Did you see Amorim at half time shaking his head in disbelief? Took him a mere 45 mins to realise these players are good in training but cant be arsed come matchday. Something ETH couldnt after 2.5 years. Please be ruthless Ruben dont hold back.
Erik knew that but just like amorim he can't do anything about it at the moment just like Erik did he needs another transfer window or two and more youth brought up in order to actually play his style 😒 otherwise in this manager job ain't no winning as a manager if you don't play counter attacking football the fans attack you or the players throw u under the bus and you sacked, if you do play counter attacking the fans attack you and the players throw you under the bus and u get sacked
British media built him up because they desperately wanted a young black British superstar...recently have done exactly the same with Trent. Both are good players, nothing more than that.
Ye Onana wouldn't of been able to sleep without praise from mark goldbridge. Onana said praise from the United stand is better than winning a major trophy
@@willyschitumba5914- Voight sounds like he has some personal issues. Henderson is a natural Gk, Onana isn’t? Why? Does Onana look like a natural striker? Can’t argue with people. A lesser GK? Was Henderson ever better than Onana was at Inter? Sounds like he has a bigger issue in society.
I think this exposes how delusional the Jim Ratcliffe hierarchy is. The worst part is that the fans will turn against the manager knowing how tough it is for him. They're impatient & ruthless.
those fans who can't even call out thier country men like : John mourtohr Richard Ronald Matt judge ed Woodward daren Fletcher. British people are so delusional thinking they know about the football but can't see thier own people not good enough but want to call out foreigners is weak mentality mind set.
Fair play to Mark and TUS for finally calling Rashford out, despite the grief he may get from that. It needed to be said, no more dancing around the subject.
We're paying superstar wages for very average players. Unsustainable. Rashford and Bruno wouldve been kicked out by Bayern Real Barca Liverpool etc YEARS AGO
Bruno kicked out? He's by far the highest IQ player in the squad and you want him out? He opened up space for Amad to run and assist. When he played on the left, we saw even more of Amad due to his cut inside passes. When he played in Eriksen's position, absolutely controlled the tempo like Morita does at Sporting. His key passes yesterday got screwed at the feet of the likes of Garnacho. Bruno has a tendency for Hollywood passes because it is indeed his forte to go for risky passes, but it became more frequent under EtH with the long ball style of play. Needs more time to let go some of that. This fanbase is venenomous. If you think Fernandes wouldn't be a squad player in any other major club you're ridiculous. His stats say otherwise, Portugal included. The man was even gesturing for folk around them to position themselves right throughout the game!
Bruno is barely above average and in decline. Comparing his skill set to his team mates elevates his status but he is sellable. He would not be a guaranteed starter on better teams.
Amorim looked really disappointed when he was on Sky after the match, and spoke so clearly and directly about where the players went wrong, even singling out particular players and the exact thing they failed to do. That was great to see, a boss who doesn't see the players as untouchable. If they can't accept critique and improve from it they're not professional enough for Amorim or the club.
@@JonathanB6023 and I think this is what people misunderstood about him when he said he defends his players. He defends his players from the media. He doesn't defend them blindly. He holds them to a very high standard and will call them out when they deserve it. What he doesn't tolerate is a media agenda around a player - even in his interview with Neville, he very rightly said that he cannot fault Rashford and Casemiro for taking 5 days off and travelling abroad, because that's what they were told and there were no conditions on it. He then called out the club and said it should do better in that regard. He calls it as he sees it, but he knows there's a time and place for criticism and protection. But there's massive emphasis on "his players," because he will find out very quickly who he can and cannot call his players from this current squad. Some players will be here for the journey, others will not be bothered to subscribe to it. Those aren't his players and he will quickly distance himself from them. You're under his wing or not, there's no in between.
Ruben has clearly said he would protect HIS players. WE as fans know the players don’t have it in them to defend the manager/coach with performances. As fans the most important thing we can do for the next few months is protect our new coach. Against other fans, media and some players. BACK RUBEN AMORIM.
previously he said he will defend anyone bought into the system, but that he won't for those who don't - many of these players don't and won't and he will not run to protect them...for good reason
Devil's advocate: Amorim picked Rashford yesterday in a prominent position expecting him to show himself up. And it worked. It showed to Amorim he can't play as a forward, it showed he doesn't have many qualities other than pace, and importantly it proved Amorim's belief that the Club giving a player 5 days to go away and not train, mid-season, loses their conditioning. That match showed Ruben everything he wanted and expected to learn.
I wasn't shocked by yesterday, just disappointed. I did expect a better performance with it being a new manager but it clearly shows that time is up for, at this current time, a majority of the squad.
When they're not good enough mate!..SMH am glad we never win the game because if we had won it would have covered up the real problem and then make statements about how the other managers wasn't good enough.
Mate you can’t do nothing with the ball if you don’t have it, try blaming it on the wingers and the midfield ,how do people like you don’t get that, obviously your football IQ needs some attention. 🤣🤣🤣
The only exception is amad but if he's gonna be wingback it's nit gonna work. Garnacho needs learn how to pass. Zirkskee is terrible hojlund isn't much better.
Around the 23 min mark, there was donation talking about to play a system that suits the players... NO !!! You need PLAYERS that SUIT the system, not the other way around. This was one of the biggest issues with previous managers. Stop accommodating players and start getting rid of the ones that aren't good enough. The manager knows the issues and knows how to solve them with time, but fans need to support him and stop "babying" these players.
Anyone saying to go away from the 3-4-3 of Amorim is ridiculous. Ineos went out and got him from Sporting knowing the formation he plays with and want him and that style here. If the players can’t do it they have to go. You can’t say for him to switch back to what the players are familiar with or like to play and let Amorim adjust to a formation he’s not used to. It’s the players that have to adapt now and if they can’t then they hopefully will be moved on by ineos.
@@FrancisOduori-n8q I agree it’s the players as well. Not just in his system but in the previous manager’s systems the players won’t or can’t do it whether it’s ability or effort. They need removing, have needed removing for years
@@felis1672He’s still worth a shout for a lot of pl teams, but only on a free or very low fee. I’d be surprised if any club would pay more than £25/30m for him. Even on a free they’re not going to pay him what he’s on. Maybe only PSG or a Saudi club.
Manchester United could not win their first match under Coach Ruben Amorim, not because of his tactics but because of the under par performances of many of the players. Rashford was a washout, Bruno didn't really come to the party, Luke Shaw was too cautious and Casemero was a mere passenger. I believe if Amorim is bold enough to try out his young charges such as Obi-Martins, Coolyer, Leny Yoro, things are going to be a lot better. Just you wait, the best is yet to come.
I was watching on a Spanish network and the commentators were so adamant that Amarion change the formation. I’m so glad he didn’t. Loved the exposure of the players that are not up to par
Lol some yall silly asf he's is more interested in basketball cause he flew to watch a game.... so what case more interested in Donald duck ??? Mark has a lot of yall brain wash ..and I bet if he changes his mouth which I bet he would so will u smh
@nicholascallender7973 I don't agree with mark with everything but rash had a new manager coming in and decides to go away for the 5 days, after getting a manager sacked he should be on the training ground
Yea the Bruno hate is laughable, the only actual footballer we have. I genuinely believe it’s Rashford’s PR that’s generating all this Bruno is crap nonsense.
@@THATBOINEONyou don’t watch Bruno! He is so bad! The manager basically called him out with his hoof balls! If you rate Bruno as our sole creator then you are part of the problem
AMORIM let ALL the players show him their profile. He's bold enough to call a spade a spade. INEOS should back him and find ways to get rid of the rubbish and get others to progress.
Bro ten hag saw how weakly minded they were with constructive criticism. The media were told that he was mentally abusing players while he only wanted a high mentality and standards. That's why he kept lying to us all to not get even more abused by the media and let down by those player's.
Rashford seems to be covered in Teflon none of the criticism about him or the team seems to stick to him or affect him in any way he just doesn't seem to care
Nah man he is just scared of Rashford pr hence he facking hit you with stats 😂😂 And put hazard in same sentence as Rashford 😂😂 hilarious We all watching UA-cam because we get genuine reactions...not that crap what is legacy media..
The players don't take their jobs seriously. You can see some players trying for 90mins, doing what they can. But most of them are pretending they care. They care about their salaries.
Bruno’s interview was very revealing. He does not give off the vibe of a leader. He did not seem bothered there was a new manager at all. Completely saw this result coming.
But if ineos can't see what is going on at this club but still telling the new manager he needs to get the best out of these players then the cycle continue with the glazzers incharge
If anyone blames the manager going forward, you have zero idea what you're saying. It's about time we start blaming these players on the pitch. They need to take accountable for their actions. Enough is enough these players are not good enough whatsoever. Even if you had the best staffing and manager they still will be playing like that.
Watching the players in the last ten minutes showed Amorim all he needs to know about the drive, fight and determination that is lacking in this squad. We looked like we were frightened of losing. When the going gets tough you need players to step up to the plate and all I saw was players passing it to someone else to make something happen. They looked frightened of losing the game. Gonna be a long road ,but listening to Amorim I certainly like what I'm hearing from him.
That is was exactly the same job that he did on Sporting. He got a lot o rubbish players, but when he got to beggining of the season, he put good players on the pitch, and we Saw the Diference.. and he os not affraid of bringing the Youth... Hang with the guy.. Youth Will get results
Give some credit to keiran Maguire... he knows these United players inside out and took full advantage to exploit thier weaknesses on the pitch and it worked! 👍🇬🇧
Bodø Glimt has beaten Porto (h) and Braga (a) in EL this season. You can safely say they are not that bad. Of course we should win, but no walk in the park.
I’m not shocked at all Mark. Against Ipswich Rashford and Bruno were definitely found out and must improve or ship out . Of course Erickson,Casemiro, and vans won’t be 5her3 for long we all understand this.
Manchester United dont press, dont run... in portuguese league they fight to win the ball until someone is on the ground or win the ball... im suprised because it was my first time i watched a full Manchester United match because of Amorin, and i was stunned because they dont fight for the ball and Amorin was desapointed too...
You nailed it in yesterday's post game show Mark, as you said the players tried the new system for a bit and decided that they were not having it. I would have thought the players would wanted to run through a brick wall for Amorim, they didn't.
I wish we would’ve won yesterday but I’m not as upset as I normally would be after a loss or draw. I’m glad it was so quick that he sees what the players are like. He gets a good look right away at what he has and what won’t work in his system. Just hope Ineos can have the balls to listen to him on players that need to go
*The bottom line is we are an average team at best. We need to stop lying to ourselves. We're not a top six team nevermind a top four. We're a mid table team. There is so many players that still need to go. Rashford, Casemiro, Eriksen, Lindelof, Evans, etc. I've already seen people commenting Amorim out. Those fans need to go as well. Sick of the toxicity. Sick of one of the biggest clubs in the world being run by clowns. It's an absolute shxt show! The best thing that could've happened, happened yesterday. The players had nowhere to hide. I don't know how many times I saw Amorim with his head in his hands, or shaking his head. Change is needed and Amorim and his team need to be allowed to make the changes they want... But I won't hold my breath!*
What is it about Rashford and getting picked every game? I remember a quote from Benni saying that Rashford does well during training sessions and for some reason can't replicate it during games. Just something to think about...
That suggests Rashford cannot play under pressure and has a weak in-game mentality. He would be better off in a lower half premier league or championship team as that is his level.
I'm predicting that is in his contract, that he needs to play a certain number of games and start a certain number of games. His contract is bullet proof.
I’ve been saying this for years we have players who are on the contract before the contract. Meaning what they are on is what they should be on on their next contract if they deliver week in week out.
Picking Casemiro and Eriksson in he midfield together was a mistake, if he had gone with Ugarte instead of Eriksson it would have been more solid, the new front system will take time but it's putting round pegs in square holes, Amorim just needs to get through a few transfer windows before he has the players he needs, it was a bad game but at least Amorim knows what he is looking at now and what he needs going forward, the season is a write off, we just need to forget about it and let the guy rebuild.
Its not the managers fault how we play, it was not ETH fault its they players who isnt good enough, brave enough, smart enough and lazy, but what is the managers fault is defending this players, being stubborn and keeping favorites and im excited to see if Amorim is finally destroying favorites fc. But lets see if Ineos is just business men like Glazers or Sir Jim actual care for the club and truly support the manager, and it starts in January, and about players leaving, i would get ride of Maguire Lindelof Evans Shaw Casemiro Eriksen Antony Mount Rashford Zirkzee, still a entire team, and players like Garnacho isnt a starter he is a squad player who need to develop and get better, even Bruno i love him, but he getting old and is so frustrating sometimes, and we need to start to look at his replacement.. WIRTZ!
In an ideal world I agree all those players do need to go but most of them have contracts which are keeping them at the club and won’t go fingers crossed ineos grow some and put them up for sale
@davidfleming7569 Yeah, but if they dont wont to leave because they need to take a salary cut or whatever, we need to say public there Arent part of the plans and isnt allowed with the first team! Being ruthless! They do it in other clubs. We need to do it too.
No manager or coach should be told to play certain players to get the best out of them and because we can’t sell them, we are screwed. Ineos will have to back Amorim and let him get rid of the players who can’t do what he wants .
Mark left out the most important part Amorim said, he also said they were over thinking out there and this will take time, it will be some bad times ahead and he will be rotating the roster alot in the coming games...so buckle up and support the manager.
What does everyone still say about Nani? "Inconsistent, not good enough". Nani had 0.53 G/A per game in the Premier League. Rashford has a 0.43 G/A per game in the Premier League. Why do we tolerate depreciating mediocrity under the guise of so-called brand power? Brand power is someone who can give you high G/A, that is a brand.
IF Amorim keeps playing Rashford or any of the players out of form he’s finished before he starts ,rinse repeat ..I’m sick of these managers being told they have to play these overpaid failures .
Let’s not use the term ‘at the moment’ anymore. Rashford can be called out as not being good enough and he really needs to go. Amorim made a few mistakes he won’t make again I guarantee it. Eriksen and Casamero cannot share the same midfield. Garnacho looked lost in his position, Zirkzee doesn’t have a future and I simply just don’t know about Bruno anymore. So much more to do! It’s all on INEOS now!
IMO Rashford is done. I thought this for a while now. He’s been praised as world class for years and years but he’s average at best. He won’t be able to accept being a sub or anything like that cuz it’s been in his head now for so long that he’s the top talent at the club. It’ll be a tough pill to swallow for him to accept it that other players are better in this system and he’s basically redundant
Did anybody else notice that Bruno looked very ineffective yesterday in a more controlled system that requires us to keep the ball rather than try the Hollywood passes he has built a career doing
Yes, i couldn't agree more. it's the players who are the problem. Sacking managers is useless. Solution, very easy. give the manager a contract that outlives all the players. So if player with the longest contract is 4 years for example, you give the manager 5 years and the liberty to sell all of them or not extend their contract. that way the manager will have the power, note that he also needs the backing from the club. you get rid of certain players and things will improve. they have an undeserved wage. they have a wage of elite players and if you put them in the championship most of them would fail.
Sell bruno and keep who ? Mount? , bruno is one of the best midfielders in the world he’s struggling because the team is shite ,he needs good players around him
May b keep Bruno but i get it rest see u go .. and zirk shud neva play again hes worse than them all and his pass the blame mentality hes basis black pennywise
Amorim said in his interview that he’s naive. He said if he see a player playing for the club,he will know and if he see a player not playing for the club he will make that decision before he lose his job
Every game is always about Rashford. What was that midfield doing yesterday? Rashford and Garnacho have the same number of Premier League goals due to the lack of service from the midfield.
I agree with you Mark, these players lack creativity and you can't give what you don't have. What should happen is, if they can't be sold, their wages can be re negotiated. There is nothing that says you should continue to pay for underperforming work. It's a two way thing: if you work very hard you renegotiate and ask for higher wages. If you don't, then your wages go down. We do that in my company and many others in the business world and Football is a business!
Some of this fanbase is too reactionary nowadays they only want quick success which isn’t realistic some of them needs to wake up and accept that Ruben Amorim isn’t Harry potter or the wizard of ozz that can turn us into a top 4 contender and competing in all cups in a short space of time this is not the 90s or 2017 anymore football has changed now. The good news is Ruben Amorim is focused on building a style of play this season rather than sacrificing style of play and focusing on results Ruben said himself “I want us to get us playing properly now otherwise we will be in the same situation next season” you can’t sacrifice style of play and just focus on grinding results that’s damaging long term
its so simple to fix these deadend players DO NOT PLAY THEM & TELL THEM THEY WILL NOT BE PICKED FOR THE FIRST TEAM make them train & let them SACK THEMSELVES get there agents to get THEM OUT
Amorim gave everyone game time in the Ipswich game and he will have learnt that there are a select few players who will work extremely hard in the new system. The others are surplus to requirements and need to be benched or sold on.
Did you know that the last time we were good under ETH was when Casemiro was outstanding and everything changed when he got that red card against Palace, United never looked the same since.
Difference is you could see a shape and a formation and glimpses of what could be with amorim but with eth 3yrs and i still had no clue what football we were trying to play! All i got for eth era is that he didnt try to score goals he wanted his gk and cbs to be the playmakers 🤯
Rashford is an average player who's in decline and doesn't have a poistion in the new set up . Cant hold the ball up or pin a defender. Passings never been good and his pace has declined . What do the people at the club see.
Why are some People love criticism. Amorim just came and put in a massive show at United now we are complaining for what! Amorim will change our player mentality they have been behaving like an infant
Ten Hag was put down because he said he couldn't apply the Ajax system...you know why! Because he didn't have the players for that! Amorim cannot implement his system properly because he does not have the players to implement the system properly. This group cannot properly run the two systems, if Amorim has done his homework...he already knew that! If the results are not forthcoming, he will have to adjust it to prevent worse! I would just sell Bruno, Rasford, Delot, Shaw and a few more, otherwise you'll keep firing coaches.
It amazes me how people still think a new manager is what is needed to revive certain players. A 27yr old can't suddenly start being "world class" because another man believes in him.
Amorim already said it, and players should at least have tried a bit with the new 3-4-3, having new coaches debut and new ideas! I agree with u, & used to day it it's the players not acting professional and playing for big team like united! Some already gave up(casimero,"Erikson"), and Rushford not a quality player as we had thought he is!
Guna be alot of pain but we need to look long term. Alot of these players will not be here. But he needs time by winning. And that's the hard part. He's the man i know he is. He has my full support.
Did you see Amorim at half time shaking his head in disbelief? Took him a mere 45 mins to realise these players are good in training but cant be arsed come matchday. Something ETH couldnt after 2.5 years. Please be ruthless Ruben dont hold back.
Agreed 👍
Benny McCarthy said the same about United players. They give 120% at training, but come match day they don't look the same.
@@info0 why do you think they do that, mentality issues??? Cause idk anymore
Erik knew that but just like amorim he can't do anything about it at the moment just like Erik did he needs another transfer window or two and more youth brought up in order to actually play his style 😒 otherwise in this manager job ain't no winning as a manager if you don't play counter attacking football the fans attack you or the players throw u under the bus and you sacked, if you do play counter attacking the fans attack you and the players throw you under the bus and u get sacked
Nonsense
RASHFORD ain't world class,his wages are.
Never has been
Rashford is not even streetclass😂
Never has been
British media built him up because they desperately wanted a young black British superstar...recently have done exactly the same with Trent. Both are good players, nothing more than that.
Never has been
Respect for giving Onana his praise. Looks like a strong character and he's having a great season 👏
Onana finally had a good game. Nothing special. MU kicked Henderson, a natural goalkeeper, and invested 50 million for a lesser Onana.
@@voightkampff7399 What are you talking about? Onana has been great the whole season.
@@willyschitumba5914 Onana performed reasonable/good not great! Yesterday as well, good work nothing special.
Ye Onana wouldn't of been able to sleep without praise from mark goldbridge. Onana said praise from the United stand is better than winning a major trophy
@@willyschitumba5914- Voight sounds like he has some personal issues. Henderson is a natural Gk, Onana isn’t? Why? Does Onana look like a natural striker? Can’t argue with people. A lesser GK? Was Henderson ever better than Onana was at Inter? Sounds like he has a bigger issue in society.
If it's true that Amorim has been told he needs to get the best out of Rashford and he's agreed to that we're even more finished than I thought.
I think this exposes how delusional the Jim Ratcliffe hierarchy is. The worst part is that the fans will turn against the manager knowing how tough it is for him. They're impatient & ruthless.
what if marcus has a guarantee clause. no one in England will admit it, deny it or ask about it.
Rashford should been gone many years ago....
@Junior-llll no we've seen what amorim is all about I really hope us the fans will turn on the players before even looking at the manager
those fans who can't even call out thier country men like :
John mourtohr Richard Ronald Matt judge ed Woodward daren Fletcher.
British people are so delusional thinking they know about the football but can't see thier own people not good enough but want to call out foreigners is weak mentality mind set.
Fair play to Mark and TUS for finally calling Rashford out, despite the grief he may get from that. It needed to be said, no more dancing around the subject.
Knowing he's living up the ass of rashford mate.
We're paying superstar wages for very average players. Unsustainable. Rashford and Bruno wouldve been kicked out by Bayern Real Barca Liverpool etc YEARS AGO
I wouldn't say average, you're gonna have to come up with something better than that 😂
Bruno kicked out? He's by far the highest IQ player in the squad and you want him out? He opened up space for Amad to run and assist. When he played on the left, we saw even more of Amad due to his cut inside passes. When he played in Eriksen's position, absolutely controlled the tempo like Morita does at Sporting. His key passes yesterday got screwed at the feet of the likes of Garnacho. Bruno has a tendency for Hollywood passes because it is indeed his forte to go for risky passes, but it became more frequent under EtH with the long ball style of play. Needs more time to let go some of that.
This fanbase is venenomous. If you think Fernandes wouldn't be a squad player in any other major club you're ridiculous. His stats say otherwise, Portugal included. The man was even gesturing for folk around them to position themselves right throughout the game!
@@trailoffiendsyea the Bruno hate is nothing but Rashford’s PR. Bruno would walk into any team. He’s literally the only baller we have.
Bruno is barely above average and in decline. Comparing his skill set to his team mates elevates his status but he is sellable.
He would not be a guaranteed starter on better teams.
Bruno is bang average. United will win nothing with bruno and rashford.
Amorim looked really disappointed when he was on Sky after the match, and spoke so clearly and directly about where the players went wrong, even singling out particular players and the exact thing they failed to do. That was great to see, a boss who doesn't see the players as untouchable. If they can't accept critique and improve from it they're not professional enough for Amorim or the club.
@@JonathanB6023 and I think this is what people misunderstood about him when he said he defends his players.
He defends his players from the media. He doesn't defend them blindly. He holds them to a very high standard and will call them out when they deserve it. What he doesn't tolerate is a media agenda around a player - even in his interview with Neville, he very rightly said that he cannot fault Rashford and Casemiro for taking 5 days off and travelling abroad, because that's what they were told and there were no conditions on it. He then called out the club and said it should do better in that regard. He calls it as he sees it, but he knows there's a time and place for criticism and protection.
But there's massive emphasis on "his players," because he will find out very quickly who he can and cannot call his players from this current squad. Some players will be here for the journey, others will not be bothered to subscribe to it. Those aren't his players and he will quickly distance himself from them. You're under his wing or not, there's no in between.
Ruben has clearly said he would protect HIS players.
WE as fans know the players don’t have it in them to defend the manager/coach with performances.
As fans the most important thing we can do for the next few months is protect our new coach. Against other fans, media and some players.
BACK RUBEN AMORIM.
previously he said he will defend anyone bought into the system, but that he won't for those who don't - many of these players don't and won't and he will not run to protect them...for good reason
Devil's advocate: Amorim picked Rashford yesterday in a prominent position expecting him to show himself up. And it worked. It showed to Amorim he can't play as a forward, it showed he doesn't have many qualities other than pace, and importantly it proved Amorim's belief that the Club giving a player 5 days to go away and not train, mid-season, loses their conditioning. That match showed Ruben everything he wanted and expected to learn.
well said
Also showed Ineos the players is crap and shouldnt be here
Exactly my thoughts too
It showed that Rashford doesn't even have the pace anymore
Well said but I think rashford has even lost pace too. He needs to go crap mentality
I wasn't shocked by yesterday, just disappointed.
I did expect a better performance with it being a new manager but it clearly shows that time is up for, at this current time, a majority of the squad.
When they're not good enough mate!..SMH am glad we never win the game because if we had won it would have covered up the real problem and then make statements about how the other managers wasn't good enough.
It’s ipswitch have shame
@@andyradford4574 hopefully he won't play Casimiro with Erickesen again
Football IQ exactly what I’ve been saying for years. Our young attackers lack creativity. Our experienced attackers lack accountability.
I've been saying this for years before you
Well said
Mate you can’t do nothing with the ball if you don’t have it, try blaming it on the wingers and the midfield ,how do people like you don’t get that, obviously your football IQ needs some attention. 🤣🤣🤣
Iv been saying this from before I was born
The only exception is amad but if he's gonna be wingback it's nit gonna work. Garnacho needs learn how to pass. Zirkskee is terrible hojlund isn't much better.
Rashford smiling at the end talking to an opposition player says it all, he doesn't care enough
He can only play for united
He cares alot for his paycheck.
That was the Ipswich first team coach Lee Grant, who was a United player and Rashfords teammate for 4 seasons
@@ChrisBeevor0511glad you said it. People love to just make things bigger thane they’re 🫤
@@ChrisBeevor0511not arsed if he was chatting to his mother after that game, the grin and blasé attitude after that performance isn’t acceptable
Around the 23 min mark, there was donation talking about to play a system that suits the players... NO !!! You need PLAYERS that SUIT the system, not the other way around.
This was one of the biggest issues with previous managers. Stop accommodating players and start getting rid of the ones that aren't good enough. The manager knows the issues and knows how to solve them with time, but fans need to support him and stop "babying" these players.
Scares me how many fans don’t think about that, and they always seem to have the loudest voices
If the club continues with the Rashford/Bruno star making branding project, this club will languish around 6th-10th place forever.
😊😊
Rashford maybe Bruno definitely not
Anyone saying to go away from the 3-4-3 of Amorim is ridiculous. Ineos went out and got him from Sporting knowing the formation he plays with and want him and that style here. If the players can’t do it they have to go. You can’t say for him to switch back to what the players are familiar with or like to play and let Amorim adjust to a formation he’s not used to. It’s the players that have to adapt now and if they can’t then they hopefully will be moved on by ineos.
Naive reasoning. It's not the system. It's the players . Not good AT ALL.Period.
You still have over half a season to play. 343 is not going to work with these players, they're too lazy and will get opened up by better opposition
@@FrancisOduori-n8q I agree it’s the players as well. Not just in his system but in the previous manager’s systems the players won’t or can’t do it whether it’s ability or effort. They need removing, have needed removing for years
At this point i don’t mind Amorim using youth players from the academy all through
Rashford World Class ?? Bottom line he's not even an International Footballer and has not been for a long time now, Let that sink in !!!!
I don't think he could get a game at any premier league team barring Utd, still waiting for him to become 'good'.
@@felis1672He’s still worth a shout for a lot of pl teams, but only on a free or very low fee. I’d be surprised if any club would pay more than £25/30m for him. Even on a free they’re not going to pay him what he’s on. Maybe only PSG or a Saudi club.
Rashford is a 🤡 player
Look even Ipswich's Delap played more aggressively than him.
Amorim said before game players need to work hard, rashford was walking when should have been pressing high up. He needs to go now
He walked for 95% of the game
Manchester United could not win their first match under Coach Ruben Amorim, not because of his tactics but because of the under par performances of many of the players. Rashford was a washout, Bruno didn't really come to the party, Luke Shaw was too cautious and Casemero was a mere passenger. I believe if Amorim is bold enough to try out his young charges such as Obi-Martins, Coolyer, Leny Yoro, things are going to be a lot better. Just you wait, the best is yet to come.
Every story has 2 sides cant wait in 3yrs when Erik speaks out about what was happening
Love that onana took the hate last season and turned it into motivation. He is really upping his shot stopping and starting to save us like dave
Couldn't of gone any better yesterday. Amorim saw the real utd and exactly what he's working with.
I was watching on a Spanish network and the commentators were so adamant that Amarion change the formation. I’m so glad he didn’t. Loved the exposure of the players that are not up to par
Just sell Rashford to NBA, he's more interested in basketball instead of football anyway
Lol some yall silly asf he's is more interested in basketball cause he flew to watch a game.... so what case more interested in Donald duck ??? Mark has a lot of yall brain wash ..and I bet if he changes his mouth which I bet he would so will u smh
@@nicholascallender7973and u want to keep someone who don't even want to be here anymore???? I believe you're the one who got brain issue
Well said@@nicholascallender7973
@nicholascallender7973 I don't agree with mark with everything but rash had a new manager coming in and decides to go away for the 5 days, after getting a manager sacked he should be on the training ground
@nicholascallender7973 you're a moron if you think Rashford is anymore than an overpaid mercenary
Bruno Rashford Casemiro laughing their way to an early retirement.
Bruno is not the problem let’s be for real.
Yea the Bruno hate is laughable, the only actual footballer we have. I genuinely believe it’s Rashford’s PR that’s generating all this Bruno is crap nonsense.
@@THATBOINEONyou don’t watch Bruno! He is so bad! The manager basically called him out with his hoof balls! If you rate Bruno as our sole creator then you are part of the problem
@@ethanjaworski0677he is part! Rashford Bruno Shaw Case! This is the rotten core we need them out!
AMORIM let ALL the players show him their profile. He's bold enough to call a spade a spade. INEOS should back him and find ways to get rid of the rubbish and get others to progress.
Welbeck was better than rashford
Still is
He was on 70k a week
😂Foreal.. He was way more active which is all I really want from rashford.. Energy
Elanga was better than rashford let alone welbeck
lvg biggest mistake! Wish he was still here
Amorim told the truth after the game, whereas Ten Hag contradicted what our eyes had just seen during the match
Ten Hag was straight forward and honest at the beginning. Let’s see what happens to Amorim in a year or so.
@@shanet5324spot on. That's exactly what made me so positive about Ten Hag first. Hopefully he is ruthless and kicks out the deadwood
Bro ten hag saw how weakly minded they were with constructive criticism. The media were told that he was mentally abusing players while he only wanted a high mentality and standards. That's why he kept lying to us all to not get even more abused by the media and let down by those player's.
Rashford seems to be covered in Teflon none of the criticism about him or the team seems to stick to him or affect him in any way he just doesn't seem to care
Just my opinion but I recon he’s a leak, therefore earning protection from certain media outlets and personnel 🫣 - all my own speculation!
well hes british not foreign
Goldbridge had no problem calling Maguire shite but when it comes to Rashford geezer walking on the egg shells...😂😂🤡🤡
Hes moved away from being like that.
Nah man he is just scared of Rashford pr hence he facking hit you with stats 😂😂
And put hazard in same sentence as Rashford 😂😂 hilarious
We all watching UA-cam because we get genuine reactions...not that crap what is legacy media..
Couldn’t agree more .. rashford has gotten a free ride on this channel and other media outlets for years 🤷🏻♂️
@@eazye31what PR team?
Don't take on the pr rashford machine!
Rashford is a Darren Bent, please don't insult Darren Bent as he was actually clinical!
Na man he's more Black weghorst
@@tarmaskhalifa871Don't disrespect weghorst he was hardworking
Bent over Rashford all day long
The players don't take their jobs seriously. You can see some players trying for 90mins, doing what they can. But most of them are pretending they care. They care about their salaries.
Bruno’s interview was very revealing. He does not give off the vibe of a leader. He did not seem bothered there was a new manager at all. Completely saw this result coming.
Totally agree with the glad Amorin saw what he saw with the current team 👍
Agree with what you’re saying, the reality is half of the team needs to be sold.
But if ineos can't see what is going on at this club but still telling the new manager he needs to get the best out of these players then the cycle continue with the glazzers incharge
Issue is how ??? Fans won't wait ten minutes nevermind ten games
If anyone blames the manager going forward, you have zero idea what you're saying. It's about time we start blaming these players on the pitch. They need to take accountable for their actions. Enough is enough these players are not good enough whatsoever. Even if you had the best staffing and manager they still will be playing like that.
Watching the players in the last ten minutes showed Amorim all he needs to know about the drive, fight and determination that is lacking in this squad. We looked like we were frightened of losing. When the going gets tough you need players to step up to the plate and all I saw was players passing it to someone else to make something happen. They looked frightened of losing the game.
Gonna be a long road ,but listening to Amorim I certainly like what I'm hearing from him.
That is was exactly the same job that he did on Sporting. He got a lot o rubbish players, but when he got to beggining of the season, he put good players on the pitch, and we Saw the Diference.. and he os not affraid of bringing the Youth... Hang with the guy.. Youth Will get results
You can't state the rashford stats because he had one amazing season that distorts reality. He is lazy, ego too big and just isn't good enough
Give some credit to keiran Maguire... he knows these United players inside out and took full advantage to exploit thier weaknesses on the pitch and it worked! 👍🇬🇧
Kieran McKenna shurely?..
The University of Liverpool Accounting and Finance faculty bringing all their intellectual firepower to bear and Utd can't cope? Fair enough.
@@Viva15thBrigada surely
Who's Kieran Maguire??🙄👹
@mickfoskett6629 Haha your right its Mckenna brain not engaged properly! 🤪👍🇬🇧
Bodø Glimt has beaten Porto (h) and Braga (a) in EL this season. You can safely say they are not that bad. Of course we should win, but no walk in the park.
Rashford, Casemiro , shaw , Eriksen, Maguire, lindelof are some players I can name off the top of my head that need to leave
At least we could see a system for the first time in years along with using subs when needed....
What system are you on a drink.
I’m not shocked at all Mark.
Against Ipswich Rashford and Bruno were definitely found out and must improve or ship out .
Of course Erickson,Casemiro, and vans won’t be 5her3 for long we all understand this.
Manchester United dont press, dont run... in portuguese league they fight to win the ball until someone is on the ground or win the ball... im suprised because it was my first time i watched a full Manchester United match because of Amorin, and i was stunned because they dont fight for the ball and Amorin was desapointed too...
So basically what Mark was saying in this video in short is Ricky has been right this entire time and most of these players aren’t good enough 🤷♂️
Looks like mark got Saul goodman as his lawyer. He's going all out on rashford this fine morning
Deservedly so.... Everyone is entitled to an opinion
Did you comment before his Casemiro dissection?
😂 better call Saul.
I can assure you Amorim doesn't think Rashford is Mbappe. I'd be very surprised if Eriksen, Rashford and Casemiro start next match.
Keep Onana, Mazroui, DeLigt, Yoro, Ugarte, Bruno, Mainoo, keep for the bench…Martinez, Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund…sell the rest!
You nailed it in yesterday's post game show Mark, as you said the players tried the new system for a bit and decided that they were not having it. I would have thought the players would wanted to run through a brick wall for Amorim, they didn't.
I wish we would’ve won yesterday but I’m not as upset as I normally would be after a loss or draw. I’m glad it was so quick that he sees what the players are like. He gets a good look right away at what he has and what won’t work in his system. Just hope Ineos can have the balls to listen to him on players that need to go
There is not one single player in our squad that deserves more than £200k a week. Not a chance.
Ricky has been right all along. He should be beside you every show from now on
*The bottom line is we are an average team at best. We need to stop lying to ourselves. We're not a top six team nevermind a top four. We're a mid table team. There is so many players that still need to go. Rashford, Casemiro, Eriksen, Lindelof, Evans, etc. I've already seen people commenting Amorim out. Those fans need to go as well. Sick of the toxicity. Sick of one of the biggest clubs in the world being run by clowns. It's an absolute shxt show! The best thing that could've happened, happened yesterday. The players had nowhere to hide. I don't know how many times I saw Amorim with his head in his hands, or shaking his head. Change is needed and Amorim and his team need to be allowed to make the changes they want... But I won't hold my breath!*
Exactly! We have to be honest with ourselves. Is our squad better than Villa, spurs, Brighton etc? Player brand is distorting our eyes.
What is it about Rashford and getting picked every game? I remember a quote from Benni saying that Rashford does well during training sessions and for some reason can't replicate it during games. Just something to think about...
That suggests Rashford cannot play under pressure and has a weak in-game mentality. He would be better off in a lower half premier league or championship team as that is his level.
I'm predicting that is in his contract, that he needs to play a certain number of games and start a certain number of games. His contract is bullet proof.
Yeah get rid of him
He said that of the whole squad not just rashford. Something has to give soon.😊
I’ve been saying this for years we have players who are on the contract before the contract. Meaning what they are on is what they should be on on their next contract if they deliver week in week out.
Picking Casemiro and Eriksson in he midfield together was a mistake, if he had gone with Ugarte instead of Eriksson it would have been more solid, the new front system will take time but it's putting round pegs in square holes, Amorim just needs to get through a few transfer windows before he has the players he needs, it was a bad game but at least Amorim knows what he is looking at now and what he needs going forward, the season is a write off, we just need to forget about it and let the guy rebuild.
And evans and rash and garnacho zirk shud neva play again so bad
Didn't the south americans come later than others from intl. break maybe that's why he didn't start ugarte and martinez wasn't even on the bench
@@Assh__141 Maybe but I would rather have started Ugarte in that position for 45 - 60 minutes than Eriksson to be honest.
Its not the managers fault how we play, it was not ETH fault its they players who isnt good enough, brave enough, smart enough and lazy, but what is the managers fault is defending this players, being stubborn and keeping favorites and im excited to see if Amorim is finally destroying favorites fc. But lets see if Ineos is just business men like Glazers or Sir Jim actual care for the club and truly support the manager, and it starts in January, and about players leaving, i would get ride of Maguire Lindelof Evans Shaw Casemiro Eriksen Antony Mount Rashford Zirkzee, still a entire team, and players like Garnacho isnt a starter he is a squad player who need to develop and get better, even Bruno i love him, but he getting old and is so frustrating sometimes, and we need to start to look at his replacement.. WIRTZ!
In an ideal world I agree all those players do need to go but most of them have contracts which are keeping them at the club and won’t go fingers crossed ineos grow some and put them up for sale
@davidfleming7569 Yeah, but if they dont wont to leave because they need to take a salary cut or whatever, we need to say public there Arent part of the plans and isnt allowed with the first team! Being ruthless! They do it in other clubs. We need to do it too.
No manager or coach should be told to play certain players to get the best out of them and because we can’t sell them, we are screwed. Ineos will have to back Amorim and let him get rid of the players who can’t do what he wants .
Mark left out the most important part Amorim said, he also said they were over thinking out there and this will take time, it will be some bad times ahead and he will be rotating the roster alot in the coming games...so buckle up and support the manager.
Best hing for Amorim to say publicly " Fernandes is not in my plans going forward "
Really enjoyed your talk on the Webby O'Neil channel. Learnt so much about you
What does everyone still say about Nani? "Inconsistent, not good enough".
Nani had 0.53 G/A per game in the Premier League. Rashford has a 0.43 G/A per game in the Premier League.
Why do we tolerate depreciating mediocrity under the guise of so-called brand power? Brand power is someone who can give you high G/A, that is a brand.
Amad and mount need to play as the 10’s
McTominay (off the bench) was better at scoring goals than Rashford. (Not that we should've kept Scott.)
IF Amorim keeps playing Rashford or any of the players out of form he’s finished before he starts ,rinse repeat ..I’m sick of these managers being told they have to play these overpaid failures .
Let’s not use the term ‘at the moment’ anymore. Rashford can be called out as not being good enough and he really needs to go. Amorim made a few mistakes he won’t make again I guarantee it. Eriksen and Casamero cannot share the same midfield. Garnacho looked lost in his position, Zirkzee doesn’t have a future and I simply just don’t know about Bruno anymore. So much more to do! It’s all on INEOS now!
IMO Rashford is done. I thought this for a while now. He’s been praised as world class for years and years but he’s average at best. He won’t be able to accept being a sub or anything like that cuz it’s been in his head now for so long that he’s the top talent at the club. It’ll be a tough pill to swallow for him to accept it that other players are better in this system and he’s basically redundant
Wish Amorim will bench him so he will force a move in Jan loool
Rashford , dalot, casemiro, eriksen, rasmus , zirkzee all need to go
Did anybody else notice that Bruno looked very ineffective yesterday in a more controlled system that requires us to keep the ball rather than try the Hollywood passes he has built a career doing
Yes, i couldn't agree more. it's the players who are the problem. Sacking managers is useless. Solution, very easy. give the manager a contract that outlives all the players. So if player with the longest contract is 4 years for example, you give the manager 5 years and the liberty to sell all of them or not extend their contract. that way the manager will have the power, note that he also needs the backing from the club. you get rid of certain players and things will improve. they have an undeserved wage. they have a wage of elite players and if you put them in the championship most of them would fail.
RashBINho
Bruno
Eriksen
Casemiro
Evans
Maguire.
Lindelof
Shaw
All those need to go !! I'll take my chances with Garnacho.
Sell Dalot as well.
Sell bruno and keep who ? Mount? , bruno is one of the best midfielders in the world he’s struggling because the team is shite ,he needs good players around him
May b keep Bruno but i get it rest see u go .. and zirk shud neva play again hes worse than them all and his pass the blame mentality hes basis black pennywise
List should be longer mate
also Rashford and give Bruno his last chance
Amorim said in his interview that he’s naive. He said if he see a player playing for the club,he will know and if he see a player not playing for the club he will make that decision before he lose his job
I have no doubt that Ratcliffe / INEOS will sanction the transfer of players who are not good enough.
Every game is always about Rashford. What was that midfield doing yesterday? Rashford and Garnacho have the same number of Premier League goals due to the lack of service from the midfield.
I agree with you Mark, these players lack creativity and you can't give what you don't have.
What should happen is, if they can't be sold, their wages can be re negotiated. There is nothing that says you should continue to pay for underperforming work. It's a two way thing: if you work very hard you renegotiate and ask for higher wages. If you don't, then your wages go down.
We do that in my company and many others in the business world and Football is a business!
Rashford is an average player who is only overhyped because he’s English, get rid of him ffs!!
Great to see Shaw back and hopefully he can stay fit till the window opens and we can maybe ,just maybe get rid off, that includes norushford
I watched your live yesterday and I couldn’t believe the amount of people saying Amorim out it’s a joke!
I can't help but nod and agree with everything you're saying.
The roster needs a good cleanout that's for sure.
Amorim needs his own players to suit his new formation & system
Some of this fanbase is too reactionary nowadays they only want quick success which isn’t realistic some of them needs to wake up and accept that Ruben Amorim isn’t Harry potter or the wizard of ozz that can turn us into a top 4 contender and competing in all cups in a short space of time this is not the 90s or 2017 anymore football has changed now. The good news is Ruben Amorim is focused on building a style of play this season rather than sacrificing style of play and focusing on results Ruben said himself “I want us to get us playing properly now otherwise we will be in the same situation next season” you can’t sacrifice style of play and just focus on grinding results that’s damaging long term
I’m old school, I’m afraid… I’ve never rated Rashford as highly as most fans.
its so simple to fix these deadend players DO NOT PLAY THEM & TELL THEM THEY WILL NOT BE PICKED FOR THE FIRST TEAM make them train & let them SACK THEMSELVES get there agents to get THEM OUT
Amorim gave everyone game time in the Ipswich game and he will have learnt that there are a select few players who will work extremely hard in the new system. The others are surplus to requirements and need to be benched or sold on.
Did you know that the last time we were good under ETH was when Casemiro was outstanding and everything changed when he got that red card against Palace, United never looked the same since.
It feels great, this is exactly what needed to happen, these players look like a retired charity squad.
Difference is you could see a shape and a formation and glimpses of what could be with amorim but with eth 3yrs and i still had no clue what football we were trying to play! All i got for eth era is that he didnt try to score goals he wanted his gk and cbs to be the playmakers 🤯
Rashford is an average player who's in decline and doesn't have a poistion in the new set up . Cant hold the ball up or pin a defender. Passings never been good and his pace has declined . What do the people at the club see.
Why are some People love criticism. Amorim just came and put in a massive show at United now we are complaining for what! Amorim will change our player mentality they have been behaving like an infant
Ten Hag was put down because he said he couldn't apply the Ajax system...you know why! Because he didn't have the players for that! Amorim cannot implement his system properly because he does not have the players to implement the system properly. This group cannot properly run the two systems, if Amorim has done his homework...he already knew that! If the results are not forthcoming, he will have to adjust it to prevent worse! I would just sell Bruno, Rasford, Delot, Shaw and a few more, otherwise you'll keep firing coaches.
Worth keeping:
Onana, Martinez, De Ligt, Mazraoui, Yoro, Mainoo, Ugarte, Amad, Hojlund.
The rest are duffers.
Absolutely agree
We can keep Casemiro he just needs players around him who aren’t shite
The Rashford analysis was spot on. He's painfully overrated and has fallen off massively since ETHs first season
I’ve been saying for years that Rashford isnt the player that people think he is. A good player at best, but more average
Half of the players must go already, Anthony. Rashford, Erickson, Shaw,
I have been saying it for years. Rashford is Theo Walcott.
It amazes me how people still think a new manager is what is needed to revive certain players. A 27yr old can't suddenly start being "world class" because another man believes in him.
Amorim already said it, and players should at least have tried a bit with the new 3-4-3, having new coaches debut and new ideas! I agree with u, & used to day it it's the players not acting professional and playing for big team like united! Some already gave up(casimero,"Erikson"), and Rushford not a quality player as we had thought he is!
The day manchester united sells rashford is the day we become a serious club
Guna be alot of pain but we need to look long term. Alot of these players will not be here. But he needs time by winning. And that's the hard part. He's the man i know he is. He has my full support.