Chief Gods of the Celts
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- The chief gods of the Celts, according to medieval sources, as well as the "non-gods".
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In France, the city of Angers (the Angevins) and its region, Anjou, was inhabited by a Gaulish tribe, the Andes. Following you, their name would mean «the tribe of the non god» = «An Dés», divinities of the underworld.
This name was obscure to me until now.
Goibniu was Gobanitio in Gaul, and it means the blacksmith, in Breton Le Goff, Goffanon in Welsh.
Tuireann is Taranis, from Tonerre in French, meaning Thunder.
Same language (or dialects from it), same gods, same Celtic/lndoeuropean background.
Richard Longues Could you tell me more about Le Goff, Goffanon? I am very fascinated as my mothers maiden name is Goff.
@@buffy377 well, there are many interesting things, but you could start by reading this:
lornasmithers.wordpress.com/2019/11/07/the-forge-of-gofannon/
Cheers !
The tribe that inhabited Angers were the Andecavi (Andecauii). The exact meaning of their name is uncertain, but the first element is ande- (a modifier meaning "very") rather than an- "not". "Non-god" in Gaulish would be Andêuos (plural Andêuoi). And the Gaulish name/equivalent of Goibniu is Gobannos.
@@joecato1138 ln fact the Angevine tribe had 2 names -or variants of the same- (according to Caesar's Commentarii de Bello Gallico): Andes/Andecavii (just like Bigerri/Bigerriones, Pimpedunni/Bipedimui, Pictavii/Pictones, Catalauni/Catuvellauni), etc.
You seem to be a neo-pagan, using reconstructed Gaulish, as if it were something beyond doubt, which is certainly not.
I try to stick, as much as l can, to proven knowledge, not to a body of reconstructed suppositions. I like what you do, but we are in hypothetical grounds, We just can't bring an extant language back based on some tenth's of Gaulish inscriptions dating mainly from more than 2.000 years ago and present it like the real one. It's not the original and it's forms have many bias.
@@richardlongues4695 I actually just seen this reply sadly but I did read the article and it is intriguing. Is there where you believe the sir name Goff might have came from?
17:00 precisely. There ain’t much of a hard line between which Gods can do what. Wielding lightning isn’t really exclusive for thunder Gods like Taranis and his three sons. We know that Balor, Dagda, and Lugh all wield electricity as a weapon at some point.
Read this and observe with my giddiness the correspondence/relationship of the sanskrit mantra/syllable Aum to growth
www.counter-currents.com/2018/05/introduction-to-vedanta-part-ii/
That’s very interesting. What’s less interesting is UA-cam not posting my comment when I typed it a day ago.
I mean lugh is a storm god
Because lightning is an aspect of the sun - there seems to be a pattern in PIE; sacred fire, profane fire, and celestial/cosmic fire, of which lightning is a part of.
Amazing work 💪
The tree of fire sounds quite a bit like a burning bush, doesn't it? And like a line of descent from a first seed soul, eh?
Hmmm
Manannán mac Lir is clearly the Irish sea god. The solar deity is Angus Óg, son of The Daghda. He was conceived as was custom in the Newgrange on winter solstice. He's the sun hero of winter. Irish kings ritually conceived inside that temple on the solstice in continuation of the Angus cultus.
Bless you brother
Thank you for putting this together, it's very helpful.
Love love love your videos. Think to help break the compartmentalization perhaps a series for each deity and breaking down their name translation as well as what they're associated with. I know you've done that in some videos, but I think they get lost with all the other information in those.
Brilliant! Mesmerising! Excellent! Thank you 🌹☘️
Greetings! just want to say Grate work and love the chanal,
may I ask do you have the source material, I would love to continue my own study, and was seeking the material to complete it!
Thank you
What do you think of Manannán? I think you barely ever refer to him, but I believe his character in the surviving folklore needs to be addressed in order to form a more complete picture. He does not stike me as a real deity, but then again he appears in both Irish and Welsh texts.
Why is it when I play your videos at 1.25 speed, your voice sounds "normal"?
What's your take on the Crom Cruach, mentioned as an idol who the irish would offer human sacrifices?
This wold be interesting , I've heard about Crom , but haven't been able to find any info about him
@@gillesderais2457 All I've heard is that there's a stone sacred to him and women were supposed to be terrified of it.
Crom cares not of your children. Crom cares only of your personal sacrifice. Crom only accepts prayers in the form of feats of willpower.
The child sacrifice thing is a lie made up by Christians to demonize Crom Cruach.
All the devas came from the same source, emanations of the Eternal. Great video.
All come from Prajapati/Buri
In regards Christian input into the old religion, the Tuatha De Danann is a name of Christian invention. Originally they were just the Tuatha De, the people of god or people of the deity. As in Christian tradition the Jews were the people of god, the early Irish needed to make a distinction between the Jews and the old Gods who were both referred to as Tuatha De. So the Church added Danann to make it clear they were referring to the old gods of [Danu].
Very weird indeed
Time to stop the genocide of the Tuatha Gaeilge
Do you mean Donn?
@J. Smith Check this page out: ansionnachfionn.com/seanchas-mythology/tuatha-de-danann/
If you scroll down a bit there is a section titled "The Name" which goes into a lot more detail than the wiki page does.
What's also worth considering, not in regards the name but the goddess Danu, is the English folklore character called Black Annis/Anna. One of the areas associated with her are the Dane Hills in Leicester which may be named after the Norse who occupied the city for a city for awhile or may have been named for a goddess with a name similar to Danu. There is also another female folklore character from Britain called Gentle Annie who may have originally been an aspect of Black Annis.
@@Drew_Thompson Are you suggesting that it should be the people of Donn rather than Danu?
It's analogous to Muintir na hÉireann, the family of Ireland.
I know ive asked this before, but could you please take the extra 30 seconds to just add the names on the screen so we can see the spelling?
Nuada, Lug, Goibniu, Luchta, Credne, Dian Cecht. Ogma, Dagda
@@FortressofLugh btw how is Goibniu pronounced? Like "goinu"? I kind of get that he has a lot of unspoken letters, but can't figure out which ones. Thx :D
Something like: Govnioo.
In old Irish, the b and m were often pronounced as a "V".
@@elgranlugus7267 It's things like that that show how Irish and Welsh developed alongside each other or came from a common British language. In Welsh the old m often became an f, in Irish it became mh, both are pronounced with a v sound. A good example is the Dumnonii tribe, their name by the early middle ages was Dyfnain(t) where the m had already become a v sound represented by f. The Anglo-Saxons referred to them as Defnas and their land as Defn which later was written as Devon.
Gaulish, Cumbric, and Pictish are also Brythonic tongues. I reckon Gaelic might have started off in Éire and spread in Albain and Mannin later.
Same thing in Norse mythology. Óðinn is a god of war, absolutely. But so is Týr. Týr is specifically the god of war and justice. Even his Roman cognate is Mars. Does that mean Óðinn is not a god of war? No, absolutely not. Just means that gods can have more than one function. They don't have to fit into our narrow framework of what gods represent individually.
Technically zeus is also a war god as he was described as giving Victory similar to odin
did Welsh and or Irish and or Briton have a deity of wealth or prosperity? Im having a heck of a time locating a name? trying to study for my nerdyness!
I am Welsh and not familiar with it. But skill and craft was valued which could be considered commerce? So if looking at the Mabinogion Lleu Llau Gyffes is an example. Also the Welsh Goddess Briant is akin to Brigantia/Brigid for Smith (metal forging).
@@kellylouisebrown4954 That is super cool and thank you!
@@Mrcool12684 no problem.
So functionally the Irish mythos is similar to Zoroastrianism with the sons of light and darkness. Effectively you have to remove the concept of Roman Syncretism from your mind when viewing them.
Though I would argue, unlike the monotheists who unite creation energy with the one god.
I would still say creation and the one god are noth the same. I firmly believe the celts were still polytgeists, even if they agreed on once source of creation
And I also think that being of the underworld or an agent of chaos didnt necessary always mean "evil". Though some certainly were. Some underworld deities aslo seem to be part of keeping the balance
@@asiag6863 monotheism and polytheism are empty words. You can call the source of the gods a 'God' or just the eternal Truth, it doesn't take away from their power because they are emanations from this core.
No it's much closer to the Vedic, as Kevin says.
@@user-ze3tq9hf9i Exactly, everything emanates from The One.
@@user-ze3tq9hf9i I disagree. They arent empty at all. But words that tell very much.
View it like a fortune 500 company. Creation energy/ creator is the owner. The gods are the board of directors. The one god is a member who left the board and attempted to tell the world only he existed.
Monotheists follow that one and only that one because that is what the one god demands. They also name him creator. pagans like me honour the others and in essence, the totality of the universe and all creation.
So you and I, we understand that we all come from one source and so honoring all things is ok and even right because to honour all honour the source.
So does this support my premise that Manannan/Manawydden Represents an older possibly even pre Indo-European diety that was subsumed Into the Tuatha de...? It's my feeling that the indo Europeans coming from originally the steppes Possess no actual sea god. And when one became necessary having reached coastal areas Either incorporated a local already extent God such as Manannan or In the Norse case Aegr. Or 2 parts of the twin horse God which is why we see Horses continually tied to gods of the sea.
Yeah, this is also applied to Poseidon. He wasn't a in origin a sea god, because the proto hellenic thedes came from the steppes.
There is also Nechtan who is a possible cognate with Neptune.
Maybe sea gods could be interpreted by steppe people as an extension of their steppe gods, being that both environments are vast, open stretches of territory that are exposed and relatively flat/featureless under the heavens and sun. Now instead of horses and wagons to thrive and expand and mingle with other peoples, you need a ship. I dunno.
You missed one... maybe you covered it, I've been listening while gardening. Arawyn and Rhiannon.
Theyre welsh
Arawn king of the Otherworld. Yep both him and Rhiannon are Welsh Deities
So basically the seven sons of Ethniu are similar to the seven sons of Aditi in Vedic tradition in which case the source of light or Supreme Sun God is Vishnu???
Whom is the god/goddess of hunting?
That's debatable.
Nuada and Lugh might be gods of hunting.
@@mercianthane2503 Lugh is a God of sky, light, storm, lightning, rain, war, order, oath (Iranic Mithra, Vedic Mitra-Indra, Greek Zeus)
Nuada is a god of sky, waters, law, Justice and truth(Vedic Varuna)
None of them are hunting deities.
@@McAulay99 I thought Lugh was also the god of the sun :0
@@lasilo2017 Lugh is likened to the sun and brings forth it's light but he is distinct from the sun. Celtic male sun god is Bres.
@@McAulay99 ¡Oh thank you so much! I’ll write down this information inmediatly
Suns, planets and plasma figures... the reason the Romans always identified others Gods as alternates of their own Gods is because they were just different stories about the same events occuring in the sky.
It's amusing how dedicated every religion these days are to some cult of one, while at the same time going to battle for diversity. A very diverse hive mind cult we're building, eh? 🤣
is that... minecraft music... i hear in the background?
No it's Skyrim because it's always fucking Skyrim he hasn't changed the damn background music in FOREVER.
Slightly poor respect for presentation.
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