Yuan Bo:the son who always does the tax work Maio Ying:voted best girl Zhao ming:smart hipster who spends his time in family therapy and hanging out with women Li dao:the son that goes to anger management and has a love hate relationship with his friend/enemy Yin-yin:think of the song we don’t talk about Bruno no no no but warhammer version Shen zoo:college genius with a bright future the 3 other dragons:unknown
I mean I give Games Workshop most of the credit in terms of coming up with the right names and references for things to make Cathay feel authentic to a fantasy Chinese faction. Like CA did a great job executing that but the IP and the content would be Games Workshop's to begin with. Like CA would not be able to make up stuff randomly and add it into the game without running it by Games Workshop
Love how they incorporated the 4 symbols with the Dragon children. Li Dao will definitely be added in with Monkey King as FLC. And I see Yuan Bo as a Lo Pan type character 😂
God if they got James Hong to voice one of the Dragon Children, the Monkey King, or (if we do see playable Jade Blooded Vampires) Harakhte I’d be so happy.
Another interesting lore mentioned by games workshop is how Archaon the ever chosen fought and killed a chaos dragon named Yien-Ya-Long or Flamefang. It’s appearance was serpentine and have caused much damage to Cathay for quite a while. Could be one of the missing kids.
I really like the new lore, and I hope GW expand upon it in their new Old World setting. Would love to read a three kingdoms style book series set in Grand Cathay, maybe starting with a blue (tzeentch) turban rebellion
I'm really getting similar vibes from the Dragon Emperor and his children, that I get from the Emperor of Mankind and the Primarchs from 40k, and seeing as how we refer to the Emperor as "Big E" I think we can refer to the Dragon Emperor as "Big D"
I liked the theory about one of the dragons resenting his father and starting his own cult in Nippon, being worshipped there as the "true" dragon emperor. Or that fanart of one of the dragons which has been resurrected by a Jade Vampire which could be a new faction in the top right part of the map which is currently empty.
Kinda hoping in the Mortal Empires map and if we get Yin-Yin, we can launch an invasion to either Lustria or the Southlands for colonization reasons and to finally redeem his or her failure before. But then again, Lustria as it stands is so cramped that it's a constant warzone between Lizardmen, Undead, Human, and Elf. Lustria would an expansion, along with the rest of the Southlands.
There are eight winds of magic but nine dragons. We know Miao Ying is Life, Zhao Ming is Metal, Li Dao is Fire, Yin Yin is Beast, Shen Zoo is Light and the dragon lying at the bottom of the river is death. That Leaves Yuan Bo and two other missing dragons. I'd assume one of the missing ones is the shadow one, so do we know if Yuan Bo is the Heaven dragon or the missing one? I'd assume Yuan Bo being more of an administrator would be the windless one. Also, in Archaons story, he fights a Chinese-looking dragon. Granted this lore is from before the Cathay updates so it might not be canon anymore but if they have incorporated the story into the new lore, that dragon might be one of the missing ones. Maybe the shadow one?
This is why I started following you. You have a way with telling the lores of different TW titles in such a beautiful manner that I cannot get enough of it. Specially your proper pronunciation of the nouns. Keep it up! ❤
Miao ying: Ruler of northern provinces Zhao ming: Ruler of western provinces Yuan bo: Central provinces and currently invading lustria Yin yin: Ruler of eastern provinces and commander of the dragon fleet.. ( next dlc soon). Li dao : fire dragon of the south and currently fighting the monkey king, khuresh and ind! Probably the last DLC for Cathay. Shen zoo: missing.. went up north.. probably captured by chaos gods. Shiyama: The original oldest child of the emperor.. She was slain by someone? And now she resides in the spirit river guiding the souls of cathayans.. the emperor cries everytime he passes the river. The other two are still unknown! Probably corrupted by chaos or rebelled against thr dragon emperor..
This is such a cool and tasteful way to do eastern dragons. I always feel Chinese style dragons are neglected but they can be a really interesting type of being somewhere between God and Person. Hope they flesh it out more.
It would be cool if they made a nod to other parts of chinese history or culture, maybe a smaller faction or rebel faction inspired by Song Jiang/The water margin or a guan yu type character or three kingdoms reference
I think GW might hesitate to create many human characters right now, as The Old World takes place centuries before the "current" setting of TWW, meaning that everyone they create wouldn't have been born yet.
Interesting to see how dragons in East Asia are revered while the ones in Europe are often scorned. Which reflects how the dragons in the old world such as wyverns and terrogheist looks scary af and belongs to green skins and vampires while Cathayan dragons are the opposite.
While they are both called Dragon , I think they are actually two entirely different species. Western Dragon is pretty much lizards with wings while Eastern Dragon is inspired by snakes. Their biggest similarity is their heads but even those were very different in mythology: Western Dragon has bird like head while Eastern Dragon has Lion like head with horn.
Ha, he thinks I would only like the video at the end, little does he know I instantly like any of his videos I watch! Very interesting as usual, keep up the great work :)
Great video but one thing, the onyx crowmen are different from the moon empress agents. The info comes from an interview where Andy Hall describes groups of the crowmen flying, and states they're different from the agents. So both are servants of the moon empress, but agents would be like witch hunters whereas the crowmen would be some sort of creature or construct, maybe like magical sniffer dogs, tracking down hidden magic users.
no that's a very good question and the simple answer is because they are not human. Even in traditional Chinese mythology, even deities that were previously human would use an alternative name called 号 (hao) instead of their traditional Surname + Name structure. And some historical "hao" that you might be familiar with are things like Sleeping Dragon for Zhuge Liang or the (Beautiful) Monkey King as his Chinese Hao would be (美)猴王 for Sun Wukong which would be his monk name given by his master. Now these dragons probably never had regular human names to begin with as it is said the Dragon Emperor had to learn how to transform into a human to better rule his subjects.
Yin Yin = Lore of Beasts, perhaps? Spirit Dragon = Lore of Death. I think there's a hint they're still somewhat alive, as I saw a screenshot of an event where their yell of sorrow at the fractured family gives +40 relations between Zhao and Miao. We can probably see their appearance in the Ancestral Warriors spell. Thus, out of the two missing one must be the dragon of the Lore of Shadows. The last one wouldn't have any associated lore so I wonder what their story is. They also bring the gender balance / harmony of the family out of whack.
If I had to guess the 9th dragon is either A: Not associated with any wind of magic because they’re uniquely untalented with the winds of magic but makes up for it by being the best melee fighter of the Dragons (Basically Cathayan Konrad Von Carstein). B: They’re uniquely able to use spells from both the lore of Yin and Yang. C: They’re Lore of Tzeentch since they’re the 9th Dragon Child and 9 is the number of Tzeentch so maybe the 9th Child fell to Chaos.
@@InquisitorThomas I think all dragons (and Shugengan) can use all eight winds, it's just for gameplay balance ("lore") that they prefer to use a limited amount of them. The Shugengan voice lines certainly support it, they say they are masters of the eight winds. Even if the 9th fell to Tzeentch that doesn't answer the question of what they were like originally.
As usual, another great video from our dear friend. Be sure, mate, that I will watch very carefully your campaigns and I do hope that you will do both the Cathayan factions that are playable, Miao Ying the Storm Dragon and the Zhao Ming the Iron Dragon. But in this point, since it's the first Cathay lore video, I would like to give a Greek perspective to the name. Cathay is the other national name for China. As ST has pointed out, the name "China" comes from the very first dynasty to unite the whole of the Chinese world, the Qin dynasty (I hope I write it correctly in the Latin alphabet). But this is not the first name, as in the Greek world the country was known from the Archaic period as "Cathay", written in Greek letters "Καθαίη" (Ka-thέ-i) or "Καθαία" (Ka-thέ-a), depending on the pronunciation of the last vowel in each of the three main dialects (Ionic and Aeolian the first, Doric the other). The meaning is the people who live very far in the East. Herodotus, the first who mentions Cathay in his books, clearly states about the big estates in the East, at war with each other, but their people belong to the same nation, and India had many exchanges with them through difficult roads over the Himalayan passes. But since his journeys stop in the Indian world and the Himalayas, he doesn't provide anything more specific about Cathay. Obviously, he was talking about the Warring States, as the unification under Qin Shi Huang Ti happened around the timeline of the great Macedonian expansion (or a bit later, as the Qin empire was well known at the Seleukid palace around 210 BC). Thus, the creators used the ancient name that the Greeks knew this country before the unification by the Qin dynasty and it's a good name. Hope that this provides you just a hint of info about the view the Greeks had of the Chinese world and the origins of the name we have in the game. Have a nice time.
I wish they add in monkey king or Nippon . I would love some monkey warrior and king Kong beast. They can port in 4-6 (spear ashirua , naginata warrior nun, sword or bow samurai, mount samurai and no daichi samuria for anti cav)unit form shogun total war and add in another 6 to 8 mystical unit( kappa defensive monster, snow maiden flying unit , oni as offensive beast unit , and last and kasha as the cav monster unit.)for Nippon
I would say the Monkey King is 100% going to happen. Nippon will have to depend on Games Workshop since it would require not only the creation of a faction for Warhammer III but like all the accompany lore and characters for the regular Old World Warhammer universe
I have a feeling DLC will include Xen yang old emperor but still powerful will be one faction. Dragon Knights or minor dragons as units His wife the Moon empress Gui Yin will be like more supportive Faction same as the high elf Queen, my guess her units will more be moon and healing will be fun to see the map area shroud in moonlight
I recall CA saying that the Celestial Dragon Emperor and the Moon Empress are not going to be playable because of how powerful they are. That and the Dragon Emperor has withdrawn above Weijin to focus on his projects, distancing himself from his subjects.
Sorry but I think there might be a mistake here. Yuan Bo is in charge of the Central Provinces, primarily from the city of Shang Wu. Wei’jin is located in the Imperial Provinces which lies on the eastern end of the Great Bastion near the Dragon River. We don’t actually know if there is a dragon that resides in Wei’jin, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was Shen-Zoo’s job (if she wasn’t lost that is).
I think that the Sea Dragon is also associated with the lore of beast (Lore of Wood in Cathay in correlation to Wu Xing), which is strange at first glance. Though knowing how she is an expansionist, it make sense how she is associated with wood since wood can represent growth. Or it may just be that wood is associated with ships, which is what you need inorder to have a fleet to guard the coast of Cathay.
I mean it comes down to the fact that dragons technically have access to all eight lores because they all practice Feng Shi but they just specialize in a few so there is probably many way to explain it
@@SeriousTrivia i hope grand Cathay have have missing units like the standard celestial dragon monster unit not the emperor horned one ogre of monstrous infantry unit?and it says from the website I looked at??
I really hope we get Dragon-Blooded legendary lords, this migth look like a downgrade from the full dragon lords that Grand Cathay opens with, but i really love the fantasy of the Dragon-Blooded.
Though I’m curious about the dragon siblings I’m actually more interested in knowing about the other dragons that is the same generation as the celestial dragon emperor and the moon empress I felt like it was said that since the planet was moved nearer to the sun? The other dragons don’t like it and just went to hibernation? Like really convenient that all of them just sleeps while the dragon emperors and moon empress roam around unlike the others
I feel like most likely Games Workshop finally hired a Chinese consultant on picking how to setup the Cathay lore whereas the earlier stuff can be more made up because they never intended to flesh out Cathay
and also none of the nine sons are dragons either so I felt like there is no need to mention it here. There is actually a ton of little references throughout the game too as if you about why the three gates of the Great Bastion are Snake, Dragon, and Turtle, it is because 玄武, the Black Tortoise guardian of the north is a mythical Tortoise with a Snake wrapped around its body and the Great Bastion defends Grand Cathay from the north
no I think that would actually be boring. Like I personally would much rather see the Monkey King as a DLC first and even the spy network of the Moon Empress ran by the Onyx Crowmen as a legendary lord with some covert spy mechanic sounds more exciting but I am not going to complain if they add say Li Dao since that would mean more units to add to the roster for things like multiplayer as I feel like a few more cheap flyers will make Cathay a lot stronger since right now they don't have anything cheap to protect their sky junks
@@SeriousTrivia Yeah, I mean Li Dao would be there when they would introduce Khuresh later, the same with Yin Yin and Nipppon, but I got what you mean. The Monkey King would be a very interesting addition and should be prioritsed
@@SeriousTrivia The Dragon siblings are definitely FLC material. And honestly, I wouldn't mind if we never got Yuan Bo as he isn't really a fighter. Just give me Yin Yin and Li Dao. (And maybe a chaos corrupted shadow dragon, that could be cool.)
Seeing the names just makes me wonder why GW decided to use Pinyin for some and tossed it into the air for others. Like Xen Yang and Shen Zoo 申阳， 申珠, the Xen/Shen is the same character but different spelling. I understand that the references were probably done by some British bloke with some cursory understanding of China/Chinese culture, but the choice of Feng Shi in place of Feng Shui, caused me to I think of 风湿 (gout) in mind when I first saw the name lol...
In the case of Feng Shi, using 筮 which means divination is actually a solid choice since they are going for high magic that covers all eight winds of magic so wind divination makes a lot of sense
Is there any other type of dragons in Chinese myth apart from serpentine? One of the concerns should CA decide to make all dragon siblings as LLs is they feel samey samey
nope Chinese dragons are all serpentine in shape if we are talking about the style drawn after the Song Dynasty. The ones before would just be a little bit shorter looking a bit more beast like but still not going to have wings or anything like a western dragon
One is an oversized lizard with wings that allows themselves to be tamed as rides while the other is a older than god shape shifting serpentine overlords of Grand Cathay
Yuan Bo:the son who always does the tax work
Maio Ying:voted best girl
Zhao ming:smart hipster who spends his time in family therapy and hanging out with women
Li dao:the son that goes to anger management and has a love hate relationship with his friend/enemy
Yin-yin:think of the song we don’t talk about Bruno no no no but warhammer version
Shen zoo:college genius with a bright future
the 3 other dragons:unknown
I felt that they learned a lot from Three Kingdoms in order to make Grand Cathay a more immersive and accurate fantasy Chinese faction.
I mean I give Games Workshop most of the credit in terms of coming up with the right names and references for things to make Cathay feel authentic to a fantasy Chinese faction. Like CA did a great job executing that but the IP and the content would be Games Workshop's to begin with. Like CA would not be able to make up stuff randomly and add it into the game without running it by Games Workshop
Love how they incorporated the 4 symbols with the Dragon children. Li Dao will definitely be added in with Monkey King as FLC. And I see Yuan Bo as a Lo Pan type character 😂
God if they got James Hong to voice one of the Dragon Children, the Monkey King, or (if we do see playable Jade Blooded Vampires) Harakhte I’d be so happy.
@@InquisitorThomas James hong would be an awesome choice
Another interesting lore mentioned by games workshop is how Archaon the ever chosen fought and killed a chaos dragon named Yien-Ya-Long or Flamefang. It’s appearance was serpentine and have caused much damage to Cathay for quite a while. Could be one of the missing kids.
炎牙龙, yeah, that's a Flamefang alright lol. Sounds like how a monster in Monster Hunter is named in Chinese too.
I really like the new lore, and I hope GW expand upon it in their new Old World setting. Would love to read a three kingdoms style book series set in Grand Cathay, maybe starting with a blue (tzeentch) turban rebellion
i like Zhao Ming, he sounds like a fun NPC idea
Imrik: Just what I've been waiting for 😏
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I'm really getting similar vibes from the Dragon Emperor and his children, that I get from the Emperor of Mankind and the Primarchs from 40k, and seeing as how we refer to the Emperor as "Big E" I think we can refer to the Dragon Emperor as "Big D"
Big D is a vampire hunter.... I think.
cathays reasoning for going after ursun was so fucking papper thin.
Can totally see a dlc featuring the southern dragon and the monkey king set in the floating mountains of southern Cathay.
I liked the theory about one of the dragons resenting his father and starting his own cult in Nippon, being worshipped there as the "true" dragon emperor. Or that fanart of one of the dragons which has been resurrected by a Jade Vampire which could be a new faction in the top right part of the map which is currently empty.
Well we only know of 6 so I hope both theories are correct. Honestly with their being so many it pretty much locks in more DLC and lore.
Kinda hoping in the Mortal Empires map and if we get Yin-Yin, we can launch an invasion to either Lustria or the Southlands for colonization reasons and to finally redeem his or her failure before. But then again, Lustria as it stands is so cramped that it's a constant warzone between Lizardmen, Undead, Human, and Elf. Lustria would an expansion, along with the rest of the Southlands.
I hear ya. There's a reason why people jokingly call that place the Lustria Bowel.
There are eight winds of magic but nine dragons. We know Miao Ying is Life, Zhao Ming is Metal, Li Dao is Fire, Yin Yin is Beast, Shen Zoo is Light and the dragon lying at the bottom of the river is death. That Leaves Yuan Bo and two other missing dragons. I'd assume one of the missing ones is the shadow one, so do we know if Yuan Bo is the Heaven dragon or the missing one? I'd assume Yuan Bo being more of an administrator would be the windless one.
Also, in Archaons story, he fights a Chinese-looking dragon. Granted this lore is from before the Cathay updates so it might not be canon anymore but if they have incorporated the story into the new lore, that dragon might be one of the missing ones. Maybe the shadow one?
Yuan Bo is Heavens.
@@kallemort Do we know for sure?
It’s mentioned he prefers Heaven like his father so I guess that’s confirmation?
I thought yuan Bo was the jade dragon?
@@S1lvermoon yes jade aka a stone is linked to the lore of heavens in Grand Cathay as the stone element = heavens
This is why I started following you. You have a way with telling the lores of different TW titles in such a beautiful manner that I cannot get enough of it. Specially your proper pronunciation of the nouns. Keep it up! ❤
Miao ying: Ruler of northern provinces
Zhao ming: Ruler of western provinces
Yuan bo: Central provinces and currently invading lustria
Yin yin: Ruler of eastern provinces and commander of the dragon fleet.. ( next dlc soon).
Li dao : fire dragon of the south and currently fighting the monkey king, khuresh and ind! Probably the last DLC for Cathay.
Shen zoo: missing.. went up north.. probably captured by chaos gods.
Shiyama: The original oldest child of the emperor.. She was slain by someone? And now she resides in the spirit river guiding the souls of cathayans.. the emperor cries everytime he passes the river.
The other two are still unknown! Probably corrupted by chaos or rebelled against thr dragon emperor..
This is such a cool and tasteful way to do eastern dragons. I always feel Chinese style dragons are neglected but they can be a really interesting type of being somewhere between God and Person. Hope they flesh it out more.
I believe the dragon under the river was referred to as the "soul dragon" in Warhammer III... hopefully a death wind dragon!
It would be cool if they made a nod to other parts of chinese history or culture, maybe a smaller faction or rebel faction inspired by Song Jiang/The water margin or a guan yu type character or three kingdoms reference
I think GW might hesitate to create many human characters right now, as The Old World takes place centuries before the "current" setting of TWW, meaning that everyone they create wouldn't have been born yet.
Who would win in a fight? Decendents of a literal dragon god, or THE MEANEST AND GREENEST GIT WIF AN AXE AND SOME O' DAH BOIS?
In the lore.. grimgor and skavens destroyed nippon
Interesting to see how dragons in East Asia are revered while the ones in Europe are often scorned. Which reflects how the dragons in the old world such as wyverns and terrogheist looks scary af and belongs to green skins and vampires while Cathayan dragons are the opposite.
While they are both called Dragon , I think they are actually two entirely different species. Western Dragon is pretty much lizards with wings while Eastern Dragon is inspired by snakes. Their biggest similarity is their heads but even those were very different in mythology: Western Dragon has bird like head while Eastern Dragon has Lion like head with horn.
Ha, he thinks I would only like the video at the end, little does he know I instantly like any of his videos I watch!
Very interesting as usual, keep up the great work :)
Great video but one thing, the onyx crowmen are different from the moon empress agents. The info comes from an interview where Andy Hall describes groups of the crowmen flying, and states they're different from the agents. So both are servants of the moon empress, but agents would be like witch hunters whereas the crowmen would be some sort of creature or construct, maybe like magical sniffer dogs, tracking down hidden magic users.
I feel like lore-based vids are your niche when it comes to YT content, cant get enough of it :v
Quick question and excuse my ignorance. But how come the dragon siblings don't share a clan name?
no that's a very good question and the simple answer is because they are not human. Even in traditional Chinese mythology, even deities that were previously human would use an alternative name called 号 (hao) instead of their traditional Surname + Name structure. And some historical "hao" that you might be familiar with are things like Sleeping Dragon for Zhuge Liang or the (Beautiful) Monkey King as his Chinese Hao would be (美)猴王 for Sun Wukong which would be his monk name given by his master. Now these dragons probably never had regular human names to begin with as it is said the Dragon Emperor had to learn how to transform into a human to better rule his subjects.
Yin Yin = Lore of Beasts, perhaps?
Spirit Dragon = Lore of Death. I think there's a hint they're still somewhat alive, as I saw a screenshot of an event where their yell of sorrow at the fractured family gives +40 relations between Zhao and Miao. We can probably see their appearance in the Ancestral Warriors spell.
Thus, out of the two missing one must be the dragon of the Lore of Shadows. The last one wouldn't have any associated lore so I wonder what their story is. They also bring the gender balance / harmony of the family out of whack.
If I had to guess the 9th dragon is either
A: Not associated with any wind of magic because they’re uniquely untalented with the winds of magic but makes up for it by being the best melee fighter of the Dragons (Basically Cathayan Konrad Von Carstein).
B: They’re uniquely able to use spells from both the lore of Yin and Yang.
C: They’re Lore of Tzeentch since they’re the 9th Dragon Child and 9 is the number of Tzeentch so maybe the 9th Child fell to Chaos.
@@InquisitorThomas I think all dragons (and Shugengan) can use all eight winds, it's just for gameplay balance ("lore") that they prefer to use a limited amount of them. The Shugengan voice lines certainly support it, they say they are masters of the eight winds.
Even if the 9th fell to Tzeentch that doesn't answer the question of what they were like originally.
As usual, another great video from our dear friend. Be sure, mate, that I will watch very carefully your campaigns and I do hope that you will do both the Cathayan factions that are playable, Miao Ying the Storm Dragon and the Zhao Ming the Iron Dragon. But in this point, since it's the first Cathay lore video, I would like to give a Greek perspective to the name.
Cathay is the other national name for China. As ST has pointed out, the name "China" comes from the very first dynasty to unite the whole of the Chinese world, the Qin dynasty (I hope I write it correctly in the Latin alphabet). But this is not the first name, as in the Greek world the country was known from the Archaic period as "Cathay", written in Greek letters "Καθαίη" (Ka-thέ-i) or "Καθαία" (Ka-thέ-a), depending on the pronunciation of the last vowel in each of the three main dialects (Ionic and Aeolian the first, Doric the other). The meaning is the people who live very far in the East. Herodotus, the first who mentions Cathay in his books, clearly states about the big estates in the East, at war with each other, but their people belong to the same nation, and India had many exchanges with them through difficult roads over the Himalayan passes. But since his journeys stop in the Indian world and the Himalayas, he doesn't provide anything more specific about Cathay. Obviously, he was talking about the Warring States, as the unification under Qin Shi Huang Ti happened around the timeline of the great Macedonian expansion (or a bit later, as the Qin empire was well known at the Seleukid palace around 210 BC). Thus, the creators used the ancient name that the Greeks knew this country before the unification by the Qin dynasty and it's a good name.
Hope that this provides you just a hint of info about the view the Greeks had of the Chinese world and the origins of the name we have in the game. Have a nice time.
I wish they add in monkey king or Nippon . I would love some monkey warrior and king Kong beast. They can port in 4-6 (spear ashirua , naginata warrior nun, sword or bow samurai, mount samurai and no daichi samuria for anti cav)unit form shogun total war and add in another 6 to 8 mystical unit( kappa defensive monster, snow maiden flying unit , oni as offensive beast unit , and last and kasha as the cav monster unit.)for Nippon
I would say the Monkey King is 100% going to happen. Nippon will have to depend on Games Workshop since it would require not only the creation of a faction for Warhammer III but like all the accompany lore and characters for the regular Old World Warhammer universe
I have a feeling DLC will include
Xen yang old emperor but still powerful will be one faction. Dragon Knights or minor dragons as units
His wife the Moon empress Gui Yin will be like more supportive Faction same as the high elf Queen, my guess her units will more be moon and healing will be fun to see the map area shroud in moonlight
I recall CA saying that the Celestial Dragon Emperor and the Moon Empress are not going to be playable because of how powerful they are. That and the Dragon Emperor has withdrawn above Weijin to focus on his projects, distancing himself from his subjects.
@@Torag55 aw man well we can only wish their children then
At least there are standard dragons cannot transform into human single monster unit for grand Cathay??
Sorry but I think there might be a mistake here. Yuan Bo is in charge of the Central Provinces, primarily from the city of Shang Wu. Wei’jin is located in the Imperial Provinces which lies on the eastern end of the Great Bastion near the Dragon River. We don’t actually know if there is a dragon that resides in Wei’jin, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was Shen-Zoo’s job (if she wasn’t lost that is).
I hope cathay gets more monster units, was kinda disappointed tho, thought they have like crazy dragon units etc.. :/ i hope we get a dlc with that.
This was really good dude, amazing.
thanks for starting Warhammer lore series,i knew you will do it one day!
Can’t wait for wh3 first campaign will be cathay not sure which sibling yet though
I think that the Sea Dragon is also associated with the lore of beast (Lore of Wood in Cathay in correlation to Wu Xing), which is strange at first glance. Though knowing how she is an expansionist, it make sense how she is associated with wood since wood can represent growth.
Or it may just be that wood is associated with ships, which is what you need inorder to have a fleet to guard the coast of Cathay.
I mean it comes down to the fact that dragons technically have access to all eight lores because they all practice Feng Shi but they just specialize in a few so there is probably many way to explain it
@@SeriousTrivia i hope grand Cathay have have missing units like the standard celestial dragon monster unit not the emperor horned one ogre of monstrous infantry unit?and it says from the website I looked at??
@@marvinvasquez9437 There won't be generic dragon units, that was retconned out. Cathayan Ogres might happen.
@@kallemort they do have a standard dragon monster unit cannot transform human form!!! And I check from the other peoples comments!!!😡😡😡😡
@@marvinvasquez9437 Those were present in older lore, but Andy Hall confirmed they don't exist anymore.
I really hope we get Dragon-Blooded legendary lords, this migth look like a downgrade from the full dragon lords that Grand Cathay opens with, but i really love the fantasy of the Dragon-Blooded.
I mean they are lords right now so I guess we can get some lore added and make a “special” dragon-blooded legendary lord
This is what I meant when I asked for lore videos of WHIII :D
Imagine a feral Chinese dragon like the Children of the dragon price go nut’s there minds are reduced to animal instincts
Though I’m curious about the dragon siblings I’m actually more interested in knowing about the other dragons that is the same generation as the celestial dragon emperor and the moon empress
I felt like it was said that since the planet was moved nearer to the sun? The other dragons don’t like it and just went to hibernation? Like really convenient that all of them just sleeps while the dragon emperors and moon empress roam around unlike the others
all of this just feels like its different just for the sake of being different wile pissing on a lot of the earlier lore
I feel like most likely Games Workshop finally hired a Chinese consultant on picking how to setup the Cathay lore whereas the earlier stuff can be more made up because they never intended to flesh out Cathay
昭 should be the first tone.
I think the only reference you missed was 龍生九子. Even though they are not Sons. The number 9 is still culturally significant.
and also none of the nine sons are dragons either so I felt like there is no need to mention it here. There is actually a ton of little references throughout the game too as if you about why the three gates of the Great Bastion are Snake, Dragon, and Turtle, it is because 玄武, the Black Tortoise guardian of the north is a mythical Tortoise with a Snake wrapped around its body and the Great Bastion defends Grand Cathay from the north
Thise Video made me a Cathay awsome !
In the website fandom there are standard dragon monster unit in grand Cathay goes by the name of bejeweled golden dragon?
If they actually put the dedication in WH3 to 3K
Does that mean all the other siblings gonna become DLC lords? Just excited to ask this XD
no I think that would actually be boring. Like I personally would much rather see the Monkey King as a DLC first and even the spy network of the Moon Empress ran by the Onyx Crowmen as a legendary lord with some covert spy mechanic sounds more exciting but I am not going to complain if they add say Li Dao since that would mean more units to add to the roster for things like multiplayer as I feel like a few more cheap flyers will make Cathay a lot stronger since right now they don't have anything cheap to protect their sky junks
@@SeriousTrivia Yeah, I mean Li Dao would be there when they would introduce Khuresh later, the same with Yin Yin and Nipppon, but I got what you mean. The Monkey King would be a very interesting addition and should be prioritsed
@@SeriousTrivia The Dragon siblings are definitely FLC material. And honestly, I wouldn't mind if we never got Yuan Bo as he isn't really a fighter. Just give me Yin Yin and Li Dao. (And maybe a chaos corrupted shadow dragon, that could be cool.)
Hell yes, warhammer lets talk lore!
Seeing the names just makes me wonder why GW decided to use Pinyin for some and tossed it into the air for others.
Like Xen Yang and Shen Zoo 申阳， 申珠, the Xen/Shen is the same character but different spelling.
I understand that the references were probably done by some British bloke with some cursory understanding of China/Chinese culture, but the choice of Feng Shi in place of Feng Shui, caused me to I think of 风湿 (gout) in mind when I first saw the name lol...
In the case of Feng Shi, using 筮 which means divination is actually a solid choice since they are going for high magic that covers all eight winds of magic so wind divination makes a lot of sense
Is there any other type of dragons in Chinese myth apart from serpentine? One of the concerns should CA decide to make all dragon siblings as LLs is they feel samey samey
nope Chinese dragons are all serpentine in shape if we are talking about the style drawn after the Song Dynasty. The ones before would just be a little bit shorter looking a bit more beast like but still not going to have wings or anything like a western dragon
Whats the difference between elven dragons and Cathay dragons
One is an oversized lizard with wings that allows themselves to be tamed as rides while the other is a older than god shape shifting serpentine overlords of Grand Cathay
Elven dragons: Mindless.. like a horse.
Cathayan dragons: Very old dragons, wise and can turn into humans
Where is this lore from? Did CA write some new lore?
Games Workshop did the lore. Most of the information are from Andy Hall’s interview
nice vid
老哥，你怎么做到英文这么好的！
小时候来美国读的书，还是中文没丢比较神奇
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According to my European standards those are levitating lizards not dragons, but otherwise nice video.
hehe, according to Chinese standards, why would a divine beast need wings to fly =P
@@SeriousTrivia savage
I love you 💖, no homo tho.