One of the biggest problems with contemporary higher education is the insistence on quoting large numbers of references which means almost nobody reads entire books and therefore rekies on quotes or other peoples summaries of their works and main points.
According to Strauss, reductio ad Hitlerum is a form of ad hominem, ad misericordiam, or a fallacy of irrelevance. The suggested rationale is one of guilt by association. It is a tactic often used to derail arguments because such comparisons tend to distract and anger the opponent. Reductio ad Hitlerum - Wikipedia
Before WW1, not that odd a phenomena, especially west of Poland. Another interesting character is Franz Rosenzweig and his book The Star of Redemption, where he makes a analytic philosophical case for God, Judaism and Christianity with Islam and Atheism being the odd men out. He posits that Christianity and Judaism need each other to survive. This book was enough to make me rethink Bolshevism. I now think that Leftism manipulates ALL identities and ALL ethnic groups and the tragedy of the European Jews is that they were the first ethnic out group to be captured and manipulated by Leftism. And historically they have paid a massive price for this association.
My primary problem with Strauss is that he interprets every philosopher in the same way. Every philosopher, except a handful of extremely religious ones which are ignored by Straussians, were nihilistic atheists who did not believe in morality. In other words, every philosophy agrees with what the Straussian himself believes. Straussians claim that only they do the "careful reading" of old philosophers, but that isn't true anymore. And when every philosopher "esoterically" agrees with you about everything, I start to wonder whether they aren't just imposing their own beliefs on the texts.
Yes, this is the big danger or caveat about Straussian perspectives. Making of it a panacea or gimmick. That said, there are indeed philosophers (e.g. Machiavelli, Spinoza) who are best understood through the tools of Straussian close reading.
this is strange. i never took a class on Nietzsche, just read/listened to his books a zillion times, he is clearly not on the left. I got to try and learn about left interpretations of Nietzsche now .......
your slapdash dismissal of carl schmitt is not up to your own proclaimed standards of philosophying...( by the way, schmitt is for hundred years a world-event, while strauss ist just of interest to americans digesting their politics since the seventees)
i don't think it is right to say we should disregard the politics of the followers of a thinker, they are a type of evidence that can help point to the likely implications of following that thinker.
Strauss is against liberal democracy may it be conservative or liberal leaning. His si called followers are in favor of it. Hence they can not be real followers.
If your country is "an idea" or belief in a creed and people reject that but you have no mechanism to exclude them from political power they can take over your system. Of course, this is why the the Straussian classical liberals lost to bio leninism
I'd absolutely love to hear a regular monthly pol phil discussion between you two.
leo strauss got his recomendation for his first trip out of germany from carl schmitt (adviser to the rockefeller stipemds in germany...)
What a fantastic deep dive conversation, thank-you very much gentlemen. 👏👏👏👏
One of the biggest problems with contemporary higher education is the insistence on quoting large numbers of references which means almost nobody reads entire books and therefore rekies on quotes or other peoples summaries of their works and main points.
Leo Strauss belongs to 1200AD along with al-farabi and rambam. His "esoteric" shananighans are just mere lofty pretensions in the modern world.
Did Strauss read Giovanni Gentile? Did he have an opinion on Neo-Hegelianism?
Let's Gooooo!!!
According to Strauss, reductio ad Hitlerum is a form of ad hominem, ad misericordiam, or a fallacy of irrelevance. The suggested rationale is one of guilt by association. It is a tactic often used to derail arguments because such comparisons tend to distract and anger the opponent.
Reductio ad Hitlerum - Wikipedia
Strauss sounds like a fascinating man. A conservative Jew - wow. Even E Michael Jones might have to pause.
Before WW1, not that odd a phenomena, especially west of Poland.
Another interesting character is Franz Rosenzweig and his book The Star of Redemption, where he makes a analytic philosophical case for God, Judaism and Christianity with Islam and Atheism being the odd men out. He posits that Christianity and Judaism need each other to survive. This book was enough to make me rethink Bolshevism. I now think that Leftism manipulates ALL identities and ALL ethnic groups and the tragedy of the European Jews is that they were the first ethnic out group to be captured and manipulated by Leftism. And historically they have paid a massive price for this association.
My primary problem with Strauss is that he interprets every philosopher in the same way. Every philosopher, except a handful of extremely religious ones which are ignored by Straussians, were nihilistic atheists who did not believe in morality. In other words, every philosophy agrees with what the Straussian himself believes. Straussians claim that only they do the "careful reading" of old philosophers, but that isn't true anymore. And when every philosopher "esoterically" agrees with you about everything, I start to wonder whether they aren't just imposing their own beliefs on the texts.
Yes, this is the big danger or caveat about Straussian perspectives. Making of it a panacea or gimmick.
That said, there are indeed philosophers (e.g. Machiavelli, Spinoza) who are best understood through the tools of Straussian close reading.
this is strange. i never took a class on Nietzsche, just read/listened to his books a zillion times, he is clearly not on the left. I got to try and learn about left interpretations of Nietzsche now .......
If you exalt Dionysus over Apollo, you are on the left.
@@patrickklepacki4077Not so easy to say
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your slapdash dismissal of carl schmitt is not up to your own proclaimed standards of philosophying...( by the way, schmitt is for hundred years a world-event, while strauss ist just of interest to americans digesting their politics since the seventees)
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Defending liberalism?
Seriously?
i don't think it is right to say we should disregard the politics of the followers of a thinker, they are a type of evidence that can help point to the likely implications of following that thinker.
Strauss is against liberal democracy may it be conservative or liberal leaning. His si called followers are in favor of it. Hence they can not be real followers.
Are the neocons making a comeback or what?
Yes, this time in Russia
There is no legitimate defence for the misguider. He was against the Holy Spirit. Pthyi. INRI X
If your country is "an idea" or belief in a creed and people reject that but you have no mechanism to exclude them from political power they can take over your system. Of course, this is why the the Straussian classical liberals lost to bio leninism