Man you honestly create some of the most entertaining and informative videos on UA-cam, I’ve been watching you since you worked at the dealership, when you were mostly reviewing ford products. Huge props for all your amazing growth & success!
AutoVlog You honestly make some of the most entertaining and informative automotive videos on UA-cam. I have been subscribed since you worked at the dealership reviewing ford products. Huge props for all your amazing growth & success
I am getting 25.6 mpg town and highway. 27.1 from Sacramento to downtown L A. Also uses about 5 gallons of DEF (emissions adaptive in separate tank) every 6000 miles. Super Crew fully loaded 4x4 Lariat. I love it!
stancedchannel yeah but that's restrictive and makes no sense because that power plant has a lot of benefits but it's locked away on the top of the range models or as a fleet vehicle. Ford should maybe rethink the position of that particular product trim to make it more accessible to the masses because that engine is so good .
This isn't a robust and economical little engine that Ford wants going to the mainstream consumer, it's made cheaply, with a rear mounted belt-drive HPFP and has been ripped out of a Land Rover. In reality, it's just a marketing stunt. You want this engine.
the main question is does Ford back this engine up with a nice warranty or just the 3yr/36 mil which is lame....Give me a warranty that will back the truck up like bumper to bumper/100K then we talk!
Really pretty truck and the fuel mileage will improve, I drive a 4X4 2016 Ram 1500 ECO Diesel and I average 22 mpg steady around town here in Central Texas, also have taken three trips to California and averaged 28 mpg and above. If you plan on traveling a Diesel is worth the investment.
ricky safer And Ram puts there Ecodiesel in the lowest level truck they offer.... 5 model years ago. I’ve always been a ford guy. My 15 ecoboost made me think about the other side. My Ecodiesel gets 32 mpg’s on the highway, and 26-27 daily driving. Ford has a long way to go.
ricky safer I had the eco diesel and at 100k mpg dropped tremendously and after 100k that thing started breaking down every 5 miles if it wasn’t egr it was dpf was a great truck till it hit 100k
That "ecodiesel" is a Mercedez engine and extremely expensive to repair and maintain as are most diesel. But in my experience, Mercedez takes the cake on cost of any repairs.
I went from a 15' 5.0L to this new 3.0L Diesel and do not regret it one bit. Fuel economy is far better especially if you have over sized rim/tires like I do. There is virtually no L/100K difference from stock(275/55/20) to 305/60/20. My 5.0L felt the difference, went from 12.5 l/100k over 14. My 3.0 gets 10.5 average with the big boots. Plus when I pull the trailer(5000lbs) every other weekend for racing my wallet doesn't get hit nearly as hard as with the 5.0L. For me more money up front was a no brainer since this thing pays me back over the long run. The only thing I miss from the 5.0L is the rumble, nothing sounds like a V-8 but its a small sacrifice.
The diesel makes sense if you put high miles on the highway towing up to 6000lbs. But for how 75% of f150s are used I think the 5.0 is the best all around motor
cesar amaya I’m a eco boost guy , but no the 5.0 is the most reliable engine . Even i admit that , having said that I would buy a 3.5 still because the gen 2 are very solid engines and I would see no problem hitting the 150- 200k mark.
Just bought the 2018 F 150 platinum with the 3.5 ecoboost on friday. Went to pick it up and it was around 800 km (500 miles) trip in a nice mix of traffic, from very heavy to almost none. Cruise control used when I had the chance at our legal speed limit (60-65mph) and I was plesantly surprised that the average fuel use was lower than I had expected due to the traffic. I averaged 12 liters per 100km or 19.6mpg or there about.. This included an hour or two of very heavy slow going traffic with lots of idle time, highway and city driving. So lots of spirited "road rage" overtaking going on as well hehe. I also have the truck on some 35" and not the stock 33" tires. Also... holy crap the comfort.. ooooooh the comfort! Its like a cozy sofa on wheels!!
I'm partial to the 5.0 coyote as I think its the best all-around engine with the greatest flexability/mods, but I can certainly see the advantages of a desiel. If I was going to work an f150 I'd get the desiel.
Had they put this engine on the new ranger raptor instead of that tiny 2.0 bi-turbo, it could have been a smash hit :'l and I would buy one in a heartbeat
I own a 3.0 you are only talking about driving the truck, and not using it as a truck. I tow a boat and other trailers, I get 24 mpg without a trailer but with I get 20 to 21 mpg while towing. My trailers weigh between 3000lbs to 10000lbs and it pulls like a champ. I also own a 7.3 and a 6.7 super duty. This little 3.0 is worth it weight in gold, but you you are only gone to drive it like a car get the gas, but if you want to tow and get great mpg while doing it this is your truck, hands down.
My 2021 supercab diesel gets over 31 mpg highway, the diesel engine uses half the rpm of the ⛽ gas motor, might just give it twice the longevity. The diesel has so much torque, with the cruise set to 70 mph on interstate 80 does not shift out of 10th even on steep hills. It's like being able to ride a 10 speed bike in 10th gear uphill 😆 Figure most gas engines would downshift a gear or 2 or 3, creating higher rpm and engine wear
if only towing ~8k or below on a regular basis then this truck would be the better fit. It would do the same thing a super duty could, but cost less and get better mpgs (or at least it should anyways)
Fuel economy is the main reason to get a diesel as you say, but there are some other reasons, like they hold their resale value better, and they are probably more reliable, especially for towing applications. A turbo gas engine being pushed to its limit regularly will fare far worse.
It's funny how many people complain about the cost, because they're clearly not buying this type of truck. Being the most popular truck in America, it seems like the price is just fine.
I get 19mpg commuting to work in traffic and 23mpg (with 3 x dirt bikes in the back) on highway with the 2.7L ecoboost in my xlt. I do love diesels but not worth the extra money over gas unless you are doing crazy milage. My dream is the 2.7 with the 36Gl tank!
Awesome review! I’m leaning 3.5 Ecoboost V6 engine. The cost to get the 3.0L PowerStroke Diesel motor is just too much with the Ecoboost being a cheaper option and available in the lower trim levels.
Mike is totally right about this being a numbers game. How long will you keep the vehicle? How many miles will you put on it? What will your towing MPG be? What will it be worth at trade in time? If you were already buying a lariat anyway, the 3k option isn't that big of a deal, and the fuel savings will equalize at 75k miles or so, give or take. I think Ford added this option because they heard GM was adding a diesel to it's new truck lineup. The marketing department couldn't bear to let GM have something they couldn't offer.
For the way I use my truck, this makes sense. When I do a business trip (two to three times a month) I run 10 hours minimum, all hot, three to five days, average 1600 miles, gotta have 4wd, 8 ft. bed, cruise and air. I could enjoy the legendary diesel reliability ,but this is targeted at soccer moms and grocery getters. Running cold miles like that you just as well put targets on the grille where each bank of cylinders is and draw down on them with your six shooter and see how many cylinders you can lay waste to with each shot. Maybe if injectors were free and you could replace them yourself from the drivers seat it might make sense the way most people use their personal transportation equipment.
Unless something's changed, the big reason you keep asking about is that a diesel engine (used) to run WAY longer than a gas engine. I like to keep my trucks for 15+ years. The Ford PowerStrokes have consistently run 250-300K ++ miles. I >rarely< see any gas engines doing that. But, like I said, maybe something has changed.
Considering that it is only offered on high level trims to us normal consumers, but on lower trims for fleet - the engine option is primarily aimed at fleet operations which would probably be the most likely to benefit from a diesel engine.
Mike good review but that Diesel in the end will hold its value better and that engine will easily last twice as long as the ecoboost...call me old fashion but trucks should have V8 or Diesels.
I also hate when guys buy diesels and NEVER tow anything. You’re literally not getting your moneys worth if you never do what the truck was built to do
Scotty W agreed if you buy a 3/4 or 1ton truck (better use for what it was made for) but if your buying a 1/2ton or midsize diesel those get great mileage 30+ mpg good reason to buy especially for highway driving...4cyl or 6cyl turbo trucks have to work so hard to move the truck and they really don’t get that much better gas mileage then modern V8 trucks
I missed these kind of reviews! 😊 I started watching your channel way back when when you did one on a Fiesta Glad to see more! Idk if I would get the mini Powerstroke as it would take about 150,000 Miles to get a return on the fuel mileage, but I commend Ford for offering it. I’m sure for some people it will be ideal. It’s a good engine that’s been used to a few years in Land Rovers (And no matter what engine you get in an F-150, it is a damn nice truck!) Take care!
Great review, I honestly believe they're not going to sell many of these engines until they offer it in the xl or xlt trim levels and most level headed people wont buy one until Ford has had them out for a while and gotten rid of any major flaws that may arise. 6.0l 6.4l for example. Offering a more fuel efficient engine wont do anybody any good if they cant afford the truck as a whole. Extremely interesting film though.
Thank you for your honest and educated review. I love the F-150 and am planning on buying one in the coming years as my family grows. The genesis of my logic into potentially buying the diesel option is because I would like to have it for over 15-20 years...and diesels are built for that longevity in terms of mileage. Am I incorrect? Thanks for the great video!
for people doing many, many miles it‘s an option. i think that‘s why it‘s only available in a fleet for lower trim levels, some companies might choose it. i‘m from germany and here 99% (at least that‘s how i feel about it) of trucks and suvs have diesel engines, the only difference in comparison to the us is that diesel is cheaper than gas. but i‘d always prefer a gas v6 or v8.
I don't know that it's necessary either. If I got a diesel in a half ton truck it would be in a baseline truck where it wouldn't cost too much and the fuel savings would actually mean something. Like if you had to tow a lot you would eventually feel the cost savings with that diesel. However, since owning the 2.7 EcoBoost, I don't think I would ever own a diesel because its engine is so good.
Nice video, this truck might not be relevant to your market, but in places like Canada where the Diesel is cheaper than any grade gas, it perfectly makes sense.
I waited for this engine to be released by Ford prior to purchasing an F150 this year and honestly, I chose the EcoBoost 3.5L with the MaxTow package and 36 gallon tank for my needs over the baby PowerStroke. Even with premium fuel, the extra cost associated with DEF, diesel oil changes, additional cost of fuel filters and anti gel additives in the winter make the cost to operate in the long run about the same. Plus, I have less maintenance items on the EcoBoost which means more time polishing and less time wrenching.
Great point Mike. It's the diesel we've been asking for but it's only there just to say it's there. It's not an Everyman's engine and it doesn't make much sense.
ONLY ONE CON.... PRICE. However they can lower it... lower it! And good news yall, it will in 2020 be lowered to ALL MODELS. It will be a HUGE year for Ford.
SGT SKUNK if you know the right people, you can custom order it in a XL or XLT trim. The fleet manager will just tack it onto an order. Should be cheaper than a lariat or higher trim.
I have had very good luck and no problems with my 2015 ecodiesel other than maintenance cost. I'm sure the little power stroke and ecodiesel are not that different. The small diesel fits my needs and gets good mileage. We went from NH to FL and back with four people and all of our gear and averaged 29mpg. I'm sure the Ford is the same or better.
here in Estonia people would buy it. because the price of diesel is cheaper than gasoline here and 25 to 30 mpg some smaller euro trucks sometimes sturgle to get that mileage.
I bought one of the first f1i50 diesels that arrived it is akin crew cab 4wd I tow 9000lbs with it all the time fuel mileage is great about 19 with that load empty I get 30mpg all the time I have about 20000 miles on the truck I love it very happy with the baby powerstroke
There is a market for the 1/2 ton diesel trucks, not my thing but there seems to be a demand and mainly for fuel mileage. A friend traded his Dodge 3500 for a 1/2 ton Dodge diesel and loves the fuel mileage, he towed his 3,400 lb boat from NC to Florida keys and got good mileage but has said many of times he wish he had kept the 3500 dually. I have a new Dodge Limited 4x4 3500 dually, I like the idea of it being capable of towing most anything comfortably. One thing I saw on another review of the 1/2 ton Ford diesel is the auto shut-off every time you stop. From what I understand, you have to disable that feature when you start the truck like so many other new gas vehicles with that feature. Why not make it an option that is off and you have to enable if you want to use it? Typically on large diesel engines starting and shutting down engine kills the life of the engine, don't know why the small diesel would be any different. My 3500 has option to set cruise and increase RPM at idle in park if you are getting out of the truck for a few minutes. They recommend increasing the idle instead of shutting down and restart within a few minutes.
Not true - idle kills too! The real killer at start up is oil psi (being dry) and that problem is fixed with a time delay start up system... Ing. Bye Pass switch - pre lube of engine oil psi before start....
If you can get a Chevy Cruz with a diesel engine that's made in Germany that runs like a rocket ship, Ford should have the diesel option with every truck they sell. Who doesn't want diesel ? A lot of guys would buy the diesel in the less expensive packages like the XL and XLT. They should introduce an F-100 truck/ diesel with bare bones other options. They have too many trucks in the F-150 classification. It's total confusion with all the different trim levels and engine options and packages within one class of trucks (F150). Buying a truck is no small task -- this guy here at autovlog certainly helps -- the Lord has given him good understanding.
i'm not really a fan of diesel but the truck is gorgeous and i loved this review of it. wow and it really nice when you start a vehicle and you barely hear it. that to me is a sweet thing.
I think the answer to your question is that the gas millage is comparatively way better when you tow. So if you tow a lot and want save $ it fills that gap.
This is why I subscribed. My favorite old ford dealer doing great reviews on new vehicles. Love the vlogs, but more of these videos makes your channel legit. Thanks AutoVlog stay awesome!
Not really unless someone loads the trailer wrong, if you have the right tongue weight, and weight distributed across a trailer correctly then it will tow 11,000 pounds just fine and if you drive stuff then yeah it gets sketchy but if you drive normal it’ll still do fine
I had a 5.0 2018 loved the truck great power but when pulled my 19 ft ranger boat my mileage fell from 23.5 to as low as 15 mpg this 2019 3.0 diesel goes from 25 to 23.5 pulling it at highway speed of 65 mph I love the power of it its is a great engine
Greg B Ford say that the eco boost will out pull the 5.0 but it doesn’t get as good fuel mileage as the 5.0 pulling I prefer a V8 over V6 my friends have the eco boost and pulling gas mileage goes way down in to 5 and 6 mpg Me personally prefer a V8 in the gas engine but I am a old school guy
OUTSTANDING review, been subbed to you but i'm actually in the market for a truck while i'm here serving in iraq. Was very curious about the diesel f150 and this laid out all the details as well as pros and cons PERFECTLY. Thanks so much and don't ever stop making videos brother! 😎
My mother has a 2018 King Ranch and honestly their is no difference other than the motor and its a diesel and surprisingly sticker price on a PLATINUM is 66,000 sticker price on a KING RANCH its 72,000
SoProDan I think your a little mixed up , there's no possible way a King Ranch is more expensive then a higher trim level Platinum. It don't make sense.
Matt S everythings basically standard on the platinum, to load a king ranch up to a similar level it ends up costing more. I was surprised too when i built and priced one on fords website
If fuel economy and fuel savings are a big priority, the 2.7 ecoboost is basically just as economical as the diesel and $3-4k less depending on trim, also it takes regular gas. I feel like thats the more logical choice. Granted, you cant get it on the king ranch trims or above but the lariat can be equipped just as nice is just cant get massage seats.
Agreed, and I don't understand why anyone who can afford the more expensive trim levels would be all the concerned about fuel cost savings. There's a reason why Ford doesn't want engine going to mainstream buyers.
The thing with the diesel is that within a year they will have plug and play tuners that’s ganna jump that Hp to 400-500 and that trq up 600-700 while keeping or improving mpg and reliability
$66K+ for an F-150 with an underpowered diesel (according to the sticker)? Let's be honest, they want significantly more money for an engine that doesn't outperform the best gas motors except in MPG. How many gallons would I have to save before I broke even on cost? At the end of the day, $66K+ will buy a pretty nice new 3/4, or one-ton diesel pickup. Maybe not a Platinum trim, but there's still plenty there for leather and gadgets if you're careful. If you need a diesel, might as well just get a proper diesel with all the capability instead of essentially a mileage-maker half-ton that excels at only getting "pretty good" mileage if you add 4x4 and a crew cab. Is it just me, or is 5 mpg a pretty big hit for a crew cab and 4x4? The problem Ford (and Ram) has is that people expect a capability upgrade for the significant added cost of a diesel option. The little 1/2 ton diesels aren't enough of a capability upgrade to justify the cost. The 3/4 & 1 ton diesels cost a ton, but they are a dramatic increase in capability.
Really the only thing holding me back from one of these is because everyone has a f150. You see them everywhere even the TV commercials are always about the Ford trucks....
I'm glad ford put a diesel engine in the f150. I was a little disappointed by the power numbers but its a start in my opinion. I wish it had more torque and hp, but thats just me. Also, I wish the powerstroke could be available across all models like the XL. You can get it for fleet in that trim level. It would be pretty sweet in my opinion to have a single cab short bed deleted powerstroke f150
just by looking at graph overlays of the torque curves for the 3.5 ecoboost motor vs 3.0 power stroke torque curve i can tell you the average torque from 1000 rpm to 3000 rpm which is the area everyone drives at the AVG torque coming from the power stroke is probably somewhere between 33% to 50% better. which means a lot more to truck guys than the peak number of the ecoboost which doesn't hit until 4200 rpm. the ecoboost torque curve is pretty flat if you look at the overall curve , but the ramp up to the flat comes on way later than that of the diesel , and the elevation of the flat part is lower than that of the diesel the only place the ecoboost does better is from 4000 rpm and beyond. which no one will be driving at.
Nice addition to already rich engine lineup in the F150 i guess. The reason why You pick a Turbo Diesel engine, at least here in Europe is the good MPG, especially when you make a lot of mileage yearly and its ability to endure high mileages. It pays off in some cases basically. Also from a guy who owned couple of them, I just love the dynamic characteristics of diesel, that you don't have to beg it to drive, it just moves :) from the very low of the RPM scale. Here where I live diesel fuel is even cheaper than regular gasoline so the engine choice between diesel and gasoline is still relevant. Nice video Mike ! All the best to You
My 5 litre Ford F150 XLT crew 4x4 has never got the mpg Ford says , If it gets 15 km per 100 . Whatever that is its not good . My old chev 5.3 V 8 extended cab 4x4 with 3 :73 gears get 24 mpg on the hwy . By the by the Ford has 3:55 gears . I don't know if the new diesel will do all , and your right anyone pulling trailers alot will move up to the 3/4 ton series . After all his like your video you "re starting to grow on me . Keep it up
We all no that diesels hold their value longer, but we all need to be reminded, once the warranty is over and parts need to be replaced, your going to be upside down in a half ton truck. Let the 6.0's be a reminder. Sign, a proud 7.3 owner.
They can make up whatever numbers they want. Toyota and GM are the only companies that were willing to standardize towing certification through the SAE. Ford was asked, and refused.
Here in South Africa the Ford Ranger is only offered in diesel, there’s no petrol options whatsoever, it’s highly frustrating. The options are basically a 3.2 5-Cylinder turbo diesel, a 2.2 4-pot turbo diesel and even the new Raptor gets a friken 2.0 4-pot bi-turbo diesel. Dammit Ford!!! I want to have many words with whoever is in charge of deciding what engines to offer here in SA. I want at least one petrol option, heck I’d even settle for the 2.3 ecoboost from the Focus RS or Mustang. But that new Ranger Raptor should at least have the 2.7 ecoboost. I know it’s what the South African market wants, most people here buy diesel but they should at least have a petrol option for those of us like me who don’t want a friken diesel!
Dassd Schsdu Well then maybe when the Ranger finally lands in the US where you get decent petrol options you can ship me a nice ecoboost extra-cab and I’ll ship you back your 2.2 diesel single cab. Lol, The steering wheel will be on the other side, besides the fact it would cost an arm and a leg to ship if even possible with new vehicles. I just wish car manufacturers would offer the same stuff to everyone everywhere, this is the problem when you have the bean counters who think they know what’s best for the market determine who gets what, just give everyone everything. I know it doesn’t make financial sense but man! what a nice world it would be.
One thing that have always bothered me with the upgraded F150, Lariat, King Ranch and above and diesel in general, first is the console shifter. It was great when it first came out ten or so years ago, but really, with electronic shifting available in all Ford transmissions, do you really need a huge shifter that takes up room? No. Secondly, Everyone forgets the additional cost of DEF when averaging overall operational costs. When the original F250 first came out that had EPA mandated DEF, the gas tank in the short bed only held 20 gallons because of the space required to place a DEF reservoir. In order to get a larger tank, you had to have the 8 foot bed which was huge when considering that most trucks sold in that market is a Crew Cab configuration. The DEF also was a problem with people who did not drive the diesel on the highway, ROUTINELY, to be able to burn off the carbon in the muffler. I would assume that the 3.0 will have the same issues as the big daddy diesel in the 250’s and above. The 2.7 Ecoboost is perhaps Ford’s best engine for the F150, PROVIDING, you don’t routinely tow heavy loads. It will get 21 to 23+ on the highway if you don’t drive with a heavy foot and use cruise control once you get to highway speed. Coupling the 2.7 and the 27 gallon gas tank, you can expect 450 to 520 miles per tank almost routinely particularly if you drive primarily highway driving. I believe the Ford’s lineup of available powerplants can be limited to the 2.7, 3.5, 3.5 super and that’s it. The diesel provides limited importance unless you put it in the entry level trucks, starting with the XL, where guys who actually use their trucks for work would derive a powerful benefit for towing and carrying heavy box loads. Europe has been using a Ford diesel in their Ford cars for sometime, why isn’t a diesel more available in the USA for that application?
Mike, you could have addressed the longevity of Diesel versus Gasoline engines. It's an important consideration depending upon how the truck is going to be utilized. You DO know that diesel engines typically last two to three times longer than gasoline, right?
By the time you break it down you're saving about $12 a tank on gas if you drive reasonably and on the highway. Now $12 a tank sounds nice for most that could be an extra $30-40 saved a month, but you have to consider the DEF fluid you have to use ( I assume this truck needs DEF) and that oil changes are much more expensive in a diesel (usually double the cost). Then you also have to think about maintenance, fewer people work on diesels, they're more expensive in labor and parts, and simple things like diesels use two batteries, not just one. There's a lot more cost in the diesels and for the gains it gives they're not enough to make it better than a 3.5L in my opinion.
I figured Ford's answer to the EcoDiesel was the then new 2.7L EcoBoost. Now that Ford's released their own diesel I still think the 2.7L Eco makes more sense.
All diesels can be modded for more power, and most are modded to greater levels of capability while still having good mileage. Diesel is just better. If you question it, look up diesel resale vs gas trucks.
Al Singleton Modded for more capability. No that's not how it works, Tune alone doesn't give you more power, sure they sell for more when they are older, but That's because it's a diesel, they don't make good diesels anymore, Just because you can blow black smoke out of your truck doesn't mean it's powerful. I used to have a JD Lawn mower that could do that. Was that powerful? No, Stock tune is perfect, and you don't see the older diesels with high miles have tunes do ya. Only the new ones that you see blown up and have issues.
jason9022 what do you know of my mechanical abilities? If you are stating I’m wrong, give me facts. There’s a pretty large diesel aftermarket that disagrees with you.
Tigglemeister where are you getting your facts? I drive a 2005 turbo diesel (is 13 years old old enough?) with the original motor and 240,000 miles on her (are those enough miles for you?) that has been modded (I never said tune alone) and is more reliable, powerful and economical than it was from the factory. I’m an adult who doesn’t “roll coal” and have owned my truck since new. Gas trucks have a much lower resale value (true again) and are generally sold off or traded in at 100,000-125,000 miles. Try a google search at the very least before you write without facts.
jason9022 For your Merc, how about a holset turbo (or the one we ripped off the oldsmobile) and a ported intake? Both of which were done on Car and Drivers' former test car BY MY DAD in the late 80's. You're thoughts are mostly rhetorical and not thoroughly correct. I will give you the idea that not ALL diesels gain HUGE, but even an old IDI benefits from a $650 turbo and some proper fuel delivery. Even historic tractors have turbo ability, mowers...not even important. To be clear, this WHOLE DISCUSSION FORUM is about the Value of a Ford TRUCK not a Merc, nor a tractor...
Ram 1500 does get 28 mpg in 4WD and crew cab. My Jeep Grand Cherokee gets 28 plus mpg. It makes no sense unless you are a diesel guy like I am. Nice review and things change when you see gas creep to 5 bucks a gallon...
I think it fills the void for those who want a diesel in an F150. It also fills the void for fuel economy while towing. That’s where this engine should shine.
. . you said it when you mentioned the diesel engine is available at lower trim levels only if you are a fleet operator . . thats the crux where an operator can save thousands of dollars over a year in fuel costs . . thats its true purpose, any sales to the general public are just icing on that cake . . and of course sales into Europe would grow exponentially with a diesel alternative . .
I’m gonna poke fun at you man...you keep talking about how hot and humid it is where you are, but yet the temp gauge in the truck said it was not. I saw 77 degrees. I wish my f250 would tell me it was only 77 outside. If that is the temp outside where you are, consider yourself lucky.
So basically you can get a 3.5 at a lower trim, lower monthly payments and slighter cheaper fuel price but only at the cost of a few mpg? Doesn't really make sense to buy the little Power Stroke. And I loved the VW TDI I had! It was incredible! But what I was saving in fuel I was making up in the monthly loan payment.
just saw this since i'm in the market for a used 3.0 power-stroke. I can say that everything you said is true when referring to the numbers and if the 3.0 is even necessary however for me and i assume others that look for a diesel option in a truck is of-course for the immediate savings in fuel cost but also for longevity. Diesel engines once taken care of, will give you on average 3 to 400 mile usages compared to a gasoline engine which is on average 150 to 200 mile. I'm not saying that there aren't any gas engines with high mileage on the road, I'm just saying that the diesel engines seem to be more durable. I'm not an engineer so i can't say for sure why that is so but my guess is that it is the difference in the way the two combust. The diesel engines today are so much more quiet and efficient than those of yesteryear that there just isn't any comparison between a ford 3.0 deisel of today and lets say the mercedes OM617 diesel of the early 80's. Gasoline engines are efficient also but still lack that longevity. I would like you to include longevity and ownership period comparisons in your reviews and then we may see quite a difference in diesel engines. Just thought i'd add this little piece- As a boy growing up in the Caribbean i was exposed to diesel engines by way of the European market. The purchase model there at the time was quite different to the North American market. When we bought a vehicle it was for life. So most people, who didn't mind the smell and noise bought a diesel vehicle and had it for an average of 15 to 20 years depending on usage. I really enjoyed your review and i think you have what many youtubers lack, simplicity.
As a college student. Im definitely going to test drive that Ford. I may go for Raptor for summer 2019. Great video. :D $60k is reasonable price. Not bad. Rolling Coal !! LOL
This vehicle exists primarily to help the overall numbers for mpg in the lineup, in the real world there is a narrow use case for owning it. A hybrid will eventually make this configuration obsolete in my opinion
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Man you honestly create some of the most entertaining and informative videos on UA-cam, I’ve been watching you since you worked at the dealership, when you were mostly reviewing ford products. Huge props for all your amazing growth & success!
AutoVlog Great Review The 2018 Ford F-150 Platinum with the 3.0 Power Stroke is absolutely amazing Truck
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I am getting 25.6 mpg town and highway. 27.1 from Sacramento to downtown L A. Also uses about 5 gallons of DEF (emissions adaptive in separate tank) every 6000 miles. Super Crew fully loaded 4x4 Lariat. I love it!
Delete the restrictive emissions components and it will get more than 30 and you'll no longer need def fluid.
I think they should have made it available for lower trim levels to make it a better deal .
David RTD agreed, this pricing gets you into Super Duty territory
they do but only for fleets
stancedchannel yeah but that's restrictive and makes no sense because that power plant has a lot of benefits but it's locked away on the top of the range models or as a fleet vehicle. Ford should maybe rethink the position of that particular product trim to make it more accessible to the masses because that engine is so good .
rupasree bose yep might as well buy that instead , if they only make it available for lower trim levels that would be a great deal .
This isn't a robust and economical little engine that Ford wants going to the mainstream consumer, it's made cheaply, with a rear mounted belt-drive HPFP and has been ripped out of a Land Rover. In reality, it's just a marketing stunt. You want this engine.
the reason people pick the 3.0L is for towing long distances, the MPG, or if you are a diesel or die kind of guy
Luis Perez Price of this truck you could get a f250 lol
oONoChanc3Oo no shit. put this.in an xlt itll be a market share. but for the cost, an xl or xlt 250 psd is easily an option
the main question is does Ford back this engine up with a nice warranty or just the 3yr/36 mil which is lame....Give me a warranty that will back the truck up like bumper to bumper/100K then we talk!
@@johnD862the 3.0 Powerstroke has a 10/100,000 warranty package.
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Really pretty truck and the fuel mileage will improve, I drive a 4X4 2016 Ram 1500 ECO Diesel and I average 22 mpg steady around town here in Central Texas, also have taken three trips to California and averaged 28 mpg and above. If you plan on traveling a Diesel is worth the investment.
ricky safer And Ram puts there Ecodiesel in the lowest level truck they offer.... 5 model years ago. I’ve always been a ford guy. My 15 ecoboost made me think about the other side. My Ecodiesel gets 32 mpg’s on the highway, and 26-27 daily driving. Ford has a long way to go.
I love my 18 Ecodiesel, it's laramie trimmed 4wd already lifted 3" I average 21.5 around town and 27 on the highway here in the mountains of NC.
ricky safer I had the eco diesel and at 100k mpg dropped tremendously and after 100k that thing started breaking down every 5 miles if it wasn’t egr it was dpf was a great truck till it hit 100k
That "ecodiesel" is a Mercedez engine and extremely expensive to repair and maintain as are most diesel. But in my experience, Mercedez takes the cake on cost of any repairs.
that 3 liter makes almost as much as the old 7.3 with 250 hp and 500 ft pounds of torque. It’s impressive to see how far trucks have come
I went from a 15' 5.0L to this new 3.0L Diesel and do not regret it one bit. Fuel economy is far better especially if you have over sized rim/tires like I do. There is virtually no L/100K difference from stock(275/55/20) to 305/60/20. My 5.0L felt the difference, went from 12.5 l/100k over 14. My 3.0 gets 10.5 average with the big boots. Plus when I pull the trailer(5000lbs) every other weekend for racing my wallet doesn't get hit nearly as hard as with the 5.0L. For me more money up front was a no brainer since this thing pays me back over the long run. The only thing I miss from the 5.0L is the rumble, nothing sounds like a V-8 but its a small sacrifice.
The diesel makes sense if you put high miles on the highway towing up to 6000lbs. But for how 75% of f150s are used I think the 5.0 is the best all around motor
Agree, but the 5.0 has been having a lot of valve problems. Unfortunately
cesar amaya I’m a eco boost guy , but no the 5.0 is the most reliable engine . Even i admit that , having said that I would buy a 3.5 still because the gen 2 are very solid engines and I would see no problem hitting the 150- 200k mark.
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Says who? People who bought used F150s equipped with the 5.0L V8 Coyote?
Great Review what you are paying for is a longer last motor but the downside is oil changes and upkeep cost more. I will stick with my 5.0 coyote .V8.
Then, why are you on here watching a video about the new 3.0L PowerStroke?
Just bought the 2018 F 150 platinum with the 3.5 ecoboost on friday.
Went to pick it up and it was around 800 km (500 miles) trip in a nice mix of traffic, from very heavy to almost none.
Cruise control used when I had the chance at our legal speed limit (60-65mph) and I was plesantly surprised that the average fuel use was lower than I had expected due to the traffic.
I averaged 12 liters per 100km or 19.6mpg or there about..
This included an hour or two of very heavy slow going traffic with lots of idle time, highway and city driving. So lots of spirited "road rage" overtaking going on as well hehe.
I also have the truck on some 35" and not the stock 33" tires.
Also... holy crap the comfort.. ooooooh the comfort!
Its like a cozy sofa on wheels!!
I'm partial to the 5.0 coyote as I think its the best all-around engine with the greatest flexability/mods, but I can certainly see the advantages of a desiel. If I was going to work an f150 I'd get the desiel.
Our 2018 4x4 SuperCrew (125k miles) gets 33-36 highway (at 68mph) and 26-29 city. It exceeds the EPA mpg estimates like most light diesels do
Makes a big difference towing I tow a boat get 21MPG on my 150 diesel same boat used to get 13MPG on a 2017 f150 eco boost
Had they put this engine on the new ranger raptor instead of that tiny 2.0 bi-turbo, it could have been a smash hit :'l and I would buy one in a heartbeat
thats an incredible idea lol
I own a 3.0 you are only talking about driving the truck, and not using it as a truck. I tow a boat and other trailers, I get 24 mpg without a trailer but with I get 20 to 21 mpg while towing. My trailers weigh between 3000lbs to 10000lbs and it pulls like a champ. I also own a 7.3 and a 6.7 super duty. This little 3.0 is worth it weight in gold, but you you are only gone to drive it like a car get the gas, but if you want to tow and get great mpg while doing it this is your truck, hands down.
My 2021 supercab diesel gets over 31 mpg highway, the diesel engine uses half the rpm of the ⛽ gas motor, might just give it twice the longevity. The diesel has so much torque, with the cruise set to 70 mph on interstate 80 does not shift out of 10th even on steep hills. It's like being able to ride a 10 speed bike in 10th gear uphill 😆 Figure most gas engines would downshift a gear or 2 or 3, creating higher rpm and engine wear
It's a gorgeous truck and probably suits the "diesel fanatics " . Still I would buy a Super Duty with a Powerstroke if towing and hauling regularly.
if only towing ~8k or below on a regular basis then this truck would be the better fit. It would do the same thing a super duty could, but cost less and get better mpgs (or at least it should anyways)
Fuel economy is the main reason to get a diesel as you say, but there are some other reasons, like they hold their resale value better, and they are probably more reliable, especially for towing applications. A turbo gas engine being pushed to its limit regularly will fare far worse.
It's funny how many people complain about the cost, because they're clearly not buying this type of truck. Being the most popular truck in America, it seems like the price is just fine.
Love e your review. I still think the 5 liter is a good engine in the 150. I now have the super duty 7.3 and love it.
John Henry 5.0 coyote is the best engine ever.
John Henry my neighbor has a 99 f150 power stroke 7.3 with 290k miles. He is a proud owner, he bought the truck new back in 2000.
5.0 is a great engine, for the Mustang. Just not the greatest engine for towing, such a damn narrow powerband way up in the rpm's
John Henry The Coyote V8 is my favorite V8 engine Ford has ever made.
cheeznhard But with the new 10-speed and the added power torque I think it'll do fine but I do see you're point.
I get 19mpg commuting to work in traffic and 23mpg (with 3 x dirt bikes in the back) on highway with the 2.7L ecoboost in my xlt.
I do love diesels but not worth the extra money over gas unless you are doing crazy milage. My dream is the 2.7 with the 36Gl tank!
its fro towing idiot
Awesome review! I’m leaning 3.5 Ecoboost V6 engine. The cost to get the 3.0L PowerStroke Diesel motor is just too much with the Ecoboost being a cheaper option and available in the lower trim levels.
I wanted an ecoboost but I went with a 5.0, I dodged a bullet forsure
My 2.7L STX just pulled my 5500lb trailer through the Monashee mountains here in BC Canada...with out breaking a sweat. It pulls like a diesel.
Mike is totally right about this being a numbers game. How long will you keep the vehicle? How many miles will you put on it? What will your towing MPG be? What will it be worth at trade in time? If you were already buying a lariat anyway, the 3k option isn't that big of a deal, and the fuel savings will equalize at 75k miles or so, give or take. I think Ford added this option because they heard GM was adding a diesel to it's new truck lineup. The marketing department couldn't bear to let GM have something they couldn't offer.
Diesel all the way. love my f250 larit. Diesel Engines last longer.
My 1996 gmc 1500 has a 350 gas engine with 312,000 miles nothing done to it, runs great, just maintenance it and don't wreck it
For the way I use my truck, this makes sense. When I do a business trip (two to three times a month) I run 10 hours minimum, all hot, three to five days, average 1600 miles, gotta have 4wd, 8 ft. bed, cruise and air. I could enjoy the legendary diesel reliability ,but this is targeted at soccer moms and grocery getters. Running cold miles like that you just as well put targets on the grille where each bank of cylinders is and draw down on them with your six shooter and see how many cylinders you can lay waste to with each shot. Maybe if injectors were free and you could replace them yourself from the drivers seat it might make sense the way most people use their personal transportation equipment.
Unless something's changed, the big reason you keep asking about is that a diesel engine (used) to run WAY longer than a gas engine. I like to keep my trucks for 15+ years. The Ford PowerStrokes have consistently run 250-300K ++ miles. I >rarely< see any gas engines doing that. But, like I said, maybe something has changed.
They are more affordable now, I belive when gas goes up diesel keep its price and will be more easier to get incase of a gas shortage
Considering that it is only offered on high level trims to us normal consumers, but on lower trims for fleet - the engine option is primarily aimed at fleet operations which would probably be the most likely to benefit from a diesel engine.
Mike good review but that Diesel in the end will hold its value better and that engine will easily last twice as long as the ecoboost...call me old fashion but trucks should have V8 or Diesels.
117 Vlog better than gm putting a turbo 4cly in their half tons
117 Vlog or a 300 cui straight six
I also hate when guys buy diesels and NEVER tow anything. You’re literally not getting your moneys worth if you never do what the truck was built to do
Brien Berglund agreed 4cyl turbo belong in my GTI and V8 belong in my RAM
Scotty W agreed if you buy a 3/4 or 1ton truck (better use for what it was made for) but if your buying a 1/2ton or midsize diesel those get great mileage 30+ mpg good reason to buy especially for highway driving...4cyl or 6cyl turbo trucks have to work so hard to move the truck and they really don’t get that much better gas mileage then modern V8 trucks
I missed these kind of reviews! 😊
I started watching your channel way back when when you did one on a Fiesta
Glad to see more!
Idk if I would get the mini Powerstroke as it would take about 150,000 Miles to get a return on the fuel mileage, but I commend Ford for offering it. I’m sure for some people it will be ideal.
It’s a good engine that’s been used to a few years in Land Rovers
(And no matter what engine you get in an F-150, it is a damn nice truck!)
Take care!
Great review, I honestly believe they're not going to sell many of these engines until they offer it in the xl or xlt trim levels and most level headed people wont buy one until Ford has had them out for a while and gotten rid of any major flaws that may arise. 6.0l 6.4l for example. Offering a more fuel efficient engine wont do anybody any good if they cant afford the truck as a whole. Extremely interesting film though.
Thank you for your honest and educated review. I love the F-150 and am planning on buying one in the coming years as my family grows. The genesis of my logic into potentially buying the diesel option is because I would like to have it for over 15-20 years...and diesels are built for that longevity in terms of mileage. Am I incorrect?
Thanks for the great video!
for people doing many, many miles it‘s an option. i think that‘s why it‘s only available in a fleet for lower trim levels, some companies might choose it. i‘m from germany and here 99% (at least that‘s how i feel about it) of trucks and suvs have diesel engines, the only difference in comparison to the us is that diesel is cheaper than gas. but i‘d always prefer a gas v6 or v8.
If this 3.0 can make its way to the Australian spec Ranger. That would be splendid
You were correct. 2022.
why? isnt the 3.2 a better engine both in performance and ease of fit?
I don't know that it's necessary either. If I got a diesel in a half ton truck it would be in a baseline truck where it wouldn't cost too much and the fuel savings would actually mean something. Like if you had to tow a lot you would eventually feel the cost savings with that diesel. However, since owning the 2.7 EcoBoost, I don't think I would ever own a diesel because its engine is so good.
Nice video, this truck might not be relevant to your market, but in places like Canada where the Diesel is cheaper than any grade gas, it perfectly makes sense.
I waited for this engine to be released by Ford prior to purchasing an F150 this year and honestly, I chose the EcoBoost 3.5L with the MaxTow package and 36 gallon tank for my needs over the baby PowerStroke. Even with premium fuel, the extra cost associated with DEF, diesel oil changes, additional cost of fuel filters and anti gel additives in the winter make the cost to operate in the long run about the same. Plus, I have less maintenance items on the EcoBoost which means more time polishing and less time wrenching.
Great point Mike. It's the diesel we've been asking for but it's only there just to say it's there. It's not an Everyman's engine and it doesn't make much sense.
ONLY ONE CON.... PRICE.
However they can lower it... lower it!
And good news yall, it will in 2020 be lowered to ALL MODELS. It will be a HUGE year for Ford.
SGT SKUNK if you know the right people, you can custom order it in a XL or XLT trim. The fleet manager will just tack it onto an order. Should be cheaper than a lariat or higher trim.
This is a first. I just agreed with a Trump supporter.
I have had very good luck and no problems with my 2015 ecodiesel other than maintenance cost. I'm sure the little power stroke and ecodiesel are not that different. The small diesel fits my needs and gets good mileage. We went from NH to FL and back with four people and all of our gear and averaged 29mpg. I'm sure the Ford is the same or better.
here in Estonia people would buy it. because the price of diesel is cheaper than gasoline here and 25 to 30 mpg some smaller euro trucks sometimes sturgle to get that mileage.
I bought one of the first f1i50 diesels that arrived it is akin crew cab 4wd I tow 9000lbs with it all the time fuel mileage is great about 19 with that load empty I get 30mpg all the time I have about 20000 miles on the truck I love it very happy with the baby powerstroke
Curious how you got these numbers. Seems unrealistic for 4wd going 70mph down the hwy. Maybe it's momentarily going downhill. It can't be the average.
Well you can belie e it or not but these are the numbers that I see I reset the fuel mileage when ever I take a trip and this is what I am getting
There is a market for the 1/2 ton diesel trucks, not my thing but there seems to be a demand and mainly for fuel mileage. A friend traded his Dodge 3500 for a 1/2 ton Dodge diesel and loves the fuel mileage, he towed his 3,400 lb boat from NC to Florida keys and got good mileage but has said many of times he wish he had kept the 3500 dually. I have a new Dodge Limited 4x4 3500 dually, I like the idea of it being capable of towing most anything comfortably. One thing I saw on another review of the 1/2 ton Ford diesel is the auto shut-off every time you stop. From what I understand, you have to disable that feature when you start the truck like so many other new gas vehicles with that feature. Why not make it an option that is off and you have to enable if you want to use it? Typically on large diesel engines starting and shutting down engine kills the life of the engine, don't know why the small diesel would be any different. My 3500 has option to set cruise and increase RPM at idle in park if you are getting out of the truck for a few minutes. They recommend increasing the idle instead of shutting down and restart within a few minutes.
Not true - idle kills too!
The real killer at start up is oil psi (being dry) and that problem is fixed with a time delay start up system... Ing. Bye Pass switch - pre lube of engine oil psi before start....
Idle is not great but with a diesel, consistent shut down and start up between short trips is hard on the engine.
Just got home from work. Night upload for the win! 🔥🔥🔥✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼
If your worried about towing fuel economy then the diesel is probably the way to go, however the EcoBoost tows more effortlessly with its more power.
This video makes me proud to be a Kansin, regular 87 unleaded is at 2.50 a gallon and hasn't been above 3 since like 09
If you can get a Chevy Cruz with a diesel engine that's made in Germany that runs like a rocket ship, Ford should have the diesel option with every truck they sell. Who doesn't want diesel ? A lot of guys would buy the diesel in the less expensive packages like the XL and XLT. They should introduce an F-100 truck/ diesel with bare bones other options. They have too many trucks in the F-150 classification. It's total confusion with all the different trim levels and engine options and packages within one class of trucks (F150). Buying a truck is no small task -- this guy here at autovlog certainly helps -- the Lord has given him good understanding.
i'm not really a fan of diesel but the truck is gorgeous and i loved this review of it. wow and it really nice when you start a vehicle and you barely hear it. that to me is a sweet thing.
I think the answer to your question is that the gas millage is comparatively way better when you tow. So if you tow a lot and want save $ it fills that gap.
This is why I subscribed. My favorite old ford dealer doing great reviews on new vehicles. Love the vlogs, but more of these videos makes your channel legit. Thanks AutoVlog stay awesome!
Towing capacities on the F-150 don't really matter. Once you get over 5-8k towing on an F-150 it gets really sketchy and dangerous to other drivers
Exactly!!!
Not really unless someone loads the trailer wrong, if you have the right tongue weight, and weight distributed across a trailer correctly then it will tow 11,000 pounds just fine and if you drive stuff then yeah it gets sketchy but if you drive normal it’ll still do fine
I had a 5.0 2018 loved the truck great power but when pulled my 19 ft ranger boat my mileage fell from 23.5 to as low as 15 mpg this 2019 3.0 diesel goes from 25 to 23.5 pulling it at highway speed of 65 mph I love the power of it its is a great engine
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I gave 56k it was 2500 higher than a gas Lariat it has all the bells whistles
Greg B
Ford say that the eco boost will out pull the 5.0 but it doesn’t get as good fuel mileage as the 5.0 pulling I prefer a V8 over V6 my friends have the eco boost and pulling gas mileage goes way down in to 5 and 6 mpg
Me personally prefer a V8 in the gas engine but I am a old school guy
Thanks for the great review, but I'd get the 3.5 twin-turbo in the F-150 and the V8 Powerstroke in the F-250.
OUTSTANDING review, been subbed to you but i'm actually in the market for a truck while i'm here serving in iraq. Was very curious about the diesel f150 and this laid out all the details as well as pros and cons PERFECTLY. Thanks so much and don't ever stop making videos brother! 😎
YES!, Reviews have made a comeback!!!. Btw good review on the Diesel engine. keep up the great content!
My mother has a 2018 King Ranch and honestly their is no difference other than the motor and its a diesel and surprisingly sticker price on a PLATINUM is 66,000 sticker price on a KING RANCH its 72,000
SoProDan I think your a little mixed up , there's no possible way a King Ranch is more expensive then a higher trim level Platinum. It don't make sense.
King Ranch costs less unless you equip it optional equipment.
Sher Nematzhonov now that is true, a loaded King Ranch will cost more then a base Platinum
Matt S everythings basically standard on the platinum, to load a king ranch up to a similar level it ends up costing more. I was surprised too when i built and priced one on fords website
Our KING RANCH is fully loaded and it’s honestly an amazing truck
If fuel economy and fuel savings are a big priority, the 2.7 ecoboost is basically just as economical as the diesel and $3-4k less depending on trim, also it takes regular gas. I feel like thats the more logical choice. Granted, you cant get it on the king ranch trims or above but the lariat can be equipped just as nice is just cant get massage seats.
Agreed, and I don't understand why anyone who can afford the more expensive trim levels would be all the concerned about fuel cost savings. There's a reason why Ford doesn't want engine going to mainstream buyers.
Those shots in the beggining are straight fire!
The thing with the diesel is that within a year they will have plug and play tuners that’s ganna jump that Hp to 400-500 and that trq up 600-700 while keeping or improving mpg and reliability
Brother has the same engine in his Land Rover. Loves it.
$66K+ for an F-150 with an underpowered diesel (according to the sticker)? Let's be honest, they want significantly more money for an engine that doesn't outperform the best gas motors except in MPG. How many gallons would I have to save before I broke even on cost? At the end of the day, $66K+ will buy a pretty nice new 3/4, or one-ton diesel pickup. Maybe not a Platinum trim, but there's still plenty there for leather and gadgets if you're careful.
If you need a diesel, might as well just get a proper diesel with all the capability instead of essentially a mileage-maker half-ton that excels at only getting "pretty good" mileage if you add 4x4 and a crew cab. Is it just me, or is 5 mpg a pretty big hit for a crew cab and 4x4? The problem Ford (and Ram) has is that people expect a capability upgrade for the significant added cost of a diesel option. The little 1/2 ton diesels aren't enough of a capability upgrade to justify the cost. The 3/4 & 1 ton diesels cost a ton, but they are a dramatic increase in capability.
The reason is the CAFE standard. That's why chevy and dodge have experimented with the hybrid versions.
Really the only thing holding me back from one of these is because everyone has a f150. You see them everywhere even the TV commercials are always about the Ford trucks....
I'm glad ford put a diesel engine in the f150. I was a little disappointed by the power numbers but its a start in my opinion. I wish it had more torque and hp, but thats just me. Also, I wish the powerstroke could be available across all models like the XL. You can get it for fleet in that trim level. It would be pretty sweet in my opinion to have a single cab short bed deleted powerstroke f150
Good video, I love my 3.5 ecoboost with the 10 speen transmission. I have averaged 19.3 mpg on my f150. I am at 7500 miles.
just by looking at graph overlays of the torque curves for the 3.5 ecoboost motor vs 3.0 power stroke torque curve i can tell you the average torque from 1000 rpm to 3000 rpm which is the area everyone drives at the AVG torque coming from the power stroke is probably somewhere between 33% to 50% better. which means a lot more to truck guys than the peak number of the ecoboost which doesn't hit until 4200 rpm. the ecoboost torque curve is pretty flat if you look at the overall curve , but the ramp up to the flat comes on way later than that of the diesel , and the elevation of the flat part is lower than that of the diesel the only place the ecoboost does better is from 4000 rpm and beyond. which no one will be driving at.
$3000 premium isn’t much for the diesel motor considering it will cost you $8000 for a new eco boost motor at 100k miles 😅
Nice addition to already rich engine lineup in the F150 i guess. The reason why You pick a Turbo Diesel engine, at least here in Europe is the good MPG, especially when you make a lot of mileage yearly and its ability to endure high mileages. It pays off in some cases basically. Also from a guy who owned couple of them, I just love the dynamic characteristics of diesel, that you don't have to beg it to drive, it just moves :) from the very low of the RPM scale. Here where I live diesel fuel is even cheaper than regular gasoline so the engine choice between diesel and gasoline is still relevant. Nice video Mike ! All the best to You
Great intro song, man. 10/10
My 5 litre Ford F150 XLT crew 4x4 has never got the mpg Ford says , If it gets 15 km per 100 . Whatever that is its not good . My old chev 5.3 V 8 extended cab 4x4 with 3 :73 gears get 24 mpg on the hwy . By the by the Ford has 3:55 gears . I don't know if the new diesel will do all , and your right anyone pulling trailers alot will move up to the 3/4 ton series . After all his like your video you "re starting to grow on me . Keep it up
You should see if you can do a comparison with the Ford, the Silverado, and the RAM 1500.
We all no that diesels hold their value longer, but we all need to be reminded, once the warranty is over and parts need to be replaced, your going to be upside down in a half ton truck. Let the 6.0's be a reminder. Sign, a proud 7.3 owner.
They can make up whatever numbers they want. Toyota and GM are the only companies that were willing to standardize towing certification through the SAE. Ford was asked, and refused.
Here in South Africa the Ford Ranger is only offered in diesel, there’s no petrol options whatsoever, it’s highly frustrating.
The options are basically a 3.2 5-Cylinder turbo diesel, a 2.2 4-pot turbo diesel and even the new Raptor gets a friken 2.0 4-pot bi-turbo diesel. Dammit Ford!!!
I want to have many words with whoever is in charge of deciding what engines to offer here in SA.
I want at least one petrol option, heck I’d even settle for the 2.3 ecoboost from the Focus RS or Mustang.
But that new Ranger Raptor should at least have the 2.7 ecoboost.
I know it’s what the South African market wants, most people here buy diesel but they should at least have a petrol option for those of us like me who don’t want a friken diesel!
Dassd Schsdu Well then maybe when the Ranger finally lands in the US where you get decent petrol options you can ship me a nice ecoboost extra-cab and I’ll ship you back your 2.2 diesel single cab. Lol, The steering wheel will be on the other side, besides the fact it would cost an arm and a leg to ship if even possible with new vehicles.
I just wish car manufacturers would offer the same stuff to everyone everywhere, this is the problem when you have the bean counters who think they know what’s best for the market determine who gets what, just give everyone everything. I know it doesn’t make financial sense but man! what a nice world it would be.
You guys get many diesels that we cannot get. U.S. emission standards is the reason.
Your must not be a farmer.
Tf is a petrol?
James Franco lol. Gasoline
One thing that have always bothered me with the upgraded F150, Lariat, King Ranch and above and diesel in general, first is the console shifter. It was great when it first came out ten or so years ago, but really, with electronic shifting available in all Ford transmissions, do you really need a huge shifter that takes up room? No. Secondly, Everyone forgets the additional cost of DEF when averaging overall operational costs. When the original F250 first came out that had EPA mandated DEF, the gas tank in the short bed only held 20 gallons because of the space required to place a DEF reservoir. In order to get a larger tank, you had to have the 8 foot bed which was huge when considering that most trucks sold in that market is a Crew Cab configuration. The DEF also was a problem with people who did not drive the diesel on the highway, ROUTINELY, to be able to burn off the carbon in the muffler. I would assume that the 3.0 will have the same issues as the big daddy diesel in the 250’s and above.
The 2.7 Ecoboost is perhaps Ford’s best engine for the F150, PROVIDING, you don’t routinely tow heavy loads. It will get 21 to 23+ on the highway if you don’t drive with a heavy foot and use cruise control once you get to highway speed. Coupling the 2.7 and the 27 gallon gas tank, you can expect 450 to 520 miles per tank almost routinely particularly if you drive primarily highway driving. I believe the Ford’s lineup of available powerplants can be limited to the 2.7, 3.5, 3.5 super and that’s it. The diesel provides limited importance unless you put it in the entry level trucks, starting with the XL, where guys who actually use their trucks for work would derive a powerful benefit for towing and carrying heavy box loads.
Europe has been using a Ford diesel in their Ford cars for sometime, why isn’t a diesel more available in the USA for that application?
Mike, you could have addressed the longevity of Diesel versus Gasoline engines. It's an important consideration depending upon how the truck is going to be utilized. You DO know that diesel engines typically last two to three times longer than gasoline, right?
By the time you break it down you're saving about $12 a tank on gas if you drive reasonably and on the highway. Now $12 a tank sounds nice for most that could be an extra $30-40 saved a month, but you have to consider the DEF fluid you have to use ( I assume this truck needs DEF) and that oil changes are much more expensive in a diesel (usually double the cost). Then you also have to think about maintenance, fewer people work on diesels, they're more expensive in labor and parts, and simple things like diesels use two batteries, not just one. There's a lot more cost in the diesels and for the gains it gives they're not enough to make it better than a 3.5L in my opinion.
def is cheap.....$20 for 4,000 miles.
I figured Ford's answer to the EcoDiesel was the then new 2.7L EcoBoost. Now that Ford's released their own diesel I still think the 2.7L Eco makes more sense.
not mentioned was if there is a longevity advantage over a gas unit. the working truck and 5th wheel usage would be something to consider also.
All diesels can be modded for more power, and most are modded to greater levels of capability while still having good mileage. Diesel is just better. If you question it, look up diesel resale vs gas trucks.
Al Singleton Modded for more capability. No that's not how it works, Tune alone doesn't give you more power, sure they sell for more when they are older, but That's because it's a diesel, they don't make good diesels anymore, Just because you can blow black smoke out of your truck doesn't mean it's powerful. I used to have a JD Lawn mower that could do that. Was that powerful? No, Stock tune is perfect, and you don't see the older diesels with high miles have tunes do ya. Only the new ones that you see blown up and have issues.
jason9022 what do you know of my mechanical abilities? If you are stating I’m wrong, give me facts. There’s a pretty large diesel aftermarket that disagrees with you.
Tigglemeister where are you getting your facts? I drive a 2005 turbo diesel (is 13 years old old enough?) with the original motor and 240,000 miles on her (are those enough miles for you?) that has been modded (I never said tune alone) and is more reliable, powerful and economical than it was from the factory. I’m an adult who doesn’t “roll coal” and have owned my truck since new. Gas trucks have a much lower resale value (true again) and are generally sold off or traded in at 100,000-125,000 miles. Try a google search at the very least before you write without facts.
jason9022 waste of my time...
jason9022 For your Merc, how about a holset turbo (or the one we ripped off the oldsmobile) and a ported intake? Both of which were done on Car and Drivers' former test car BY MY DAD in the late 80's. You're thoughts are mostly rhetorical and not thoroughly correct. I will give you the idea that not ALL diesels gain HUGE, but even an old IDI benefits from a $650 turbo and some proper fuel delivery. Even historic tractors have turbo ability, mowers...not even important. To be clear, this WHOLE DISCUSSION FORUM is about the Value of a Ford TRUCK not a Merc, nor a tractor...
Ram 1500 does get 28 mpg in 4WD and crew cab. My Jeep Grand Cherokee gets 28 plus mpg. It makes no sense unless you are a diesel guy like I am. Nice review and things change when you see gas creep to 5 bucks a gallon...
bullshit.
Amazing hope quickly they axed this one. I have the 3.0L Duramax by GM and love it
I think it fills the void for those who want a diesel in an F150. It also fills the void for fuel economy while towing. That’s where this engine should shine.
. . you said it when you mentioned the diesel engine is available at lower trim levels only if you are a fleet operator . . thats the crux where an operator can save thousands of dollars over a year in fuel costs . . thats its true purpose, any sales to the general public are just icing on that cake . . and of course sales into Europe would grow exponentially with a diesel alternative . .
You made it very clear for me as a 2012 eco boost owner, I'm going with another eco boost . Thank you
You got a point. I would rather just stick with the regular eco boost gas version of platinum.
I’m gonna poke fun at you man...you keep talking about how hot and humid it is where you are, but yet the temp gauge in the truck said it was not. I saw 77 degrees. I wish my f250 would tell me it was only 77 outside.
If that is the temp outside where you are, consider yourself lucky.
So basically you can get a 3.5 at a lower trim, lower monthly payments and slighter cheaper fuel price but only at the cost of a few mpg? Doesn't really make sense to buy the little Power Stroke. And I loved the VW TDI I had! It was incredible! But what I was saving in fuel I was making up in the monthly loan payment.
I can’t wait to see you do a 2019 Ford Ranger review, Mike.
You didn't mention that a well cared for diesel engine can last a million miles plus.
just saw this since i'm in the market for a used 3.0 power-stroke. I can say that everything you said is true when referring to the numbers and if the 3.0 is even necessary however for me and i assume others that look for a diesel option in a truck is of-course for the immediate savings in fuel cost but also for longevity. Diesel engines once taken care of, will give you on average 3 to 400 mile usages compared to a gasoline engine which is on average 150 to 200 mile. I'm not saying that there aren't any gas engines with high mileage on the road, I'm just saying that the diesel engines seem to be more durable. I'm not an engineer so i can't say for sure why that is so but my guess is that it is the difference in the way the two combust. The diesel engines today are so much more quiet and efficient than those of yesteryear that there just isn't any comparison between a ford 3.0 deisel of today and lets say the mercedes OM617 diesel of the early 80's. Gasoline engines are efficient also but still lack that longevity. I would like you to include longevity and ownership period comparisons in your reviews and then we may see quite a difference in diesel engines. Just thought i'd add this little piece- As a boy growing up in the Caribbean i was exposed to diesel engines by way of the European market. The purchase model there at the time was quite different to the North American market. When we bought a vehicle it was for life. So most people, who didn't mind the smell and noise bought a diesel vehicle and had it for an average of 15 to 20 years depending on usage.
I really enjoyed your review and i think you have what many youtubers lack, simplicity.
just got home from a crazy fishing night to a new vid awesome man
That's one terrific looking Ford F-150 truck
Think this will benefit more out side of the us where diesel is cheaper than petrol
As a college student. Im definitely going to test drive that Ford. I may go for Raptor for summer 2019. Great video. :D
$60k is reasonable price. Not bad.
Rolling Coal !! LOL
How do you have money being in college? Parents money.
I wonder if Ford made this option to boost their overall mpg numbers and not really because of high demand.
JP mostly made it to catch up to ram 1500 eco diesel. And nissan 5.0L Cummins and chevy new 2019 Silverado 3.0L I-6
They need it to meet CAFE fuel mileage standards in the future.
Kinda lame that you can’t get the 3.0 Powerstroke without spending a fortune on an already over priced truck.
Not worth it.
This vehicle exists primarily to help the overall numbers for mpg in the lineup, in the real world there is a narrow use case for owning it. A hybrid will eventually make this configuration obsolete in my opinion
Forgot to add the argument for resale value and potential for longer engine longevity