Cheers! Yeah it such an awesome channel community. Love that one person ask how everyone is doing and the discussion just rolls as if we were all speaking in person.
I’ve had a Zappi since September. Brilliant bit of kit. Really comes into its own when you have Solar. There’s no greater satisfaction than seeing your car charging for free from the Sun!
Octopus Agile has been on the expensive side over the last few months due to a lack of supply (several reactors have been offline), but Octopus Go is a fantastic alternative giving 5 hours at 5 pence per KWh for EV charging, with the rest priced just below 14 pence per KWh
Thanks Pete, a brilliant and informative video. As another commenter has said, we'll all need these sooner or later, so this is a very useful upload. I have a wind turbine micro generator here, so seeing how technologically great Zappi is, was a real eye-opener. Thanks again! 👍
@Jamie Davison it's an Evance 5kWh, but the Company dealing them in UK is now Britwind...here's a link for info. www.sustainableenergysystems.co.uk/britwind-r9000-5kw/ Takes about 7-10 years to recover cost fully but you are getting some 'free' electricity during that time too. It's nice getting a healthy cheque in from the Supplier every quarter. The wind blows 24/7, unlike sunlight 😉. Good luck!
I’ve got a Zappie linked to solar and about to install battery storage as well. The Zappie also very cleverly disconnects the EV if there is a fault on the supply to your house. Otherwise your EV could be live with what appears the rest of your house disconnected!
Useful information again as I fit out my new garage. No EV/Hybrid yet but maybe later in the year so seeing the installation was interesting. Stay safe! Richard😃😃😃
I helped design and had a solar PV system installed that includes the Zappi's sibling product, the Eddi power diverter, which uses excess power generated to warm the hot water tank immersion in preference to export. It is a nice piece of kit and provides similar information to the Zappi to help you manage your energy consumption. I do hope you install a solar PV array as I was involved with microgeneration prior to retirement and I prefer solar to other technologies because of its passive nature.
@@matthewtaylor3351 The ability to precisely set the charge rate in order to interface with solar production, which varies widely during the course of the year.
Hi Ped, I joined Octopus late last year and ordered a smart meter straight away. Nice chap came in February fitted new meters and gave me the home display to check what I was using. The gas part of the display worked straight away, it took about 3 weeks before the info was available to see on the website. The electric however was a different story. After waiting 2 weeks I emailed Octopus -nothing after 3 days. It's taken 4 phone calls, 6 emails and 10 weeks before both the website and display are now working. They still couldn't give any reason what the problem was. I'm hoping to change to Octopus go, but now I'm hoping it don't throw a spanner in the works. Just thought I would say that it may take a bit of time before the smart meters become - "Smart". Great videos and content as usual, very envious of that Zappi charger.
Good choice! The Zappi is #1 on my list for the ability to change charging priorities so I can use all my solar surplus and have the flexibility to change the priorities depending on whether I'm home all day or need to get a charge in a certain time regardless. That is the killer feature especially when you are exporting nearly 1000kW per quarter for a measly amount. I am in Australia and the only concern I would have is how it would handle a hot day with the sun on it or would it need to be sheltered. On the lock on the fuse panel, Any industry especially mining has very strict protocols on isolations including a clamp that everyone puts their lock on so it could have 5 or 6 locks on it. Not nice when someone turns on a 1000 Hp machine with someone inside it.
Another great video and more great content. I’ll share it to a EV Driving Instructors group on Facebook, so many ADI’s are getting EV tuition vehicles, this will be of great interest I’m sure.
Shared with my friend who’s brother has ordered a BMW I3 Sport and he’s now awaiting his own one of these after watching this and talking to them . Hopefully you also got a new subscriber !
Just ordered my black tethered unit, solar panels, storage battery, Tesla M3 LR and in the process of the switch to Octopus Energy - like an 8 year old waiting for Christmas at present, roll on May
I've had my wall charger since 2017 so no intelligence to mine, but then I did get the Government subsidy. Cost me £150 but the electrician charge circa £750 supply and fit, government subsidy paid the difference. I did have a bit of paperwork to submit and had to give either the reg of the car or a copy of the new car order, just as you described. Great video, very informative
Nice Install. I was on Octopus Agile but went to Go -Faster as Agile prices have not been great lately (wholesale prices have got higher). Go faster is a bit easier to deal with as straightforward.I now get 4 hours between 8:30pm and 12:30am at 5p/kWh and that means I can also do washing etc atthat time not just charge the car ;-) Agile was getting too expensive as the daytime rate was so much higher :( Might be worth a look as with Go-Faster you can choose (to a certain extent)the times you want the cheap period to be and also how long can have 3h for 4.5p or 5 hours for 5.5p so its very good! I may go back to agile in the future as it was a great idea to try to balance the load on the grid and reflect the carbon intensity with higher prices.
Great video! I have an Ohme charger which connects to the car and works out how much power it needs to reach target and starts at optimum price point..great tech!
Id love an EV but 1 cost of the car ( Tesla) 2 I've only got communal parking or layby outside my house so having one of these chargers fitted and making owning an EV a dream I cant dam shame really. Really great video stay safe 😎😉👍
You know a lot of people have uploaded videos of them using different charge points (Charge Master, Shell, etc), and explaining how they charge their cars. It would brilliant if you could make a video diary of doing the same thing. It would sort of add to your already cool reviews that you have done.
Zappis are great bit of kit. . I've got 2 EV's and solar. Had so much sunshine that I actually managed to fill both cars last weekend. Running cost for overnight charging on Octopus GO is £1.47 for about 100 miles of range. My business fuel costs have gone from £30 a week to about £2.
That’s brilliant. With these savings, surely it will reduce the time it will take to get your money back from the solar panels? Most people say it takes 10-15 years to earn the money back from solar, but if the solar is charging your car, surely this time is slashed?
@@neilmcknight9003 They've paid for themselves this spring. I bought them in 2013 and get about £700 feed in tariff payments a year. Typically now the government has slashed the FIT payments new solar buyers will only get their money back if they charge an EV during the day.
Having your own private fuel station in the garage is every bloke’s dream. You didn’t mention the output of yours? My Taycan 4S+ charges at 7,4kW. Strangely on the same equipment, the TMXP charges at 8,4kW and the TM3P at a whopping 10.4kW!! Not sure why my Taycan charges so “slow”. 0-100% takes about 13-14hrs (as charge drops in the end), but in general, one doesn’t park with an empty battery, and 7-8hrs is the usual charge time to reach 100% so I guess overnight “full tank” is OK. Now you just got to get yourself a Taycan😉 The base RWD with the big battery goes a long way👌🏻
I've just changed from Agile to Go as Agile prices have been quite high for several months now... whereas with Octopus Go you are charged 5p per kwh between 12.30am and 4.30am which your Zappi can be set to. Once your smart meter is fitted you can change to Go immediately. Good luck👍
I wanted the wallbox pulsar plus but couldn't find an olev installer and ended up with the Zappi. It is a really good charger and myenergi have great customer service too. Really glad I ended up getting one. One thing they could improve is allowing a timed charge greater than 8 hours. When I need to do an equalisation charge I could do with a longer time period.
Unfortunately my car doesn't have a timer and my off peak starts at 00:30. I only need the longer timing for an equalisation charge which isn't very often.
That was really interesting. You didn't give a cost but I will have a look on their website. If I was buying a second hand electric or plug in hybrid I would need to get one so that has been most helpful. Thanks again.
@@PetrolPed Thanks very much. It helps greatly knowing a company that can be trusted that comes on a recommendation that I trust as well. Not quite at the stage of purchasing yet but it's a near certainty that the next car will be at least a PHEV if not a full electric.
I'm sure Octopus Energy will be offering this service in the near future another brilliant video I suppose it's great if you've got the space I'm loving forward to when and which car you and Mrs P are going to get I can see there's going to be a lot of EV press cars coming your way I've still not seen a EV car on the road or heard one 🤫😂
Agreed! In fact, having property like yours, It would be crazy not to have solar panels. I charge my EV car completely from the solar panels during the day. When full, the excess goes to the grid and I get a nice cheque quaterly.
Great video showing the prep required to put what is effectively a filling station in at home. I did something similar in early 2019 before getting the e-Niro here in France. We put a dedicated feed from the consumer unit into the barn where the car is parked, buried a 15 mm cable 600 mm underground ...bit of overkill you could say but my sparky wanted to be on the safe side. I don’t have anything so sophisticated as the Zappi, not sure they sell them here and as I’m retired I don’t need to charge faster than the ‘granny’ cable. I do have solar panels though and last year my 8 panels produced enough electricity for me to drive 15,000 km which was 85% of my driving. We have an ancient electro-mechanical meter that runs backwards when the sun is shining....So until the dreaded smart metering arrives we are running the car almost for free!
Great video Ped, nice to unravel the mysteries of EV charging. I suspect the intricacies of tariffs and car to grid will be lost on a lot of people initially until it becomes the norm.
There are very few EVs capable of car to grid so it's not much of an issue presently. (The drawback of car to grid is that you are cycling the battery more frequently ... and ultimately the life of the battery is measured in cycles ... so you are shortening its life. I'm not sure I want to do that with the most expensive component in an expensive car!)
13:21 *I have a **_Smart Meter_** it alerts me when my wife has left the Heater on **_again_** - have bought her a Tog24 Ski Jacket and saved ££££ on Energy - Go Green like Greta I tell her as she Shivers, The Lounge and Kitchen areas can be reduced on individual thermostats by as much as 5-10 degrees, before any risk of hypothermia set in, at which point to prevent any loss of limbs due to frostbite we go to bed with ONE HOT Water Bottle taken in turns of course, but sometimes find alternative means*
Hi Ped and not forgetting the Pups Excellent content and very informative, well done. Interesting to see how much tec is incorporated in the installation. However when you mentioned the Smart Meter thus got my blood pressure up.I think the introduction of Smart Meters (Gen 1) has been the most disasterous roll out and financial scam we have been saddled with in years. Not Fit For Purpose and no one will be held accountable😬😬😬
Next up solar panels and a MINI E for daily driving. 😁👍 Or a Tesla model 3 long range and a second charger at the holiday home in Cornwall (think it is) and your sorted. It’s addictive by the looks of it. Would love a Zappy and a EV but a few things need to fall in place either a dip in new EV price along with increased range as it wouldn’t be a second Car as I’d want to actually do road trips. Pity you missed out on that new Ioniq 5 it looks amazing, maybe get one to review when they actually have more than one in the U.K.👍
Am thinking about getting this but hear a lot of criticisms regards build quality and it not working as it should? Have solar panel and buying a Tesla.
I’ve a friend who is a sparky that sounds exactly like Kevin when doing a job.... I think sparkys are a bit like policemen when it comes to vocabulary & terminology. 😂
Solar would be a great move. Given time one imagines that the 'agile' tariff will change - it is all about when people are using electric - if everyone is charging cars at night (normally a low usage period) - will there still be a price advantage. I already have a Ground Source Heat Pump (installed in 2006) - this means I can't have an EV charger on our property (in the middle of nowhere!) as our power supply isn't big enough (We are limited to a 100 amps) - We also have a granny annex on site for my Mother in Law. Good Luck and will be interested to see developments.
interesting, especially for a Barnham resident who already uses Octopus Energy . I assume 1st test is going to be the Polestar test /week would be interested if the Polestar can play digital music from a USB stick. Last time I investigated it could not
Hi. Take care to do the analysis on the agile tariff as it’s not always as cheap as you’d like. We’ve been on it for 10 months or so and initial savings were huge but we’ve paid more than our previous tariff for the last few months even being careful to avoid the peak hours.
@@PetrolPed If/when you are on a smart meter you can download the Octopus Compare app. It analyses your actual previous usage and will give you exact costs of each Octopus tariff for your own pattern of use. Everybody's situation is different. (It's true that Agile has not actually been a good deal recently for many people .. over the past month I would have paid £18 more on Agile than on Go.)
Really interesting video, thank you for sharing . I also wondered what the cost was (not that we have any EV plans). Lovely to see Darcy & Hallie Bob helping in return for treats 😊
The Zappi is at the higher end of charge point prices. I have one ... and yes it's clever ... but most people will not require the facilities that it offers. All home charge points can charge at the same rate (unless you are in the 1% that have 3 phase electricity).
Very interesting video. A couple of issues I have. I hate the fact that some energy companies insist on the customer having a “smart” meter. Whilst they are not compulsory I will resist. The reason being, I often switch providers to get cheaper tariffs. Therefore, run the risk of the meter becoming a “dumb” meter. Yes, I know it’s less likely with the newer generation of meters! Secondly, my car is in an allocated space in a residential car park and I can see issues with a cable running across the footpath between the car & the house. Sorry, petrol still wins for me!
The smart meter issue has been sorted with the newer types. They really are essential if you want to take advantage of tariffs that give you cheap rates at different times of day/night. Some tariffs can have a different rate for each half hour segment of a 24 hour day! (Anyway, you've got a dumb meter already and seem to be happy with it!)
@@MrAdopado Whilst the risk remains I will still resist. So many stories of botched installation. Just to clarify, I’m on Economy 7 which virtually halves my unit rate at night which is when I use 80% of my power heating water & storage heaters (when required).
You need the right energy meter to do these off peak charging . Electricity suppliers can’t measure your usage with without smart meters. In most cases you do not get the cheapest energy tariff when you have the supplier install a new meter. The recoup that cost in charging more per kWh.
Zappi all the way with control over car charging, battery storage charging, hot water storage heating, control over charge rates, control over setting a maximum load do not to overload the main fuse, great App control, very neat unit and way of holding the 6.5m cable, no need for an earth spike and World Patented RCD DC and AC inbuilt protection without the need fir additional units. Over the air updates as well and British! Looks great and easy to keep clean. Move to Agile or easier Go or Go Faster tariffs with Octopus 🐙 and with Go works out at less than 1p per mile driving, every day/night!!
Well ... I would challenge you on the Zappi "over the air updates"! What a faff. That is the biggest negative of the Zappi owning experience IMHO. A true over the air update happens automatically without user intervention. With a Zappi you have to check that the software version on the Hub is up to date ... if not you have to press/hold/release appropriate button ... wait for download.... watch for colour change on LED. You then have to get the Hub to download the latest software for the Zappi itself by holding down the appropriate button on the Hub for x number of seconds then release ... the download can then take anything between a couple of minutes to half an hour ... watch for the change LED colours or flashing ... once that has been done you need to transfer the software from the Hub to the Zappi ... so you go to the Zappi itself and punch through about 5 different menus to get to where you tell it to download the new software from the Hub. Depending on the software version this can come in 2 downloads and takes several minutes ... after that the Zappi should restart. Job done but it's so complicated you have to go online to check the sequence each time you do it ... and they even changed the instructions. So, OTA updates are definitely more of a technical embarrassment than a selling point! Anyone who is not technically savvy would be totally lost.
I was looking at a Cooper SE until I saw an Autocar article saying Mini are bringing out an electric JCW later in the year or early next year which sounds very interesting.Thought that could even tempt you away from the Tesla Pete although I expect JCWs range will not be much better than the Cooper Se especially with the JCW dial set to maximum performance. I am still waiting to see the electric mini pace car on Formula E. Good podcast by Mrs Ped by the way.
I’ve one of the original Mk1 Zappi’s along with a Harvi, Eddi, and hub. As I’ve also a Tesla Powerwall I find that the OctopusEnergy Go tariff is the best as on that I get four hours of energy at just 5 pence per kWh that’s enough even in the winter to charge my Powerwall which in turn runs the house. In my opinion the Agile tariff is best suited for those without battery back up or solar panels. You haven’t put your link to myenergi £50 discount ! Whoops 😬 should have said your OctopusEnergy £50 discount.
I saw a video recently about EV usage in the USA, which responded to customer surveys concerning the tipping point for choosing EVs. In the video it suggested that the salient points were a guaranteed 320 miles and a price of $31000 max. The exchange rate puts that at £23800, and personally I would rather see close to 500 miles range, so I don't believe here in the UK that we are close to the tipping point yet. The price of the vehicle is going to be the biggest stumbling block, because we come back to the old argument about the variation in price depending on the country you are in. I was wondering if anyone else would like to suggest their own particular price/range requirements before they would consider changing?
Good video and well done for planning ahead, I must admit even I’d thought about connecting solar panels to a storage capacitor and tying in a charger, but the “Luddite” in me is still not ready to give up the ICE for a few years yet! I still like my S3, MX5 and FH4. PS Will you be changing the channel name to “Electric Ped” or even “Smart Peter”!? 😉
The install cost can vary a lot depending on what cabling is needed etc. Average cost of charger and instal would be about £1000 not including any government subsidy 👍
Really interesting. Having 3 phase put on here so more ability to fast charge and feed in from panels. Big resistance to stuff being controlled by hubs and apps however. Two automatic skylight window systems here, the hard wired ones have been no bother for 10+ years, the second hub / app ones a PITA to set up and work reliably, just like the app controlled Bilsteins I had on an Aston once, just give me a flipping switch.
@@PetrolPed For clarity ... it's a different Zappi model that has to be installed for 3 phase. And very few EVs are capable of taking advantage of that 22kW. Even a Tesla Model 3 maxes out at 11kW on AC charging. Still a useful increase in speed if you have the option (and if charging multiple vehicles).
To say that Octopus or for that matter any energy supplier is “Green because they get all their energy from Green Sources” is a complete distortion of the reality. ALL of the energy that individual suppliers sell comes from the National Grid so it depends how that is divided at the point of delivery, Coal and Nuclear are still heavily weighted in the mix. At various times there is a bias towards ‘renewables’ but there is no 100% all year supply from these sources by any supplier.
Is the back of the barn south facing as my house is if it is south facing then your solars panels will be in the sunshine the most of the day usually 8-12 hours
Gotta love supporting British companies 🇬🇧
Always try to if I can 👍
Hi everyone I pray everyone is safe and healthy! Just wanted to say I love this community of peddlers you all rock!
Cheers! Yeah it such an awesome channel community. Love that one person ask how everyone is doing and the discussion just rolls as if we were all speaking in person.
@@francoisg3500 I love how it feels like we are all good friends just having a great chat!
I think it's fantastic we see the same regulars here for every video. I have noticed a few new names in the magnificent seven though.
It’s such a great channel, Pete has done so well to grow such a loyal set of followers which has in turn created this friendly community 😊
@@lorrainebeckett281 Yeah absolutely! It thanks to him and subscriber actively want to chat with each other.
I’ve had a Zappi since September. Brilliant bit of kit. Really comes into its own when you have Solar. There’s no greater satisfaction than seeing your car charging for free from the Sun!
What rate of charge do you get I hear they are around 7kw chargers.
@@cephasmakuzva 7kw is the most you can get from a home charger unless you have 3 phase.
Thank you Chris ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Where did you get your free solar system from?
This is why i really love this channel, we get so much variety, great video Ped.
I second that... So much varied and informative content. Brilliantly put together.
I do try 😜😂
Very good choice mate! Got a Zappi tied into the solar & get a top-up charge from excess solar! Epic piece of kit
Nice 👍
Learning, learning, learning. Thanks for all the thought that goes into your videos 🤔🤔😍😍
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Really gets me thinking about getting a charger fitted, moving house in about a year and it could be a great selling point.
Yep. Very much so 👍
A fantastic video Pete which explained the installation and set up/useage in easy to understand terms, wall chargers have come a long way.
Thanks Gareth 👍
Great video thanks. Changing my std car charger for a zapi to make full use of our solar panels. Love how you cover both ICE and Ev content. 👊
I just love cars 👍
Octopus Agile has been on the expensive side over the last few months due to a lack of supply (several reactors have been offline), but Octopus Go is a fantastic alternative giving 5 hours at 5 pence per KWh for EV charging, with the rest priced just below 14 pence per KWh
Thanks for this 👍
Yes, there are people on the e-Niro owners facebook group who are getting £0.05/kWh. So a £2 overnight charge is a week of driving for most people.
Thanks Pete, a brilliant and informative video. As another commenter has said, we'll all need these sooner or later, so this is a very useful upload. I have a wind turbine micro generator here, so seeing how technologically great Zappi is, was a real eye-opener. Thanks again! 👍
Awesome 👏
@Jamie Davison it's an Evance 5kWh, but the Company dealing them in UK is now Britwind...here's a link for info.
www.sustainableenergysystems.co.uk/britwind-r9000-5kw/
Takes about 7-10 years to recover cost fully but you are getting some 'free' electricity during that time too. It's nice getting a healthy cheque in from the Supplier every quarter. The wind blows 24/7, unlike sunlight 😉. Good luck!
I’ve got a Zappie linked to solar and about to install battery storage as well. The Zappie also very cleverly disconnects the EV if there is a fault on the supply to your house. Otherwise your EV could be live with what appears the rest of your house disconnected!
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Useful information again as I fit out my new garage. No EV/Hybrid yet but maybe later in the year so seeing the installation was interesting. Stay safe! Richard😃😃😃
Good to future proof it 😜👍
I helped design and had a solar PV system installed that includes the Zappi's sibling product, the Eddi power diverter, which uses excess power generated to warm the hot water tank immersion in preference to export. It is a nice piece of kit and provides similar information to the Zappi to help you manage your energy consumption. I do hope you install a solar PV array as I was involved with microgeneration prior to retirement and I prefer solar to other technologies because of its passive nature.
*Speak English ! Worse than **_Call of Duty_** - have you got a ECD/GB/and a Ground Break.*
Thanks for being part of the zappi team.
If you could design the next level
Smart charger, what features would you add?
@@matthewtaylor3351 The ability to precisely set the charge rate in order to interface with solar production, which varies widely during the course of the year.
Hi Ped, I joined Octopus late last year and ordered a smart meter straight away. Nice chap came in February fitted new meters and gave me the home display to check what I was using. The gas part of the display worked straight away, it took about 3 weeks before the info was available to see on the website. The electric however was a different story. After waiting 2 weeks I emailed Octopus -nothing after 3 days. It's taken 4 phone calls, 6 emails and 10 weeks before both the website and display are now working. They still couldn't give any reason what the problem was. I'm hoping to change to Octopus go, but now I'm hoping it don't throw a spanner in the works. Just thought I would say that it may take a bit of time before the smart meters become - "Smart".
Great videos and content as usual, very envious of that Zappi charger.
Good choice!
The Zappi is #1 on my list for the ability to change charging priorities so I can use all my solar surplus and have the flexibility to change the priorities depending on whether I'm home all day or need to get a charge in a certain time regardless. That is the killer feature especially when you are exporting nearly 1000kW per quarter for a measly amount.
I am in Australia and the only concern I would have is how it would handle a hot day with the sun on it or would it need to be sheltered.
On the lock on the fuse panel, Any industry especially mining has very strict protocols on isolations including a clamp that everyone puts their lock on so it could have 5 or 6 locks on it. Not nice when someone turns on a 1000 Hp machine with someone inside it.
Really interesting..well done Pete and all involved..
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Another great video and more great content.
I’ll share it to a EV Driving Instructors group on Facebook, so many ADI’s are getting EV tuition vehicles, this will be of great interest I’m sure.
Great. Thanks 🙏🏻
Shared with my friend who’s brother has ordered a BMW I3 Sport and he’s now awaiting his own one of these after watching this and talking to them . Hopefully you also got a new subscriber !
Great video. And wow the number of chargers they are doing now is amazing
A great British success 👍
Very interesting video Pete....I’ve started to follow what’s needed as I guess we’ll have to go electric sooner rather than later. Cheers. Richard
Thanks Richard 👍
Just ordered my black tethered unit, solar panels, storage battery, Tesla M3 LR and in the process of the switch to Octopus Energy - like an 8 year old waiting for Christmas at present, roll on May
Very cool 😎
Cool tech. Just need that electric Porsche now for Mrs PP!
Must list my kidney on EBay 👍
Interesting video, Pete.
Two good lads for fitting it all, too.
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They were indeed 👍
What a fascinating and informative video Well done Pete. Now all you need is the MINI Cooper SE to plug in 👍
Thanks guys 🙏🏻
I've had my wall charger since 2017 so no intelligence to mine, but then I did get the Government subsidy. Cost me £150 but the electrician charge circa £750 supply and fit, government subsidy paid the difference. I did have a bit of paperwork to submit and had to give either the reg of the car or a copy of the new car order, just as you described. Great video, very informative
Thanks Dan 👍
Nice Install. I was on Octopus Agile but went to Go -Faster as Agile prices have not been great lately (wholesale prices have got higher). Go faster is a bit easier to deal with as straightforward.I now get 4 hours between 8:30pm and 12:30am at 5p/kWh and that means I can also do washing etc atthat time not just charge the car ;-) Agile was getting too expensive as the daytime rate was so much higher :( Might be worth a look as with Go-Faster you can choose (to a certain extent)the times you want the cheap period to be and also how long can have 3h for 4.5p or 5 hours for 5.5p so its very good! I may go back to agile in the future as it was a great idea to try to balance the load on the grid and reflect the carbon intensity with higher prices.
Pete this was a great video lots of information and shows you that there is more to electric cars
Thanks 👍
Just ordered 2 x 22kW units for home, great features.
Ahhh-hah! At last! Now do a week living with an EV, pleeeese! Always really good vids mate. Love it
I’ve done several of those. The most recent was with an Audi etron Sportback 👍
Getting Pv Solar and Zappi installed next month. Looking forward to playing with this kit..
Nice 👌
Great video! I have an Ohme charger which connects to the car and works out how much power it needs to reach target and starts at optimum price point..great tech!
Cool 😎
What a cracking video, from the electrical install to the commissioning of the unit. Think i will be getting a Zappi charger.
Thanks guys
Cheers Mike 👍
Id love an EV but 1 cost of the car ( Tesla) 2 I've only got communal parking or layby outside my house so having one of these chargers fitted and making owning an EV a dream I cant dam shame really. Really great video stay safe 😎😉👍
You know a lot of people have uploaded videos of them using different charge points (Charge Master, Shell, etc), and explaining how they charge their cars. It would brilliant if you could make a video diary of doing the same thing. It would sort of add to your already cool reviews that you have done.
My Zappi is getting fitted on Weds and collecting the Model 3 on the 15th. Exciting times :)
Awesome 👏
Zappis are great bit of kit. . I've got 2 EV's and solar. Had so much sunshine that I actually managed to fill both cars last weekend. Running cost for overnight charging on Octopus GO is £1.47 for about 100 miles of range. My business fuel costs have gone from £30 a week to about £2.
Wow 😳
That’s brilliant. With these savings, surely it will reduce the time it will take to get your money back from the solar panels? Most people say it takes 10-15 years to earn the money back from solar, but if the solar is charging your car, surely this time is slashed?
@@PetrolPed "fuel" cost update . .Done 5000 miles in my MG5 and it's cost £44 in electric so less than a penny a mile!!
@@neilmcknight9003 They've paid for themselves this spring. I bought them in 2013 and get about £700 feed in tariff payments a year. Typically now the government has slashed the FIT payments new solar buyers will only get their money back if they charge an EV during the day.
Having your own private fuel station in the garage is every bloke’s dream. You didn’t mention the output of yours? My Taycan 4S+ charges at 7,4kW. Strangely on the same equipment, the TMXP charges at 8,4kW and the TM3P at a whopping 10.4kW!! Not sure why my Taycan charges so “slow”. 0-100% takes about 13-14hrs (as charge drops in the end), but in general, one doesn’t park with an empty battery, and 7-8hrs is the usual charge time to reach 100% so I guess overnight “full tank” is OK.
Now you just got to get yourself a Taycan😉 The base RWD with the big battery goes a long way👌🏻
The Tesla 3 can do 1x32A (7.4kW) or 3x16A (11kW)
I've just changed from Agile to Go as Agile prices have been quite high for several months now... whereas with Octopus Go you are charged 5p per kwh between 12.30am and 4.30am which your Zappi can be set to. Once your smart meter is fitted you can change to Go immediately. Good luck👍
Great. Thanks for the info 👍
Such a great video ! Thank you for this ⚡️🙏🏼
My pleasure guys. Can’t wait to use it more. Charged my mates Model S on Sunday and it was great playing with my app 😜👍
I wanted the wallbox pulsar plus but couldn't find an olev installer and ended up with the Zappi. It is a really good charger and myenergi have great customer service too. Really glad I ended up getting one. One thing they could improve is allowing a timed charge greater than 8 hours. When I need to do an equalisation charge I could do with a longer time period.
Just set the Zappi to "Fast" without bothering with any timer in those instances. Set the start time on your car (if it allows it).
Unfortunately my car doesn't have a timer and my off peak starts at 00:30. I only need the longer timing for an equalisation charge which isn't very often.
That was really interesting. You didn't give a cost but I will have a look on their website. If I was buying a second hand electric or plug in hybrid I would need to get one so that has been most helpful. Thanks again.
Feel free to email sales@myenergi.com if you have any questions 😌
@@kennymay_sings Will do. Thanks
With the charger and cost of install, which can vary depending on cables needed etc it’s probably around £1000 👍
@@PetrolPed Thanks very much. It helps greatly knowing a company that can be trusted that comes on a recommendation that I trust as well. Not quite at the stage of purchasing yet but it's a near certainty that the next car will be at least a PHEV if not a full electric.
I think the "ZAPPI" rep look so Cool and professional with his" Base ball cap" turn around back to front !!!!! great advert for the company !!!!!
What do you expect...a suit and tie 🤔
I'm sure Octopus Energy will be offering this service in the near future another brilliant video I suppose it's great if you've got the space I'm loving forward to when and which car you and Mrs P are going to get I can see there's going to be a lot of EV press cars coming your way I've still not seen a EV car on the road or heard one 🤫😂
Agreed! In fact, having property like yours, It would be crazy not to have solar panels. I charge my EV car completely from the solar panels during the day. When full, the excess goes to the grid and I get a nice cheque quaterly.
Good afternoon pal. Very much liking the technology, very nice. 👍👍👍
Cheers buddy 👍
Great video, I've been searching for one that is this detailed so thank you for that.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Cracking upload & very informative. Learnt a lot 👍🏻
Thanks 👍
Cool stuff, my next car will be an EV so this was very interesting stuff! Looks like a great charger.
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Great video showing the prep required to put what is effectively a filling station in at home. I did something similar in early 2019 before getting the e-Niro here in France. We put a dedicated feed from the consumer unit into the barn where the car is parked, buried a 15 mm cable 600 mm underground ...bit of overkill you could say but my sparky wanted to be on the safe side. I don’t have anything so sophisticated as the Zappi, not sure they sell them here and as I’m retired I don’t need to charge faster than the ‘granny’ cable. I do have solar panels though and last year my 8 panels produced enough electricity for me to drive 15,000 km which was 85% of my driving. We have an ancient electro-mechanical meter that runs backwards when the sun is shining....So until the dreaded smart metering arrives we are running the car almost for free!
Great work Zappi 👍
Great video Ped, nice to unravel the mysteries of EV charging. I suspect the intricacies of tariffs and car to grid will be lost on a lot of people initially until it becomes the norm.
Probably 👍
There are very few EVs capable of car to grid so it's not much of an issue presently. (The drawback of car to grid is that you are cycling the battery more frequently ... and ultimately the life of the battery is measured in cycles ... so you are shortening its life. I'm not sure I want to do that with the most expensive component in an expensive car!)
13:21 *I have a **_Smart Meter_** it alerts me when my wife has left the Heater on **_again_** - have bought her a Tog24 Ski Jacket and saved ££££ on Energy - Go Green like Greta I tell her as she Shivers, The Lounge and Kitchen areas can be reduced on individual thermostats by as much as 5-10 degrees, before any risk of hypothermia set in, at which point to prevent any loss of limbs due to frostbite we go to bed with ONE HOT Water Bottle taken in turns of course, but sometimes find alternative means*
Interesting, I'm looking to go full electric for my next car this year. I'm just over in Horndean. Might give Kevin a call.
He is highly recommended. Let him know I sent you 😜👍
Great info - but such a different energy cost structure in the US! But this is really interesting for future planning for my property in N Ireland!
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I wold love that. Very cool.
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Hi Ped and not forgetting the Pups
Excellent content and very informative, well done. Interesting to see how much tec is incorporated in the installation. However when you mentioned the Smart Meter thus got my blood pressure up.I think the introduction of Smart Meters (Gen 1) has been the most disasterous roll out and financial scam we have been saddled with in years. Not Fit For Purpose and no one will be held accountable😬😬😬
Very true 👍
Really interesting video and anyone else thinking Pete’s ordered an electric car which will be revealed in a future video? 😉
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Next up solar panels and a MINI E for daily driving. 😁👍 Or a Tesla model 3 long range and a second charger at the holiday home in Cornwall (think it is) and your sorted. It’s addictive by the looks of it. Would love a Zappy and a EV but a few things need to fall in place either a dip in new EV price along with increased range as it wouldn’t be a second Car as I’d want to actually do road trips. Pity you missed out on that new Ioniq 5 it looks amazing, maybe get one to review when they actually have more than one in the U.K.👍
I emailed Hyundai yesterday😜😂
Hi I have the same unit it works great with my MG5 I charge it from my solar panels the zappi is a great bit of kit
Nice 👍
Am thinking about getting this but hear a lot of criticisms regards build quality and it not working as it should? Have solar panel and buying a Tesla.
I’ve a friend who is a sparky that sounds exactly like Kevin when doing a job.... I think sparkys are a bit like policemen when it comes to vocabulary & terminology. 😂
LOL 😂
We’re all just as pedantic too😉
Thanks Pete, very interesting video 👍😎
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Thank you for this vid, very informative and useful. Excellent tradesmen too.
My pleasure 👍
Solar would be a great move. Given time one imagines that the 'agile' tariff will change - it is all about when people are using electric - if everyone is charging cars at night (normally a low usage period) - will there still be a price advantage. I already have a Ground Source Heat Pump (installed in 2006) - this means I can't have an EV charger on our property (in the middle of nowhere!) as our power supply isn't big enough (We are limited to a 100 amps) - We also have a granny annex on site for my Mother in Law. Good Luck and will be interested to see developments.
the Zappi can limit its output based on usage to enable it not to exceed your maximum demand
interesting, especially for a Barnham resident who already uses Octopus Energy . I assume 1st test is going to be the Polestar test /week would be interested if the Polestar can play digital music from a USB stick. Last time I investigated it could not
Nope...something else coming before that 😜👍
Very cool install and top blokes they are 👍🏻🍻🇨🇦now for the Petrol Ped electric ⚡️ car purchase ?
Hi. Take care to do the analysis on the agile tariff as it’s not always as cheap as you’d like.
We’ve been on it for 10 months or so and initial savings were huge but we’ve paid more than our previous tariff for the last few months even being careful to avoid the peak hours.
Thanks for the heads up 👍
@@PetrolPed If/when you are on a smart meter you can download the Octopus Compare app. It analyses your actual previous usage and will give you exact costs of each Octopus tariff for your own pattern of use. Everybody's situation is different. (It's true that Agile has not actually been a good deal recently for many people .. over the past month I would have paid £18 more on Agile than on Go.)
Great video. I could view an 1h video of Kevin sorting the electric cables.
LOL 😂
Thanks for your video
Extremely well put together and very informative.
Thanks Trev 👍
Nice video. God help my in-laws with future electric cars, they struggle with pay at the pump 😅
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Another excellent video.
I must add. The two gentlemen in the garage were only social distancing at 1.575m - counting bricks). 🤔🤣
*Illegal CALL THE COPS*
*Cops Stated as no Door on the Garage no charges will be pursued against Ped*
That’ll do 😜😂
Great vid Ped. Very interesting 👍
Thanks Rob 👍
Really interesting video, thank you for sharing . I also wondered what the cost was (not that we have any EV plans). Lovely to see Darcy & Hallie Bob helping in return for treats 😊
With the install costs, which can vary quite a bit, it’s in the region of £1000 without the government subsidy 👍
@@PetrolPed thank you 😊
The Zappi is at the higher end of charge point prices. I have one ... and yes it's clever ... but most people will not require the facilities that it offers. All home charge points can charge at the same rate (unless you are in the 1% that have 3 phase electricity).
Very interesting video. A couple of issues I have. I hate the fact that some energy companies insist on the customer having a “smart” meter. Whilst they are not compulsory I will resist. The reason being, I often switch providers to get cheaper tariffs. Therefore, run the risk of the meter becoming a “dumb” meter. Yes, I know it’s less likely with the newer generation of meters! Secondly, my car is in an allocated space in a residential car park and I can see issues with a cable running across the footpath between the car & the house. Sorry, petrol still wins for me!
The smart meter issue has been sorted with the newer types. They really are essential if you want to take advantage of tariffs that give you cheap rates at different times of day/night. Some tariffs can have a different rate for each half hour segment of a 24 hour day! (Anyway, you've got a dumb meter already and seem to be happy with it!)
@@MrAdopado Whilst the risk remains I will still resist. So many stories of botched installation. Just to clarify, I’m on Economy 7 which virtually halves my unit rate at night which is when I use 80% of my power heating water & storage heaters (when required).
You need the right energy meter to do these off peak charging . Electricity suppliers can’t measure your usage with without smart meters. In most cases you do not get the cheapest energy tariff when you have the supplier install a new meter. The recoup that cost in charging more per kWh.
Well done 👍 PP
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You can still get the grant if you are leasing a plug in hybrid or full electric car 😊
Gotta love those doggy helpers!
So helpful 😂😂😂
Nice one another box ✅ well done pp 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Looking forward to more pure Mini EVs!
Well done very interesting brill vid
Thanks 👍
No more tripping fuses with unrolled extension cords!
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Zappi all the way with control over car charging, battery storage charging, hot water storage heating, control over charge rates, control over setting a maximum load do not to overload the main fuse, great App control, very neat unit and way of holding the 6.5m cable, no need for an earth spike and World Patented RCD DC and AC inbuilt protection without the need fir additional units. Over the air updates as well and British! Looks great and easy to keep clean. Move to Agile or easier Go or Go Faster tariffs with Octopus 🐙 and with Go works out at less than 1p per mile driving, every day/night!!
Well ... I would challenge you on the Zappi "over the air updates"! What a faff. That is the biggest negative of the Zappi owning experience IMHO. A true over the air update happens automatically without user intervention. With a Zappi you have to check that the software version on the Hub is up to date ... if not you have to press/hold/release appropriate button ... wait for download.... watch for colour change on LED. You then have to get the Hub to download the latest software for the Zappi itself by holding down the appropriate button on the Hub for x number of seconds then release ... the download can then take anything between a couple of minutes to half an hour ... watch for the change LED colours or flashing ... once that has been done you need to transfer the software from the Hub to the Zappi ... so you go to the Zappi itself and punch through about 5 different menus to get to where you tell it to download the new software from the Hub. Depending on the software version this can come in 2 downloads and takes several minutes ... after that the Zappi should restart. Job done but it's so complicated you have to go online to check the sequence each time you do it ... and they even changed the instructions. So, OTA updates are definitely more of a technical embarrassment than a selling point! Anyone who is not technically savvy would be totally lost.
Interesting install
Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
My pleasure 👍
I was looking at a Cooper SE until I saw an Autocar article saying Mini are bringing out an electric JCW later in the year or early next year which sounds very interesting.Thought that could even tempt you away from the Tesla Pete although I expect JCWs range will not be much better than the Cooper Se especially with the JCW dial set to maximum performance.
I am still waiting to see the electric mini pace car on Formula E.
Good podcast by Mrs Ped by the way.
Thanks Graham. I’ll let her know you enjoyed it 👍
Well that went pretty painlessly. Useful video 😎
Thanks 👍
That was really interesting/informative.
Thanks 👍
I’ve one of the original Mk1 Zappi’s along with a Harvi, Eddi, and hub. As I’ve also a Tesla Powerwall I find that the OctopusEnergy Go tariff is the best as on that I get four hours of energy at just 5 pence per kWh that’s enough even in the winter to charge my Powerwall which in turn runs the house. In my opinion the Agile tariff is best suited for those without battery back up or solar panels. You haven’t put your link to myenergi £50 discount ! Whoops 😬 should have said your OctopusEnergy £50 discount.
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I saw a video recently about EV usage in the USA, which responded to customer surveys concerning the tipping point for choosing EVs. In the video it suggested that the salient points were a guaranteed 320 miles and a price of $31000 max. The exchange rate puts that at £23800, and personally I would rather see close to 500 miles range, so I don't believe here in the UK that we are close to the tipping point yet. The price of the vehicle is going to be the biggest stumbling block, because we come back to the old argument about the variation in price depending on the country you are in.
I was wondering if anyone else would like to suggest their own particular price/range requirements before they would consider changing?
For new cars I am pretty confident those two criteria will never be hit 😢
Great video well done 👍 ✅
Thanks 👍
Evening everyone.
Hi 👋
Hi mate 🙋♂️
Good video and well done for planning ahead, I must admit even I’d thought about connecting solar panels to a storage capacitor and tying in a charger, but the “Luddite” in me is still not ready to give up the ICE for a few years yet! I still like my S3, MX5 and FH4.
PS Will you be changing the channel name to “Electric Ped” or even “Smart Peter”!? 😉
No change planned as yet 😜
How much did it cost? It'd be helpful to know the price of each individual component required, and the installation time and cost.
The install cost can vary a lot depending on what cabling is needed etc. Average cost of charger and instal would be about £1000 not including any government subsidy 👍
@@PetrolPed £1000 buys a lot of fuel! Another barrier to mass EV uptake/adoption 🤨
@@markcole1473 - There are cheaper EV chargers available. My PodPoint was £500 after the grant.
Really interesting. Having 3 phase put on here so more ability to fast charge and feed in from panels. Big resistance to stuff being controlled by hubs and apps however. Two automatic skylight window systems here, the hard wired ones have been no bother for 10+ years, the second hub / app ones a PITA to set up and work reliably, just like the app controlled Bilsteins I had on an Aston once, just give me a flipping switch.
Very informative
Thanks 👍
Good one! Do you need 3 phase installed for this to work? Does it cater for all EVs?
The Zappi will work on both single and three phase, and does most EV's on the market so long as they've got a Type 2 socket
If you have the untethered zappi you can charge a type 1 and a type 2 EV 😌
No 3 phase needed for this. It will charge at 7kw/h. If you had 3 phase that would increase to 22 👍
@@PetrolPed For clarity ... it's a different Zappi model that has to be installed for 3 phase. And very few EVs are capable of taking advantage of that 22kW. Even a Tesla Model 3 maxes out at 11kW on AC charging. Still a useful increase in speed if you have the option (and if charging multiple vehicles).
To say that Octopus or for that matter any energy supplier is “Green because they get all their energy from Green Sources” is a complete distortion of the reality. ALL of the energy that individual suppliers sell comes from the National Grid so it depends how that is divided at the point of delivery, Coal and Nuclear are still heavily weighted in the mix. At various times there is a bias towards ‘renewables’ but there is no 100% all year supply from these sources by any supplier.
Great video !! Interesting
Thanks and great to hear 👍
Is the back of the barn south facing as my house is if it is south facing then your solars panels will be in the sunshine the most of the day usually 8-12 hours
It would certainly get a lot of sun 👍