It is refreshing to hear two people who actually knew STAN LEE give him his due both as the architect and co-creator of the Marvel universe. Chuck is absolutely right about the efforts to somehow cancel Stan and portray him solely as some kind of talentless charlatan, none of which correlates with the facts. I'm watching this video just after posting on my own channel a reading of Stan's deposition in the Marvel vs Kirby Estate case. I think in Stan's sworn testimony it is clear all the inspirations and precedents he had in creating Marvel's core characters in the 60's. And how magnanimous he is as regards the contributions of Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby.
PS. Jim's great story about Stan breaking a wine glass while talking so demonstratively with his hands would probably be endlessly doubted by all of his detractors, except that not only was Chuck there, but one of his employees stepped on the glass! It's just a shame that Roz dragged Jack away before he and Stan could hash out a new collaboration.
Hey Chuck when I was little and reading comics, I would read your ads and fantasize about ordering all your comics. My parents wouldn’t allow me to order anything because they said we couldn’t afford it . I could only scrounge up a few pennies here and there to buy a comic off the spin racks when I could. Your store is on my bucket list! One day, I will visit your store and fulfill a childhood dream lol!
So AMAZING listening to you two just fascinating! Jim is basically the Stan Lee of my generation having been an early 80s and 90s kid having started with Marvel then falling in love with Valiant (which I still routinely read to this day). Thanks so much Chuck!
Great interview. Shooter was such a cool guy at the show I saw him at in the early 80's. Outside of this one scheduled lecture at the convention, he sat with John Byrne (that was doing drawings) and was just talking and answering questions. Those shows back then were really low key so you could just stand around the table and watch/listen. The crowd was, at most, 2 deep so just about 8-12 people hanging out most of the time. Those guys would sign as many books as you'd pass to them back then and it was all free.
Back in the 1980's comic conventions were much smaller which allowed for a more personal experience. Now comic conventions are more like theme parks with huge crowds.
@@sonic31century1 Yeah, great times. Even through much of the 90's they were that way. We'd head down to the San Diego Comic Con on a whim and just buy a ticket at the door a lot of times.
All those years of reading G.I. Joe, I never had a face to put to seeing Jim Shooter's name at the front of each comic~ now I do! Please do more of these sit-down type videos in the future!
To listen to two legends: one a comics creator and the other a comics retailer but both comics fans for life! It is great to hear both speaking of Jack and Stan at that party and finally putting the past to rest, amazing! I have nothing but respect for both of you and certainly eternally grateful to the ORIGINALS: Stan, Jack and Steve! Without whom, comics would not be what they became. Marvel would not be what it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, as well as the 90s...not sure what they are today! Excellent, Chuck! I remember the 80s as a young boy collecting comics and certainly sometime in the summer of 82 I think it was when I opened a Marvel Comics envelope and inside a letter from none other than Jim Shooter! A rejection letter after I had submitted some pinup drawings that were most probably horrible! But Jim Shooter was a true gentleman and despite his rejection, he encouraged me to keep at it! I did but enlisted in the Army and made a career out of it and soon I will start publishing my own comics through my imprint, AGL COMICS. Oh, and I wish that I still had his letter, which I had up to about late 2014 when much of my old drawing which I had in several boxes were destroyed! Long story. But will always remember Jim's letter and hope to meet up with him in the future... AGL, Former Green Beret and ComicsCreator!
This is a GREAT interview. Lots of interesting information about the nuts and bolts of comic book publishing and distributing. I hope you do MORE interviews like this! And definitely more of Shooter. Shooter was blamed for a lot of stuff, but he made the trains run on time at Marvel and that was probably his greatest achievement.
I couldn't stop and watched all four videos in one sitting. I immensely enjoyed hearing your perspectives!! And yes, if you can, please make this a series!!!!
Great interview!! I wish only that you had close-ups of you both, to see your reactions. The only time I saw Jim Shooter in person, was at NYC comic convention in 1981 or 82. I hope you keep doing these interviews. Greetings.
OMG Chuck just watching Jimmy talk with you makes me want to jump in and tell you how much fun we had in the 70's working not in comics but as security guards and a few other jobs dish washers ect .. Oh I saved superman life in one aug no. 290 super-wolf DC he always said he was going to make me famous ! Sure do miss him !
OMG this is so cool. Priceless... So so cool to hear two legends talk about so many other legends. Lol. Thank you for posting this Chuck. I plan to come see the store this summer from TX!
JIm 'straight' Shooter. He's the real deal. I like the way Jim is so measured and calm when recounting events, you could listen to him for hours. Thanks for these interviews, they're gold.
Chuck needs to run around the old school comic world and have conversations with anyone who is left. And, Jim needs to get that book out- $upervillians- I, and about a million other people, would snap it up. I could see a book like that done as a Netflix documentary. Payday for Shooter!
I'm not surprised to hear that ROZ was the Yoko Ono of the Marvel Age. Because when Jack gave an interview later in life when he was really sounding bitter, Roz was constantly interjecting to remind him of one offense or another. But jack literally said Stan never wrote a word of any comic that came out of Marvel and that he couldn't even spell. So preposterous, and yet if Stan had ever said anything like that about Kirby (even right after Kirby had savaged both Stan and Roy Thomas with his Funky Flashman and HouseRoy "parodies") Stan would have absolutely been crucified. Instead, both Stan and Roy repeatedly welcomed Jack back to Marvel even at points when Jack was being demeaned by other lesser artists.
I've read a fair amount about comics history, but I had never heard of "above the fold" in the spinner racks. Finding out how Marvel used that to their advantage is a perfect example of the marketing brilliance of Stan.
These were great! I was a kid when most of the stuff you guys were talking about happened. I saw so many of these changes happen to the industry in my lifetime and know I know why a lot of it happend. Thank you!
So Stan had a deal in principal to move to DC and rename it Super Comics,/ I would love to hear what his plans were for the characters and IF it was related to his reimagining of dc icons in the 2010s ?
Wonderful series on comic books! I am hopeful that you consider doing more with others well known and lesser known about those involved with comics from days gone bye before they all pass away!
What a great discussion, really entertaining , the fact you guys have so much knowledge between you , and your friendship shows , made this a thoroughly enjoyable afternoon of facts and nostalgia....please do more
Stan Lee tarnished his own reputation as much as the people who want to take everything away from him. And to not see that, I feel is a disservice to Lee, Kirby, Ditko and all the others who worked at Marvel in the 1960s. In 1972, Lee signed a contract with Cadence which said Lee would be recognized officially by Marvel as the sole author of Marvel Comics Group and all of its characters Lee worked on. No co-creation was mentioned for Kirby or Ditko. Many times over the decades, Lee has taken credit for things and contradicted himself on said claims. I've seen several interviews over the years where Lee has taken credit for the creation of Doctor Strange, claiming he wanted to do his own take on a magician. Well, that's a total fabrication. Lee wrote a postcard to Martin Goodman shortly before publication of Strange's public debut, which was later published in one of the trade paperbacks on Doctor Strange where Lee clearly stated that Strange was Ditko's idea. A mighty big contradiction if you ask me. Now, does that mean Lee had zilch to do with the characters that were created at Marvel? Absolutely not! But that doesn't mean Lee was the sole creator either. The artists Lee worked with did help make characters what we know them to be today. And some were the creation of the artists and Lee helped flesh them out in their dialogue. In other words, the artists Lee worked with came up with just as many ideas and looks for the characters as Lee did. And I'm not taking anything away from Lee and attributing it to others. Lee did a great job on his part. I just wish things were more solidly grounded in the co-creation department.
Simply incredible...I thought I'd listen for 5-10 minutes, then ended up binge watching the series, highly entertaining and informative.
It is refreshing to hear two people who actually knew STAN LEE give him his due both as the architect and co-creator of the Marvel universe. Chuck is absolutely right about the efforts to somehow cancel Stan and portray him solely as some kind of talentless charlatan, none of which correlates with the facts. I'm watching this video just after posting on my own channel a reading of Stan's deposition in the Marvel vs Kirby Estate case. I think in Stan's sworn testimony it is clear all the inspirations and precedents he had in creating Marvel's core characters in the 60's. And how magnanimous he is as regards the contributions of Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby.
PS. Jim's great story about Stan breaking a wine glass while talking so demonstratively with his hands would probably be endlessly doubted by all of his detractors, except that not only was Chuck there, but one of his employees stepped on the glass! It's just a shame that Roz dragged Jack away before he and Stan could hash out a new collaboration.
LOL!!!!
@@psychotroniccinema2523 Brilliant and insightful reply on your part. Really made your case.
Chuck.... thank you for this... and thank you Jim.
This has to be a series. I love the insight and knowledge they share.
Hey Chuck when I was little and reading comics, I would read your ads and fantasize about ordering all your comics. My parents wouldn’t allow me to order anything because they said we couldn’t afford it . I could only scrounge up a few pennies here and there to buy a comic off the spin racks when I could. Your store is on my bucket list! One day, I will visit your store and fulfill a childhood dream lol!
So AMAZING listening to you two just fascinating! Jim is basically the Stan Lee of my generation having been an early 80s and 90s kid having started with Marvel then falling in love with Valiant (which I still routinely read to this day). Thanks so much Chuck!
Thank you so much for these fascinating interviews, Chuck! I have the greatest respect and admiration for both you and Jim 👍❤️
Great interview. Shooter was such a cool guy at the show I saw him at in the early 80's. Outside of this one scheduled lecture at the convention, he sat with John Byrne (that was doing drawings) and was just talking and answering questions. Those shows back then were really low key so you could just stand around the table and watch/listen. The crowd was, at most, 2 deep so just about 8-12 people hanging out most of the time. Those guys would sign as many books as you'd pass to them back then and it was all free.
Back in the 1980's comic conventions were much smaller which allowed for a more personal experience. Now comic conventions are more like theme parks with huge crowds.
@@sonic31century1 Yeah, great times. Even through much of the 90's they were that way. We'd head down to the San Diego Comic Con on a whim and just buy a ticket at the door a lot of times.
I’m 80’s kid and love this videos. Thanks 🙏🏼 so much for sharing your stories. GIJoe got me into love for comics. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you - just watched all four videos and loved them.
Loved it! So damn interesting. I would definitely vote for more of things like these.
All those years of reading G.I. Joe, I never had a face to put to seeing Jim Shooter's name at the front of each comic~ now I do! Please do more of these sit-down type videos in the future!
To listen to two legends: one a comics creator and the other a comics retailer but both comics fans for life! It is great to hear both speaking of Jack and Stan at that party and finally putting the past to rest, amazing! I have nothing but respect for both of you and certainly eternally grateful to the ORIGINALS: Stan, Jack and Steve! Without whom, comics would not be what they became. Marvel would not be what it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, as well as the 90s...not sure what they are today! Excellent, Chuck! I remember the 80s as a young boy collecting comics and certainly sometime in the summer of 82 I think it was when I opened a Marvel Comics envelope and inside a letter from none other than Jim Shooter! A rejection letter after I had submitted some pinup drawings that were most probably horrible! But Jim Shooter was a true gentleman and despite his rejection, he encouraged me to keep at it! I did but enlisted in the Army and made a career out of it and soon I will start publishing my own comics through my imprint, AGL COMICS. Oh, and I wish that I still had his letter, which I had up to about late 2014 when much of my old drawing which I had in several boxes were destroyed! Long story. But will always remember Jim's letter and hope to meet up with him in the future... AGL, Former Green Beret and ComicsCreator!
This is a GREAT interview. Lots of interesting information about the nuts and bolts of comic book publishing and distributing. I hope you do MORE interviews like this! And definitely more of Shooter. Shooter was blamed for a lot of stuff, but he made the trains run on time at Marvel and that was probably his greatest achievement.
I couldn't stop and watched all four videos in one sitting. I immensely enjoyed hearing your perspectives!! And yes, if you can, please make this a series!!!!
Great interview!! I wish only that you had close-ups of you both, to see your reactions. The only time I saw Jim Shooter in person, was at NYC comic convention in 1981 or 82. I hope you keep doing these interviews. Greetings.
OMG Chuck just watching Jimmy talk with you makes me want to jump in and tell you how much fun we had in the 70's working not in comics but as security guards and a few other jobs dish washers ect .. Oh I saved superman life in one aug no. 290 super-wolf DC he always said he was going to make me famous ! Sure do miss him !
Chuck has to do more of these with more creators and industry folks. An incredibly different yet coincident perspective. Invaluable.
AMAZING series with Jim Shooter!! I loved every second of it! Thank you soo soooo much! To you Chuck and to the great Jim Shooter.
Awesome - we need more!
OMG this is so cool. Priceless... So so cool to hear two legends talk about so many other legends. Lol. Thank you for posting this Chuck. I plan to come see the store this summer from TX!
GREAT! No doubt Chuck is a busy guy--but please do more of these!
Absolutely spectacular stuff. Thanks so much for this Chuck & Jim!
i have always enjoyed shooter's insight. he had a blog that i thought was fascinating....
JIm 'straight' Shooter. He's the real deal. I like the way Jim is so measured and calm when recounting events, you could listen to him for hours. Thanks for these interviews, they're gold.
Chuck needs to run around the old school comic world and have conversations with anyone who is left. And, Jim needs to get that book out- $upervillians- I, and about a million other people, would snap it up. I could see a book like that done as a Netflix documentary. Payday for Shooter!
+1 for $upervillians!!!
I'm not surprised to hear that ROZ was the Yoko Ono of the Marvel Age. Because when Jack gave an interview later in life when he was really sounding bitter, Roz was constantly interjecting to remind him of one offense or another. But jack literally said Stan never wrote a word of any comic that came out of Marvel and that he couldn't even spell. So preposterous, and yet if Stan had ever said anything like that about Kirby (even right after Kirby had savaged both Stan and Roy Thomas with his Funky Flashman and HouseRoy "parodies") Stan would have absolutely been crucified. Instead, both Stan and Roy repeatedly welcomed Jack back to Marvel even at points when Jack was being demeaned by other lesser artists.
I wouldn't say "Yoko Ono", but her love & protectiveness of her husband perhaps made her lash out at the wrong person.
Please do more! Four parts was honestly not enough! I could listen to Chuck and Jim talk the biz for hours.
Just awesomely, great insights into the truth. Have a new respect for Mr Shooter.
I've read a fair amount about comics history, but I had never heard of "above the fold" in the spinner racks. Finding out how Marvel used that to their advantage is a perfect example of the marketing brilliance of Stan.
BRAVO, CHUCK! Usually, the first ones screaming about "cancelling" someone have a distorted view of the facts!
I love this !
Great history and so glad you posted this.
These were great! I was a kid when most of the stuff you guys were talking about happened. I saw so many of these changes happen to the industry in my lifetime and know I know why a lot of it happend. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing this, really great interview (all 4 parts). I learned ALOT.
So Stan had a deal in principal to move to DC and rename it Super Comics,/ I would love to hear what his plans were for the characters and IF it was related to his reimagining of dc icons in the 2010s ?
Love getting a different perspective than the urban legends on the internet. More please!
anyone know how to get ahold of Jim Shooter these days? is he still working?
He still does appearances at cons and might have something going on with Image.
I wonder what Stan's plans for the DC characters were. That would have been interesting to hear.
Wonderful series on comic books! I am hopeful that you consider doing more with others well known and lesser known about those involved with comics from days gone bye before they all pass away!
Legends!
So, does Jim ever have the desire to do an autobiography or history of all his stories from his days working in comics?
Jim has an amazing blog...its a start
I have been reading a book on Joe Simon, My Life in Comics. It's very interesting. I would like to know if you have any stories on Joe? Thank you.
Next time I’m in Denver I’d like to see that Pueblo pottery collection... 3:)
Great stuff. Wish you could have done this with Bill Gaines or Al Feldstein. Maybe one day with Robert Crumb before we all get too old.
Awesome interview! Hey, I'd be interested in a video on the Mile High logo. I'm guessing it's a marmot, but how did it come about?
It's a Woodchuck, and that should give you an idea how it came about.
@@jimmanley558 ah, ok
love these vids
A Comics Masterclass.
What a great discussion, really entertaining , the fact you guys have so much knowledge between you , and your friendship shows , made this a thoroughly enjoyable afternoon of facts and nostalgia....please do more
Stan Lee tarnished his own reputation as much as the people who want to take everything away from him. And to not see that, I feel is a disservice to Lee, Kirby, Ditko and all the others who worked at Marvel in the 1960s.
In 1972, Lee signed a contract with Cadence which said Lee would be recognized officially by Marvel as the sole author of Marvel Comics Group and all of its characters Lee worked on. No co-creation was mentioned for Kirby or Ditko. Many times over the decades, Lee has taken credit for things and contradicted himself on said claims. I've seen several interviews over the years where Lee has taken credit for the creation of Doctor Strange, claiming he wanted to do his own take on a magician. Well, that's a total fabrication. Lee wrote a postcard to Martin Goodman shortly before publication of Strange's public debut, which was later published in one of the trade paperbacks on Doctor Strange where Lee clearly stated that Strange was Ditko's idea. A mighty big contradiction if you ask me.
Now, does that mean Lee had zilch to do with the characters that were created at Marvel? Absolutely not! But that doesn't mean Lee was the sole creator either. The artists Lee worked with did help make characters what we know them to be today. And some were the creation of the artists and Lee helped flesh them out in their dialogue. In other words, the artists Lee worked with came up with just as many ideas and looks for the characters as Lee did. And I'm not taking anything away from Lee and attributing it to others. Lee did a great job on his part. I just wish things were more solidly grounded in the co-creation department.
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