Consciousness and its Physical Headset | Donald Hoffman Lecture
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Donald Hoffman is Professor Emeritus of Cognitive Sciences at the University of California, Irvine with joint appointments in the Department of Philosophy, the Department of Logic and Philosophy of Science, and the School of Computer Science. He received his Ph.D. from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He is an author of over 120 scientific papers and three books, including the bestseller “The Case Against Reality: Why Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes.”
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Space and time are fundamental in our lives even if they aren't working for physics, maybe we will find a way to replace those things in our reality. The observer independed fundamental reality is never directly accesible anyway, we are building a place we can never visit.
A. Why are we here?
B. What are we supposed to be doing?
C. How do we do that?
If you can't answer these questions then your theory has no more function than any other
@@Nonconceptuality
A. is the Cause-Les Cause, We have always been Here,
the Only Real Steady Point, in Existence, Eternity.
B. The Life-Desire is Motor of Life, the Compass is
the Hunger- and Satisfaction-Principles.
C. Our Thinking is Printer of Reality, Feeling is Window,
Contrast-Princip and Perspective-Princip, make
Feeling into Sensing, all experiences, is Feeling-Experience
First Hand.
Rainbow picture our Consciousness, Basic-Abilities,
and Basic-Developing-Circuit, a range of
Creator-Principles make it, 'come alive'.
The Eternal Life, have No meaning, No name,
General Purpose, is Life-Performance, Experience
Creation and Development of our Eternal Consciousness.
It all 'rest' in the Developing-Spiral and Cosmic Order.
Our Day-Consciousness is the Life-side,
Stuff-side is a Motion-Ocean, both is Motion.
When In-Put become Out-Put, is the Point
of Turning the Energies.
Life isn't physical in it Self,
the Motion (-Principle) is the most
Precious Sign of Life.
@@drtevinnaidu Please ask if he had considered string theory as mathematics of consciousness. We started questioning fundamental reality in about consciousness with quantum mechanics whereas spacetime (which is doomed) in general relativity is entirely observer dependent. It's natural and no doubt that the math that unifies the two, which after 100 years of string theory is the only game in town, is about consciousness. The fact is we don't understand what consciousness is and consciousness could be (is definitely) deeper than what we think. I am absolutely certain that string theory is describing Yogacara Buddhism which is extremely complex and hard to grasp. Would he be open enough to hear me out?
By the way, not only spacetime is doomed but physics is also doomed. Quantum mechanics is about extremely small, non local, spacetime is fixed. General relativity is about extremely large, local, spacetime is dynamical. The two can't be integrated. Physics is a combination of the two like "a couple of family" but the two is never a union of "a couple of family". Anything in the universe has to be explained by both separately - but when explained together then there will be infinity of black holes and everything will be evaporated. Even something as simple as this physics can't resolve and hence physics is doomed. String theory which unifies the two which after almost 60 nobody understands is not about physics but about consciousness. Please ask Don what he thinks about this. Thanks.
I’ve had psychic visions, at times, since childhood - through space and time - and have seen into things before they manifested decades later. Including seeing world events ahead. I've even had experiences where I have seen into past events, as if they were my own, from what appear to be past lives. I've physically gone to other countries to visit places I remember from those lives I see through. I've seen into the realms of spirit and have had experiences of seeing from the realms of spirit. From all that I have experienced, it seems to me. True consciousness is spiritually based from our souls which are beyond the space of time. Our spirits resonate through spaces of time and manifest physicalities to incarnate these minds and bodies within. Though we are 'alive' before we incarnate in these bodies and are 'alive' when we leave these bodies. How conscious one is within the process of all that depends on the clarity of light within their spirits frequency.
Im following, but.... "geometry outside spacetime"...?? Isnt space necessesary for doing geometry???
Space is Not doomed, every child know what time-space is.
@@holgerjrgensen2166 Did I say "space is doomed"? What are you talking about?
Spacetime refers to the 3 dimensions + time
@@Jay-kk3dv The three dimensions, is
Micro- Medio- and Macro-Cosmos,
Time is 'the effect' of Travel,
'Shadow of Motion'.
3D space is one aspect of geometry as a whole.
This breakthrough in rigorous Science is both breathtaking and truly logical
Until we interpret the physical meaning of the DIGITS, with which we calculate in our minds (NOT the electrons of the BITs in the chips we manufacture), all the phenomena we describe with mathematical formulae would remain deceptive.
Remember, none of the particles (except THE PHOTON) in the Standard Model of Particles has any direct relevance whatsoever to our perceptions, while there are 5 more senses (including BREATHING as the common sense ~ common to all 3 entities: PLANTS, ANIMALS and HUMANS) unrepresented by any unique particle.
Neither are the feelings of needs (hunger, fear, pain,...) and satisfaction particle physically interpreted.
Nature can't be so stupid to provide us 6 senses and feelings, if all the rest can be derived as functions of just one sense perception: SIGHT.
This is the reason why human race in its entire history, from antiquity to present day, from Thales of Miletus to Stephen Hawking (and still continuing), is yet to derive the mathematical model for the mechanism of even a single natural phenomenon that could PREDICT accurately when that phenomenon may harm life function, let alone PREVENT such ~ which SHOULD, in fact, be the sole purpose cum criterion of proof af all knowledge.
How does anything happen without time? Do conscious agents as fundamental blocks of reality need time?
We should think of consciousness as a sort of singularity as important as the neutron or a supermassive black hole.
Bit of stretch? Maybe. Maybe not.
Hoffman’s ideas are quite ingenious but I detect a few problems: 1) if his argument is an evolutionary one, such that evolution wouldn’t select for veridical perception of reality we have the problem that the only reason we believe that evolution happened is by observing it in the world, and that’s not, in his theory, a valid inference since our consciousness doesn’t give us access to the truth of “physical” reality. The grounding for his argument argument seems compromised. If evolution happened, we couldn’t know it, because evolution is selecting against direct reality perception! 2) Hoffman just completely mischaracterizes IIT in regards to its ability to describe why the quality of our experiences have the character they do as opposed to some other character. Describing how the shapes of integrated information delineate the phenomenological character of the experiences associated with them is a central part of the theory, though very complicated. Maybe he thinks the theory fails at this effort, but it’s, in any event, not something IIT ignores. Far from it.
I wish good luck to Donald Hoffman and Nima Arkani Hamed, I know the importance of scientific proof, but I prefer the interpretation of Kabbalah plus Panpsychism and Panentheism by Hyman Schipper which explains the Hard Problem of Consciousness and is more accessible and palatable to me and that is fine beyond Space/Time, even considering that Hyman Schipper's Kabbalah cannot be tested.
Fascinating talk! My book ("Origins of Life's Sensoria") attempts to explain many of these basic concepts.
Thank you! I'll have a look out for your book.
10^-33 33 33 33 33 3️⃣3️⃣🥉🥉
has anybody seen a podcast with one of these high energy theoretical physicists ?
I absolutely admire his vision, thinking, and effort in building a theory of consciousness with mathematics, his insight in spacetime which is doomed, and his effort must have been against the orthodox of physics. However, he could have gone further to state as the result of spacetime is doomed there's no physics. His name will certainly be on history books of consciousness, science, humanity and so on as he is the first who tried to build maths on consciousness. I would like to give him all best wishes but that is against my knowledge and I would be hypocritical as I know he is certainly on the wrong path as that mathematics is string theory and he has oversimplified consciousness.
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Check out the work of physicist Fredrico Faggin. He actually experienced consciousness outside of his body.
Here's my chat with Federico: ua-cam.com/video/MSn4t6fP_dc/v-deo.html
I wish DH gave us something new I feel I could name every point he makes and has made for past 9 years in support of his theory Every podcast feel like listening to the same song sung in the same way Very believable but limited
I am convinced of simulation cos it just feels like one
Consciousness living a mind wake. There wouldn't be a universe if there wasn't mind.
Please have John Macken on the show.
Lol...10^-33 cm isn't that small, he says. I wish he would embrace complexity as a source of emergence. Scale matters and explains his issues.
Okay, so:
A. Why are we here?
B. What are we supposed to be doing?
C. How do we do that?
My theory provides the answers to these questions, and in doing so it reveals how EVERY0NE has been wrong THE WHOLE TIME.
But for some reason I am not being interviewed on this channel. Why not?
Watch my latest two videos and then let's have a talk. These people are content creators first. My interview will render all subsequent interviews irrelevant. Which is the end of his (old, conventional) content
I have the final concluding theory and there are VERY few who are Spiritually ready to SEE what I am showing.
I checked out one of your videos. You appear to be a narcissist in a severe dunning kreuger nosedive. You remind me of Terrence Howard.
you suck. 🤣
What is the name of your podcast?
Could you kindly share the link to your videos you’ve mentioned here please ? ✨
Dr. Hoffman. I am an admirer of you and your work, but could you please rethink your use of the word “doomed” regarding time and space? Consider substituting the concept “levels of abstraction.” For most scientific questions and engineering problems working with three dimensions of space and one of time is the correct level of abstraction. Just because there might be a deeper level does not mean that spacetime is “doomed.” This language is confusing, misleading, and ultimately undermines your credibility. The principles of biology are not “doomed” because at a deeper level of abstraction all biology is a function of hadrons and bosons. Ridiculous.
Chill. You know what he means.
It would be better to say it is not fundamental rather than doomed.
oh god not Hoffman again
@hiker-uy1bi Yeah the circuit just keeps going around, like a dog chasing its tail. They must be having fun, but they sure aren't getting anywhere
hoffman comes off as confused, enraptured by nonsense. :(
Interesting. Say more
Not all, his repeating the same model of consciouness, consciouness stuides as repeated through out history, specfically from the Wisdom of sages, mystics and saints from both and east and west, as as far back 3000 years in the east! Those stuck in physcalist paradigm are no different then those stuck in religious dogma, stuck in a box in a corner of space-time ignoring all the evidence that may sink their beliefs, cherry picking what keeps them in their little space. Ignorance on a massive scale.
Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean he’s the confused one.
@@RRR1-z9c I understand it. Spacetime isn’t real bc the Planck length isn’t the smallest scale & contemporary physics breaks down. That’s why spacetime is a headset we wear.
That is confused thinking on Hoffman’s part. I understand it, & it is confused.