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Rich Paul On Who Really Holds The Power In The NBA
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2023
- We are so psyched to welcome in Rich Paul on The Old Man and The Three. We get into so much with him so be sure to listen to the full ep tomorrow morning. In this clip, Rich and JJ discuss player empowerment in The NBA and who really holds that power. We published this today because we thought it was especially relevant given the James Harden, Daryl Morey, Philadelphia 76ers story. We also talk about how LeBron James and Stephen Curry are the true power holders.
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80$ for a sweater JJ come on
Where’s the love ❤️ for your Urban viewers
@@BlueRibbxnlol smh
U re doing a great job jj
We re loving your podcast from Africa 🌍
drop the whole interview yall act this is Tv with these teasers. this why I'm not subscribed and why Gil's arena has eclipsed this pod
Man’s really mastered the art of talking without saying anything at all
or maybe you havent mastered the art of listening to the answer within the answer. im out
Right! Can’t believe they all want him to come out and directly say controversial stuff. We can understand what he was saying.
Sounds like you're used to being spoon-fed information
well hes an agent after all
So you dont think Ego is a problem for Ben Simmons, Harden, Kyrie? You dont think players have less power than they think they have (Harden, Melo, IT)? You think he is wrong about being professional, having the right attitude and playing at a high level give you more power with the owners?
Watched Rich on Gil's Arena and I'm noticing a pattern - he seems to answer questions in such nebulous terms that it leaves you kind of still in the dark . Can't say this clip has brought anymore insight into power dynamics in the NBA.
Yeah he's got that Dame Dash style, kinda. The questions are just a prop for them to talk about whatever they want to talk about...similar to politicians
Idk why but my BS meter (lack of a better term because they're not actually BS'ing or anything) goes orange-ish every time I listen to these guys. Can't quite put my finger on why I feel that way though...maybe I'm projecting, idk.
Man loves to hear himself speak but still ends up saying a whole lot of nothing.
Took me exactly 15 seconds of listening to him for the first time right now to realize this. It's hard to knock though, he faked it till he made it and this bs way of bsing has clearly led to immense success for himself and his clients. Intelligence in his role is less valuable than savvy talking and being a good salesman. So why change? Why start being genuine now? 😂😂
I don't think any agent is likely to profess that player's hold the balance of power - the owner's will contest and fight back and use it as leverage against that bias. Similarly if he was to suggest the owners / front office are at the wheel, how is he able to hold court? He's admitting to being soft. Asking an agent where the power balance currently lies cannot elicit a profound response because it can only damage their position broadly; I don't think you could expect to hear anything profound from Rich Paul personally, but if his approach is player-centric and sincerely acting as a player's voice you can see why a player would appreciate it..
He's SO annoying. Clearly just likes to hear himself talk and doesn't actually care about responding to what the other person is saying. I keep waiting for him to say something that actually makes me think but it's all just non sense. Dude is a sham
Ill sit and get lied to for 10 minutes but only for you JJ!
But if watched any major network over anytime in life you got lied to for much more than 10 mins.
And if you know what you’re listening to then you would know he’s not lying. But you’re not there yet buddy
@@02nupe You live, you learn, then you cut that crap out your life. If you continue eating dog poo that's on you.
@@Obiamajoyisrmd 🎯
😭
This is good, JJ should interview more behind the scenes people like agents and executives and referees and people who are in charge of broadcasting or people who run the arenas
I agree
Agreed but I have a feeling active refs can't do media appearances.
Most of the time these "interviews" are just a waste, the backstage people will not simply reveal their stuff
Yes!!! JJ is too good at what he does!! 🔥🔥
@@RRRRRRRRR33literally never seen an interview from anyone like that so how would you even know
"Comparison is the thief of joy" . That sure is true.
He said that again?🥴🙄
If that's the case, why does RP push the narrative that his client is better than MJ as the GOAT? 🤔..... MJ chooses not to engage the debate (and let his accomplishments (and the reverence from professionals and others) speak for themselves....rightfully so)....let "joy" come from the massive accomplishments from both players and how both furthered the league in their own fashion....
one of the oldest in the book
teddy roosevelt said it first
Negative perception of comparison is the thief of joy. #fixed
Hmmm, usually I really enjoy the podcasts and pretty much always find the speakers really interesting/enlightening. I was super excited to see one with Rich Paul, but I have to say, this is probably the first one where I've felt...underwhelmed? Maybe it's just this particular segment of the full podcast, but Rich comes across like he's saying a lot of nothing. It could just be his speaking style, or that he seems to be very carefully picking his words, but it just doesn't feel like a genuine answer.
All he said here was really "most players dont have power, some go for the money and think they have power, Lebron/Steph and maybe a very small handful of others have actual power". I have to say, it would've been interesting to hear him unpack what power in the NBA actually means, or what a player can do with that power? It could've been interesting to hear him talk about power dynamics from owners to coaches to big fish agents to powerful players, etc. This just felt like a bit of a wasted opportunity to have a much more interesting discussion with an extremely unique and valuable voice of the league, but we got a generic answer that anyone could've given. Again, perhaps the full podcast with Rich is more substantial, but man, this one didn't feel like it hit the same bar/standard that these podcasts usually have.
Totally, he says a lot of words that get nowhere lol
he's the ultimate salesman, a lot of words without any substance
He speaks like a politician and seems to be a great professional (and business man).
I like his poise. He just can't be as genuine as a player cause he got too many confidential interests to protect (including it's own).
He is one of the "power" in the nba.
Can t wait to hear more.
@@matvondjedidovic3575except this is basketball.... Stop munching RPs meat
He won’t give u an honest answer because none of these players have powers, rich paul doesn’t have power, and the owner doesn’t have power. The NBA is scripted entertainment and is run by a secret society.
Rich talks like he’s trying to reach a word count on an essay 😭😂😂😂
Udonis Haslem is the perfect example of the play, professionalism and approach. Of course ovet the years his play was clearly depleted but he was given as much power as anyone in that locker room. Empowerment is earned not given. 20 years playing and that's because he set the culture!
Wrong. UD was being selfish and collecting a paycheck. He was easily the worst player in the league the past couple years and he was selfishly preventing a young player from making the team and advancing his career. UD sucks! End of story.
@@kyle3860 trash take... explains why the Grizzlies just spent the whole off-season looking for VETS. just say you a hater. UD was teaching young boys how to be men and grow in the NBA. Your take is egregious
@@Actlikemjsmithno it’s not Lmao. The grizz got vets that actually play, like smart, who’s still a major contributer. UD wouldn’t even dominate in college basketball right now, or the past 2-3 years he would have been tormented. He’s horrific and you’re just a UD glazer
Sometimes I feel like in these discussions we forget the NBA is an entertainment product for FANS, yet the fans experience is consistently the least represented by anyone.
Ehh. It's really at the heart of it all a business for the NBA executives and each individual franchise. Your entertainment is just a way to earn revenue. Not the ACTUAL priority. If you're a lil unhappy but still watching the same why would they wanna change and possibly lose some profit?
No, the nba is a sport first and foremost, lakers in the 80’s were the pioneers of making it for the fans but at the end of the day it’s a competitive sport now it’s just advertised very well
Oh I thought it was an entertainment business? What are you saying@@ShannonJame
The reason they don't call fouls on superstars is for your entertainment. Entertaining fans is what has eliminated the fair competition aspect from the sport.
They through us an All Star vote, never forget your vote probably does not matter.
Cant wait to see the whole podcast
Not a chance these answers are genuine. RP has way too much to protect. It was interesting anyway.
I think he’s being pretty candid here. He has too much money and influence to truly care about people’s feelings.
@@saiid353Maybe. But it's the power and influence that he must protect, which is what I mean. It's probably not all false, but also not all true.
@@dcolum23lol rich Paul just shouldn't say anything on any pod because dcolum23 doesn't think so good to know 👍👍
@@saiid353lol there is no such thing as too much money. He’s a businessman I agree with @dcolum23. To believe he is candid because he has too much money is kinda naive
@@he4tl1f3r2 gold medal in mental gymnastics with that comment lol
Rich is leaving no stone unturned on his podcast interview circuit. I'm guessing he's got a book recently or about to be published? If not that, he's just riding the podcast feedback loop to boost his prestige and grow his market. (Once you get on 1 big podcast the other big podcasts all want you for recommendation engine optimization.)
Yea it’s cuz of his book just came out “lucky me”
he has a book
Where were you Rich when I needed someone to help negotiate my raise at my 9-5 job? Exactly! Man, you ain't real😂😂
Being named Rich, he was destined for this
As the Black Eyed Peas once said “the beat keep runnin runnin and runnin runnin and runnin runnin” from an honest answer
If this is what the whole episode is like then it would not be worth somebody's time to give it a listen
And no hate to Rich Paul. He's just got a lot of friends so he's got to choose his words extremely carefully, here he's speaking a lot of words but not saying anything
He's just a bs salesman through and through 😂
Wow what a nuanced response. No wonder this dude is such a king maker and dominates his field.
😂
Lol look up definition of nuance first and come back
Lmao this was word salad
@@ratchet44455 Maybe if your brain is a raisin.
@@ratchet44455 adding word salad to my vocab
JJ Redick the GOAT in Podcasting and Rich Paul the GOAT of sports agency. Love this!
cant wait for the full episode
Players asking out makes the game more fun for the fans as the offseason has more drama.
But local media and social media are pushing it hard negatively
Those 1+1 or 2+1 deals were crazy. Nobody getting those in their prime.
Rich Paul said a lot of nothing.
Same idiot that thinks LeBron is GOAT because....social media scrutiny is sooooo hard to deal with boohoo.
As expected
For real hahaha
agreed. I still don't know the answer to the question that was asked LMAO!!! He should be a politician. He said a lot of nothing eloquently LOL!!!
Went over your head
You forgot to mention AD signed for 5 yrs also in case he does his ACL & never plays again - the security of $100M+ also helps
Haven’t watched yet but this one is gonna be good
Came up with that all by yourself huh
You haven’t watched yet but here you are commenting an irrelevant comment.
For anyone that is curious, Adele is his girlfriend, and he is LeBron's agent. He is a fairly private man so some may not know who he is.
Good for him and that’s his prerogative and kudos to him
Rich Paul is a national treasure but an Icon for the Glenville Community…. Much Respect
Rich Paul on a world tour rn, he everywhere lol 🔥
Ain’t nobody forcing these players to sign long term deals tho 😂! They want the GUARANTEED money so they sign the contracts and give up control! If they want control, don’t take the long term contract money…… sign 2 year deals 😂 it ain’t rocket science, it’s pocket science! 😂
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Not the player fault that the league give them the chance to sign multi year guaranteed contracts and also still able to request or force a trade a year later. We would all do the same thing that benefits ourself
I think thats wat he saying most of the nba is young now so they want max money and its hard to not take the most you can get but i think what he is implying that max contracts ain’t always best and the Agent should be looking out for client more and if a player paying a agent they should listen
@@marquisedockery2445most of the players haven’t earned their stripes and improved their game
Before I even clicked on the video I thought “there’s no way I can trust anything rich Paul says” glad the comments back that up lol
Bro is YAPPING lol
I would say the fans are the power
The thing is Reddick, you chose ESPN. You were like, “ESPN is outstanding. I love them”. You did that, and it broke my heart Reddick. It broke my heart. I, despise, despise ESPN Reddick. Despise them.
Bro nobody cares, especially not JJ. He doesn't owe you anything.
@@theoneandonly4252 Lmao thanks for reading my comment regarding ESPN!
Rich Paul is on point. Dame also had no reason signing that max extension. The franchise had never shown you that they had your best interest. And you gave them all the power. Now he lucked out and got traded to the bucks, but he could have ended up in Utah. If he wouldn't have signed that, he would be in Miami where he wanted to go
I'm just curious, but did Dame Lillard have a no-trade clause?
no he should have negotiated that too@@NateIII11
I hope Harden heard this
Another day another good insight knowledge, we appreciate you JJ!
The thumbnail perfectly encapsulates the 4 positions of power in the NBA:
The Front Office
The Players
The League
LeBron
you dislike bron don’t you?😂😂😂
@@jnnapswhy u say that? Lebron having the 4th most power is pretty high.
this boutta be a good one
5:15 that's how i was looking while watching this video
This is gonna be a good interview can’t wait
The owners hold the power.
Rich Paul was recently on Tim Ferris' podcast for anyone wanting more Rich!
Rich said a lot without saying anything
He described Ben but he got the bag at least.
Err... I accept I may be slow, but did he answer the question?
Think I had to rewind 20 times on this clip, really interesting stuff
You wasted so much time
If you ask Gilbert Arenas, he holds the power
You interrupt too much im this clip. You asked the question "who holds the power" and R Paul tried to but didn't even get to that, and somehow "I think" and "here's the thing" and it's JJ answering his own questions. Good job.
I don’t get everyone beef he literally telling the truth and very clear.
He just described his number one client James.!
JJ get kemba walker on the pod 💯
The fans are never mentioned in these conversations.
The fans hold most control and are the most important thing but we never get the respect from teams, players or owners.
It's our money that is keeping this whole thing a float with the subscriptions we pay for and the the tickets we buy and the merchandise we buy and the products of the advertisers we buy.
Only the US public is really engaged and willing to pay a lot of money to watch sacks of meat running after a ball. Basketball is simply not a global sport, Giannis and Luka can move to Spain and play in their league, it will not matter, they will not make even a third of the money. American football even more so, no wonder the NFL was able to keep their players under control for so long. It's a bizarre situation, how the NBA allows the players to be so entitled. Harden is currently trying to break his contract because he thinks he deserves more money... ok, if no one in the NBA picks him up, were he is going to play? China? He can't run away from the US, the money is in the US, the NBA has all the power
I need the barbershop type answers for these questions
2:39 he’s definitely talking about Gen Simmons
The power in sports comes from the media, how they portray you will determine how casual fans feel about
So pretty much he just explained why he has structured some players he represents (mainly LeBron) contracts the way he does. He knows other players that his players want to play with and (fingers crossed) if he represents both he leverages their opt outs and ending of contracts to get them to play together
Same 3 companies that hold it everywhere: Blackrock, State street, Vanguard
Less than 7 superstars in the league today!
The power is with the fans.
Anyone know what happened with Nerlins Noel lawsuit against Paul?
I liked when Rich Paul said " "
James Harden is the prime example of Max player with no professionalism 😅
Amazing person. great guest!
Is tommy still on this show?
rich paul telling what goes behind closed doors
Pretty surface level conversation from RP, was hoping for more...
If this were true, Michael would have gotten that 7th chip
Man they impelented new rules and all for Mikes benefit after he went crying about Detroit after the last time they knocked the Bulls out. Announcers regularly joked about the fact refs let Mike do whatever he wanted, travel, foul with no call, etc., Nobodys trying to hear any of that bs youre talking. Youre talking about the most catered to player in history.
@@giftedx1391this doesn’t begin to address the point I’m making. Try again.
First 3 mins of this sounds exactly like hardens current situation lmao
Glad I checked comments so I didn’t waste 10 minutes 🙏
2:35 just say you’re talking about James harden lol
This man handled the Ben Simmons situation so horrendously he took his L, got fired by Ben and now no one talks about that aspect anymore 😂 He also is one of the main reasons these superstars are so entitled to thinking they’re owed the world yet he hypocritically calls that exact situation out (2:08
Ben Simmons gets a lot of passes from the fans.
Organizations and coaches enabled him
I love how people are blaming young players for feeling entitled before they do anything... Yet it's actually the fans and media that hype these players to no end from the time they are 6 years old. What the hell do you expect when you are already crowning them from the time out of the womb? Rich is actually doing good work in teaching some of these guys that they still need to be professional and perform.
I'm glad you are so wise. Prior generations always complain about the youth, forgetting you brought the youth into the world (they are your children) and YOU RAISED THEM!!!!
It's like the older generation points to these young and be life "Who raised you?"
And the youth looking at them like....did you forget? YOU!!!!!!
@@ralx225bwe’re grumpy oldies
We’re going to find out who has the power in this harden situation lol. I’m hoping for a big Harden belly and forward to where he ends up
Brilliant tactician
Where is Tommy?
gauranteed money is the worst thing to ever happen in pro sports
> Who really holds the power in the NBA?
The Owners?
All he talked about was how a player gets power. He doesn’t answer the question, which is “who has the power in sports?”
Hi JJ, Hi Rich🎉
He so smart but didn’t even understand JJ question. He was asking who has the power: players, owners or agents
Rich Paul talks like a politician. The king of misdirection
Clicked thinking “oh I’m sure this will be genuine” (not really) and comments back that up. Lol
I have no idea what I just heard... 😂
The comments here are crazy. Rich Paul gives an elaborate, measured response and dumbass viewers say he is talking about nothing. Most people want a simple answer, Players or Owners, but the reality is it's more complex than that, and that really the players dont ultimately as a group have that much power, with a few exceptions. That was his answer. Even the players with power have to be professional, play at the top level, and have the right approach - I dont understand how this is not hot air. Seems pretty logical to me.
He-Man holds the power.
Thanks for saving my time comment section
I never seem to be able to dissect what Rich really means. He says a lot of nothing but I feel like there’s a deeper meaning to what he’s saying. Atleast in his own mind. Maybe it’s me or maybe it’s his inability to articulate in a manner where everyone understand him.
He cant say 100% of the things he knows
Every agent is the same
young cats in highschool middle school this is free game
Superstars: 1. Lebron 2. KD 3. Steph 4. Kawhi 5. Jokic 6. Giannis Everyone else is below and the community knows 7. Kyrie (My opinion)
If he wants to Rich Paul could win the presidency at any time
Giannis used leverage/power saying he wants out if Mil didn’t make changes. And then ended up getting Dame. Harden tried to do it but he ruined his rep after asking for multiple trades. There needs to be value and trust established. Houston Harden had power. It’s to a point now where he’s risking his entire career.
Question - what is Power?
Answer- the ability to change things in your favor.
There are different types of power. Power by association (like RPs association with lebron),
intimidation power (kg, gp3 forcing you to do stuff),
political power (votes within the players association) ,
financial power (stars selling seats),
inspirational power (coach mark jackson),
group power (96 bulls taming rodman),
institutional power (krause destroying the bulls dynasty),
media power (ability to influence the publics mind about a player, coach or club),
legal power (labor vs management) and much more.
For those who don’t know Rich is really talking about his former client Ben Simmons in the beginning of this clip.
I genuinely believe RP has 0 idea what's he talking about. Dude is literally just saying words.
I went into this interview with an open mind. Hoping RP was some genius business man.
He aint. Shoutout lebron for giving this man a career.
I think of Harden when Rich Paul is talking about those layers a player needs to have power
Harden and on the other end of the spectrum it was Dame.
People swore he could go anywhere he wanted based off of who he was and what he’s done.
@@MaddNomad1015excellent example… dame was delusional enough to think he has that much power to choose where he wants to be even when the package is not ideal for Portland…
Luka doncic should get Rich Paul as his agent man for Rich to tell him Dallas isn't it man. Bro actually does the best for his player not just what the player wants.
Look at Gil arena podcast he made perfect sense about this it’s not harden fault
There’s a lot of max guys, only a couple superstars