HEY GUYS! I have been going through and updating old videos. If you want me to do it to this one please let me know. ALSO, don't forget to DOWNLOAD my free thyroid resources (foods to eat/avoid, the complete list of optimal thyroid lab tests, how to find a thyroid doctor, and more) HERE: www.restartmed.com/start-here/
I followed your advise my RT3 dropped from 24 to 14 in eight weeks and my thyroid results are getting more close to normal I am feeling much better I have been watching your videos and have learned a lot I asked my doctor to prescribe according to this information Game changer THANK YOU FROM HERE TO THE MOON 🙌🏻
Really solid video. We started looking into my wife’s health several years ago due to all the symptoms of hypo but normal TSH. Boy was that rabbit hole. This video encapsulates everything we learned in that time and I’m happy to report my wife was able to overcome high reverse T through NDT. This lead to increased energy which lead to working out more regularly and focusing on healthy clean eating. Mostly meat and fruit.
May I ask, did she had high or low T3 and T4? I'm having normal TSH, T3 and T4, but high reverse T3. And tons of hypo symptoms. Thinking about NDT to lower reverse T3
Let me add I have extreme fatigue, low metabolism, eat healthy won't lose weight, headaches, body aches ER blood tests showed low red blood cells, bigger than normal, low white blood cells, and low platelets but was not even told. I have researched myself. Also found out I have MTHFR GENE and two of the same c677T variants. She also never addressed this and I know it's a big deal. I feel im doing the work my doctors should be doing.
Do you take “methylated B12” & “methylated folate”? Copper/zinc & vitamin D levels checked? Good luck! About to see my third edocrinologist. Having hard time finding a doctor that cares. Hope you get better.
A year ago I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer, about a 5cm mass was found on the right side of what used to be my thyroid. February of last year I had a partial thyroidectomy. When the results came back, they came back positive for Cancer (3rd Stage). In June I had the remaining thyroid removed and in October I had a small round of radiation. Since this whole nightmare started I have been on levothyroxine, started at 175mcg and now I am at 150mcg. It's been a roller coaster ride, feeling tired, moody x 3, depressed, you name it I have felt it. I have seen two endocrinologist one was very aggressive needed a second opinion. My current Endo refused to run the test that Dr. Childs has recommended to be done. I feel like I did when I got my first operation, so tired, moody, no motivation. My blood test results are not in range, they are all over the place. But again my doctor says to me, "No they are normal". This is not normal. This is not who I am and I want to feel normal. Don't know what to do anymore. I started the supplements that Dr. Childs recommends a week ago, I hope to see some kind of change. Take care everyone, be safe.
I hope you found another doctor. I wasted so much time with a doctor who simply wouldn't listen and only ran TSH. I'm doing better now that I found a doctor who runs all the tests I need. It took a while but I hope you find one too.
I also gone through the exact same thing ..it's been since 2012 and finally after many doctors , I found the one ..Please don't settle with one doctor or 2 .I felt horrible and I knew something was wrong ..Doctors would say the same thing..Your numbers are "normal "but I feel awful how is that possible,.had all those symptoms and more ,They didn't care to do further test so I ditch them and went with outside doctor and Yes ..He did a complete thyroid lab test and check my Rt3/ T3 and they were definitely off ..Kaiser won't do any other lab test other than the basic TSH. We need to check all the rest..I hope you find the doctor that will take the time to do the right test and you start feeling better once again ..
Thank you- hypo with flagged high IG-E Immunoglobulin Antibodies. I take three grain NDT, have used LDN 1.5 mg to come out of thyroid storm post black mold exposure, we lost almost everything. I had systems of organ failure beginning. 25 doctors did not know how to treat this- Southern California; THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE SO MANY PHYSICIANS REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT IT. I'M SO SICK OF being sick, fat, and walking infection control with Hashimotos.
Glad I saw this! My current thyroid MD isnt checking much and I'm always sick, constant weight gain, always cold etc and have an appt with a new MD and will mention this!
No to both. I did do a lifestyle change for 2 months, nothing progressed and still never lost the weight. I’m too selective with veggies so I could never go vegan. I do follow a lot of holistic thyroid doctors and some have said gluten free doesn’t always work either. I prob need to do a Dutch test honestly!
Another pioneer doctor named Westin! So kewl. I was feelin amazing at 70 and got covid which I think tweaked my thyroid. Thx for this great info! will get reverse t3 checked soon.
ummmmm. Im seventy and never dieted yet.. Very active instead. No scripts In paxt 25 yrs sept one round of antibiotics and pain meds for toothaches or injuries. t
I am going on Cytomel because I am post ablation graves disease, and Levo has got my TSH in range but has never done anything else for me. T3 still low, Rt3 still high, and yes I have insisted on having these markers done because my doctor didnt understand why I would want them. Its nice to know taking T4 can increase my Rt3 altogether, so I am excited to try Cytomel. Thanks for the enlightening information. I am on a holistic path the past year and my life is in check basically other than figuring out this thyroid puzzle (Im 27 btw). Obviously I regret getting my thyroid ablated and if I hadnt I am sure I could of reversed my autoimmunity through lifestyle changes. I do intermittent fasting from any where of 16 to 20 hours a day (recently 20) and I basically eat at dinner for a few hours as I take my time. I have a huge appetite and have always been able to absolutely slam food. Back in the day I ate 6 meals a day because I was so into the bodybuilding bro science. Until I realized how inflammatory and stupid that was, I started intermittent fasting. Can intermittent fasting in general increase RT3? I NEVER intentionally calorie restrict because I basically have had a bottomless pit throughout my late teens into my 20's till now with graves. But I DO eat paleo and whole foods now (past year). I eat extremely nutrient dense foods, I will smash some potatoes or squash and fruits at dinner in addition to a leafy green and my choice of pasture raised meat for the day. I do not eat grains (no gluten at all), dairy or legumes. So I am potentially getting less calories than I used to, but way more nutrients....my question is basically how does your body respond to that? Because I used to eat a lot of bread, peanut butter, rice, cheese, etc etc. I have never counted calories because I have always been low body fat and never cared if I put on some weight, but I never could put on weight. I mean seriously, I could eat like a bulimic and stress the shit out of my digestive tract and never gain a pound. The only reason I do not eat completely to my hearts content, like lets say eat over a pound of meat at dinner is because I do or did have an atrophied kidney as of 8 months ago, and probably for a while before that. But I have done two 3 day dry fasts and dumped a ton of sediment for about a week after the first one. So I assumed my kidneys healed up a bit. But I stop eating meat when I am at about .8 grams of protein per my body weight in pounds. I am 5 foot 11 and 180 if that makes any difference. About 7 percent body fat. Hell I had a TSH of 66 this summer from refusing to take LEVO for 3 months (I had a theory I was still hyper becuase I couldnt gain weight still and felt the same as before ablation, YES I realize this was stupid of me). But I was still lifting weights and active, just felt horribly run down all the time. IF anyone can offer advice I would be eternally grateful.
I take T3 compounded from my pharmacy 1/4 the price! you have to get your dr. to ok that type of t3 though and mine did. It actually works better for me than Cytomel cuz it doesn't have added fillers, so maybe I was reacting to fillers...anyway...need more tests now
Amazing video. So very enlightening how it all works. I have experienced issues described. GP just raised Lethyroxine which I felt was overdosing(again). Decided to try help myself and reduced instead of increasing. Helped a lot, eyebrows back, not so jittery and sleeping better. But still not feeling good. Reverse T3 could be issue. I will follow all the advice outlined here that I can do without tests available, will monitor on how I feel and body reacting. This is very clear and I found on whole easy to understand! SO here goes! A big THANKYOU
😊I have been dealing with hypothyroidism, PCOS, and menopause. I go to my regular GP and she was treating me with levothyroxine. I talked to her about adding liothyronine and she agreed. I ran out of levothyroxine for about 2 weeks and only had my liothyronine to take. I noticed immediately that I felt better when not taking the levothyroxine. It was like a switch. It didn’t have me running marathons or anything, but I noticed that my whole body didn’t ache like before. I was able to do more things. I talked to her again and she’s treating me with liothyronine only. I was doing great until I got COVID, but afterwards I’ve not been the same. It’s been 5 months since I had it and I’ve had such joint pain that sometimes it was hard to move. I also have no stamina when I’m doing things. I wear out a lot faster. I even had vision trouble after COVID. I had inflammation on the macula of my eye and I had white blurry spots in my vision for 3 months afterward. I’m thinking I should find a endocrinologist. I love my GP and have been seeing her since 1992. I just think I might need someone that deals with the whole endocrine system. I’m tired of being tired.
My story exactly. I am going to an endo that understands little of this I think. Not helping me. My good doctor quit shortly after the end of 2022. I had covid twice at 75. I can't seem to stop inflammation, pain my eyes are awful. I have developed a brain tumor. I need some serious help and don't know where to turn.
Before I got covid I decided to lower my Levo on my own. I took half the dosage and felt better. After almost 2 months my body started to ache, joint pain, vision problems. So I started slowly increasing my Levo and just started feeling better and bam I got covid. It's been 4 months of long covid mostly in bed, gerd issues, etc. I'm thinking I unintentionally lowered my immune system by cutting my Levo in half. I also am post menopausal. So I'm not sure I did the right thing with the Levo. It sure felt better but by the 6th or 7th week...it backfired. Man I wish i could talk with you. Hope we both heal soon❤
Thank you, Dr. Childs! It baffles me that conventional MD's refuse to run rT3 or even consider possible hormone resistance. You mention hormone imbalance (leptin and insulin) as playing a role in high rT3, but do other hormones (specifically sex hormones: estrogen, progesterone, testosterone but even vitamin D as a prohormone) also come into play? If all of these are low (in my case due to pharmaceutical injury), would that likely create hidden inflammation which then leads to hormone resistance? Anything to clean off all receptors? Appreciate your thoughts.
dr. Childs, if the issue is low ATP and Benfotiamine increases that, would that constitute a treatment option for high rT3 - other markers normal ? I’m on 3/day 250 mg Benfotiamine since only 4 days and energy increased, pains reduced, brain fog cleared. I’m pretty amazed. What’s your take on that please ?
You can slow down the speed in the settings option (gear icon)! You might also have success watching it more than once as there is quite a bit of dense information here.
i am hypothyroid. had a gallbladder attack. have lost 35 lbs in six months by cutting back on eating in an attempt to stave off any more attacks/surgery. i take almost all the supplements you mentioned. i'm feeling much better thyroid wise. when i go for next bloodwork will ask for the RT3 test, just curious now.
I'm going to a lab in my area that will do blood tests without a doctors referral. I am going to have a Reverse T3 blood test done this coming week. I do have a good doctor as far as she has got me feeling much better over the last two years. She has performed every test except for this one. I have low testosterone so I get pellets inserted for that, I'm on 180mg of NP thyroid medication, I had a total thyroidectomy 3 years ago due to undiagnosed Hashimoto's for 10 years. My biggest problem still is losing weight. I don't over eat, I eat organic, grassfed, etc and limit my food to a protein smoothie around lunch and then I eat dinner that consists of meat, vegetables and one carb like potatoes or rice but even that's not with every dinner, sometimes I will make multiple vegetables to avoid the starch. I've been working out again for 2 months straight with zero results. I'm hoping this test will reveal something because I try so hard and feel like I'm getting no where. I'm not giving up though.
Doctors also need to be testing for C-Reactive Proteins (CRP) & Cytokines like Interleukin-6 (IL-6), which will initiate Non-Thyroidal Illness Syndrome / FT3 Deficiency Syndrome / Eurthyroid Sickness Syndrome.
Keep in mind that when Deiodinase D3 is activated, firstly it is converting T4 to r-T3 but also converting T3 to T2. . Similarly Deiodinases D1 & D2 convert r-T3 to T2
So how does reverse T3 not develop and increase if you are on a calorie restricted diet as with intermittent fasting as you have said can be helpful for thyroid patients? This is a little confusing, if can shed any light...thank you!
@@Altoids101 many people have uars and have normal tt and thyroid. Maybe you should look into keto or even carnivore diet and add resistance training 2 times a week and what will happen. Also good sleep. But that's just my idea. What i don't understand is how you tsh is high while you t3 is in upper range. That's does not make sense to me.
I managed to get my doctor to run all tests. They’re all out of Dr. Child’s optimal range but within my doctor’s understanding of “normal” so he wouldn’t even speak to me about making a small change like going from levothyroxine to tirisint sol. He instead told me to find a specialist somewhere. I’m doing all the healthy living changes but am at a dead end about what to do next. There were some antibodies but I don’t know if that means I have Hashimotos so even figuring out what supplements to take is difficult. So much good information, but in my hands only, it’s rather useless. Any guidance would be very appreciated.
Hey there, huge fan for years. I was looking for the linked case studies. Pituitary tumor, hypothyroid, now finding out leptin resistant and of course high reverse 3, low t3. My endocrinologists have never ordered the necessary tests in the past. I am doing all the things I've always been a whole food eater, active, Intermittent fasting, sleep is well. Starting to get desperate. I am using your leptin supplement now and the T3 is coming. Just really want my system to be optimal. I am hoping you will respond; I would pay for your guidance. Thank you
I think doctors won't treat this as it needs to be monitored based on pulse and body temp taking high does of T3, they are worried someone will have a heart attack.
Thank you so much for doing these videos. I'm not sure if you're still doing them (dated 2017), but if you do still monitor, I'm wondering how I can have a phone consultation with you. I have been trying to figure out what is wrong with me for five years. For the first time, a doctor tested my RT3. It is high. I have stellar blood work on the surface, but slowly I feel worse. Do you take new patients?
My doc just placed me on a very low dose of Cytemol (generic). Will this make me gain if it's not enough?? Is Cytemol adding to my own T3 or is it replacing?? Please help me understand.
So do I need to get reverse T3 if my free t3 is good or not? I mean if I understand it correctly if my free t3 is good then the reverse t3 is inconsequential.
I wouldn't fast as stress and not eating most of the day was the start of my Reverse T3. I had chronic candida and some are born with this if their mother was a carrier and it adds to Reverse T3.
Id there a doctor you recommend in Los Angeles? Thank you for your information and time. It was incredibly helpful. I am experiencing terrible hypothyroid symptoms and my tsh is at 7.1 and used to be 1.7. Thank you
I have been a patient of Dr Khanh Perrin (female) in Los Angeles for 8 years. She has RX'd me T3 only for hypothyroidism. And she will check all the thyroid levels (RT3, antibodies, FT3 Ft4).
Do you happen to know of Dr.Madhu Budhraja in Little Rock, Arkansas I've been to him twice The first visit he put me on Armour 38/9 for Hashimoto's and a month later he switched me to synthroid 50 and liothyronine 5mcg BID but at this same visit he only ordered TSH on my blood test but I did request for the antibodies and RT3/FT3 to be tested I HAVE LIKED HIM UP UNTIL THIS POINT BUT NOW I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE HE ONLY WANTED TO LOOK AT THE TSH ON THE BLOOD WORK He has considered all of my requests up until this point: when I asked specifically for armor at my first appointment he agreed but it was causing filmy/cloudy vision and my joints were hurting so we switched at this last visit at my request..he suggested the synthroid/liothyronine.....however I don't know if I should stay with him if he only wanted to look at the TSH on my blood work ... What would you suggest? He is a very kind Dr and really takes time to listen to his patients and considers their concerns
i have been on a Keto diet for 3 months.. loss 40 #.. feeling so much better.. but beginning not to sleep and cold sensitivity.. dr. had to bump up my levo last time undetec. TSH... thoughts.. ? i haven't had a reverse t3 test.
My wife has run into a situation where if she takes T3 she now feels like she is going to die. Her face gets lots of pressure, heart rate goes up, gets sweaty and is just miserable. If she does not take the T3 she can’t think or work at all. She has low tsh, high reverse T3. Is the only way to flush reverse T3 by taking more T3 that makes her sick? We have been to the ER, instacare, her doctor and now natural path. Nobody seems to know how to help her. Does anyone have or know anyone who has been through this?
I have hypothyroidism & recently went over my lab results and it says my t3 levels are high at 257? Do you recommend a lower dosage on levothyroxine at all? To maybe help lower?
Dr childs, im really good with my diet and strength training 3x per week. Dont feel so stressed as i did prior to NDT. but im battling to reverse IR which i think i have or atleast it feels like my body is locked into this condition. I have high RT3. Range is 0.09-0.35ng/ml. Mine is 0.27. T3 is 4.4 (2.4-6) has gone up while on NDT. Shall i ask my doctor for a small dose of T3 only with the NDT. Currently in 2.5 grains broken up into 3x per day.
I have a lot going on and have learned a lot from you and like you said most doctors don't want to test full panel or even understand how to read it. My TSH and my T4 is low What does that mean? She didn't even address it. I truly feel it all started with prolonged stressed in my adrenal glands setting out high levels of cortisol and then jacking everything else. Lol I'm also making B12 but not converting it into active form. I'm getting 1,000mg but don't feel that's enough to replenish what do you think?
Hi, I'm confused about two things: 1) Is high reverse T3 the name for thyroid hormone resistance, or is it a subset/type of thyroid hormone resistance? 2) Is it possible to have perfectly normal Free T3 and T4 *and* too high reverse T3? I was tested recently for T3 and T4 and both came back normal despite me having myriad symptoms of hypothyroidism and nothign else matching so many of my symptoms. So I was wondering if it's worth doing a reverse T3 test, or if it's still possible that I have thyroid hormone resistance even if reverse T3 levels are normal?
It IS possible to have perfectly normal Free T3 and Free T4, yet have a too high Reverse T3. That is exactly my current experience. My labs indicated all thyroid blood markers "normal', except a high Reverse T3. Corroborating indicator is that my hypothyroid symptoms have recently returned. I have just returned to a natural dessicated thyroid supplement to provide the natural T3 and T4. Wish I had never gone on the synthetic RX- levothyroxine, 2 years ago. Stopthethyroidmadness.com is an incomparable help.
@@rlm7712 This is my case. I have normal T4 and T3, hight rt3 and high cortisol. I have all the symptoms of hypothyroidism .I went on levotyroxine and cytomel and felt horrible. Should I ask my doctor for t3 ore NDT ?
I asked to be put on Rx level desiccated thyroid supplement called 'NP Thyroid by Acella'. I felt 'back to normal' within 2-3 weeks of taking a daily dose and so relieved to be feeling myself again. I have, previously, used a brand called Naturethroid and it was a great prescription quality desiccated thyroid supplement, as well.
i recently added t4 after being really fine for years with t3 only. I felt like dieing after a few days but pushed to three weeks. I now feel horrible but have been off t3 for two weeks. I read that it would take 12 weeks to flush out t4?? I now sleep 12 hours a day and am awfully depressed is it really true that this takes 12 weeks??
You have to treat the cause of Reverse T3 like candida, a leaky gut and low Zinc and selenium needed for hormone conversion. Hormone conversion takes place in the gut and liver and Milk Thistle cleanses the liver. We are all also low in Magnesium and Iodine as recommended to take by Dr Sircus on UA-cam.
My T3 is 213 (76-181) My rT3 is 69 (8-25). I am at a loss with the ratio. If I compute this correctly, it's at 36/20. What is the 1-1.5 grain ratio compared to mcg?
Dr Childs...help...i started taking T3 and my body has gotten worse. My thoughts after watchin the video is that the T3 is now reversing...PTSD, Artthistis, high blood pressure, increase weight...chronic back pain...Im a wreck.
If you have chronic candida and a leaky gut that goes hand in hand you cannot treat Reverse T3 as hormone conversion takes place in the gut and liver. Milk Thistle cleanses the liver and hot lemon too. Look up the candida spit test it's 100% accurate. Some people have worms too and i did so Diatamacous Earth and clove capsules will kill these taken for a month, but don't inhale the powder. If you do not know the cause of Reverse T3 you will not treat it and low Selenium and Zinc and low iron will add to this. I treated myself by taking Cynomel from Mymexican drugstore.com after killing the candida and worms and raising my vitamin levels first and treated my leaky gut with L - Glutamine extra strength capsules for 2 months as it goes hand in hand with candida. When treating with T3 you can stay safe by keeping it lower than 100mcg a day breaking it into 3 times a day to be safe i took upto 80mcg a day but may take longer if you reduce it lower but if you want to be safer than do that, better than doing nothing! Start off low at half a tablet for 3 days then add another 1/4 tablet every 4 days until your body temp using a new digital thermometer is the normal body temp and obviously count heartbeat to see an increase. If you get up to one tablet after a few days and you pulse goes up straight away and temp you proberly don't have this and should stop so it's common sense really. Once a clearance happens you are meant to stay on a small dosage less than one tablet for maybe at least 2 weeks for may sure all receptors are cleared. There is a book Called Hypothyroidism Type 2 The Epidemic written by Dr Mark Starr who diagnosed this condition in himself and treated others available to buy if that is any use?
How do I find a Doctor that may know a little about Reverse T3? My MD said they don't have a test for this. Is there a Dr or endocrinologist you would recommend in the st louis area? Thank you
You can find more information here: www.restartmed.com/thyroid-doctor/ And yes, they most definitely have a test for this :) It's a standard test that all lab companies in the US run.
I live in Mississippi and I do not have thyroids I am taking Levothyroxine 125 since my thyroid has been taken out I have had anxiety depression high blood pressure high cholesterol low testosterone thinning of hair weight gain and stomach problems where can I find a good doctor like you at
had thyroid removed 10 +yrs ago currently on anti seizure meds tegretol +keppra have many hypo thyroid symptoms in spite of levothyroxine for years bloodwork showing propper tsh where do i go from here
Hi Dr. Westin. my daughter's endocrinologist doesn't think we need to know free T4 or T3. He only look at the TSH level. She had total thyroidectomy. as you mentioned t3 results weight gain, about free T4? Thanks.
Hello Dr. Westin, I am just lost in all this information. I am desperetly seeking for an answer and nobody react. I am taking Eutirox 125 sind more then 15 years. The latest blood test showed a decreasing of the TSH (0,05) while the value of T4 was 1,22 which is normal. Is it dangerous to have tthis low level, and if the answer is yes, what can I do to get it higher? Thank you very much for your answer.
Why not just change to a Keto diet and intermittent fasting - while giving your pancreas some good rest and avoid insulin resistance and keeping the production of insulin at healthy low levels. And wouldn’t your energy levels be good if you use your fat reserves as a main source of energy instead of glucose?
One important reason would be that those therapies can make reverse T3 worse :) Keto certainly doesn't work for everyone, and that includes many thyroid patients.
Is it possible go just use a low dose of cytomel to flush out revers t3? Im not on t4 cause it made me feel worse! My t4 is very high and so is my cortisol. Trying 2 lower the stress and inflammation! 🤷♀️
Does fasting (eg. extended water fasts) cause the same permanent damage as long-term hypocaloric carb-rich diets? My understanding is that ketosis protects your body from metabolic dysfunction, but not sure. Thanks!
Hello Dr. Child’s.. I was hyperthyroid until they took it out,, now,, since i have no thyroid i’m thinking that would make me now hypothyroid?? should TSH numbers be a great concern to me or should I focus more on my T4 to T3 or RT3 numbers?? thanks,, most appreciative..
Yes, that is correct. Once your thyroid is removed you are effectively considered to be hypothyroid. In that setting, free T3 and total t3 carry more weight than the TSH.
The problem I always run into regarding the doctors not knowing this stuff, including most naturopaths and homeopaths is not just that they don’t know but that they don’t want to know and are very resistant or dismissive to listening to a patient trying bring up any of this type of information. I have yet to find any doctor that has been willing to even give me the proper tests.
Go to Personelabs.com and order your own labs. Print out. Go to lab corp... Cheap easy. It's the law now that you can order your own labs and get your own results.
@@briks145 Same but I insisted then the lab didn't run them even after they told me I would have to pay and I said that's okay. The Dr had to ring them and say do the damn test - lucky they still had my samples.
Mine refused too, she said it wasn't necessary. After watching dr Childs, I asked her to check my cortisol and it was very high and I took dr childs supplements and it went down do fast. She never told me what to do about it. Or change diet so frustrating
It has to do with how physicians are taught. What I am referring to here is simple physiology but it's the application of the physiology to clinical medicine where the communication breaks down. That's why I try to make connections between conditions doctors are aware of already (euthyroid sick syndrome) to make the connection easier to understand.
It’s because they don’t learn it this should change they should learn it and be pharmacists as well as drs would save people a lot of stress. When taking pills 💊
I have a suggestion. Why don't you watch your videos on your smartphone so you can see what we are seeing, which is nothing! Your GRAPHICS are way to small! The info your talking about is great but you talk to fast. So only catching bits and pieces of what your saying.
If a dr. does not have adequate training in thyroid treatment, they should not be treating it. It is a speciality field imo and most of them just don't get it or don't want to do the work involved to get to the bottom of the problem. This is someone's health, and a bandaide is not the answer. If your dr. will not do a whole thyroid panel, go to one that will.
Thank you very much for producing the best resource on how to treat rt3 on the internet. You wrote that you never saw a patient with high rt3 and low fasting insulin. But that is me. Rt3 of 42, and low fasting insulin.
Thank you Hypothyrodism Hashimotos has made my life a living hell since 2008 I do well for years than all of the sudden i hit rock bottom and have to start all over to get thee optimal levels
THANK YOU so much for making such a detailed video about the issues surrounding rt3. I have been researching into this after experiencing unusual hypo symptoms despite not being diagnosed with a thyroid issue. I do have pcos and so always put them down to that. When I started experiencing unusual hairloss and eyebrows shedding I began to think it was a little deeper than just pcos. Can you see any abnormalities in the following thyroid bloods below MY THYROIDS RESULTS.: TSH: 1.8 miu/l (0.27 - 4.2) T4: 17.2 pmol/L (12 - 22) T3: 4.73 pol/L (3.1 - 6.8) RT3: 23 (10 - 24) FT3 : RT3: 13.39 ratio >15 Thyroglobulin Antibodies: 14.6ku/L
How is it possible to have very low TSH and high reverse T3 with symptoms of both hyper and hypo? I've been gluten free for 6 months, and my appetite has gotten so low that it's hard to eat enough without foods with gluten.
Lianda Ludwig I had low t3 and a high reverse t3 on naturethroid. Hyper/hypo symptoms can be similar, I have had the same happen to me. I hope your Dr. Helps you lower that reverse t3.. low TSH is pointless if you have high reverse t3. And I was told that people feel the best when the tsh is suppressed. I had perfect tsh t3, t4, and high reverse t3.. felt horrible! It made me depressed and I was never depressed in my life. I am now starting on t3 only.. naturethroid and t3 together were not working for me. Hope you are well :)
You can't really be hypothyroid and hyperthyroid at the same time. It is possible, however, to have a low TSH and a high reverse T3 on Lt4 medications such as levothyroxine. But you have to realize that a low TSH doesn't automatically mean you are hyperthyroid.
Me too. There aren't many Endocrinologists in my area and the one I go to, who is supposed to be highly recommended is not very knowledgeable at all. I had to tell her about this Dr. and needing to try T 3 medication because my Levothyroxine wasn't working, after she tried to tell me there was nothing she could do for me and that I needed to go to my Primary Dr., Nutrionist and Psychiatrist. I was very upset with her, obviously. After I told her what this Dr. said, she sent me for Thyroid levels blood tests and after she read my results she immediately lowered my Levothyroxine to 75 Mcg n put me on Liothyronine 5 Mcg. So, thank you for helping me help my Endo Dr. help me!!!
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HEY GUYS! I have been going through and updating old videos. If you want me to do it to this one please let me know.
ALSO, don't forget to DOWNLOAD my free thyroid resources (foods to eat/avoid, the complete list of optimal thyroid lab tests, how to find a thyroid doctor, and more) HERE: www.restartmed.com/start-here/
Yes, please. Thank you.
Please do!
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Yes, please update!
It is good, but yes like to learn usual reverse T3 that is normal and would be expectedly. I take amour thyroid 90 mg. Units are important.
I followed your advise my RT3 dropped from 24 to 14 in eight weeks and my thyroid results are getting more close to normal
I am feeling much better
I have been watching your videos and have learned a lot
I asked my doctor to prescribe according to this information
Game changer
THANK YOU FROM HERE TO THE MOON 🙌🏻
I’m confused because you say your rt3 levels were 24 but that seems really low. Idk maybe I’m wrong but I thought mine were low being 0.53
@@Lannie74the lower the better with everything else being stable
This is so encouraging!!!
Really solid video. We started looking into my wife’s health several years ago due to all the symptoms of hypo but normal TSH. Boy was that rabbit hole. This video encapsulates everything we learned in that time and I’m happy to report my wife was able to overcome high reverse T through NDT. This lead to increased energy which lead to working out more regularly and focusing on healthy clean eating. Mostly meat and fruit.
What is ndt
May I ask, did she had high or low T3 and T4?
I'm having normal TSH, T3 and T4, but high reverse T3.
And tons of hypo symptoms.
Thinking about NDT to lower reverse T3
@@dariamancini963 Natural desiccated thyroid. Usually pig's thyroid glands dried and ground into a powder.
Hey how is your wife doing a year on? Was her t4 and t3 normal, low or high or on the scale where about in the range thanks so much
@@dariamancini963 Natural dessicated thyroid.
Let me add I have extreme fatigue, low metabolism, eat healthy won't lose weight, headaches, body aches
ER blood tests showed low red blood cells, bigger than normal, low white blood cells, and low platelets but was not even told.
I have researched myself.
Also found out I have MTHFR GENE and two of the same c677T variants.
She also never addressed this and I know it's a big deal. I feel im doing the work my doctors should be doing.
Tiffany Humes youre likely very b12 deficient especially with other gene!
Do you take “methylated B12” & “methylated folate”? Copper/zinc & vitamin D levels checked? Good luck! About to see my third edocrinologist. Having hard time finding a doctor that cares. Hope you get better.
I'm in the same boat- rT3 and MTHFR need to be looked at by more doctors!
All I can say is I really wish you could be my endo doc. Ive learned more from you than any doctor
Omg you are amazing 👍
I wish I could take in all info but my brain fog is so bad I can’t remember things well.
A year ago I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer, about a 5cm mass was found on the right side of what used to be my thyroid. February of last year I had a partial thyroidectomy. When the results came back, they came back positive for Cancer (3rd Stage). In June I had the remaining thyroid removed and in October I had a small round of radiation. Since this whole nightmare started I have been on levothyroxine, started at 175mcg and now I am at 150mcg. It's been a roller coaster ride, feeling tired, moody x 3, depressed, you name it I have felt it. I have seen two endocrinologist one was very aggressive needed a second opinion. My current Endo refused to run the test that Dr. Childs has recommended to be done. I feel like I did when I got my first operation, so tired, moody, no motivation. My blood test results are not in range, they are all over the place. But again my doctor says to me, "No they are normal". This is not normal. This is not who I am and I want to feel normal. Don't know what to do anymore. I started the supplements that Dr. Childs recommends a week ago, I hope to see some kind of change. Take care everyone, be safe.
I hope you found another doctor. I wasted so much time with a doctor who simply wouldn't listen and only ran TSH. I'm doing better now that I found a doctor who runs all the tests I need. It took a while but I hope you find one too.
How have your results been? I hope you're feeling better.
I also gone through the exact same thing ..it's been since 2012 and finally after many doctors , I found the one ..Please don't settle with one doctor or 2 .I felt horrible and I knew something was wrong ..Doctors would say the same thing..Your numbers are "normal "but I feel awful how is that possible,.had all those symptoms and more ,They didn't care to do further test so I ditch them and went with outside doctor and Yes ..He did a complete thyroid lab test and check my Rt3/ T3 and they were definitely off ..Kaiser won't do any other lab test other than the basic TSH. We need to check all the rest..I hope you find the doctor that will take the time to do the right test and you start feeling better once again ..
Hey, how are you doing now?
Thank you- hypo with flagged high IG-E Immunoglobulin Antibodies. I take three grain NDT, have used LDN 1.5 mg to come out of thyroid storm post black mold exposure, we lost almost everything. I had systems of organ failure beginning. 25 doctors did not know how to treat this- Southern California; THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE SO MANY PHYSICIANS REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT IT. I'M SO SICK OF being sick, fat, and walking infection control with Hashimotos.
Glad you found it helpful!
Glad I saw this! My current thyroid MD isnt checking much and I'm always sick, constant weight gain, always cold etc and have an appt with a new MD and will mention this!
Did you go vegan and gluten free?
No to both. I did do a lifestyle change for 2 months, nothing progressed and still never lost the weight. I’m too selective with veggies so I could never go vegan. I do follow a lot of holistic thyroid doctors and some have said gluten free doesn’t always work either. I prob need to do a Dutch test honestly!
Another pioneer doctor named Westin! So kewl.
I was feelin amazing at 70 and got covid which I think tweaked my thyroid. Thx for this great info! will get reverse t3 checked soon.
ummmmm. Im seventy and never dieted yet.. Very active instead. No scripts In paxt 25 yrs sept one round of antibiotics and pain meds for toothaches or injuries.
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I am going on Cytomel because I am post ablation graves disease, and Levo has got my TSH in range but has never done anything else for me. T3 still low, Rt3 still high, and yes I have insisted on having these markers done because my doctor didnt understand why I would want them. Its nice to know taking T4 can increase my Rt3 altogether, so I am excited to try Cytomel. Thanks for the enlightening information.
I am on a holistic path the past year and my life is in check basically other than figuring out this thyroid puzzle (Im 27 btw). Obviously I regret getting my thyroid ablated and if I hadnt I am sure I could of reversed my autoimmunity through lifestyle changes.
I do intermittent fasting from any where of 16 to 20 hours a day (recently 20) and I basically eat at dinner for a few hours as I take my time. I have a huge appetite and have always been able to absolutely slam food. Back in the day I ate 6 meals a day because I was so into the bodybuilding bro science. Until I realized how inflammatory and stupid that was, I started intermittent fasting. Can intermittent fasting in general increase RT3? I NEVER intentionally calorie restrict because I basically have had a bottomless pit throughout my late teens into my 20's till now with graves. But I DO eat paleo and whole foods now (past year). I eat extremely nutrient dense foods, I will smash some potatoes or squash and fruits at dinner in addition to a leafy green and my choice of pasture raised meat for the day. I do not eat grains (no gluten at all), dairy or legumes. So I am potentially getting less calories than I used to, but way more nutrients....my question is basically how does your body respond to that? Because I used to eat a lot of bread, peanut butter, rice, cheese, etc etc.
I have never counted calories because I have always been low body fat and never cared if I put on some weight, but I never could put on weight. I mean seriously, I could eat like a bulimic and stress the shit out of my digestive tract and never gain a pound. The only reason I do not eat completely to my hearts content, like lets say eat over a pound of meat at dinner is because I do or did have an atrophied kidney as of 8 months ago, and probably for a while before that. But I have done two 3 day dry fasts and dumped a ton of sediment for about a week after the first one. So I assumed my kidneys healed up a bit. But I stop eating meat when I am at about .8 grams of protein per my body weight in pounds. I am 5 foot 11 and 180 if that makes any difference. About 7 percent body fat.
Hell I had a TSH of 66 this summer from refusing to take LEVO for 3 months (I had a theory I was still hyper becuase I couldnt gain weight still and felt the same as before ablation, YES I realize this was stupid of me). But I was still lifting weights and active, just felt horribly run down all the time. IF anyone can offer advice I would be eternally grateful.
I take T3 compounded from my pharmacy 1/4 the price! you have to get your dr. to ok that type of t3 though and mine did. It actually works better for me than Cytomel cuz it doesn't have added fillers, so maybe I was reacting to fillers...anyway...need more tests now
Amazing video. So very enlightening how it all works. I have experienced issues described. GP just raised Lethyroxine which I felt was overdosing(again). Decided to try help myself and reduced instead of increasing. Helped a lot, eyebrows back, not so jittery and sleeping better. But still not feeling good. Reverse T3 could be issue. I will follow all the advice outlined here that I can do without tests available, will monitor on how I feel and body reacting. This is very clear and I found on whole easy to understand! SO here goes! A big THANKYOU
Happy to help!
Also low iron and adrenal dysfunction. I treated those and got better
😊I have been dealing with hypothyroidism, PCOS, and menopause. I go to my regular GP and she was treating me with levothyroxine. I talked to her about adding liothyronine and she agreed. I ran out of levothyroxine for about 2 weeks and only had my liothyronine to take. I noticed immediately that I felt better when not taking the levothyroxine. It was like a switch. It didn’t have me running marathons or anything, but I noticed that my whole body didn’t ache like before. I was able to do more things. I talked to her again and she’s treating me with liothyronine only. I was doing great until I got COVID, but afterwards I’ve not been the same. It’s been 5 months since I had it and I’ve had such joint pain that sometimes it was hard to move. I also have no stamina when I’m doing things. I wear out a lot faster. I even had vision trouble after COVID. I had inflammation on the macula of my eye and I had white blurry spots in my vision for 3 months afterward. I’m thinking I should find a endocrinologist. I love my GP and have been seeing her since 1992. I just think I might need someone that deals with the whole endocrine system. I’m tired of being tired.
My story exactly. I am going to an endo that understands little of this I think. Not helping me. My good doctor quit shortly after the end of 2022. I had covid twice at 75. I can't seem to stop inflammation, pain my eyes are awful. I have developed a brain tumor. I need some serious help and don't know where to turn.
Before I got covid I decided to lower my Levo on my own. I took half the dosage and felt better. After almost 2 months my body started to ache, joint pain, vision problems. So I started slowly increasing my Levo and just started feeling better and bam I got covid. It's been 4 months of long covid mostly in bed, gerd issues, etc. I'm thinking I unintentionally lowered my immune system by cutting my Levo in half. I also am post menopausal. So I'm not sure I did the right thing with the Levo. It sure felt better but by the 6th or 7th week...it backfired. Man I wish i could talk with you. Hope we both heal soon❤
Thank you, Dr. Childs! It baffles me that conventional MD's refuse to run rT3 or even consider possible hormone resistance. You mention hormone imbalance (leptin and insulin) as playing a role in high rT3, but do other hormones (specifically sex hormones:
estrogen, progesterone, testosterone but even vitamin D as a prohormone) also come into play? If all of these are low (in my case due to pharmaceutical injury), would that likely create hidden inflammation which then leads to hormone resistance? Anything to clean off all receptors? Appreciate your thoughts.
dr. Childs, if the issue is low ATP and Benfotiamine increases that, would that constitute a treatment option for high rT3 - other markers normal ? I’m on 3/day 250 mg Benfotiamine since only 4 days and energy increased, pains reduced, brain fog cleared. I’m pretty amazed. What’s your take on that please ?
This video like many others have been so helpful to me. Thank you Dr. Childs
Glad you found it helpful!
Thank you!!! Finally makes sense!!! Gonna work on getting my RT3 down now.
You're welcome!
Zinc converts t4 to t3
Very helpful information, but, can you slow down, your words are hard to understand.
You can slow down the speed in the settings option (gear icon)! You might also have success watching it more than once as there is quite a bit of dense information here.
great, but yes, please slow down. Brain fog and your voice speed makes it hard to digest.
@@bunnyball7 slow down the playback speed as slow as you want
i am hypothyroid. had a gallbladder attack. have lost 35 lbs in six months by cutting back on eating in an attempt to stave off any more attacks/surgery. i take almost all the supplements you mentioned. i'm feeling much better thyroid wise. when i go for next bloodwork will ask for the RT3 test, just curious now.
Super informative! Thanks for the detailed information.
I'm going to a lab in my area that will do blood tests without a doctors referral. I am going to have a Reverse T3 blood test done this coming week. I do have a good doctor as far as she has got me feeling much better over the last two years. She has performed every test except for this one. I have low testosterone so I get pellets inserted for that, I'm on 180mg of NP thyroid medication, I had a total thyroidectomy 3 years ago due to undiagnosed Hashimoto's for 10 years. My biggest problem still is losing weight. I don't over eat, I eat organic, grassfed, etc and limit my food to a protein smoothie around lunch and then I eat dinner that consists of meat, vegetables and one carb like potatoes or rice but even that's not with every dinner, sometimes I will make multiple vegetables to avoid the starch. I've been working out again for 2 months straight with zero results. I'm hoping this test will reveal something because I try so hard and feel like I'm getting no where. I'm not giving up though.
Thanks Dr. Childs! 🎉
Doctors also need to be testing for C-Reactive Proteins (CRP) & Cytokines like Interleukin-6 (IL-6), which will initiate Non-Thyroidal Illness Syndrome / FT3 Deficiency Syndrome / Eurthyroid Sickness Syndrome.
Keep in mind that when Deiodinase D3 is activated, firstly it is converting T4 to r-T3 but also converting T3 to T2.
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Similarly Deiodinases D1 & D2 convert r-T3 to T2
So informative doc....thank you
Welcome!
So how does reverse T3 not develop and increase if you are on a calorie restricted diet as with intermittent fasting as you have said can be helpful for thyroid patients? This is a little confusing, if can shed any light...thank you!
great explanation you know much more than most
Glad you found it helpful!
Thank you Dr. Child for a great video!
Welcome!
Thank You❤ priceless info.
I will follow up on this...
No problem!
TSH X 5.66 mIU/L (Range: 0.27 - 4.2)
Free T3 5.9 pmol/L (Range: 3.1 - 6.8)
Free Thyroxine 19.500 pmol/L (Range: 12 - 22)
Reverse T3 X 25 ng/dL (Range: 10 - 24)
FT3 : rT3 15.36 Ratio (Range: > 15)
How are you now?
@@ArtemKuchin My current thinking is that my high reverse T3 is caused by low testosterone which is caused by UARS because I have a narrow airway
@@Altoids101 many people have uars and have normal tt and thyroid. Maybe you should look into keto or even carnivore diet and add resistance training 2 times a week and what will happen. Also good sleep. But that's just my idea. What i don't understand is how you tsh is high while you t3 is in upper range. That's does not make sense to me.
My t4 and t3 are normal but it’s so hard for me to lose weight 🤷🏽♀️
How do you find a doctor who actually runs these test? My Endo just does a tsh. It’s so frustrating knowing most doctors don’t care.
I did not hear anything about flushing anything out???
The therapies listed here help to reduce the reverse T3 and flush it out. Hope that helps!
My reverse T3 is 0.661 ng/ml and my Free T3 is 0.00274 ng/ml. How am i doing? Please check the units
my blood pressure is 112 over 68 eating blueberries,strawberries and kiwi help!
I managed to get my doctor to run all tests. They’re all out of Dr. Child’s optimal range but within my doctor’s understanding of “normal” so he wouldn’t even speak to me about making a small change like going from levothyroxine to tirisint sol. He instead told me to find a specialist somewhere. I’m doing all the healthy living changes but am at a dead end about what to do next. There were some antibodies but I don’t know if that means I have Hashimotos so even figuring out what supplements to take is difficult. So much good information, but in my hands only, it’s rather useless. Any guidance would be very appreciated.
What about adding small t3 along with livothroxine ? My reverse t3 is 28 and finding it hard to lose weight inspite of eating right and working out
How to loose weight without calorie reduction / slowing even more the metabolism.
What happens if i stop levothyroxine and start again every now and again
Hey there, huge fan for years. I was looking for the linked case studies. Pituitary tumor, hypothyroid, now finding out leptin resistant and of course high reverse 3, low t3. My endocrinologists have never ordered the necessary tests in the past. I am doing all the things I've always been a whole food eater, active, Intermittent fasting, sleep is well. Starting to get desperate. I am using your leptin supplement now and the T3 is coming. Just really want my system to be optimal. I am hoping you will respond; I would pay for your guidance. Thank you
Can you explain about low reverse T3? What’s the treatment?
most doctors don't order any T3 of any kind
I think doctors won't treat this as it needs to be monitored based on pulse and body temp taking high does of T3, they are worried someone will have a heart attack.
@22:51 reduce inflammation supplements list
Thank you so much for doing these videos. I'm not sure if you're still doing them (dated 2017), but if you do still monitor, I'm wondering how I can have a phone consultation with you. I have been trying to figure out what is wrong with me for five years. For the first time, a doctor tested my RT3. It is high. I have stellar blood work on the surface, but slowly I feel worse. Do you take new patients?
My doc just placed me on a very low dose of Cytemol (generic). Will this make me gain if it's not enough?? Is Cytemol adding to my own T3 or is it replacing?? Please help me understand.
So do I need to get reverse T3 if my free t3 is good or not? I mean if I understand it correctly if my free t3 is good then the reverse t3 is inconsequential.
correction gall bladder removed 10+ yrs ago
So how to flush it out??
what about intermittent fasting? is it dangerous to cause metabolism damages? because there are so many call benefits according to some specialists.
If you over fast it can potentially cause damage but I don't see that happen too often.
I wouldn't fast as stress and not eating most of the day was the start of my Reverse T3. I had chronic candida and some are born with this if their mother was a carrier and it adds to Reverse T3.
And whats the difference frree thyroxine and thyroxine direct?
Very informative but you speak so fast that that it makes me dizzy. Could you please have a condensed slower pace. Much appreciated
Simplicity.. explain such. Many of us do not have MD degrees lol. I might much to have to wait through.
Just.. cut to the chase.
My total iron went from 110 to 23 in 3 months. My ferritin is 32. My Hematocrit and hemoglobin are normal. I feel Terrible. Any suggestions????
Id there a doctor you recommend in Los Angeles?
Thank you for your information and time. It was incredibly helpful. I am experiencing terrible hypothyroid symptoms and my tsh is at 7.1 and used to be 1.7.
Thank you
I have been a patient of Dr Khanh Perrin (female) in Los Angeles for 8 years. She has RX'd me T3 only for hypothyroidism. And she will check all the thyroid levels (RT3, antibodies, FT3 Ft4).
I don't personally know anyone but you can find more info here: www.restartmed.com/thyroid-doctor/
Will that flush the liver
Takingvt3 only felt great for a few months now i feel horrible..gaining belly fat hardcand bliated....pls help!
Do you happen to know of Dr.Madhu Budhraja in Little Rock, Arkansas I've been to him twice The first visit he put me on Armour 38/9 for Hashimoto's and a month later he switched me to synthroid 50 and liothyronine 5mcg BID but at this same visit he only ordered TSH on my blood test but I did request for the antibodies and RT3/FT3 to be tested I HAVE LIKED HIM UP UNTIL THIS POINT BUT NOW I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE HE ONLY WANTED TO LOOK AT THE TSH ON THE BLOOD WORK He has considered all of my requests up until this point: when I asked specifically for armor at my first appointment he agreed but it was causing filmy/cloudy vision and my joints were hurting so we switched at this last visit at my request..he suggested the synthroid/liothyronine.....however I don't know if I should stay with him if he only wanted to look at the TSH on my blood work ... What would you suggest? He is a very kind Dr and really takes time to listen to his patients and considers their concerns
Would supplementing Korean Ginseng be an effective way to lower RT3?
i have been on a Keto diet for 3 months.. loss 40 #.. feeling so much better.. but beginning not to sleep and cold sensitivity.. dr. had to bump up my levo last time undetec. TSH... thoughts.. ? i haven't had a reverse t3 test.
Got my results. My reverse t3 22.5 and ratio 0.13. Doctor I went to said that's normal. Cant seem to find a doc where I live like this. Fml
My T3 is 0.535… I’m not losing weight though. 🤷🏻♀️ how do I lower it?
My wife has run into a situation where if she takes T3 she now feels like she is going to die. Her face gets lots of pressure, heart rate goes up, gets sweaty and is just miserable. If she does not take the T3 she can’t think or work at all. She has low tsh, high reverse T3. Is the only way to flush reverse T3 by taking more T3 that makes her sick?
We have been to the ER, instacare, her doctor and now natural path. Nobody seems to know how to help her. Does anyone have or know anyone who has been through this?
Please book a consultation with Dr Childs on his website. Your wife has suffered enough and is worth the consultation fee. God bless you both. 🙏
I have hypothyroidism & recently went over my lab results and it says my t3 levels are high at 257? Do you recommend a lower dosage on levothyroxine at all? To maybe help lower?
That may be necessary, but you need to look at other labs such as free T4, TSH, reverse T3 and so on.
Dr childs, im really good with my diet and strength training 3x per week. Dont feel so stressed as i did prior to NDT. but im battling to reverse IR which i think i have or atleast it feels like my body is locked into this condition. I have high RT3. Range is 0.09-0.35ng/ml. Mine is 0.27. T3 is 4.4 (2.4-6) has gone up while on NDT. Shall i ask my doctor for a small dose of T3 only with the NDT. Currently in 2.5 grains broken up into 3x per day.
I have a lot going on and have learned a lot from you and like you said most doctors don't want to test full panel or even understand how to read it.
My TSH and my T4 is low
What does that mean?
She didn't even address it. I truly feel it all started with prolonged stressed in my adrenal glands setting out high levels of cortisol and then jacking everything else. Lol
I'm also making B12 but not converting it into active form. I'm getting 1,000mg but don't feel that's enough to replenish what do you think?
It could mean a lot of things. You'll want to look at free T3 and reverse T3 in addition to those lab tests to get a better idea!
Hi, I'm confused about two things:
1) Is high reverse T3 the name for thyroid hormone resistance, or is it a subset/type of thyroid hormone resistance?
2) Is it possible to have perfectly normal Free T3 and T4 *and* too high reverse T3?
I was tested recently for T3 and T4 and both came back normal despite me having myriad symptoms of hypothyroidism and nothign else matching so many of my symptoms. So I was wondering if it's worth doing a reverse T3 test, or if it's still possible that I have thyroid hormone resistance even if reverse T3 levels are normal?
It IS possible to have perfectly normal Free T3 and Free T4, yet have a too high Reverse T3. That is exactly my current experience. My labs indicated all thyroid blood markers "normal', except a high Reverse T3. Corroborating indicator is that my hypothyroid symptoms have recently returned. I have just returned to a natural dessicated thyroid supplement to provide the natural T3 and T4. Wish I had never gone on the synthetic RX- levothyroxine, 2 years ago. Stopthethyroidmadness.com is an incomparable help.
Answers to your questions below!
1. Reverse T3 is the name of the lab test you are testing.
2. Yes.
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This is my case. I have normal T4 and T3, hight rt3 and high cortisol. I have all the symptoms of hypothyroidism .I went on levotyroxine and cytomel and felt horrible. Should I ask my doctor for t3 ore NDT ?
I asked to be put on Rx level desiccated thyroid supplement called 'NP Thyroid by Acella'. I felt 'back to normal' within 2-3 weeks of taking a daily dose and so relieved to be feeling myself again. I have, previously, used a brand called Naturethroid and it was a great prescription quality desiccated thyroid supplement, as well.
i recently added t4 after being really fine for years with t3 only. I felt like dieing after a few days but pushed to three weeks. I now feel horrible but have been off t3 for two weeks. I read that it would take 12 weeks to flush out t4?? I now sleep 12 hours a day and am awfully depressed is it really true that this takes 12 weeks??
You have to treat the cause of Reverse T3 like candida, a leaky gut and low Zinc and selenium needed for hormone conversion. Hormone conversion takes place in the gut and liver and Milk Thistle cleanses the liver. We are all also low in Magnesium and Iodine as recommended to take by Dr Sircus on UA-cam.
My T3 is 213 (76-181) My rT3 is 69 (8-25). I am at a loss with the ratio. If I compute this correctly, it's at 36/20. What is the 1-1.5 grain ratio compared to mcg?
Hello Dr. Childs. I am enjoying your videos. On my thyroid test, my free T3 is in pg/ml and my rT3 is in ng/dl units. Can I still divide these two?
Yes you can!
Dr Childs...help...i started taking T3 and my body has gotten worse. My thoughts after watchin the video is that the T3 is now reversing...PTSD, Artthistis, high blood pressure, increase weight...chronic back pain...Im a wreck.
If you have chronic candida and a leaky gut that goes hand in hand you cannot treat Reverse T3 as hormone conversion takes place in the gut and liver. Milk Thistle cleanses the liver and hot lemon too. Look up the candida spit test it's 100% accurate. Some people have worms too and i did so Diatamacous Earth and clove capsules will kill these taken for a month, but don't inhale the powder. If you do not know the cause of Reverse T3 you will not treat it and low Selenium and Zinc and low iron will add to this. I treated myself by taking Cynomel from Mymexican drugstore.com after killing the candida and worms and raising my vitamin levels first and treated my leaky gut with L - Glutamine extra strength capsules for 2 months as it goes hand in hand with candida. When treating with T3 you can stay safe by keeping it lower than 100mcg a day breaking it into 3 times a day to be safe i took upto 80mcg a day but may take longer if you reduce it lower but if you want to be safer than do that, better than doing nothing! Start off low at half a tablet for 3 days then add another 1/4 tablet every 4 days until your body temp using a new digital thermometer is the normal body temp and obviously count heartbeat to see an increase. If you get up to one tablet after a few days and you pulse goes up straight away and temp you proberly don't have this and should stop so it's common sense really. Once a clearance happens you are meant to stay on a small dosage less than one tablet for maybe at least 2 weeks for may sure all receptors are cleared. There is a book Called Hypothyroidism Type 2 The Epidemic written by Dr Mark Starr who diagnosed this condition in himself and treated others available to buy if that is any use?
How do I find a Doctor that may know a little about Reverse T3? My MD said they don't have a test for this. Is there a Dr or endocrinologist you would recommend in the st louis area? Thank you
You can find more information here: www.restartmed.com/thyroid-doctor/
And yes, they most definitely have a test for this :) It's a standard test that all lab companies in the US run.
I live in Mississippi and I do not have thyroids I am taking Levothyroxine 125 since my thyroid has been taken out I have had anxiety depression high blood pressure high cholesterol low testosterone thinning of hair weight gain and stomach problems where can I find a good doctor like you at
When they do a basic blood test, does the T3 measured the RT3 in that same test? Or does it not account for it?
No reverse t3 is a separate test
had thyroid removed 10 +yrs ago currently on anti seizure meds tegretol +keppra have many hypo thyroid symptoms in spite of levothyroxine for years bloodwork showing propper tsh where do i go from here
Start with a complete thyroid lab test! ua-cam.com/video/jv1kV-UktIA/v-deo.html
Hi Dr. Westin. my daughter's endocrinologist doesn't think we need to know free T4 or T3. He only look at the TSH level. She had total thyroidectomy. as you mentioned t3 results weight gain, about free T4? Thanks.
T4 is mostly a reservoir for T3 conversion. So priority should be placed on T3.
Hello Dr. Westin, I am just lost in all this information. I am desperetly seeking for an answer and nobody react. I am taking Eutirox 125 sind more then 15 years. The latest blood test showed a decreasing of the TSH (0,05) while the value of T4 was 1,22 which is normal. Is it dangerous to have tthis low level, and if the answer is yes, what can I do to get it higher? Thank you very much for your answer.
I would take a look at this article for more information on the dangers of TSH suppression: www.restartmed.com/suppressed-tsh/
@@drwestinchilds Thank you very much
Why not just change to a Keto diet and intermittent fasting - while giving your pancreas some good rest and avoid insulin resistance and keeping the production of insulin at healthy low levels.
And wouldn’t your energy levels be good if you use your fat reserves as a main source of energy instead of glucose?
One important reason would be that those therapies can make reverse T3 worse :) Keto certainly doesn't work for everyone, and that includes many thyroid patients.
What happens after you flush out T3? Reevaluate meds and supplements?
Yes, that is generally the idea.
Is it possible go just use a low dose of cytomel to flush out revers t3? Im not on t4 cause it made me feel worse! My t4 is very high and so is my cortisol. Trying 2 lower the stress and inflammation! 🤷♀️
It's possible, yes but it may not work for everyone.
which diabetic medication cause reverse t3? metformin ?
Metformin generally does not.
Does fasting (eg. extended water fasts) cause the same permanent damage as long-term hypocaloric carb-rich diets? My understanding is that ketosis protects your body from metabolic dysfunction, but not sure. Thanks!
dr my t3 or t4 normal hai but tsh 6. 464 hai is that hypo thyroid
Most likely, yes.
DO I HAVE T3 IN THE MORNING OR NIGHT???
You can take it either in the am or pm.
Hello Dr. Child’s.. I was hyperthyroid until they took it out,, now,, since i have no thyroid i’m thinking that would make me now hypothyroid?? should TSH numbers be a great concern to me or should I focus more on my T4 to T3 or RT3 numbers?? thanks,, most appreciative..
Yes, that is correct. Once your thyroid is removed you are effectively considered to be hypothyroid. In that setting, free T3 and total t3 carry more weight than the TSH.
Dr. Child, did you ever update this video about How to flush Reverse T3?
I have not but I will in the future.
The problem I always run into regarding the doctors not knowing this stuff, including most naturopaths and homeopaths is not just that they don’t know but that they don’t want to know and are very resistant or dismissive to listening to a patient trying bring up any of this type of information.
I have yet to find any doctor that has been willing to even give me the proper tests.
I asked my doctor to run these tests and she refused. She told me it wasn't necessary. Very frustrating.
Go to Personelabs.com and order your own labs. Print out. Go to lab corp... Cheap easy. It's the law now that you can order your own labs and get your own results.
@@briks145 Same but I insisted then the lab didn't run them even after they told me I would have to pay and I said that's okay. The Dr had to ring them and say do the damn test - lucky they still had my samples.
Mine refused too, she said it wasn't necessary.
After watching dr Childs, I asked her to check my cortisol and it was very high and I took dr childs supplements and it went down do fast.
She never told me what to do about it.
Or change diet so frustrating
@@66jaws can I do this while in Canada?
Thanks dr
So strange why doctors doesn't know this info
It has to do with how physicians are taught. What I am referring to here is simple physiology but it's the application of the physiology to clinical medicine where the communication breaks down. That's why I try to make connections between conditions doctors are aware of already (euthyroid sick syndrome) to make the connection easier to understand.
Lot's of doctors I've been to are nothing more than pharmaceutical salespeople. A real doctor who does root cause and detective work is very rare.
It’s because they don’t learn it this should change they should learn it and be pharmacists as well as drs would save people a lot of stress. When taking pills 💊
They don’t want you to know they want us to take the 💊
I have a suggestion. Why don't you watch your videos on your smartphone so you can see what we are seeing, which is nothing! Your GRAPHICS are way to small! The info your talking about is great but you talk to fast. So only catching bits and pieces of what your saying.
How do you speak so quickly.... like you're in a voice racing car competition?
Lol, this literally had me laughing out loud.
I appreciate it. Keeps me processing ehat he is saying with out wondering off. Lol!
Press the 3 dots at top of video and the drop down menu will show playback speed at Normal. Change it to 75x and it will be slowed down.
@@MacyApple Same here!!
If a dr. does not have adequate training in thyroid treatment, they should not be treating it. It is a speciality field imo and most of them just don't get it or don't want to do the work involved to get to the bottom of the problem. This is someone's health, and a bandaide is not the answer. If your dr. will not do a whole thyroid panel, go to one that will.
This ist so right, thank you!
Omg, people, why’s everybody complaining about the speed, it’s ok.FYI you can change speed
I know. There's a lot of information to cover
Thank you very much for producing the best resource on how to treat rt3 on the internet.
You wrote that you never saw a patient with high rt3 and low fasting insulin. But that is me. Rt3 of 42, and low fasting insulin.
Same !
I too have rt3 of 28.6- high and a fasting insulin of 2.8 ( on the low side)
Thank you! Just in time when I needed this info.
You're welcome!
Thank you! LOVE the speed you're speaking lol. Such a boring topic, keeps me on my toes to speak this quickly. Really informative, thank you!
how much T3 do you recommend daily to flush out rT3 over the weeks?
Thank you Hypothyrodism Hashimotos has made my life a living hell since 2008
I do well for years than all of the sudden i hit rock bottom and have to start all over to get thee optimal levels
THANK YOU so much for making such a detailed video about the issues surrounding rt3. I have been researching into this after experiencing unusual hypo symptoms despite not being diagnosed with a thyroid issue. I do have pcos and so always put them down to that. When I started experiencing unusual hairloss and eyebrows shedding I began to think it was a little deeper than just pcos.
Can you see any abnormalities in the following thyroid bloods below
MY THYROIDS RESULTS.:
TSH: 1.8 miu/l (0.27 - 4.2)
T4: 17.2 pmol/L (12 - 22)
T3: 4.73 pol/L (3.1 - 6.8)
RT3: 23 (10 - 24)
FT3 : RT3: 13.39 ratio >15
Thyroglobulin Antibodies: 14.6ku/L
How is it possible to have very low TSH and high reverse T3 with symptoms of both hyper and hypo? I've been gluten free for 6 months, and my appetite has gotten so low that it's hard to eat enough without foods with gluten.
Lianda Ludwig I had low t3 and a high reverse t3 on naturethroid. Hyper/hypo symptoms can be similar, I have had the same happen to me. I hope your Dr. Helps you lower that reverse t3.. low TSH is pointless if you have high reverse t3. And I was told that people feel the best when the tsh is suppressed. I had perfect tsh t3, t4, and high reverse t3.. felt horrible! It made me depressed and I was never depressed in my life. I am now starting on t3 only.. naturethroid and t3 together were not working for me. Hope you are well :)
You can't really be hypothyroid and hyperthyroid at the same time. It is possible, however, to have a low TSH and a high reverse T3 on Lt4 medications such as levothyroxine. But you have to realize that a low TSH doesn't automatically mean you are hyperthyroid.
MSM 23:02 This unexpectedly caused a massive bleed in my leg. It's going to take 6 months to heal.
I love how you explain things. I wish more doctors were like you.
Me too. There aren't many Endocrinologists in my area and the one I go to, who is supposed to be highly recommended is not very knowledgeable at all. I had to tell her about this Dr. and needing to try T 3 medication because my Levothyroxine wasn't working, after she tried to tell me there was nothing she could do for me and that I needed to go to my Primary Dr., Nutrionist and Psychiatrist. I was very upset with her, obviously. After I told her what this Dr. said, she sent me for Thyroid levels blood tests and after she read my results she immediately lowered my Levothyroxine to 75 Mcg n put me on Liothyronine 5 Mcg. So, thank you for helping me help my Endo Dr. help me!!!
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