The zero issues were one of the first things I ever owned and read from Batman. For a 7 year old kid it was almost impossible to collect comics in order in Argentina, you just purchased wathever issue was available at the stands. That crash course on Batman history meant the world to me, like a bible. To this day, I think that four issues (shadow of the bat 0, detective 0, batman 0 and robin 0) are a great way to start reading the bat. Each has its own mini adventure with the flashbacks telling the history of the characters inserted. I was a fan of the 60s series and never heard of Bruce's training, I never knew there were three different Robins, and so on. But these comics made me a batman fan for life.
Qué loco que hayas tenido esa experiencia, yo de chico ni trataba de leer los cómics porque no tenía manera de descubrir cual era la continuidad. Veía Justice League y Batman Beyond más que nada 😂
@@tomasclutterbuck2038 bueno yo al haber visto todas las pelis, la serie animada, la serie de los 60, eso me dio dos cosas. Una fue los elementos basicos de la mitologia del personaje. Y lo otro era que batman no era uno solo. Podia ser oscuro, otro podia ser mas colorido, otro podia ser mas detective. Pero este comic era mi biblia
DC should simply stop needing to reset the continuity of its series and focus on stories that don't need to do it. Although I liked New52, I find that the continuous rectification of the past of its characters is a lack of respect for those who have always been there and have always read their stories.
I'm glad that around this time Barbra was a supporting character in Batman again. I have no idea why Oracle was a member of the Suicide Squad. Look I don't know who I'm making upset with this claim but Barbra being on the Suicide Squad makes no sense to me. It's one thing to have characters on different teams then where they originated from, but what grinds my gears is when DC and Marvel for some bizarre reason want to take a character away from where they originated and have that character want nothing to do with where they originated and put them in places that make no sense for them to be in.
I didn't know Zero Hour had such a reputation, all the changes in the continuity for me are just unnecessary. Great video Mr. Salazar, I'm really looking for Prodigal because I love Dick Grayson as Batman.
Zero Hour happened at the perfectly wrong time. Bruce just came back as Batman after Dicks turn as Batman, we were all itching for Bruce to kick ass, then Zero hour boringness happened
This is arguably where the aesthetics peaked. Notice how Dick's robin didn't look weird with Tim Drake, yet still there is a "modern touch" to the current designs? *Sigh* This is why I prefer older comics.
@@benc77 I prefer specifically when they colored the blue as bright, and the grey as really dark. Like the ras al ghul cover (where he's like a big green background thing and Batman and Robin are in the foreground). Even in his first appearence Batman is supposed to be wearing black, but there's no reason it can't be colored as blue. Like Spider-Man 2099.
Robin vol 2 #10 is bittersweet considering the time when it came out because Dick was fun loving in his early years as Robin, but during Dicks last few years as Robin and his first several years as Nightwing Dick was a real A**Hole.
I'm not a big fan of post-Crisis comics, so when this series came out I was too biased to give it a try. Unfortuntaley, years later when I bought a bunch (before realizing there were way too many to try for more) for just 50c each it didn't improve my opinion. Some great panels, like Time Trapper's destruction. But nothing drew me in and even disrespectful to the JSA. The only issues I liked were ones you touched on, the Superman with many art styles of Batman (loved the 1939 Batman's reaction to modern music), the Golden Age Alfred (starting right off the bat with the cover) and to a degree the multiple Robins one. I also liked to a degree the Superboy issue with the pre-Crisis Superboy (young Clark Kent). the Catwoman issue would have been a winner too if they'd used that mirror panel as the cover and focused on that idea (various incarnations of her) as the theme. I mean how would the Golden Age one have reacted to her double being a hooker? Or the Earth-1 version finally learning that on Earth-Two she in a way had a daughter with Batman? So much potential.
This whole storyline was a loveletter to the old Batman stories from the Golden Age and Silver Age, I really love that DC Comics cares about their past too
The Zero Hour Batman stuff is easy to look over. I usually skip them if I'm reading continuity, but will go over them if I'm reading the Zero Hour story. And like most tie in gimmicks DC tried launching several titles that spun out of the event. Most were easily forgotten but there's always one title that actually turns out good. For Zero Hour that amazing title was STARMAN. I admit that I overlooked it when it was originally published. But I read the series a few years ago, and it was incredible. Probably one of the best comic series from the 90s. A few years prior DC had the Bloodlines gimmick, and the awesome series HITMAN came out of that. And I liked that book was set in the "rough" side of Gotham City. I loved his interactions with Batman. Thanks Salazar! I'm excited to get back to the regular Batman series. Prodigal is next, that was a decent storyline.
I haven’t read the main Zero Hour event but I quite like the tie-ins and #0 issues for the Bat titles. What are your thoughts on making the killer of Bruce’s parents unknown? Can’t wait to see you cover Prodigal!!
Great mini. Made me a DC fan again with the sort of story that made me a BA fan. And, no, Crisis was not about fixing continuity. That is a lie. You mean to believe that a fan letter (which had never surfaced or been credited to anyone) caused a company to risk its bottom line via a three year plan that led to an 85 to 86 maxi series? The truth is DC almost was shut down by WB in 82. WB was thinking of renting out publishing rights (not selling the company, that is likewise a myth). Marvel almost got those rights. But Kahn clearly wanted a risk to save her job and the company. Obviously, the plan was to double down on the experimental (Moore, Miller, et al) and make everything else Diet Marvel (Kents = Parkers) (Lex Luthor = Kingpin). Or in some cases, do the opposite (Aquaman's Silver Age origin had to go because it was too much like Namor's) Continuity was the tool, not necessarily the endgame in and of itself. As for Zero Hour, it follows easily. I don't know what to tell you, Salazar. Parallax aka Hal Jordan is remaking time. The one thing that makes no sense was the outcome of Batman being an urban legend. (Not to mention Green Arrow being 49 years old).
I will admit the idea of an alternate timeline of Killing Joke to be actually a unique idea. Likewise with the Alfred idea towards Alan Grant writing in a Golden Age vibe with modern art. But yeesh that was a very bumpy ride.
Hey salazar, I found out something a week or so ago. Remember when you covered Superman Speeding Bullets and how that story was "What if Superman was Batman"? Well I found out that Superman Speeding Bullets wasn't the first time that idea was explored. The first time it was explored was in "Superman #363" from 1981. There was a back up story in that issue titled "The night life of Bruce Superman Wayne" That story had which explored what would happen if Superman had landed in Gotham.
A lot of the comics I read first (Hush, Bruce Wayne Murderer) leaned heavily on the "unknown murderer of Batman's Parents" thing, which had some positives, but I generally prefer it to be a random mugging gone wrong, no deeper meaning, as the random tragedy of it makes it a lot more powerful than a conspiracy or assassination.
This event was also meant to drive a wedge between Superman and Batman, cleanup Hawkman's backstory, and switch Monarch with Extant. This was pretty underwhelming
Salazar have you read robin and batman by jeff lemire and dustin nguyen.post note did you heard about the batman killing time miniseries by tom king and david marquez.post note 2 did you heard about the new batman/superman world's finest comic series by mark waid and dan mora.post note 3 did you heard about the batman the knight limited series by chip zdarsky.
Personally, I really like the retcon of the Wayne's muderer not being Joe Chill but a unknow thief since it makes Bruce decision to protect his city rather than just wanting to find his parents muderer much more complex, because, in this case, he don't see the responsible for his parents death as one specific individual but part of a larger problem, the criminal underworld, which pushes him into wanting to be a vigilante, not to just find the guy who ruined his childhood but to fight against any type of criminal like him.
Myself I don't really care, weather it's Chill or a nameless thug it still bares the same point no matter who it is. Regardless if he's named or not the result of him suffering from a tragedy and becoming Batman is still the same.
100% agree, with one caveat: I like to think even with the retcon, it _was_ still Chill - it was just Batman never found out. There was a _Batman Adventures_ issue around a decade later which dealt with that.
@@jakeproven256 Yeah, although thaving the criminal being unknow does help to sell the idea that crime is not just one specific bad guy, but part of bigger and dark world, justiifying why Bruce doesn't just simple decide to go on a revenge against one villain, but choosing any type of criminal
I actually disagree. Precisely because Batman getting the murder of his parents but afterwards still deciding to stay Batman shows that it stopped to be about just the murder of his parents its about prevent any form of Crime that could lead to such outcomes and highlights that Batman is ultimately a agent of Justice and not of Vengeance. Something Joe Chills original story actually highlighted perfectly in its ending were Batman after in a fit of rage revealing his identity of Bruce Wayne to Joe still decides to let him life because he is about morals and killing him would make him as bad as Joe. Meanwhile does Batman's identity stay a secret because the other nameless criminals Joe ask for help let there rage takeover and kill Joe before he could reveal Batman's identity.
I don't think Zero Hour was that bad, I mean if you want an example of a horrible DC crossover event look no further than Final Crisis, that was bulls&*t. Besides if you think about without Zero Hour we wouldn't have The Long Halloween and instead have Year two. Edit: As for Batman dying in Zero Hour it seems that he was cannon fodder but was gonna be brought back immediately at the end. I can tolerate that but I can't tolerate Batman's horrid treatment in Final Crisis and the next two years to follow that.
Man, comics are waaaay too complicated. Why cant the plot be self contained per issue like in the cartoons? Batman could die in one issue but appear completely fine in the next. They made it too hard to follow man.
The zero issues were one of the first things I ever owned and read from Batman. For a 7 year old kid it was almost impossible to collect comics in order in Argentina, you just purchased wathever issue was available at the stands. That crash course on Batman history meant the world to me, like a bible. To this day, I think that four issues (shadow of the bat 0, detective 0, batman 0 and robin 0) are a great way to start reading the bat. Each has its own mini adventure with the flashbacks telling the history of the characters inserted. I was a fan of the 60s series and never heard of Bruce's training, I never knew there were three different Robins, and so on. But these comics made me a batman fan for life.
Qué loco que hayas tenido esa experiencia, yo de chico ni trataba de leer los cómics porque no tenía manera de descubrir cual era la continuidad. Veía Justice League y Batman Beyond más que nada 😂
@@tomasclutterbuck2038 bueno yo al haber visto todas las pelis, la serie animada, la serie de los 60, eso me dio dos cosas. Una fue los elementos basicos de la mitologia del personaje. Y lo otro era que batman no era uno solo. Podia ser oscuro, otro podia ser mas colorido, otro podia ser mas detective. Pero este comic era mi biblia
These comics of.batman where my first when i was a Child, and i loved so much
Did Batman go into the flashpoint universe before it even technically existed ? That would be a weird coincidence
DC should simply stop needing to reset the continuity of its series and focus on stories that don't need to do it. Although I liked New52, I find that the continuous rectification of the past of its characters is a lack of respect for those who have always been there and have always read their stories.
I'm glad that around this time Barbra was a supporting character in Batman again. I have no idea why Oracle was a member of the Suicide Squad. Look I don't know who I'm making upset with this claim but Barbra being on the Suicide Squad makes no sense to me. It's one thing to have characters on different teams then where they originated from, but what grinds my gears is when DC and Marvel for some bizarre reason want to take a character away from where they originated and have that character want nothing to do with where they originated and put them in places that make no sense for them to be in.
I didn't know Zero Hour had such a reputation, all the changes in the continuity for me are just unnecessary. Great video Mr. Salazar, I'm really looking for Prodigal because I love Dick Grayson as Batman.
Prodigal is extremely good, it's a pity it's not as remembered anymore due to it coming right after KnightFall.
Zero Hour happened at the perfectly wrong time. Bruce just came back as Batman after Dicks turn as Batman, we were all itching for Bruce to kick ass, then Zero hour boringness happened
This is arguably where the aesthetics peaked. Notice how Dick's robin didn't look weird with Tim Drake, yet still there is a "modern touch" to the current designs? *Sigh* This is why I prefer older comics.
Fr I loved the blue and Grey Batman and when comics were just more colourful in general
@@benc77 I prefer specifically when they colored the blue as bright, and the grey as really dark. Like the ras al ghul cover (where he's like a big green background thing and Batman and Robin are in the foreground). Even in his first appearence Batman is supposed to be wearing black, but there's no reason it can't be colored as blue. Like Spider-Man 2099.
i actually OWN superman the man of steel no.37! neat stuff
It was good for 8 year old me that did not know the entire canon of the universe.
Robin vol 2 #10 is bittersweet considering the time when it came out because Dick was fun loving in his early years as Robin, but during Dicks last few years as Robin and his first several years as Nightwing Dick was a real A**Hole.
I'm not a big fan of post-Crisis comics, so when this series came out I was too biased to give it a try. Unfortuntaley, years later when I bought a bunch (before realizing there were way too many to try for more) for just 50c each it didn't improve my opinion. Some great panels, like Time Trapper's destruction. But nothing drew me in and even disrespectful to the JSA. The only issues I liked were ones you touched on, the Superman with many art styles of Batman (loved the 1939 Batman's reaction to modern music), the Golden Age Alfred (starting right off the bat with the cover) and to a degree the multiple Robins one. I also liked to a degree the Superboy issue with the pre-Crisis Superboy (young Clark Kent). the Catwoman issue would have been a winner too if they'd used that mirror panel as the cover and focused on that idea (various incarnations of her) as the theme. I mean how would the Golden Age one have reacted to her double being a hooker? Or the Earth-1 version finally learning that on Earth-Two she in a way had a daughter with Batman? So much potential.
This whole storyline was a loveletter to the old Batman stories from the Golden Age and Silver Age, I really love that DC Comics cares about their past too
Very interesting the changes they made in Zero Hour. I never knew that they brought back classic Alfred. 😂
Looking forward to your next video.
The Zero Hour Batman stuff is easy to look over. I usually skip them if I'm reading continuity, but will go over them if I'm reading the Zero Hour story. And like most tie in gimmicks DC tried launching several titles that spun out of the event. Most were easily forgotten but there's always one title that actually turns out good. For Zero Hour that amazing title was STARMAN. I admit that I overlooked it when it was originally published. But I read the series a few years ago, and it was incredible. Probably one of the best comic series from the 90s. A few years prior DC had the Bloodlines gimmick, and the awesome series HITMAN came out of that. And I liked that book was set in the "rough" side of Gotham City. I loved his interactions with Batman. Thanks Salazar! I'm excited to get back to the regular Batman series. Prodigal is next, that was a decent storyline.
I believe in zero hour superboy prime
"punches reality to escape the paradise deminsion" lol
Only good thing was Batgirls "return."
here's The Thing... I liked that 😅
I haven’t read the main Zero Hour event but I quite like the tie-ins and #0 issues for the Bat titles. What are your thoughts on making the killer of Bruce’s parents unknown?
Can’t wait to see you cover Prodigal!!
I might have to keep this question for a future Q&A.
Great mini. Made me a DC fan again with the sort of story that made me a BA fan. And, no, Crisis was not about fixing continuity. That is a lie. You mean to believe that a fan letter (which had never surfaced or been credited to anyone) caused a company to risk its bottom line via a three year plan that led to an 85 to 86 maxi series? The truth is DC almost was shut down by WB in 82. WB was thinking of renting out publishing rights (not selling the company, that is likewise a myth). Marvel almost got those rights. But Kahn clearly wanted a risk to save her job and the company. Obviously, the plan was to double down on the experimental (Moore, Miller, et al) and make everything else Diet Marvel (Kents = Parkers) (Lex Luthor = Kingpin). Or in some cases, do the opposite (Aquaman's Silver Age origin had to go because it was too much like Namor's) Continuity was the tool, not necessarily the endgame in and of itself. As for Zero Hour, it follows easily. I don't know what to tell you, Salazar. Parallax aka Hal Jordan is remaking time. The one thing that makes no sense was the outcome of Batman being an urban legend. (Not to mention Green Arrow being 49 years old).
And DC Not fixing hawk man canon only making it worse
I will admit the idea of an alternate timeline of Killing Joke to be actually a unique idea. Likewise with the Alfred idea towards Alan Grant writing in a Golden Age vibe with modern art. But yeesh that was a very bumpy ride.
Also noticed Batman on C64 in the background
Neat, ain't it?
@@SalazarKnight Yeah I remember AVGN review of Batman games that was the first one he covered
Hey salazar, I found out something a week or so ago. Remember when you covered Superman Speeding Bullets and how that story was "What if Superman was Batman"? Well I found out that Superman Speeding Bullets wasn't the first time that idea was explored. The first time it was explored was in "Superman #363" from 1981. There was a back up story in that issue titled "The night life of Bruce Superman Wayne" That story had which explored what would happen if Superman had landed in Gotham.
Zéro hour is the best mid-life crisis EVER, I love Parallaxe Hal for giving me Warrior Guy, the reboot Legion and having killed the smurfs.
A lot of the comics I read first (Hush, Bruce Wayne Murderer) leaned heavily on the "unknown murderer of Batman's Parents" thing, which had some positives, but I generally prefer it to be a random mugging gone wrong, no deeper meaning, as the random tragedy of it makes it a lot more powerful than a conspiracy or assassination.
Great video, as always! This is the era when I first started buying comics as a kid, I am beyond excited for what’s up next!
This event was also meant to drive a wedge between Superman and Batman, cleanup Hawkman's backstory, and switch Monarch with Extant. This was pretty underwhelming
5:52 DC ain't dirt for this. Y'all had my boy grinning just to yank the rug out from under him. Again. 😭😭😭
you are so underrated!
Salazar have you read robin and batman by jeff lemire and dustin nguyen.post note did you heard about the batman killing time miniseries by tom king and david marquez.post note 2 did you heard about the new batman/superman world's finest comic series by mark waid and dan mora.post note 3 did you heard about the batman the knight limited series by chip zdarsky.
I have heard about all of them, but I have not check them out yet.
You doing Batman video's is pure joy, and you did this on my birthday and i thank you
I'm glad that you finally continue to the main timeline after a little break after knightfall😅 King of the Batman comics!
Great video!
nice video my friend. clear me a lot of confusing concepts that i had with this event.
Love all the videos you have made! You got me back to the batman comics again, and the batman animated series.
That's awesome!
Barb x Bruce is a NO
I loved Zero Hour when it was happening. It still holds a special place in my heart but I can understand why someone will not like it
I’m glad you’re back. Keep them coming.
WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE COVER THE STORY WHEN BATMAN WAS ROBIN AND BRUCE WAYNE MET SUPERBOY AS THE FLYING FOX.
ASMR Retro covered Detective Comics #0 on his channel.
11:21 "the worst was the treatment they did to Batman" AND the justice society
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3:03 ¿DC realmente está opsecionado con eso no?
Personally, I really like the retcon of the Wayne's muderer not being Joe Chill but a unknow thief since it makes Bruce decision to protect his city rather than just wanting to find his parents muderer much more complex, because, in this case, he don't see the responsible for his parents death as one specific individual but part of a larger problem, the criminal underworld, which pushes him into wanting to be a vigilante, not to just find the guy who ruined his childhood but to fight against any type of criminal like him.
Myself I don't really care, weather it's Chill or a nameless thug it still bares the same point no matter who it is. Regardless if he's named or not the result of him suffering from a tragedy and becoming Batman is still the same.
100% agree, with one caveat: I like to think even with the retcon, it _was_ still Chill - it was just Batman never found out. There was a _Batman Adventures_ issue around a decade later which dealt with that.
@@jakeproven256 Yeah, although thaving the criminal being unknow does help to sell the idea that crime is not just one specific bad guy, but part of bigger and dark world, justiifying why Bruce doesn't just simple decide to go on a revenge against one villain, but choosing any type of criminal
@@JLRules It works in either way
I actually disagree.
Precisely because Batman getting the murder of his parents but afterwards still deciding to stay Batman shows that it stopped to be about just the murder of his parents its about prevent any form of Crime that could lead to such outcomes and highlights that Batman is ultimately a agent of Justice and not of Vengeance.
Something Joe Chills original story actually highlighted perfectly in its ending were Batman after in a fit of rage revealing his identity of Bruce Wayne to Joe still decides to let him life because he is about morals and killing him would make him as bad as Joe. Meanwhile does Batman's identity stay a secret because the other nameless criminals Joe ask for help let there rage takeover and kill Joe before he could reveal Batman's identity.
5:36 is the storyline of Flashpoint.
🦇🦇🦇
I don't think Zero Hour was that bad, I mean if you want an example of a horrible DC crossover event look no further than Final Crisis, that was bulls&*t. Besides if you think about without Zero Hour we wouldn't have The Long Halloween and instead have Year two. Edit: As for Batman dying in Zero Hour it seems that he was cannon fodder but was gonna be brought back immediately at the end. I can tolerate that but I can't tolerate Batman's horrid treatment in Final Crisis and the next two years to follow that.
MUST AGREE ZERO HOUR WAS BAD EXCEPT FOR ALFRED STORY.
The 1950s bat mobile is terrible
Zero Hour was great
Hey Salazar are you going to cover Hush or Under the Red Hood?
Yes, someday we will get to those stories.
@@SalazarKnight nice. Always look forward to seeing a notification for your new vids
Well, at least it's better than the New 52.
2:59 you got that in the killing joke film
Please stop asking for it
Man, comics are waaaay too complicated. Why cant the plot be self contained per issue like in the cartoons? Batman could die in one issue but appear completely fine in the next. They made it too hard to follow man.
Because they aren't for children.