first time this expansion I get one of my classes in S tier! Go WW monks
Fire will feel better, but it won‘t be A tier. The main culprit of why Fire dmg feels like a wet noodle is how useless Pyroblast is. A meagre 8% increase won‘t change that. Meteor buffs are nice, but Fire Mage has no way of landing it reliably without someone elses CC. Fire, unlike Frost and Arcane, also only has 2 good PvP talents (Ice Wall, Ring of Fire), everything else is literally a meme. Master Shepard is mid at best. In the end, the only two relevant changes are Pyroblast and Frostfire Burst buff, of which only the latter will even be noticeable imo. I hope I‘m wrong.
Frost Dk will be good on 2v2 ?
rsham arms need justice
Ive always at least alted resto sham after a break the button bloat turned me off it completely. feels really sad my 42 keybinds arent enough
I dont think these changes will affect the meta at all. Hpal, Spriest, Feral, BM Huntard will still reign supreme.
im back in retail after about a month and a half. Seems like nothing really changed.
Hello, have you ever thought of doing a video about how to learn arena for new players?
Everything seems to have the same damage profile. They are making things hot from 500k-1.2m and anything hitting harder gets nerfed. For example elemental earth shock is their current only kill condition. It’s not out playable, it’s not so absurd you can’t beat one but yet stupid blizzard wants everything in the game to dink everything else to death with pass damage (such as lava burst and echo) any they are starting to yank the fun out of the game. All classes feel the same almost. Maybe that is just me
Ranking frost DK A tier, I can instantly tell you haven’t played it much (if at all) in PvP. Even with those minor buffs, it’s C tiers.
Keeps changing everyweek
That's good. That's what we want. We actually want the gap closed faster and earlier
when these go live?
Where can I find these patch notes ??😊
Easiest way is to go to forums and toggle the search to "blue tracker"
my resto shaman don't feel like it's C. maybe in bg blitz I feel like crap but in solo shuffle i kind of love resto shaman we feel super strong in caster lobbys too.
Putting SP above everything is wild. It's not THAT good.
Frost DK and A tier sadly do not match
It’s very strong. Just need to stop cleaving with your toilet paper roll and use cds correctly as a burst spec
@@TheHookemhornman frost is mid tier at best
@@TheHookemhornman my guy, I just tried my frost DK again today full conq gear, 500k obliterates during pillar. 700k was my top end hit in a bg. It's still terrible after buffs guaranteed. Just the way the spec functions, you have an extremely predictable 10s kill window that needs DRs, setup, and you can't be CC'd or your kill window is over
Frost is legit
@@BeatRock253 legit average
This guy must be trolling with this tierlist.
Yea ur gonna have fun on tuesday. =[
Can we please stop pretending outlaw is more complex than sub? Try sub one time to 2400. Going 2-4/ 3-3 to 2400 doesnt give you any fair insight (not supa specifically but everyone at 2400+ mmr). Try climbing 3-3 or 4-2 on a fresh acc and youll be getting a completely different perspective when you have 1 2-4 or worse game and lose 60-80 pts at
Literally watched bigdam go 2550-261x on one of his alts in a 3-3 game gained 60+ pts 😂 when I just gained 2 pts at 4-2 2.2k
Not saying anything is fair or isn't fair just that this skews your opinion.
It's impossible for someone with mmr blessing at 2.2k+ to even fall below 1800 on any alt. Every fresh char I make starts at 1798 mmr now with everyone else in the lobby fresh at 1798 mmr 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Unless you throw the game you're going to have maybe ONE 1-5 OR 2-4 game if you're unlucky or cant carry the lobby, as opposed to someone being stuck 1600-2k winning/losing 0-2 pts at 3-3 and losing 30-80 at 4-2 or 5-1 and trying to carry
3x/ chars confirmed so far
Stormbringer Elemental for me is Sith Lord😂
Windwalker already so good? Aren’t they under 3% representation in melee solo shuffle?
easily kited by range lobby. this is why it's so bad.
There is no fucking universe where SP is still S tier lmao. The spec mechanically doesn't work, while being decent at best all round.
uuuhm if you leave SP freecasting that mf rots you in seconds.
@ Not any more than literally every other caster when if free casting
Lock getting buffs....lol....
Excuse me but how is MW not S-Tier 😂 I really think that MW is a tide bit better than Holy Pala
you should use random tier list thumbnails if you want people to watch
Where are Assass nerfs??? They are kb machines atm. Op af
Whats a kb ?
How is assas op and feral isnt? Sounds like 1.5k midrank crisis
@@EthCepher hello mr geogre
I mean that's just an execute, lots of classes have one
Fury before ele?
You gonna finish assn rogue this time on the 2400 challenge? 🥲😂
BM easy spec to do well on, r u serious? That toon can't work well without macros, jeez...
where can i see this note ?
Wowhead news with class changes in the title
how much shitzarad pay you ?
So DH is worse dps
im just happy thie fire mage ive been playing all season may be viable
unless they buff pyro damage hard, and fix the clunky spells like phoenix flames, fire will not be meta.
@@july5345doesn't have to be meta. Not everyone is a meta sheep that changes their spec/class every 2 weeks just to stay in the meta.
@@Ferrinwolf well im just saying, dont expect these changes to sky rocket fire mage.
@july5345 ive been playing fire all expansion and it was really not in a C tier like this dude was saying. Probably high B. With these buff it will def be a lot more viable for PvP.
Fire mage an A tear , only in prediction UA-cam videos never in reality .
Right next to frost too 😂
ww buffs is only blackout kick, all other buffs is a meme
The WW buffs aren’t as great as they sound. I’d say overall nerf. FoF does no dmg now and mostly is just used to get dragon punch or parry attacks.
The celestial buffs are the that great, the class will still have the issue of damage splitting.
Blackout kick buff isn’t bad but nothing that will cause panic.
u smoke smthing
Pretty bad tier
World of meleecraft 😔
It’s literally the most caster meta it’s EVER been. There’s almost 2 casters for every melee in the top 500, you’re prob just bad.
@@hellburdened farmed
@@HKono_ Cry more as you get trained into a 0-6
Every S-tier is an annoying turd spec. 💀