Prince of Persia for Wii | Secretly One of the Best
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2023
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If there’s another Wii exclusive movie tie-in game that’s extremely underrated, it’s The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces. It’s made by the Ace Combat devs and based on an anime film, and I’d love to see a retrospective on it. It’s such a unique experience.
Don't know why you said another when this isn't a movie tie-in game in the first place.
Speed Racer on Wii and PS2 is also a great underappreciated game that came from a movie...
this isn't a movie tie in you goof
Thanks for the clue, looks like Ace Combat with WW2 plane which is awesome
awesome recommendation! never heard of it before and looks so much better than most Wii flight games i've tried
Thanks for the review! I was a level designer on this game back in 2010 and we really gave it our all! :)
Well, have some personal thanks from me as well - the level design was truly excellent on that game! Im a particular fan of the Green Trial and the Super Prince of Galaxy level.
@@SirMisterMr I designed that level! :D Very glad how it turned out in the end but I was young and dumb you couldn't imagine the amount of trouble that level gave to the programmers, haha! There was even more insanity we had to cut lol.
You helped make that game? I LOVE that game! You could tell it was built from the ground up with the Wii hardware in mind, and you really wanted to create a unique experience. The visuals were well done as well, including the lighting and the detail of the architecture. And I thought the combat was deeper than it needed to be.
ofc you did
Thanks for the good memories
“The Forgotten Sands” was FOUR different games released on the same day with the same title and cover, and somehow THREE are legit great. Alas, the DS one also exists…. but the PSP title is another keeper worth your time.
Jon really is one of the best creators out there. Obscure titles, neat tidbits I never would have thought to delve into otherwise. Thank you Jon!
I love this random videos about unpopular or forgoten games from all gens. Keep it up Jon!
Forgotten Sands is one of the Wii's best games imo. Super underrated.
I love these videos on hidden gems from older gens, please keep doing them! 😊
Not enough people know about this game. I played the Wii and PS3 versions and the Wii game was definitely the better one. I'm looking forward to the new game. I hope it brings the franchise back to life.
I hear those Rayman 2 soundtracks throughout the video. Starting with what i believe is the Woods of Light, and then the fantastic sneaking music. Here's to hoping that limbless lad gets more attention and good games in the future-- and that Ubisoft as a whole can clean up its act, for both customers and people that work there.
Very much appreciate and respect the quick yet decently in-depth look in the PoP series as a whole, and you've got quite a pleasant voice and good script to tell it all.
Probably one of the best videos that looked at PoP Wii in general. The platforming mechanics here with making your own hooks and the gusts of wind sound very unique, it's... almost kind of like a customizable platforming track. Instead of a characters innate abilities (like a double jump or a glide), it's an external mechanic that is still directly player-controlled.
Very interesting, and I wonder how difficult such a thing would be to implement for other games to take inspiration from PoP Wii
I'd argue that the PoP series is actually quite good in combat, but i can only speak for the Sands of Time trilogy and i'm not even an expert. I will say that I think Warrior Within is probably peak of combat in the entire series, for how the Prince's mobility is directly tied into his combat style.
Yes, there's a number of different combo strings as most hack-and-slash or character action games do, but though he is not superhuman, the Prince still has many mobility options that can flow *into* further combat moves.
Stuff like running up or into walls to then jump at the enemy, over the enemy, and slash, kick or grab them, simply somersault over them, throw a secondary weapon to stun or deal extra damage without endangering yourself but depriving yourself of the dual weapon moveset while returning to a moveset that allows grabs... lots of ways to deal with the enemies, which i think is very cool.
There's not many, if any, other games that i can think of that have interwoven combat with platforming this deeply. A game that I think is somewhat similar goes by name of Kya: Dark Lineage. An obscure, also-French-made PS2 exclusive that looks like Rayman's cousin in terms of art direction, but with a rather in-depth combat system like a 3D fighter.
No weapons, but there are various combo moves, from punches and uppercuts, to punch/kick mixups,to a variety of different kicks (leg sweep, push kick, double backflip kick, quick low double kick, kick from a jump and groin kick). And positioning gets emphasized as enemies learn what moves you use the most.
So you got to bypass their defenses by sidesteps, jumpovers, or jumping *onto* enemies to run them into their friends. Or grab them by their tails to use them as meatshields or spin them around against incoming enemies.
Main character is a human, so she isn't the most impressive in terms of abilities. But the game does*have many different forms of platforming throughout: Sliding down boards, skydiving and gliding through updrafts while avoiding obstacles, and riding some vaguely raptor-like animals that have varieties that either jump well or run well (and you can even stand on their back, jump onto a parallel-moving platform, and the animal will keep moving along). Got its jank, but deserves more attention.
That all aside, thank you for taking the time to make this video, you got me interested to check out the channel itself. I wish you a good rest of your day, as well as fun on the Rayman DLC! May it bring fun and be a good omen.
Thank you for shining a light on this game. I played through it when it released, and I still think about it till this day. It's my bestest PoP
This is such an underrated masterpiece that it hurts. The Challenge of Humility has got to be one of the best if not the best segment in a 3D platformer.
11:45 is Jon’s Fire Emblem crit quote if he was a unit
Maybe I was just an angsty teen but Warrior Within is still 1 of my most beloved games ever!
Same for me! Maybe it's because I got the whole trilogy on a single DVD, so I had a chance to try WW and T2T at the same time.
The combat alone was what made a huge difference. After WW, SoT felt like an inferior older game to me.
Also was a teen! Perhaps not angsty enough though, because I found the overly-aggressive metal soundtrack completely out-of-place in WW, and would greatly prefer something more Middle Eastern sounding, like in two other games.
I don't think i've ever encountered a game that mixes movement so deeply with the combat. By way of the wall runs/jumps that could lead into slashes, leg sweeps, grabs, and weapon throws, i mean. And also simply jumping over enemies to reposition oneself.
I guess perhaps the original Ratchet and Clank as well as Rayman 3, since avoiding while shooting also has you jumping and running to be succesful. But either way, would love to see more games with combat like Warrior Within.
I did recently play this version of Forgotten Sands. For some reason, the HD version completely changed the prince's face but the Wii version kept it. it is a bit of a waggle fest combat wise but it does have good puzzles like the HD versions.
Oh wow, is it not the same game as ps3 version?
@@symboltherapper No, back in the 360/wii era, they actually just made completely different games for different console versions.
It amazes me how Jon continues finds these left field topics for his videos that are always very interesting
Really like your videos on overlooked things like this. Keep them up.
13:44 "PROTIP: To defeat the Cyberdemon, shoot at it until it dies."
The Wii got a reputation for shovelware when really it's full of amazing classics, hidden gems, and unique versions of games released on other platforms while providing one of the coolest UIs and virtual console experiences.
Mushroom Men: The Spore Wars and Deadly Creatures would come to mind for me in terms of unique and hidden or lesser-known games. Pandora's Tower as well.
@@jurtheorc8117 wow cool!
Can I just say your opening animation is Amazing. Super alive and exciting !
I'd never even heard of this one, I'll pick it up at the retro store by my house. Thanks for the rec!
I've managed to get it dirt cheap recently while I was going for the 3 DS games. It's on my list to eventually play. I'm glad it's fun and unique
Glad you brought attention to this game! Played it for the first time a few years ago and loved it!
Just wanna say it's been awesome seeing you back in the office lately with your awesome game collection backdrop 😊 (I've never played any Prince of Persia games so I have nothing to add for that BUT I did play the 2007 TMNT movie game on Wii and I could tell that heavily leaned into the Prince of Persia series at points)
It's funny how you can always know if it's a Jon video by just reading the title and finding out about the topic 😅
A great retro throw back vid, me limey! Do more of these!
I only really managed to get into Warrior Within, and that was because I was in a rock phase at the time. I literally played it for the Godsmack song on repeat!
Great video. I would have never looked into this game otherwise. I would love to see what other Wii hidden gems you have in mind, especially for T and M rated games.
Oh my god, John, thank you for doing this video. I'm a huge PoP fan and somehow, I had never heard of this cool looking game. I had only ever played the HD version.
11:24 video game-y arenas? IN A VIDEO GAME?! YOU DON'T SAY!!!!
That's honestly looking super rad.
And funny enough, I did buy this in a huge chunk of Wii games 5-6 years ago.. and I havnt even bothered trying it out.
In to the list it goes! (some time next year)
Great video!
In terms of Wii games, Mushroom Men: The Spore Wars and Deadly Creatures may also be interesting to check out. Perhaps Pandora's Tower and Death Jr: The Root of Evil, too.
Man, I remember playing price of Persia on the wii at my grandma's house every day after school when I was in second grade.
The "Sands" trilogy is one of the best gaming had to offer. I wish, in this life time, they're going to release another one to continue that story ...
Totally agree. I've been wating for a sequel to the Two Thrones since 2007
I have always spoken about how much I love this version of the game. I don't think anyone ever cared but I'm really glad you've given it some love here :)
You have the Steve Jobs sharp eyes in the thumbnail! My favorite Prince game is Prince of Persia 1 on the NEC PC98. Arsys Software really added character to the game.
Awww man!! I played the psp one and thought they were all the same! Thx for making me realize I missed out
Finally, the Wii game gets the respect it deserves! Love it!
This one is a real hidden gem! Definitely would say it's better than the forgotten sands we got on main consoles and PC
Jon may not be willing to declare this as the best PoP game, but I 100% am! The way you have to string together the Wii version's unique traversal abilities places its platforming gameplay head and shoulders above the rest of the series. The combat wasn't amazing but it wasn't bad either and I felt the motion controls actually worked to its benefit and gave it quite a bit of depth. It looks fantastic as well and the 60 fps really elevates its look and feel. I rate it ahead of SoT (which is obviously the second best in the series) by a fairly comfortable margin.
First this seemed RAD until I realized that it was actually RAD AS FLIP
I'VE BEEN TELLING EVERYONE THIS FOR YEARS! The same goes for Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2 on the Wii
This game pleasantly surprised me when it was released. I didn't expect it to be as good as it was.
Nice!
I remeber hearing something about Tomb Raider Legends having more levels too than the X360/PS3 versions because of time limitations on those versions.
I sometimes like how Wii games look over their HD console counterparts, because those early lighting engines and AA looks very dated now, while Wii games looks like any NGC or PS2 game.
Just bought this based on your review, and now my 6yo is creating memories.
Thats super wholesome.
Hell yeah!! Nobody talks about this game but it was so fun
That ending though 😂 “France” 😂😂😂
Another hidden gem on Wii is Conduit 2. It's easily the best shooter on the console (not counting Metroid,) and really pushed the Wii to its limits in a way no other game did.
Holy crap I had no idea This looks amazing and what a great use of wii remote as well. I will totaly instal this onkmy Wii and play it now
Looks really fun I'll probably pick it up before going into the new one on switch. I'm always a fan of wii games that really take advantage of the wiimotes features in meaningful ways.
This reminds me of the Speed Racer movie tie in game for Wii. Just a tie in on the surface, but actually a pretty in depth F-zero type racer.
I bought this after the movie came out, loved the movie and thought that I needed to buy a prince of Persia game and of course this was the one for the wii and I simply couldn't stop playing it. Eventually my wii stopped working and forgot about it and now I'm replaying it trying to get everything and now everything about this game :D
There's also a PC Prince of Persia 3D that nobody remembers that precedes The Sands of Time games. It's actually similar to the original Tomb Raider games in terms of gameplay. I quite liked it, but it's also very hard.
I'm 21 now, but when I was about 11 I was browsing for random cheap Wii games in Cex (basically the UK equivalent of GameStop) as you do. Found Prince of Persia: Rival Swords, which like you just said is Two Thrones but renamed for the Wii (and PSP I think?). I got addicted very quickly, was too young to care about the dated visuals etc and was having a blast with the input timing combat and parkour, plus I'm half middle eastern so it was cool to see a game with an Arabian setting at the time.forgotten
I actually have a copy of this game on Wii that I picked up cheap back in 2019 or so and haven't tried yet. Now I really ought to!
My history with the PoP series is a bit odd, I remember reading about Sands of Time in Nintendo Power back in the day and thinking it was so cool looking, but never got to play it. Then when I got a PS3 (my family wanted a Blu-ray player and figured the games could be neat too) one of the games we got for it fairly early was PoP '08. So that was my first entry in the series. And while it has some faults I really enjoyed it. I didn't mind the "not dying" mechanic, since it felt like just a streamlining of things - I was already gonna try again if I fell. It was a fairly easy game (aside from that one trophy locked behind a broken combo system, that can die in a fire) but I don't mind that really. The main issues were non-boss combat encounters being bland and somehow both too easy and too hard at the same time, and the giant middle finger thar was the ending. (I know the DLC epilogue explains it somewhat, but I never played it, and since there was never a sequel it's still just kinda left hanging even with the epilogue.) But overall, I honestly have a lot of fond memories of that game. Then much later I finally get to play Sands of Time (unfortunately on the kinda janky PS3 port), and... In some ways I can see it's a better game but it has definitely not aged the greatest in some ways. I still enjoyed it but it was pretty buggy and the combat was more involved than '08's, but somehow more frustrating for it to me. Maybe I just needed to learn it better. But in some ways Forgotten Sands Wii seems like a good middle ground between the two. I like both games for what they are, and this one looks like an excellent addition to the series. Thanks for the recommendation!
As a random person on the internet, i wish you a lot of fun on any future ventures into the Prince of Persia series. There's a lot to discover and experience.
I used to spend HOURS on THIS game it was my absolute favourite I had on the wii
Picked this up for a literal quid at cex 2 weeks ago and yet to boot it up. Might have to now
Awesome, never heard of this version of the game!
As a dev, always glad for people discovering it. :)
now im sad i didnt play that version of the game when i could in 2010. my friend bought it for my wii but we never had the time to try.
I've never played the Prince of Persia series, but I think this looks cool. I also understand why so many people were disappointed about the new game that was recently revealed. I also had no idea that Assassin's Creed started out as a Prince of Persia game.
the third game in the Sands of Time trilogy, The Two Thrones, has a bit more emphasis on stealth, with QTEs for stealth takedowns. I think you can kind of see the first beats of the basis for Assassin's Creed series there.
They could get quite nasty, especially as the Dark Prince. Hanging upside-down from a rafter and using the daggertail (a blade chain weapon with the links looking like flying bird silhouettes) as a strangulation cord is the one i most prominently remember.
I own this game, but I actually haven't played it yet. Looks like I gotta try it out!
Loved Forgotten sands, still one of my favourites along with the 2008 entry.
I "binged" Sands of Time through Forgotten Sands a couple years ago and I 100% agree. Wii version>HD version. Sooo much fun with the remote hooks and bubbles.
Digging the Mormon Missionary vibes from that outfit. 🤣
Had no idea about this version, just bought it from CeX because of this vid! Thank you for broadening my horizons! 😁
I'll have to pick this one up. I remember thinking the prince of persia 3 game on wii had one of my favourite usage of motion controls - not the weird shake to fight thing which was just a bad as you'd expect, but the tilt to control camera. Thinking back now I'm not sure why I liked it; there doesn't seem to be any reason it should be better than just using a thumbstick. But for whatever reason I found it felt really good
True!
Yeah I remember how this game and The Force Unleashed 2 were pretty much the only multiplatform games were the Wii version were considered better than the others.
also Sonic Unleashed
I completely and utterly forgot these games existed... Might give the Wii version a go if I ever revisit the series, seems fun enough.
I always wondered why the Prince of Persia series never had a load of games in the modern era. I always remembered it being one of the most iconic retro games, but I guess I never bothered enough to find out that Assassin's Creed supplanted it.
When did PS2-PS3 eras became retro? Am I that old?
@@AGTS10k Yep, although it probably doesn't feel that way because there have been a lot of remasters, rereleases, and remakes the past three generations starting with the PS3/360/Wii. Also, since the PS2/GCN/Xbox generation, eras have just kind of blended together because of cross-platform/generational releases.
@@nikopierrot Interesting, because to me the PS2 and PS3 eras were very distinct, as the PS3 era brought true HD, detailed lighting/shadows and much more realistic shader effects, as well as more detailed open-world games, plus indie games revolution.
What was blurry for me is the transition from the PS3 to PS4, and to a lesser extent, PS5: the graphical uplift was less revolutional but more evolutional, and games themselves haven't changed much, plus PS4 and XOne were the first consoles to not outshine the contemporary PCs in graphics and widely regarded as underpowered (especially the VCR Xbox).
The thing is, Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness is still very good despite its flaws. There’s a reason it’s still getting fan patches and TRAOD Restored mod updates to this day, and even a novelisation by fan voice of Lara. Also, the Sands of Time trilogy’s Xbox versions are better than the PS2 ones.
Hey Jon, thank you for this video!
I would love to hear what you think about The Lost Crown!
Move videos like this, love it
what i liked about Ubisoft was they weren't afraid to experiment with the controllers PoP, Reyman, ZombiU
BTW Whats Prince of Persia: Rival Swords like on the Wii?
We came for the Jontent, we got that and Prince of Persia
I came into this video a little cynically thinking this would be like a Sonic Unleashed situation where people swear by the Wii version but I just don't agree with the notion that it's better than the PS3/360 version... but no, this was actually really awesome to see, this genuinely looks like a fun game that gets what made Sands of Time fun and sets out for that goal far better than the HD version of the game does.
Yeah Rayman and Beyond good and evil are some of my childhood favourites😀
And thanks for reminding me of Prince of Persia 2008 that was fun to play andmended with a Cliffhanger....😑😆
I have a feeling the Forgotten sands was meant to be a Wii exclusive cause if u look at promos for the game the devs exclusively talk about the Wii version and some people me included have theorized that Forgotten sands it’s a prequel to Warrior Within if u play the game the ending makes sorta no sense but once u put a two and two together and if u played warrior within u remember why the Dahaka it’s chasing u can sorta make a connection between both games
I already had Mario + Rabbids 2 but I bought the Rayman dlc day one. It's so good!
PoP 2008 is a guilty pleasure of mine.
4:18 I think what you MEANT to say, is that Forgotten Sands HD is a freakin GREAT game! Sure it is more or less Sands of Time 2.0, but Twilight Princess was also just Ocarina 2.0.
This looks better than a lot of PS4 games
This does not look as good as alot of ps4 games, what crack did you stuff in your pipe.
oh hey, they actually gave the Prince his clear blue eyes Farah comments on if you stare at her! :O
YES JON
Might genuinely pick this up next time I'm in cex
I was always so mad that they focused on Assassins Creed instead of PoP. Part of why I was so critical of the remake's graphics is because I thought FINALLY, a PoP with Assassins Creed visuals! Then lol
The Prince of Persia on GBA is great it's worth giving a try.
I've not finished yet but I'm already It.
Ahh the times when any new title will have a separate uniquely developed version for the Wii. Those were better than shoddy ports of today's games.
Coincidentally I picked up Forgotten Sands for the Wii (and the 2008 PoP reboot on the 360) at a thrift store sale a few weeks back and have been playing Forgotten Sands when I found this video. *I havent actually played a PoP game since Sands Of Time.
I don't know about the HD versions, but be forewarned, I consider myself a seasoned gamer and found that the Wii game gets ridiculously challenging, especially near the end of the game when you have to combine all your abilities to traverse the environment.
I think that perhaps this game is more difficult than it has any right to be.
I agree with GVG when he said that the combat isn't great. The whole game can be a bit on the wonky side to be honest, from the combat to the platforming.
I for one am thankful that the game draws a guide line from platform to platform because all too often it can become nearly impossible to gauge your positioning. So any help to compensate for imprecise mechanics is a welcome and almost necessary addition.
Well...I must have some sort of sixth sense about good games or something like that, because I actually did pick this game up not too long ago. I just looked at it, and also saw that it has the original Prince Of Persia, and I somehow knew to get it. So I'm quite glad to see a vid on this specific game being good. I'll have to get to it.
Got it for $5 a long time ago and still haven't played it lol
Thanks for giving me my next game to play in my backlog
Tomb Raider didn't sit the PS2 generation out though :/ Legend and Anniversary were both built and released for consoles of that generation too
Yes Jon it is a good game/version it feels like the old days of surprises of hardware/controller focus it's great. Ah unique versions due to hardware. Miss those days. Now it's if you get Switch gyro or not.
The hooks are great it may be within range it's great. At what it can do though. Some jumps are awkward sometimes.
The Wii is great but the gems are all worth it. :) I was blown away when I picked it up off the shelf and still am even if need to finish it.
2008 I get lost.
It uses the Wii so well like Red Steel 2 but cursor then just buttons. Imagine it on PC.
It does halt but yeah. The hints are not good at all.
But yeah not just PSP/Wii same. Not played the PS3/360 version but the Wii one was interesting. Surprised by Two Thrones even. 2008 reboot was alright. Ah the others hmm.
The face not animationg was funny.
Yeah I missed the game at the waterfall, then tried again in a new save and yeah it interesting.
It's not perfect, sound or combat but yeah it does the job. It can be awkward to beat some enemies.
I hoped the boss battles weren't awkward but they were alright surprisingly to learn.
The door puzzles and rotation yep it's a joke.
The second half is good not finished it but open to.
Many modern games don't care to be with small touches of dust, clothes moving, destroying buildings unless it's scripted it's boring these days in gaming
But I mean Red Steel, Rayman and Prince of Persia all Ubisoft games I love not their modern stuff.
I don't care for Rabbids, or Mario other than oh is it maybe a fair tactics game who knows. Rayman is hostage behind a DLC thanks Ubisoft your Splinter Cell trick on Rayman you can't be serious.
Like Ratchet Rift Apart your developer message is lost on me and you lose you publishers Ubisoft and Sony. You lost my respect and your PS5 use case sucked it didn't evolve and I want you to feel bad for making a safe game. Same with Starfield what a piece of loading screens and budget wasted yet No Man's Sky an Indie goes yeah we know how to do that and be a survival game not a space RPG with 7th gen feel. Change your engine and actually make a good video game that feel gameplay wise 9th gen because I haven't seen it and all modern games are trash graphics and story only wasted of space/time of our money and just doing nothing new.
I see Prince of Persia Content, I click.
I remember hearing that this game was actually pretty good, but I never played it and can't remember why now
Nice video but I stopped at 09:00 due to the spoilers. I bought the game from CEX for £1.50 last month and will play soon. Will rewatch when I'm done.
I havent play some of these titles. But for me the best price of persia gem that i had ever experienced was Prince of Persia the snes version.
How can someone that look like this have such a baritone voice?!
If you have both a kingdom and a princess she's your daughter.
Amazing vide🎉
Good vid. Weak combat seems perfectly in line with Sands of Time.
I feel like this same kind of dynamic happened with Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, with the Wii version (and the PS2 and PSP versions, by proxy) is way better than the HD and DS counterparts.